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<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [0:03] Hey, entrepreneurs, my name is Felix. I&#8217;m the host of the &#8220;Shopify Masters&#8221; podcast that is found at shopifymasters.org. Every single Monday, I&#8217;ll put out a podcast interview with a successful Shopify entrepreneur or e‑commerce expert to give you inspiration, motivation, and actionable tips to increase your traffic and sales so your store can generate the sales you need to live the life you want.</p>
[0:25] In this podcast, you&#8217;ll hear from an entrepreneur that got featured on &#8220;Us Weekly&#8221; and on the Red Carpet while she&#8217;s still a student at UCLA. For this podcast, you&#8217;ll learn, what are showrooms, how they work, how they can be critical to your success, how to get into a showroom, why you should set up a gift guide in your store, and why your business might need a pop‑up shop.</p>
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[1:28] On today&#8217;s podcast, I&#8217;m joined by Marrin Costello from marrincostello.com, that&#8217;s M‑A‑R‑R‑I‑N‑C‑O‑S‑T‑E‑L‑L‑O.com. Marrin designs and sells signature pieces for the ultramodern sophisticated women, and is based out of Los Angeles, California. Welcome, Marrin.</p>
<p><strong>Marrin Costello</strong>:  [1:44] Thank you, Felix. It&#8217;s great to be here.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [1:46] Great. Tell us a little more about your story, and what you sell?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [1:49] I grew up in the Bay Area in San Francisco. I received a bead kit when I was seven for Christmas. Immediately, became infatuated with all things sparkly, shiny, and ultimately the process of designing and creating beads. Back then, it was plastic, yarn, and supplies of that nature.</p>
[2:10] As I continued to run out of supplies, I quickly discovered bead stores, craft fairs, antique fairs, vintage shops, and other places where I could either get ready made pieces or places where I could get old jewelry or other supplies, take it apart, and then rework it as pieces.</p>
[2:30] Growing up, it was just a hobby. I would give people things for birthdays and just because, and eventually people wouldn&#8217;t accept them for free. That ultimately became the ultimate catalyst of my business. I would trade people a quarter, 50 cents, or a dollar, whatever it was when I was still in the single digits for my jewelry.</p>
[2:54] Growing up, I brought my pieces around to my dance studio, and I would talk to my girlfriends there. I brought it around to boutiques in the area and also when I traveled with my family, got pieces into boutiques in high school and then in college, my pieces were featured on American Idol, on the red carpet.</p>
[3:13] Shortly thereafter, I received calls from big PR agencies, marketing firms, stylists, and people in those industries. I immediately registered my business, didn&#8217;t know what to call it, and thought I would just title it my name, thought it wasn&#8217;t going to change any time soon and that ultimately began my formal business that is now my full‑time venture.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [3:36] Interesting. You were doing this on the side as a hobby. Did you ever think that it would become a business or did it kind of just come out of nowhere where people wanted to pay you for your jewelry, and then you got all these amazing PR?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [3:51] It came out of nowhere. When I was around 10 years old, my parents helped me enroll in a local arts and crafts fair, where I sold my pieces outside of my elementary school girlfriend&#8217;s mom&#8217;s store. I didn&#8217;t think anything of the process. My parents are entrepreneurs, they recently retired, but they had a restaurant, bar, and hotel for over 40 years.</p>
[4:21] The process of creating a business just came second nature to me. I didn&#8217;t think anything of it. It truly was an organic process.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [4:31] Yeah, you have a lot of entrepreneuralism in your blood in your family. Can you recall any specific lessons that you learned from your parents growing up that you do apply to your business today?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [4:41] I was not raised in a nine to five type of setting. If there was work to be done, then it didn&#8217;t matter what time of the day it was or what day it was, whether it was a weekend or a weekday. You got the work done. I think that has truly influenced my drive, my passion, and ultimately my work ethic.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [5:00] Yeah, definitely, the hustle of the non stop 24 x 7 business. When you decided that this is something that makes sense to pursue as a business, did you have a goal that you set in mind on that very first day where you were committed to turning it into an actual business? What was the original dream that you had?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [5:21] The truth of it is that there never really was a long‑term dream growing up of getting my pieces in department stores, in getting my pieces on the red carpet. It never really donned on me being from Northern California in a small town. Those just seemed not unattainable, but so far removed from my reality that I didn&#8217;t even think that was an option.</p>
[5:45] Slowly, but surely after I moved down to LA for college and then stayed these things just happened by referral and word of mouth. Again organically, now that&#8217;s my reality, which is fantastic.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [6:01] Yeah, it is. You said that it kind of just grew organically. Do you remember how you got your first 10 sales? Was it just you handing things out and people asking you? Were they referrals from friends who&#8217;re asking to purchase more from you? What did you do to get your first initial sales?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [6:20] My first sale started when I was 10 at the arts and crafts fair. There, I had a physical area, that I had a booth, that was very natural for me to sit there and people would come up to the booth and I would exchange products for payment. In Los Angeles, while I was a student, people would buy things off of me.</p>
[6:45] I remember, before I registered my business formally, I would just make pieces in my dorm room and during the week when I didn&#8217;t have class or I wasn&#8217;t studying, on the weekends, and people would stop me for my pieces. I also interned at a PR firm in Westwood. There was a lot of conversation about my jewelry.</p>
[7:05] Even still, I was very focused on gaining the proper accolades to make sure that my resume was built up to apply for a job, because those are the natural steps of going to high school, going to college, building a resume, and then getting a job. It never really dawned on me that it would be a full‑time venture but it certainly is.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [7:30] At what point did you think that you would rather pursue working for yourself, rather than getting out of college and then just joining the regular workforce. Did that ever cross your mind that you would work nine to five or were you strictly going to school so that you could learn things to apply to your business?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [7:48] Going to college was honestly the next step in my academic career. I went to a private high school in Northern California so the question was always, &#8220;Where are you going to college, not are you going to college?&#8221; After being in college and getting a lot of amazing internships, I was referred to an event production company my senior year, where I started doing freelance fashion show production.</p>
[8:15] I developed a really fantastic relationship and rapport with the two women that still own the company and worked with them between two and three years out after graduating college. They, while being my bosses at this company, were so supportive of my jewelry business. They purchased pieces from me, and I got so much amazing exposure with their support, with my brand, even though being their employee was my number one goal.</p>
[8:47] Fast forward to about six months ago, I went to one of my bosses and said, &#8220;I&#8217;m ready to take the next step. I would like more ownership and responsibilities with your company. What can I do to advance this , that and the other.&#8221; The long and the short of it is that she said, &#8220;I&#8217;m not giving you any more responsibility. You need to focus on your jewelry business. You need to figure out exactly what you want.&#8221;</p>
[9:10] It truly was her, my old boss, who was also an amazing entrepreneur and businesswomen saying to me that I was ready, like she could see that I was ready even though I wasn&#8217;t necessarily at a place to recognize that I was, but long behold, I am. [laughs]
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [9:28] Yeah, that&#8217;s some great direction from her. I do want to talk a little bit later about mentorship because you did mention that in a previous interview about your experience there. I want to talk about your experience in PR. You&#8217;ve been featured on blogs and magazines like US Weekly and like you were saying before, on the red carpet.</p>
[9:49] When you were working the job at a PR firm, can you pinpoint to any inside knowledge, not necessarily inside knowledge. Things that maybe people on the outside don&#8217;t realize about the PR business that you now can apply to your own business and how you can use PR to really drive your traffic or drive sales?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [10:12] When I was interning at the PR firm, it was a PR firm and also a showroom. They did PR for fashion brands, but also other types of brands. In the fashion sector, I learned how to, with the help of one of my mentors, run a showroom.</p>
[10:32] I learned what it meant for a stylist or a celebrity or an event, contact to come in and borrow clothes from the showroom or accessories or shoes or whatever and then take that to their client where the client would then choose what they wanted to wear and then that respective stylist or contact would bring the clothing back.</p>
[10:56] You just have this fascination with the idea of brand samples, and having them being loaned out temporarily. Having that be the means of exposure for a brand. What people probably don&#8217;t know about PR and event production, and a lot of industries that are under the overarching umbrella of the fashion industry is that to the naked eye, they&#8217;re very glorified.</p>
[11:23] There&#8217;s a lot of hard work that goes into all the different facets of the fashion industry, and a lot of them are physical. I remember being on my feet for 18 hours a day, for multiple days in a row, working events, or working sales, or what have you.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [11:40] Can you explain what is a showroom, and how do you get your product, your clothing or accessories into a showroom?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [11:46] Sure. A showroom is a venue that houses a lot of different brands&#8230;normally, a lot of different brands within their physical space. It&#8217;s essentially a brick and mortar, but not for people to come and purchase product, but for people to come and borrow product or look at product from different brands if they are.</p>
[12:08] For example a magazine company, or a celebrity stylist, or someone related to getting the respective brands exposed. There is usually a front desk, and it&#8217;s set by appointment only normally. All of the pieces are displayed as if it were retail space, beautifully displayed with signage, and with top clothes and products that are tagged to appear appealing for the clients to come in and then take them for a red carpet event, for example.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [12:44] I see, so an agency or stylist will get products from the showroom or borrow them, and bring them to photo shoots, or to the red carpet. How do you get your product into that? How do you break into it?</p>
[12:57] It seems like, as somebody from the outside that has a product, and they&#8217;ve heard about what you&#8217;ve done, and you&#8217;ve been on the red carpet, they might not even consider that as a possibility. How possible, I guess, is it to get in the showroom, and then eventually have your products worn by celebrities?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [13:17] I definitely think it&#8217;s possible for any brand that has a strong identity. It&#8217;s certainly not difficult to find companies, especially with Google AdWords these days.</p>
[13:31] There are plenty of showrooms. There are an uncountable amount of showrooms, especially in Los Angeles and New York, so my first suggestion would be to go to Google to figure out which showrooms carry which brands, and also see what brands are similar to yours, so that you&#8217;d know exactly what kind of showroom that you&#8217;re looking for when you&#8217;re researching.</p>
[13:56] In terms of getting an appointment, so long as there is a budget for PR and marketing, and you have all of your ducks in a row in terms of a website and product, and production, and fulfillment. It&#8217;s not something that should be too difficult in terms of getting a meeting with a showroom.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [14:17] I see, so there&#8217;s a fee associated with being in a showroom?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [14:21] Yes.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [14:22] How much of a budget would you recommend somebody have for a PR before they pursue something, like getting a product into a showroom?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [14:29] PR companies, they arrange in their rights. Depending on what your budget is, they can offer you different services, so that would definitely be a question for the respective showroom or PR agency.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [14:42] Is it even worth pursuing if you have a few hundred, or you&#8217;re talking about thousands of dollars before it makes sense?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [14:48] I would say probably closer to the thousands, again, that&#8217;s just a number that I&#8217;m pulling out of thin air.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [14:54] Yeah, sure. That makes sense. I was saying before, you got a lot of great mentions and PR on blogs and magazines. Did the showrooms get you those mentions as well, or was there a different technique that you used to get featured on blogs and magazines?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [15:11] I interned at a showroom, but my brand has never specifically been with the showroom, or it isn&#8217;t yet, rather. All of my features and press relationship have just been either referral, word of mouth, or from collaborations, or connecting with people through social media.</p>
[15:32] I think that social media is a huge tool, and I have developed a lot of great business relationships and personal relationships in the fashion industry, because of social media.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [15:46] Can you explain how the collaborations work, and how they help you get PR?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [15:51] Sure. It&#8217;s just a matter of cross‑promoting, so when I do collaborations with other brands, we make sure to create a marketing strategy, and then device the means of promoting on our own, our respective platforms into our respective contacts, and that is kind of how we approach.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [16:14] That makes sense. You mentioned before that you&#8230;or just now, that you use social media access to, or to meet a network with influencers. When you have an influencer that you have in mind that you want to connect with, what is the best way to get their attention, and to have them listen to your story, and to check out your brand?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [16:36] To this point, it feels like I&#8217;ve never aggressively approached any brands or social media influencers. Everything has just happened by word of mouth, or just from connecting on social media. I feel social media encourages us to explore other people, or other brands, or other what else,the other things in the world.</p>
[17:00] Just from other respective follows and comments, for lack of better terms, I&#8217;ve connected on a professional level with people, and we&#8217;ve been working together. I&#8217;ve never really approached a particular brand thus far. Everyone thus far has visited our platforms, and then contacted us.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [17:23] Sometimes, that&#8217;s the best kind of relationship to begin, rather than having all those cold leads and cold calls you have. You created a brand that&#8217;s attracting the right kind of attention, so it sounds like your approach is just to have a great, solid brand that&#8217;s very clear.</p>
[17:41] I think it&#8217;s [inaudible 17:42] beyond in the community, and over time, people will just gravitate towards you, people and brands that are interested in your products, that align with your vision or your lifestyle, slowly, over time, gravitate towards you. Does that sound like the process that you&#8217;ve taken?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [17:58] Again, I feel like everything has been organic, so it&#8217;s not necessarily an approach, but yes, that is what has happened [laughs] .</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [18:05] Yeah, it sound like [laughs] . I guess if we&#8217;d look back on it, it definitely looks like it connects a lot more than probably in the moment. You also have experience with pop‑up shops. Can you explain to the audience that might not be familiar with the pop‑up shops? What are they, and how do you get started with a pop‑up shop?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [18:24] Sure. A pop‑up shop is essentially a temporary brick and mortar, where a brand or a collaboration of brands will erect a retail space for a set amount of time, thus offering face‑to‑face interaction with the brands, and allow people to purchase in person, and see products before they go to the online shops.</p>
[18:49] I was referred to my most resent pop‑up shop experience through one of my clients. Her husband was connected to the the retail space, I met them in person at a different trunk show that I had one of my other retailers. We connected and created this amazing pop‑up shop in a matter of days.</p>
[19:12] That&#8217;s how my San Francisco pop‑up shop happened, I worked very quickly and again I have a background in event production so that was kind of a no brain er for me to do frankly.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [19:25] What is the biggest benefit of having a pop‑up shop for, let&#8217;s say, an accessory or a clothing brand? I would say face to face interaction ,you can only get something from a two dimensional screen when you are buying jewelery or clothing or shoes, but when you see a product and are able to feel it, put it on, see how it works with your body and see what your taste is.</p>
[19:51] That&#8217;s when the magic happens. My clients, I have, because I am from the Bay Area, and the pop‑up shop is in San Fransisco, but I live in Los Angeles. A lot of my clients really loved coming to see the new collections in person.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [20:04] Normally, because you have the background of event planning, if you don&#8217;t have that background could you just approach a store instead of a pop‑up shop or do you usually just have to work through an agency to help you out ?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [20:15] There are plenty of agencies to help facilitate those relationships. But would encourage anyone with a brand to approach another company obviously in a professional and respectful way. I can&#8217;t speak to all the retailers and their capacity to allow for a pop‑up shop, but if the relationship is there and the opportunity is there I think that the brands, I would encourage a brand to do that</p>
[20:44] I see that you have pop‑up shops coming up for this spring. What would you do differently around this time around compared to last time based on what you&#8217;ve learned through your first experiences with pop‑up shops ?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [21:00] My last experiences with the pop‑up shop was during the holiday season and it happened very rapidly withing the holiday season. The opportunity and the execution happened shortly there after or within the craziness of the holidays. Now that there is a little bit of time before my spring pop season there is time to do a lot of outreach and I did a lot of field work when I was in San Fransisco last.</p>
[21:31] I decided to debut and show case new pieces that gear specifically towards that market.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [21:40] It sounds like what you are saying is that you just can&#8217;t just open a pop‑up shop and just wait around for people to show up. You have to really put the marketing effort into driving people to physical location, and even going as far as doing a lot of research at a time to make sure that the pieces you have on display make sense for the kind of foot traffic that would come through.</p>
[22:04] Are there any kind of experiences or costs that people may not be aware of when you set up a pop‑up shop that&#8217;s important to keep in mind for their budgeting?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [22:15] Sure! Packaging to either wrap the product or send people home with them. There are also credit card machines, there are cleaning supplies, there are display purchases, creating a retail space that goes far beyond just bringing your product and setting it up and if you have nothing to set it up on then that poses a problem.</p>
[22:42] Potential help, if you have other employees working for you in any marketing expenses then you wish to use, luckily, social media is very helpful but there are also other avenues that might cost money.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [22:57] Yeah, I want to talk about you actual website. One cool thing that I saw that I really don&#8217;t see too often, but this seems like it makes a lot of sense is the gift guide section of your website. Can you talk a little bit more about how you set it up ,not how you set it up technically but how did you know to have the gift guide section on your website?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [23:17] Sure. I work very closely with my clients and just based upon their purchases and what they choose to purchase for other people other than themselves, I created this guide of best sellers and broke if down by price.</p>
[23:36] Often people would come to me and say, &#8220;Am getting a gift for my aunt and my budget is $200 or $30 or $50 whatever it may be. I kind of helped facilitate that conversation in an online capacity in case I wasn&#8217;t physically there.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [23:56] Do you find that the gift guide drives a good amount of sales or people just come in and shop around, browse around first? How has the gift guide been for your business?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [24:08] You can find out it has been great. It&#8217;s been really great and I definitely think it has helped people gauge what their budget is for gifts because everyone does have budgets for gifts. I mean a lot of people do have a budget for gifting so it is something that is just on the cusp of $50‑$100 bracket they can kind of see with my brand what they would get with the $50 budget and then with the $100 budget</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [24:35] Yeah that makes sense. You also credit some of your success to the mentors you&#8217;ve had. You were talking earlier about how your previous employer really, kind of gave you the nudge to take the jump and and get into working for yourself and start your own business.</p>
[24:53] How do you find mentors that are willing to lend a hand or offer advice and they were kind of where you were maybe a couple of years ago?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [25:04] Well, I think that every relationship is different. For me, I think that my previous bosses really recognized my work ethic and the pride that I took in me, works that I did for them and they respected that. I think that by them being fantastic people and them recognizing the hard work that I put into their company, they were very encouraging of me pursuing my brand.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [25:35] What&#8217;s the biggest benefit gotten out of a mentor ship ?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [25:39] Advice, priceless advice. My mentors are not just my confidants when it comes to my business but also my personal confidants. They are my friends, I consider them LA family and ma still very close with them.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [25:52] That is something that I do here a lot about having mentors that they give a lot of advice or great advice because they are using a position where you were. Basically they have already experienced the kind of trajectory you are currently on. How do you now what to ask your mentors because you have this kind of mentor ship relationship open? I think that a lot of concern mentors have is that they don&#8217;t want to bother their mentors unnecessarily too much and they don&#8217;t want to waste their time.</p>
[26:27] How do you know why should be approaching your mentors within? How do you know when you should just kind of figure it out yourself?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [26:35] I think that it&#8217;s great to have more than one mentor so that one person is not overwhelmed by all of your questions but I also think that that&#8217;s a relationship that you need to feel out on your own. Most people who take the entrepreneurial, most people that I know who have taken the entrepreneurial stuff and have done their business full time have made it a full time venture are quiet savvy and are able to answer simple questions but, when it comes to their respective business asking a little bit of more advanced questions or are not too difficult for them to ask because there may not be other ways of figuring it out.</p>
[27:18] Most entrepreneurs I know are trouble shooters so they like to figure out if there is a way for them to find the answer on their own or use the Internet to their advantage, or read about case studies, I am just offering examples.</p>
[27:37] I think that once you are willing and fully ready to take this this step to be an entrepreneur the questions that you have are very relevant and important to your immediate tasks that finding the questions to answer are that difficult, because they are right in‑front of you.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [27:54] Speaking of social media and how you use it, I was looking at your Pinterest. You are very active in there and have a good number of followers and a ton of pins. Can you talk a little bit more about your approach to using Pinterest and how you use it to grow your business?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [28:11] Sure. It&#8217;s a fantastic time sucker first of all so I have no problems hours on end on Pinterest. It really helped me, I&#8217;m definitely a visual person so it helps me visually categorize either the different things am looking at or the different projects I have going on, or, having conversations with other brands and other people based on what&#8217;s going on in your in your head.</p>
[28:42] I kind of use pint‑rest obviously as exposures to the brand but also, a way to do my own research and have conversations with other brands.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [28:52] That makes sense. you find that all off‑‑ that you do get traffic from your pinch rest page to the store ?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [28:58] Yes I do. Social media has really been great in terms of exposure for the brand and for clients.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [29:06] Do you find that‑‑ is social media the biggest driver of your traffic or there something else like PR or ? What brings the most kind of visitors to your store?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [29:16] I think its two folds. At most I would say over three quarters of my traffic comes directly so that&#8217;s either people goggling me or typing in my website because of word of mouth or what have you. But, I also think that social media has been fantastic for my brand along side having faced time with my clients because they do a lot of trunk shows with my retailers and I do have personal relationships with most of my retailers and other brands that I work with. That&#8217;s really important for me.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [29:49] What about, actually crediting these products? How do you credit all your entire catalog? Are you crediting all by yourself or are you getting them manufactured?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [30:00] It&#8217;s three folds, so it&#8217;s me. I still make a lot of the pieces and I also design every single piece, I do have production team with me that also make the pieces and then we also outsource pieces that require equipment or other more advanced skills to other production houses. They&#8217;re all in Los Angeles</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [30:24] How did you figure out things like pricing ? Because the products range in pricing, how do you know how much to charge for different items in your store?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [30:34] First and foremost it&#8217;s the cost of the materials themselves. Then the intricacy of each piece and from there we build the whole sale price and then the retail price.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [30:48] When you&#8217;re running the store, do you have a team of people working with your or is it pretty much a CEO one woman show?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [30:57] The store meaning pop‑up store or my online shops?</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [30:59] The online store?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [31:00] The online store, still the online store is me and I have an amazing team of interns that I offer mentor‑ship and school credit too, I have a director of sales that helps as well, and then‑‑</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [31:13] I didn&#8217;t want to interrupt but, the internship program that you&#8217;re talking about, that is something that I&#8217;ve heard from a couple of other entrepreneurs. How do you start up something like that? To get local students to help out with running your store?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [31:29] I was asked, this is my 3rd year being asked by UCLA to give a speech for their career night, so, I have, just by telling my story and offering questions or mentioning the internship program I&#8217;ve had an amazing response and have worked with some fantastic young women to date.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [31:53] So you are saying that interns, you have a director to foot for what?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [31:58] For my wholesale account</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [32:00] And are you using a lot of tools and applications to help you run your business?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [32:04] Yes, I think that Shopify has been hugely instrumental in changing my business. Changing the face of it and getting everything online and I think that all the tools that Shopify has to offer, have been huge.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [32:20] Do you know of any applications off of the top of your head that you use that you have installed onto your store?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [32:26] Yes, I love the application called Kit. It has helped tremendously with my marking. Their product allows me to directly engage with my clients and customers and I love their customer service too.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [32:45] Can you explain how you use Kit or what it does?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [32:49] Kit allows its users to see the back‑end of all the social media platforms and other platforms like Shopify or Etsy, for example. It allows you to see who is engaging with your brand and then from there you can create strategic marketing programs and to then reach those people. So it&#8217;s cyclical.</p>
[33:17] It &#8216;s a program that is curated specifically for each brand. I mean the options of what you can do on Kit are vast, but I have been able to directly have conversations with my direct clients and also clients that fit within that mold through Kit.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [33:37] Yeah, it sounds like it helps you a lot with your social media. Do you use any other apps through the Shopify app store?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [33:44] Yes, I love the Shipping Easy and Pixel Printer. I think that the printing apps have been really helpful with streamlining the fulfillment process.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [33:56] Yeah, that makes sense. It sounds like you have a team with all these applications. It also, frees up a lot of your time to focus on designing the jewelry and actually get the products made. What are the future plans for your store and for your business? What can we expect for 2015?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [34:15] So many things Felix. There&#8217;s always so many&#8230;.I am excited to release my blog, which is going to be called, &#8220;The Jewelry Mixologist&#8221;. It&#8217;s going to help me teach my clients how to style their jewelry. Oftentimes I will get clients that come to me for gifts and whatnot and they will say, for example, that we love your product and this is perfect for so‑and‑so, but we don&#8217;t necessarily know how to style them ourselves so we will pass on buying things for ourselves.</p>
[34:52] We love it for other people. And I will often have people come up to me and say you know I never would have thought to put that combination of jewelry together, but it looks great. So it&#8217;s kind of going to be my outlet to encourage people to accessorize and teach them how to combine different things.</p>
[35:06] New products and pieces that are already in their existing accessories collections. I am also looking to release a men&#8217;s line and a dog line. So that will be very exciting.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [35:19] Nice. Thanks so much Marrin. So where can folks follow your story. I know there is the website for the store M‑A‑R‑R‑I‑N‑C‑O‑S‑T‑E‑L‑L‑O.com. Where else can they go to follow along with you?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [35:32] Twitter and Instagram. My handle is my first and last name together, M‑A‑R‑R‑I‑N‑C‑O‑S‑T‑E‑L‑L‑O, along with Pinterest, Tumbler, and Facebook.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [35:45] Awesome. I will make sure to link all that stuff up and let the show know so that folks can follow along. Do you have a URL yet for the blog that you are creating?</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [35:55] The blog will be attached to the website so everyone can go to marrincostello.com when the blog launches and there will be a click for a link to it there.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [36:03] Awesome. Thanks so much Marrin.</p>
<p><strong>Marrin</strong>:  [36:04] Thank you Felix.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [36:05] Thanks for listening to Marrin&#8217;s story and always, a big thank you to our sponsors, Forewards and Recharge. Forewards makes getting customer referrals and word of mouth for your store easy by rewarding your existing customers for helping you find new customers.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [background music] [0:00] Hey, entrepreneurs. My name is Felix and I&#8217;m the host of the &#8220;Shopify Masters&#8221; podcast and founder of shopifymasters.org.</p>
[0:09] Every single Monday, I put out a podcast interview with a successful Shopify entrepreneur or e‑commerce expert to give you inspiration, motivation and actual tips to increase your traffic and sales so your store can generate the sales you need to live the life you want.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [0:25] Did you know that consumers are four times more likely to buy when referred by a friend? &#8220;Forewards&#8221; means getting customer referrals and word of mouth for your store easy by rewarding your customers for helping you find new leads.</p>
[0:38] Start your free 30‑day trial today at forewardsapp.com. That&#8217;s F‑O‑R‑E‑W‑A‑R‑D‑S‑A‑P‑P.com or search &#8220;Forewards&#8221; in the Shopify app store.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [0:50] Today&#8217;s podcast is with an entrepreneur that works two jobs to support his fledgling yarn business.</p>
[0:55] In this podcast, you&#8217;ll learn the number one tip to writing email subject lines that will get your customers to open your emails, how to use five dollars to grow your Facebook audience, and, at the end, our guest reveals the number one change she made to the organization of her store and increased her conversion rate.</p>
[1:12] On today&#8217;s podcast, I&#8217;m joined by Nicole Snow from &#8220;Darn Good Yarn.&#8221; That&#8217;s darngoodyarn.com. Darn Good Yarn was started in 2008 with the simple mission of providing phenomenal quality fibers to enthusiasts while helping the women of Nepal and India become autonomous and self‑reliant.</p>
[1:28] I really like, I believe, it&#8217;s your Instagram bio that says that, &#8220;Darn Good Yarn is on a mission to bring you yarn with great vibes.&#8221; Welcome, Nicole.</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [1:38] Yup. [laughs] Thanks for having me on, Felix. I&#8217;m so stoked to be here.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [1:42] I&#8217;m excited too. Tell us more about your store and what kind of products you sell on there.</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [1:50] Totally. I&#8217;m going to start with a little bit of my background. I started the business, like you said, back in 2008. It was after being in the Air Force. I got out, and I had a desk job. It was a company that sold paper for offices. It was a lot like the TV show &#8220;The Office.&#8221; It was super boring, just without the awesome cast.</p>
[2:12] I wound up getting fired within a couple of months of working there. The parting words from the president were, &#8220;You shouldn&#8217;t, um, you shouldn&#8217;t work for a small business. Like you&#8217;re not suited for this.&#8221; I&#8217;m like, &#8220;You&#8217;re kind of dumb.&#8221; [laughs] Like, &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to deal with this,&#8221; so wound up leaving.</p>
[2:30] My husband, his job was taking him on the road. He was given that opportunity. It was almost like I got fired, and then, two weeks later, he was presented this opportunity. I&#8217;m like, &#8220;All right. I&#8217;ll go on the road with you.&#8221; We were young. Oh God, I was 23 years old. We were just married.</p>
[2:47] I started our first business. That&#8217;s where I got a lot of my initial business knowledge. It was a general import sort of website. This was back before the days of Shopify, even. This was back in 2006, so I was ‑‑ I&#8217;ll joke about it. I was using a bootleg version of Dreamweaver, and trying to pull everything together. [laughs]
[3:08] That store was OK. I was doing a couple of things at once. I was doing trade shows and craft fairs. I found out about this yarn about a year and a half into this first business. I realized there&#8217;s real potential here to hit a market that&#8217;s been underserved, a market, not just from the consumer side, but from the supply chain side.</p>
[3:31] If people aren&#8217;t familiar with my company, my yarn, and the business itself, is really a triple‑bottom line business. What that means, if you&#8217;re not familiar with it, it&#8217;s we try to serve the environment, we try to serve the supply chain and the people who make the products, and we&#8217;re profitable. That&#8217;s the component that separates us from a charity.</p>
[3:53] That differentiation, I think, gave me the motivation in the beginning to really ‑‑ like those late nights when you&#8217;re working the 16‑hour days, to work that extra hour. I think those little hours here and there, are what separated me from a lot of my competition.</p>
[4:10] The yarn is made from recycled materials. We&#8217;ve saved, at this point, over 50,000 pounds of material waste a year, and then we also employ 300 women in India and Nepal, and they hand‑make all of our yarns. These are women that wouldn&#8217;t have jobs otherwise, and they&#8217;re the highly‑impoverished of these countries.</p>
[4:29] I import that, and I sell it all over the world through my Shopify sites.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [4:33] That&#8217;s awesome, and I do want to get into the manufacturing and the supply chain of your business, because it sounds like there&#8217;s a lot involved, in a little bit, but I want to talk about the very beginning stages as well.</p>
[4:46] You said that you got fired and then you decided to start your very first business. Why didn&#8217;t you say, &#8220;I have some experience already, doing what I was doing before?&#8221; Why not get another office job, rather than dive into the unknown, at least at that point in your life, and start a business?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [5:08] Yeah, it [laughs] was the unknown. I have to laugh about it. Luckily, I was in a spot. I&#8217;ve always been a saver, and I had a little bit of money in the bank, not a lot. I bootstrapped Darn Good Yarn and the business from my savings account. I didn&#8217;t take a loan out. I would tell listeners that. &#8220;Make sure you do have those reserves in the bank.&#8221; I think that gave me a little bit more confidence to act as my own line of credit.</p>
[5:34] There was something about the office environment, at least for me. When I would approach situations and problems. I look at it now, and that&#8217;s what a CEO or an entrepreneur should be doing, is saying, &#8220;Look, how can I make this better?&#8221;</p>
[5:47] In the office environment, I was always doing that, and I was always getting my hand slapped. It was a misfit, and, when I got out of the Air Force, I had the same issue. To be honest, I got out for depression. I look back on it, and it was me just not meshing with the environment.</p>
[6:07] That&#8217;s a hard thing. You have to open up about that with yourself and be introspective and be willing to face that fact. I&#8217;m happy that I had a supportive structure around me, with my family. I said, &#8220;You know, I&#8217;m not going to do this anymore. I&#8217;ve been through enough with the Air Force. I owe it to myself to start something that&#8217;s a creative reflection of me.&#8221; That&#8217;s what my business is.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [6:29] What was the initial investment for starting your business? How much did you have to really put in before you started seeing the sales come in?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [6:38] I started the business with about $2,000. It wasn&#8217;t that much money.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [6:43] What was the original goal or dream? Did you think that this would replace your income from your previous job, or was it something that, you had free time and you were going to throw it out there and see what happens?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [6:56] When I started Darn Good Yarn in 2008, I was working two other jobs to make sure that I had cash flow still coming in. I didn&#8217;t have quite the guts. I did this one business, my first business, and that was really full‑time.</p>
[7:11] I was making OK money at it, but I also had my husband. I had his income coming in as well. It&#8217;s not like I talk about I had a gun behind my head. I didn&#8217;t have that going on where I had to make sure mortgages were paid.</p>
[7:22] The second time around, when I launched Darn Good Yarn, I didn&#8217;t want to pull from our family&#8217;s resources at that point. I wanted to see, &#8220;OK, can I do this on my own as an island?&#8221; I wound up working two jobs at the same time. I&#8217;m happy I did it that way, and didn&#8217;t go all in. I think it made me work a lot harder, and I had a lot more respect for my money the second time around.</p>
[7:44] It was an evolution, and it was about two years into it where I said, &#8220;OK, this is going to be totally self‑supporting.&#8221; That&#8217;s when I think I started to take myself a little bit more seriously, where I said, &#8220;OK, I can pull a paycheck from this.&#8221; My hours just ramped up as well. I think I got smarter about it.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [8:00] That sounds like a pretty serious hustle and struggle at the very beginning, for a couple of years of work, getting multiple jobs and trying to get your business off the ground.</p>
[8:11] Can you describe your day‑to‑day for us? What time were you waking up, and what jobs were you doing, and then how did you find time to fit building a brand‑new business into your day‑to‑day?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [8:22] It was intense. My commutes in, I relied on Audible like crazy, so I was listening to e‑books driving into work, and I remember scratching notes on my hand. Not scratching, but with a pen, writing notes on the back of my hand. &#8220;Oh, my God, that&#8217;s such a good business idea.&#8221;</p>
[8:41] I was definitely hustling in that way, and I would get home from my jobs, and pack orders, and take photographs, and learn about photography. I went out there, and there were a lot of mistakes made, but I kept perfecting it.</p>
[8:58] It serves me well now. I look back at those times, because I have done every single job that&#8217;s in my business now. I have a team now that does a lot of what I used to do operationally, so I can focus more on the strategy and growing the business, but that had to happen.</p>
[9:13] I think as an early business owner, my advice would be is to just take joy in that. It&#8217;s a beautiful time in your business, and you can learn what works, what doesn&#8217;t work, and you get to listen to your customer.</p>
[9:25] My other two jobs. I was working with a financial advisor. I was looking to be a registered investment advisor at the time, and then I was working as a personal assistant, but it wasn&#8217;t as a secretary. I worked in commercial real estate in Southern California with a private investor, so it was a little bit more hard‑core than just filing a couple of papers.</p>
[9:48] We were closing $24 million deals all the time [laughs] and there was an intensity to that. I wanted to [indecipherable 10:00] like this, and that&#8217;s I think what all business owners need. You have to say, &#8220;OK, I see the light at the end of the tunnel, and I have to keep working towards it.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [10:05] Those jobs you had sounded like possible career paths that you could have taken. I think that as entrepreneurs we run into this issue where we are pulled in so many different directions, and because we have so much built‑in fire or intensity that are spilling out of us, we really want to go in so many different directions at once.</p>
[10:24] I think what happens when that happens is that you end up burning out, because you expend so much energy in so many different places, you get spread so thin. Did you ever experience that? How did you deal with the possibility, or maybe you did, burning out by working in so many different kind of jobs and building your business at the same time?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [10:43] I don&#8217;t know if I ever really burned out, and like I said, there was a joy in me running the business. I had to keep myself in check, as far as comparing myself to other business owners.</p>
[10:54] There&#8217;s some people out there that make business look so damn easy, and I&#8217;m not that person. I wish I was that smart. I wish I was as smart as the people on the cover of Ink.</p>
[11:03] There were some times I had to close the magazines, I had to close a lot of the awesome business writings about these amazing businesses, and stay focused on what my goal was. My goal was to run my business authentically and have my business be a creative outlet of who I am.</p>
[11:19] Could I have made more money in those other paths? Maybe, but luckily, I burned out really early on in the Air Force. I realized where things didn&#8217;t quite mesh with me, and what I had to do to respect the authenticity that is myself and what is my business.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [11:33] I really like that point about not comparing yourself to others, and it&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve heard before is that when you do look at other people&#8217;s successes, you just see the highlight reel of their life and their business, and you just see all the great things, but you don&#8217;t see the struggles, you don&#8217;t see what happens.</p>
[11:48] That&#8217;s the reason why I&#8217;d like to begin the podcast by talking about it ‑‑ what didn&#8217;t work and why it sucked in the beginning, and how hard it is because that&#8217;s the side that I think a lot of people don&#8217;t see.</p>
[12:01] Like you&#8217;re saying, we only look at how successful other people are, and we look at ourselves, and we see all the things that we&#8217;re having trouble with, that we can&#8217;t figure out.</p>
[12:10] Can you talk more about the way, how do you&#8230;? For someone out there that kind of stuck in that phase, where they are constantly comparing themselves to other businesses and getting down about that, what kind of advice do you give to somebody that&#8217;s going through that?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [12:24] I tell them to actually just shut out the noise, it&#8217;s as simple as that. I think you have to make realistic goals for yourself.</p>
[12:32] For example, even today in my world, it was me getting home at a reasonable time so I can make dinner for my family. It might seem really corny, but in a business owner&#8217;s world, sometimes your family does come second unfortunately, and I am trying to change that in my personal life.</p>
[12:52] I do have to black out the other noise. I maybe have competitors that are even doing better than me, but for me, part of my goals and part of what my core competencies are as Nicole Snow, is to not only be a great CEO, but it&#8217;s to be a great wife, and it&#8217;s to have a functioning lifestyle.</p>
[13:08] One thing I&#8217;m really proud of, is that I&#8217;ve been married for nine years, and I still have been able to run a business that&#8217;s been doubling in growth since inception, so you got to keep it in check and know when to shut out the noise.</p>
[13:21] What I like to compare it to is&#8230;Especially women out there. We tend to be really hard on our bodies, and sometimes you get the Victoria&#8217;s Secret magazines, you&#8217;re like &#8220;Oh my god. They&#8217;re so freaking gorgeous I know it&#8217;s all airbrushed.&#8221; You have to close the magazine. Throw it away, because you&#8217;re just going to feel bad about yourself at the end of the day&#8230;</p>
[13:34] [laughter]
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [13:37] &#8230;and it&#8217;s the same thing in business. It&#8217;s the same sort of thing.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [13:39] Yeah, I understand. I see what you&#8217;re saying. After all that had work you out in for the many years, and all the sacrifices, it sounds likes you got to put in all the working two jobs and all of that. How successful is the business today, is where you want it to be, and you share as much as you can about the goals that you set out, and what you&#8217;ve accomplished?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [14:01] The goals, they are financial of course. For me, it&#8217;s keeping happy employees and a happy family, and sometimes, you can&#8217;t put those things on a balance sheet. It&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [14:14] When you first started out the business, were you generating sales right off the bat, or how are you able to validate that this was a product, or this was a niche or a store that made sense, and it was going to be successful?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [14:30] I went to Google AdWords initially to get my story out there, and get the store out there. The yarn itself&#8230;the concept of the yarn has been on the market.</p>
[14:40] I tell people to find things like, &#8220;Yes, you might have the greatest widget in the world, but someone&#8217;s probably made something really similar. You can do a competitive analysis, and see what&#8217;s going out there.&#8221; That&#8217;s essentially what I did. I saw where somewhat competitors were selling something similar to my recycled silk yarn and I went after that.</p>
[15:00] I reverse‑engineered it a little bit, and I went through Google AdWords. That&#8217;s how I got my initial first sales. From that, I followed up with surveys, and impeccable customer service, and that&#8217;s what separates you from the big boxes of the world. I listen to my customers like no other, and it&#8217;s been something that&#8230;That&#8217;s what set me apart from beginning.</p>
[15:19] I have customers that I&#8217;ve bought from me within my first three months of business that are still purchasing from me today. I realized from there&#8230;I&#8217;m listening to the customer, what they wanted as far as colors, and textures, and I listened.</p>
[15:34] It&#8217;s just a matter of listening to your customer, and giving them what they want.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [15:38] Speaking of the competition at first, I&#8217;ve read somewhere that you were initially interested in starting a yarn business, and you looked out for the competition. What did you find when you went out into the marketplace to look at who else is selling yarn?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [laughs] [15:53] A lot of crappy websites. The yarn itself is very important. The yarn I sell&#8230;It does go back to the women that are creating the yarn. I didn&#8217;t realize that initially. Once, within two cycles of me buying this yarn, I realized that the women who are making the yarn weren&#8217;t being employed year‑round, because the yarn wasn&#8217;t sustainable in the western market.</p>
[16:19] I felt that it was my responsibility to tell their story better, because it is a remarkable story, that these women had nothing. They&#8217;re spinning yarn from their houses to pay for food and education for their kids. Usually, they can&#8217;t leave the house to work because it&#8217;s not safe, and it&#8217;s not socially acceptable.</p>
[16:33] I realized that I had to tell that story to other people. My competitors were not doing a good job with that, and I didn&#8217;t think it was respectful to the women that&#8230;If there was five other business in there, where about five other businesses at the time out there selling this yarn, these women are still only working two or three months out of the year supplying to them.</p>
[16:52] I was kind of pissed about it, and I think that lit a fire under me to say &#8220;OK, I&#8217;m going to make sure that they have year‑round employment from me.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [16:58] How did you know you could beat the competition? Because a little at times when we, entrepreneurs, we come up with ideas all the time, we find different things that we want to pursue, and then we go out and look at the competition, and then we see that there has been few in the business for many years.</p>
[17:17] How did you know, in yourself, that you were going to be able to compete against them, and beat them?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [17:22] It goes back to looking at their website and their branding. When I say branding, it&#8217;s not about the logo, and their little cute slogan. It was &#8220;What are they doing to engage the customer?&#8221; For me, I&#8217;ve always tried to change around and say, &#8220;How can the customer be part of Darn Good Yarn&#8217;s story?&#8221; and they were missing the mark on it.</p>
[17:40] I think maybe I&#8217;m kind of lucky. The fields of fiber, and arts and crafts, and knitting ‑‑ it&#8217;s not really technologically advanced. The websites for the most part, for independent yarn store are a little bit shoddy, and I realized the opportunity.</p>
[17:58] I went to school for international business, I minored in supply chain management, so I did have a formal education in these things. I realized where they were missing the mark in not telling a story. That was going to be a key connection point, and a differentiator for me in the market.</p>
[18:13] I would tell any small business out that &#8220;You don&#8217;t try to compete on price right away. Figure out what your story is, how you can bring the customer into it, and make them part of that supply chain.&#8221;</p>
[18:23] We like to think of Darn Good Yarn, it&#8217;s a full circle, that you&#8217;re helping these women, you&#8217;re getting cool yarn, you&#8217;re making something out of it, and then you&#8217;re serving these women back as a result. That&#8217;s keeping a story in the forefront of our customers. It&#8217;s what creates great brand recognition, and great loyalty.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [18:42] Can you maybe tell us tactically, how you&#8230;You have this story of helping these women in these countries be employed year round, and by purchasing your products, you are essentially voting with your dollars and supporting their lives out there. What did you do with that story to get it out there, was it in a form of videos or what was it that you&#8217;re doing?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [19:11] There&#8217;s a lot of imagery, we are continually improving imagery, video. I just got back from India like two weeks ago and I brought a videographer with me. We&#8217;re going to have a lot of professional produced videos talking about the process of making the yarn, and we&#8217;re talking about it with your customers.</p>
[19:30] I used to have a live show ‑‑ I have a little bit too much of my plate right now, but my customers would come in, chat with me. That&#8217;s sort of interface with my customers which is so important as an e‑commerce business which you don&#8217;t necessarily get from a frickin&#8217; [indecipherable 19:45] .</p>
[19:46] Make sure that you are always plugging your story and not in a way that&#8217;s choosy and trying to be manipulative, but it&#8217;s making people aware of what&#8217;s going on like, &#8220;Why this product is so special, why it&#8217;s a little quirky, maybe a little organic and rots sometimes bringing it back to that place.</p>
[20:03] It&#8217;s a matter of educating the customer. We spend a lot of time and a lot of money to make sure that they know why this yarn is so special.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [20:10] A lot of images as you were saying, when you went out to India, you took videos and pictures, was it coming through in blog posts and all that to talk about the people that are making the product?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [20:25] Yeah, blog posts for sure, my blog doesn&#8217;t&#8230;honestly my blogs in general don&#8217;t get much interaction. We put it up there for good business practice, but for me my customers are on Facebook. We&#8217;re posting pictures there.</p>
[20:39] I might talk specifically about a story of a woman who&#8217;s been affected by the yarn. For example, we pay for certain needs for individual people, or like medical care for individual people.</p>
[20:50] I&#8217;ll let the customer come in on that and say like, &#8220;Meet this woman, and we&#8217;re trying to raise $1000 for XYZ surgery. You can buy this yarn to support her, or you can give us money and we&#8217;ll make sure it gets to the right people. Just including them into that process, you&#8217;ll thereby be including them into that story and making them connect to those women.</p>
[21:17] Instead of saying here&#8217;s the blog post, here&#8217;s what we&#8217;re all about, and we&#8217;re making it more of interactive. We&#8217;re making it interactive in our mission statement.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [21:26] When you first launched the story, you had the setup, you had the products listed, what did you do to get the first 50 customers, was it all through ads or were there other avenues that worked well for you?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [21:39] Back in my early days I hustled on Craigslist, believe it or not. I used Google adverts, Facebook ads and it worked really awesome and that helped me get people noticing the brand, that was it. I would say like the third&#8230;It was really in the first month that I started to see sales coming and then the positive feedback was so quick because it was such a high quality product.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [22:04] Are you able to figure out if you are getting a positive return on your investment with the ads. I think a lot of times, especially if you&#8217;re brand new to buying ads you spend a lot of money. Because you&#8217;re still experimenting, still learning, you, to suffice, end up in a situation where you don&#8217;t get as much in sales as you spent on ads themselves. Were you able to measure that, and did it work out positively for you?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [22:32] Yeah, right from the onset with Google AdWords I had a positive return. Today by my standards, something minimum has to meet a six and a half times ROI ‑‑ to return on investment ‑‑ for me to return on investment, for me to even consider tweaking it. In the beginning Google advert served me extremely well.</p>
[22:57] The other thing I did and I am forgetting ‑‑ I am remembering it now ‑‑ is that I included letters. I still do include letters with every single order that goes out asking people to refer their friends.</p>
[23:08] If they think this&#8217;s so good, I urge them, if your Yoga class or your meeting circle, you need to tell people about me. I own a small business. I think that is something&#8230;That I learned from the beginning, how to sell myself and how to sell my business and I shouldn&#8217;t feel bad for it.</p>
[23:25] Sometimes I think it&#8217;s like, &#8220;Sales is an ugly world, selling yourself, but you&#8217;re not, and I included that hand writing letter and that did differentiate me as well, working on a referral engine right from the beginning is super important.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [23:39] Yeah, I understand what you&#8217;re saying about how sometimes we feel like we&#8217;re coming out too salesy, and in the beginning and it&#8217;s almost like even more&#8230;</p>
[23:48] You feel like you&#8217;re getting more salesy when you&#8217;re asking your customers to go and sale on your behalf. I know it&#8217;s like you do have an affiliate program. What percentage of the sales comes from your referrals or your affiliate program?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [24:01] Affiliate program is not&#8230;It doesn&#8217;t, maybe one percent of sales, it&#8217;s not that much. We haven&#8217;t focused too highly on expanding that at the present moment. We do have plans for that, moving into this year, but word of mouth help is what&#8217;s so critical, and the power of those letters that I send out and the reach out in having great customer service is apparent.</p>
[24:25] When I get one order from some obscure place in the US, and also when you see dots from all around the map from that same town, and you are like OK, &#8220;this person went to knitting and they brought their yarn with them and they showed it off their friends.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [24:39] Yeah, that must be awesome to see.</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [24:40] Yeah, it still gets me to this day, it&#8217;s like, &#8220;Yes, we have all this great technology but let&#8217;s not forget the basics of business.&#8221; You have to believe in your product, more importantly you have to have your customers believe in your products because you need&#8230;In my opinion you need to have 60 percent retention of customers to be successful.</p>
[25:02] They&#8217;re going to carry you through those rough times, and also are going to tell their friends about you. That&#8217;s not coming from places like Google AdWords or Facebook, it&#8217;s coming from the customer and the initial customer acquisition and then asking them to help you grow your base.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [25:15] Yeah once you do have a referral engine like you are talking about. It really does explode your ROI. Every time you get a new customer they are able to refer somebody else then you&#8217;ve just doubled the amount of customers that you have through converting one person.</p>
[25:32] What about today, what&#8217;s the biggest source of traffic for you?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [25:36] Right now it is Facebook, I think I got like 75,000‑76,000 likes on Facebook. We do a lot of contests and a lot of interactive contests there. That&#8217;s where a lot of our traffic is coming from this days.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [25:51] You are not talking about ads, you&#8217;re talking about Facebook likes that are coming to your page?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [25:58] Exactly, and we make it fun. We don&#8217;t take ourselves seriously. If anyone actually goes to our Facebook page which is facebookaccount/dgyarn, like Darn Good Yarn of course. We do like color naming contests for the yarn&#8230;People come up with most obscure things.</p>
[26:16] We give a $5 gift card, but we&#8217;ll get crazy response. If I put a color naming contest up, we get 800 entries for it, it&#8217;s ridiculous. Even today I said, I did a stupid video with an old iPhone of mine. The quality is absolutely terrible. I&#8217;m like, &#8220;OK guys, if you want to ask me any question at all, if I pick your question, I&#8217;ll give you a $15 gift card.&#8221;</p>
[26:40] Within a couple of hours I already had 50 questions on it. That&#8217;s the interactivity that you want. Some people feel like, &#8220;OK, I feel like I can talk to this person and she really cares what my thoughts are. That&#8217;s how you retain customers and really get them hyped about your product.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [26:55] I noticed you do have a lot of followers and likes on your twitter, Instagram and Facebook. When you have ‑‑ you&#8217;re saying 70,000 people ‑‑ that are liking your page and that are seeing your posts. Someone in the audience might be out there and say, &#8220;Of course Nicole, is going to be easy to get sales when you have so many followers.&#8221;</p>
[27:15] How did you even get started in the first place, how did you go from 0 to 1,000 Facebook likes? What did you do?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [27:21] I did the contests. The contest was helpful. I am kind of an open book. If I was having wine time and I was knitting at the same time, I was posting that stuff up. People were relating to it. Facebook, to me like, &#8220;Yes, we do sell and we put sales on there.&#8221;</p>
[27:37] It&#8217;s all about what minimizes stuff we&#8217;re doing and the connection we&#8217;re doing to have with the customer and that all authenticity is what I think people have gravitated towards in our company.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [27:49] Can you tell us more about this contest idea? Sounds like it&#8217;s interesting. Are you just posting an update on your page? Tell us how you go about starting it up and prospering on that?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [28:02] Yeah absolutely, our most popular contest that we run is our color naming contest. I get lots of different colors of the yarn, as you can imagine.</p>
[28:11] When I get these new colors. We give them generic sku numbers on the back like 001W really boring stuff. We&#8217;ll take a picture and say, &#8220;OK, this&#8217;s going to be the featured yarn of the week.&#8221; We count it just like 10 percent, which is a great way to ramp up initial sales. From there I say, &#8220;OK, tell me what this reminds you of? If I pick your name, we&#8217;re going to name the Yarn after your color name and we&#8217;ll send you your $5 gift card.&#8221;</p>
[28:39] Which is great Shopify, because you just have to click a button. Before, I used to send people out Yarn, and you&#8217;re paying for postage, and you&#8217;re dealing with more logistics now the $5 gift card, click the button and boom! It&#8217;s gone, which is really nice.</p>
[28:53] From there people just put in ridiculous names absolutely hilarious. If I am really in a cookie mood, like if it&#8217;s a Friday night&#8230;That&#8217;s another thing. You have to listen to sort of listen to the tempo and what your customers are doing.</p>
[29:05] I know Friday nights for my customer based were all drinking at this point, who are all cracking, their kids are in bed, that&#8217;s a reality of it. I interact with them I say, &#8220;Let&#8217;s do a calling naming contest and I&#8217;ll do one $5 gift card for the name I choose and another one for the name that makes me laugh the hardest.&#8221;</p>
[29:23] The names are hilarious, people have and people have a great time with it, and you pick some winners and everyone is happy, and you have a time of interaction, which is so important [indecipherable 29:33] a lot and that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [29:37] You are trying to&#8230;The purpose of spending time on your Facebook page, but when you are getting some interaction from your fans, Facebook tends to bubble up your posts more often or what&#8217;s the kind of effect getting the interaction on your Facebook page?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [30:00] Having high quality content on Facebook is super important, it has to be consistent. If you have a bomb of a post, it&#8217;s going to affect probably the next three or four posts, at least in my role it does. It will affect your page reach by 75 percent we have experienced. If you just have like one bomb after another, after another.</p>
[30:19] The nice thing with those contests is that people like to win free things. When there is a dollar I find attached to it versus sending them actual product, even if it&#8217;s a gift card to your store, we just had a lot more success with that. We are throwing contests two or three times a week.</p>
[30:36] The way I look at it is this. I am paying $5 ‑$10 for a gift card for these people. The cost of that is so miniscule compared to what I would pump through Google AdWords or even Facebook ads, which serve its own purpose. Those gift cards, it&#8217;s like a free way to boost your posts in a way.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [30:55] What you&#8217;re saying ‑‑ just for the folks out there who might not know how Facebook works ‑‑ you&#8217;re saying the reach of your post depending on the number of people that see it fluctuates depending on how many people interact with your posts on your Facebook page?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [31:14] That is exactly right, thank you. People should realize that even if you have 1,000 likes, only 16 percent of your followers will see that at any one time, which is kind of alarming. That&#8217;s why maybe we&#8217;ll lead in some spy, where I rely on my email list and email acquisitions to stay in contact with my customers.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [31:34] Yeah, you guys are jumping to next, I think that email has always been&#8230;It went away for a bit, but now it&#8217;s coming back in full force because of these issues that people are running into by having their customers on a platform that they don&#8217;t control.</p>
[31:52] Having people on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter is great, because that&#8217;s the way it reached your audience but because you&#8217;re on someone else&#8217;s platform. That could be taken away from you at any point. Facebook has, to some extent, done that by reducing your reach when it wasn&#8217;t always like that before. It used to be close to 100 percent reach. Now they tried to drive more people towards buying ads, they are reducing the organic reach of your traffic.</p>
[32:20] Tell us about your email marketing efforts. Maybe we&#8217;ll start with, how do you get email addresses? How do you send advice to sign up for your email list?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [32:31] Sure. We do a couple of things. I&#8217;m sharing a lot of secrets with you. In general over all, Darn Good Yarn, we try to not focus more than 20 percent of our marketing efforts to any one place. I say that, because I got my hand slapped with Facebook.</p>
[32:47] I was like, &#8220;Facebook is where it&#8217;s at. This the best thing ever.&#8221; Then they changed everything a year ago, whatever. I was like, &#8220;Oh, my God. I spent so much money. [laughs] For what?&#8221;</p>
[33:00] That being said, with email marketing, we do a couple of different things. I started using a company called SpruceMail. What they do is they integrate with my current newsletter sign ups that I&#8217;ve acquired over the years. I have about 18,000 people sign up for my newsletter list.</p>
[33:23] SpruceMail, so you know, helps me get my content in front of people who signed up for my newsletter but in their Facebook feed. It&#8217;s been super effective. I recommend that. It&#8217;s a little spendy, but I&#8217;m pretty in love with it.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [33:40] Could you explain that? You&#8217;re saying, how does it work with Facebook?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [33:44] Sure. What you do is you take your email list. You upload it into their software. What they do is they match the email addresses to Facebook profiles. They go, Betty Sue, and this is Betty Sue&#8217;s email address, then matches them together. When Betty Sue is looking at her news feed, she will see advertisements that I&#8217;m paying for in front of her in the form of sponsored ads.</p>
[34:13] Whereas before, if you were to boost your ad through your page, there&#8217;s no way, if you signed up for my newsletter. By signing up for your newsletter, it&#8217;s different than a like, because someone has come to your website and said, &#8220;I really want to know a lot more about your company. There&#8217;s, I think, a longer relationship there and to be a stronger opportunity to convert a customer.</p>
[34:31] That puts your &#8220;boosted&#8221; advertising dollars in front of your newsletter subscribers. That&#8217;s pretty awesome. Then from there, you can build prospect lists if your budget allows for it.</p>
[34:45] Other than that, as far as getting email addresses, we do a couple of things. I have a pop over on the website that I use, which is great. We do trade shows occasionally, and I acquire newsletter sign ups from there.</p>
[35:02] What we do with something quirky, we&#8217;ll usually advertise in the trade shows little magazine they hand, then say, &#8220;Come to Booth Whatever for a free notions perks.&#8221; I get them made in India. They&#8217;re really cute. They&#8217;re loaded up, just sign up for our newsletter list. Even though we&#8217;re there to sell the yarn, really, Michael, it is to acquire email addresses. That&#8217;s what keeps our list growing.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [35:26] 18,000 is a ton. What do you email them and how often do you send emails out?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [35:32] I send them little love letters that&#8217;s about&#8230;</p>
[35:34] [laughter]
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [35:38] Every other week, we do an email that&#8217;s focused around branding, that&#8217;s focused around telling people more about the story of Darn Good Yarn, exactly what we were talking about before. &#8220;Hey, this is my last trip to India. This is a recent blog post.&#8221; It&#8217;s not super sorry at all, I&#8217;m telling the story.</p>
[35:55] The other weeks, I&#8217;ll send them a plain text email. Just saying, &#8220;Hey, these are the sales we&#8217;re having. I hope you guys are having a fun week.&#8221; That&#8217;s it. That&#8217;s the gist of my email program. It&#8217;s rare if we&#8217;re not achieving 38 to 45 percent open rate on our emails.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [36:17] Can you share some, maybe, tips on things like the subject lines? I think that&#8217;s something that if you&#8217;re just starting out, it&#8217;s hard to master because you are not frequently enough that you are able to test. For someone that&#8217;s done for so long and then with so many emails out, what goes into your thought process when you&#8217;re coming up with email subject lines?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [36:43] Time sensitivity is very important in email. Subject line, if I am pushing a sale, I&#8217;ll say, &#8220;Hey, 24 hours left.&#8221; What I like to do is, if people are looking for ideas, I sign up for a lot of other people&#8217;s newsletters, from big boxes like Old Navy. Believe it or not, I think they do a great job with their subject lines. I say, &#8220;What are they doing there? Why did I maybe open that? Why did it catch my eye?&#8221;</p>
[37:08] I reverse engineer that and work through that. That&#8217;s effective for sales. Now I&#8217;m thinking about it and talking about it out loud, I sign up for a lot of newsletters, and I see what other people are doing right and what really appeals to me and fits within my branding.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [37:25] I like that. You don&#8217;t have to reinvent the wheel. If someone else is doing it successfully and a big box chains, like you&#8217;re saying, like in Old Navy, they have tons of money and tons of experience. You might as well take advantage of that and merry that in your own business.</p>
[37:39] Let&#8217;s talk about the manufacturing and the supply chain in running the business. Tell us more about the people that are making the yarn. How did you connect with them? How did you meet them? What&#8217;s the story behind that?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [37:52] Like I said, I had that first business. I&#8217;ve always been a crafty sort of kid. I wanted to learn how to knit. That&#8217;s when I started joining the yarn. The yarn itself, I didn&#8217;t realize how important the supply chain was behind it until those first couple of cycles of inbound shipments.</p>
[38:13] The recycling component was what was important. India especially, they&#8217;re phenomenal of taking what little resources they do have, in the poor, more agriculturally‑based areas, and turning it into amazing things. That came from my experience from my experience with my first business and importing and testing.</p>
[38:35] Dealing with these women, I&#8217;m dealing with the key point suppliers who own the expert licenses. That was a little bit complicated to set up, and there was a little bit of a gut check initially to do the initial import. I say that, because you&#8217;re wiring a couple of thousand dollars to someone you don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s like, &#8220;I hope I see some products in a couple of weeks like you promised,&#8221; because they can take the money and run.</p>
[39:02] What I learned, though, going forward, is that, this is just me being a beginning business owner, is that there are ways to escrow the money until you get delivery. I would encourage people to go seek those out. Go to your local chamber of commerce. I know the US Chamber has resources as well that will point you in the direction of money escrowed if you are thinking about importing.</p>
[39:26] I wish I did know that in the beginning just as a form of protection. For the women themselves, they really don&#8217;t have any other opportunities. Where they live, it&#8217;s socially unacceptable for them to work outside the home.</p>
[39:39] I have a woman that&#8217;s been working for the company for six years in Northern India. She was widowed. She has two kids. She was pushed out of her family, excommunicated from her family because she was widowed, and there is a social stigma attached to that. The only job she can get was making yarn for me.</p>
[39:59] I think that&#8217;s like my motivation. It goes back to that story and branding. It might just seem like yarn and people are knitting and everyone&#8217;s happy, but it is very important.</p>
[40:10] There is this conscientious capitalism that needs to take place where I need to make sure that I continue to cash flow and I continue to run my business well and effectively versus a charity that will be there one there one day but you don&#8217;t know if they&#8217;re going to be there in months.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [40:25] It definitely sounds like the best business to be in, because it was something you truly believe in. It gives you the extra energy that I think is probably one of the key elements of strategists having the grit to stick in the game and staying in there during the times where it gets tough.</p>
[40:43] You can outwork a lot of the competition. Especially if you are extremely passionate, I can see that you are about the cost. I think that that helps a lot in helping you become successful.</p>
[40:57] I was looking at going through your sites. You have a lot of products. The pricing varies a lot from product to product. How do you figure out how much to charge for the different products that you sell?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [41:08] It&#8217;s very complex math. I usually double it or quadruple it depending on if we&#8217;re doing wholesale or retail. It&#8217;s not that complex. I wish there was more science, but that&#8217;s what it is. I only realize that through. I want to talk about this, because I think it&#8217;s important.</p>
[41:25] I&#8217;m joking about doubling, quadrupling it, but that came with a science, because one of my most important assets is that I have a bookkeeper and he access my financial consultant as well.</p>
[41:38] Without him telling me, &#8220;Nicole, make sure that you&#8217;re turning this inventory, this stuff is getting sale,&#8221; without having that sort of accountability, I wouldn&#8217;t know how to do pricing that way. I think that even as a beginning business owner, I wish I did that from day one, is hire someone. There are people out there.</p>
[41:58] If you want to hire my guy, Anthony, you can go on my website and find him on our About Us page. He is phenomenal, but there is other individuals like him out there that will say, &#8220;This is what you need to look for when you are doing pricing. Did you consider this? Did you consider this? Did you consider this?&#8221;</p>
[42:13] In the beginning, I do get it wrong. I&#8217;m like, &#8220;The market isn&#8217;t going to pay for this.&#8221; I felt bad charging people so much. We joked about putting our big girl panties on. I&#8217;m like, &#8220;I actually do have expenses. I do have to keep the lights on. There&#8217;s other things to factor into the pricing. He helped me figure those multiples out.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [42:33] That&#8217;s important about having that almost professional and formal businesses, employee or help. How did you find a bookkeeper? For someone that&#8217;s starting out, how much time&#8230;? You probably don&#8217;t need somebody full‑time when you&#8217;re first starting out. How much time would you expect to need from a bookkeeper when you&#8217;re first starting out?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [42:57] If you get someone from the beginning, you might need them for maybe three or four hours a month. That&#8217;s at the most. That&#8217;s if you&#8217;re going to them for consulting as well. Anthony and I have a relationship where I&#8217;m paying him by the hour, but we&#8217;re also talking about business development and strategy.</p>
[43:15] He&#8217;s not a stakeholder. It&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s my mom&#8217;s friend or something like that. He&#8217;s totally removed. He&#8217;s in Canada. That&#8217;s very important, because he is all about the numbers with me and he really puts me through my paces. I say that if you start with someone initially, just those couple of hours. I found him through Elance, elance.com.</p>
[43:36] That being said, if you&#8217;re in it a year and then you realize, &#8220;I need a bookkeeper now to do my taxes,&#8221; expect to pay a little bit more. That was what happened to me. I was caught with my pants down a little bit.</p>
[43:48] My books were completely a wreck. I realized I had to create a balance sheet for the IRS. I was like, &#8220;Oh, my God. I only know how to do PML.&#8221; This is really going to be intense. He helped rebuild books for three years. I&#8217;m not going to say that was inexpensive. [laughs]
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [44:05] That sounds like a lot of work. Speaking of having employees, what else is on your team? What roles did you hire for initially?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [44:14] Initially, I thought I just needed an assistant. I guess I did, but I hired Maggie, who&#8217;s now my vice president of Darn Good Yarn. She was a customer of mine, believe it or not. I posted on my personal Facebook wall, &#8220;I think I need an assistant, maybe eight hours a week.&#8221; Within two months, she was working 50 hours a week for me. [laughs] I think I was a little bit overloaded. You know what I mean?</p>
[44:42] She&#8217;s taking over, doing a lot of the customer service and wholesale outreach, managing special projects for me. She has an assistant as well, Jessica, who is not only an assistant. I shouldn&#8217;t downplay that. She manages our community now. She&#8217;s going to take the ball a step forward. She is responsible now for educating our social media networks about what our mission is.</p>
[45:07] Now that we&#8217;re growing a little bit more quickly, people aren&#8217;t getting our mission as fully as we can. It&#8217;s not a defective anything. It&#8217;s a good problem task. She&#8217;s going to be responsible for that. Then I have Amanda. She&#8217;s my operations manager, and she coordinates all my fulfillment in my warehouse in Schenectady in New York.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [45:33] Are they all working remotely or do you guys have an office that you meet at?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [45:39] Maggie and Jessica, they&#8217;re remote. Amanda comes in to work with me. We moved into this place in June, in Schenectady. I don&#8217;t want to make it sound like, &#8220;Oh, yeah, I&#8217;ve had this big ass building for a long time.&#8221; That&#8217;s not the case. I ran Darn Good Yarn hustled out of my house in Maine for three years.</p>
[46:03] Maggie and Jessica, at the time, were working remotely for me, and we relied on Google Hangout practice.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [46:10] I don&#8217;t see why you couldn&#8217;t do that. I think that&#8217;s one of the great things about starting a business these days, you could find the best talents that works for your business, works for your budget, and they don&#8217;t have to be in your town at all.</p>
[46:22] Other than the employees, what kind of tools or apps did you rely on a day‑to‑day to run your business?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [46:28] Totally. Number one app, RetentionGrid. It is the bomb. I&#8217;d say, in the past 12 months, it&#8217;s generated over $100,000 in revenue for us [indecipherable 46:41] . It is the bomb for an app. The team over there, they are amazing. They&#8217;ve created some new emailing technologies that we&#8217;re currently using. They brand a lot more beautifully than what we&#8217;ve previously been using. RetentionGrid is the bomb.</p>
[47:05] Second, I would say, is ShipStation. They&#8217;re working with Stitch. I have two Shopify stores. I have one for my wholesale customers and one for my retail. That pushes into Stitch. That&#8217;s an inventory management. Then that, from there, pushes into ship station.</p>
[47:24] What&#8217;s beautiful about Stitch and Ship Station ‑‑ which is really difficult to say really fast ‑‑ is it integrates with other channels as well. We&#8217;re an omni‑channel company, because I do have a retail price in now in Schenectady. We have an Amazon store as well that carries a good portion of our retail sales. That all pushes into one and then out the door.</p>
[47:47] That, again, is all manageable from the cloud, which makes that virtual office so much more possible. The other two are new to Darn Good Yarns repertoire, but they&#8217;ve proven to be invaluable. I don&#8217;t know how I&#8217;ve lived this long without them.</p>
[48:01] One of them is called Lucky Orange. You can see where they&#8217;re exiting and what they&#8217;re clicking on your website. If something is not placed quite right or maybe the color&#8217;s off and you&#8217;re tweaking and you&#8217;re testing, Lucky Orange is super awesome that way.</p>
[48:17] The other is Power Search. I don&#8217;t know how I&#8217;ve lived this long without this either. It&#8217;s a smart search tool for your search bar. It has made us a lot of sales, where we might have missed it before, because the cataloging sometimes, just on Shopify a la cart can be a little bit wonky. That&#8217;s a very technical term, but that&#8217;s what it is.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [48:41] Other than these awesome applications that you&#8217;re using, can you pinpoint a thing that you&#8217;ve maybe changed about your site? Either the design or adding something or removing something that has made a big impact on your traffic or the sales that you&#8217;re generating?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [48:58] We&#8217;ve had a better conversion by grouping our products better.</p>
[49:02] What we used to do was have ever single yarn, even if it feel under the same category, let me make it a little bit more clearer for the non‑yarn people [laughs] out there. If we had a ribbon and I had five different colors, I would create those a separate products like purple ribbon, blue ribbon, green ribbon, et cetera.</p>
[49:21] I group those under one product now, which is probably what I should&#8217;ve been doing all along. I just thought it looked prettier the other way. By grouping them all together, it creates less clicks for the customer and that&#8217;s really what I&#8217;ve been focusing on, creating less clicks from the time they get to my site for them to click checkout. That has totally helped our conversion rate.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [49:42] That makes sense. When I close out on something that I found when I was Googling around about you and your business, was that you won the FedEx small business grant contest. Can you tell us more about that? What was it about? What was the prize and your experience with them entering that contest?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [50:00] Yeah, totally. Thanks for bringing that up. Gosh, it was two years ago at this point. I&#8217;m like an old lady now. FedEx launched this small business grant contest. There were about 40,000 businesses nationwide that entered into it. I&#8217;m like, &#8220;Hell, I think I can actually win this thing, because it was asking questions about supply chain and how you integrate your small business into a global supply chain,&#8221; which is what I was doing but I was doing it from my house in rural Maine at the time.</p>
[50:32] The grand prize was $25,000. There were, I think, three or four runners up that got five grand. I put the application in. I had to push on my Facebook base for this. I&#8217;ll tell people, grand competitions like this are awesome because people rally around you. Even if you don&#8217;t win, they still want to be a part your story and feel like they helped you get to a new place.</p>
[50:57] That being said, I wound up winning their first ever FedEx small business grant contest, which is a humongous honor. I got an awesome check for $25,000 that I use for working line and credit. Since then, I&#8217;ve become FedEx&#8217;s Snapple girl in a way.</p>
[51:15] If you remember those advertisements back when they flung me down to the corporate, I&#8217;ve got to fly their Boeing 777 simulator. I used to fly when I was in high school, so I played, &#8220;Oh, I don&#8217;t really know how to fly.&#8221; Gone to the simulator, and I had some really nasty awesome landing.</p>
[51:33] The instructor was like, &#8220;You&#8217;ve taken a couple of lessons before?&#8221; I&#8217;m like, &#8220;Yeah, maybe a few.&#8221; [laughs]
[51:40] The grand contest, though, was&#8230;It was an amazing experience. The winning and the check was the bomb, of course, but I still have customers who&#8217;ll come to me and say, &#8220;I voted for you in that contest.&#8221; They&#8217;re just happy to be part of the fabric of what Darn Good Yarn is.</p>
[51:59] I noticed that the contest, the grand contest, is reopening next week for 2015. If somebody out there that wants to enter, if you give them one tip for any store owners that are entering the contest that you think has helped you to see, what would that be?</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [52:18] When you&#8217;re entering in and you&#8217;re filling out your information, keep it centric to who your audience is. It&#8217;s people at FedEx, they still are trying to have a high production value after the fact when you win.</p>
[52:34] Make it about how you are shipping maybe worldwide and how you&#8217;re using a supply chain that is really multi‑dimensional like mine was, and then make sure that you&#8217;re telling your story.</p>
[52:46] If your branding and your story is about helping people or giving back certain percentage of your sales to whatever, make sure that&#8217;s known. I think keeping in mind the triple bottom line business.</p>
[52:57] I personally feel as though way the future is forced small businesses to succeed in this country. Those are the two biggest steps. Keep it centric to your audience and then keep it around the triple bottom‑line concept. I think you&#8217;ll be great. From there, just push like crazy on your Facebook fans.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [53:17] Yeah, I think what I&#8217;m hearing from what you&#8217;re saying is almost like make sure that you have a story that FedEx would want to tell. I saw the video that they put out for you, and it looks awesome. It really makes FedEx look amazing too. I&#8217;m sure that goes into FedEx&#8217;s mind when they pick winners. They want to pick somebody that has a great story that they can use for their purpose as well.</p>
[53:42] Thanks so much for your time, Nicole. Darngoodyarn.com is the store. Folks who want to go and check it out, purchase from you. Are there any other places that you own, you recommend folks check out, they want to follow your story, your cause, or just your journey.</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [53:59] Totally. Facebook is always awesome. Come visit me there like I said before, Facebook.com/dgyarn, but the website is where it&#8217;s at. We&#8217;re going to be posting a ton of video from my India trip.</p>
[54:13] If you have any interest at all, even if it&#8217;s not in yarn, and you want to really see some cool manufacturing happen that&#8217;s really grass roots, be sure to tune in for that because it&#8217;s super moving, not to be corny or hooky.</p>
[54:26] I started with two boxes of yarn and this business has really been out of my house for a long time. If I can do it, I know it sounds like a commercial, but if I can do it, you can do it. It just takes passion and it takes a drive, if you have those two things, it sets you apart from so many other people in the small business environment.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [54:46] Awesome, thanks so much Nicole.</p>
<p><strong>Nicole</strong>:  [54:48] Yeah, thank you.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [54:49] If you want to support Nicole&#8217;s cause by purchasing from darngoodyarn.com, head over to shopifymasters.org/27 to get a Shopify Masters exclusive discount code.</p>
[54:59] [background music]
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [54:59] It&#8217;s a limited time discount so don&#8217;t wait. Thanks for listening. Make sure to go to shopifymasters.org to check out the show notes with all the information and links we mentioned on the podcast. If you&#8217;re enjoying the podcast, please head on over to iTunes and leave us a five star review. It helps a ton in growing our community.</p>
[55:16] Thanks, catch you guys next time.</p>
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		<title>3 Website Analytics You Shouldn&#8217;t Ignore</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 06:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Hough]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Website Analytics are sexy. Good managers pay attention to the numbers because they don’t lie, or do they? The beauty of online marketing is that everything can be tracked and measured.  Did the last email blast outperform the previous one or how well is your newest landing page converting visitors to leads/sales? The answers to [&#8230;]</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Website Analytics are sexy.</p>
<p>Good managers pay attention to the numbers because they don’t lie, or do they?</p>
<p>The beauty of online marketing is that everything can be tracked and measured.  Did the last email blast outperform the previous one or how well is your newest landing page converting visitors to leads/sales?</p>
<p>The answers to each of these questions and numerous others lie in the reading and interpretation of your analytics.  One of the problems facing managers looking into the data is what to look at.  With reams of data being generated every day, staring at the sheer volume of information and trying to make sense of it can be overwhelming.</p>
<p>Adding to that feeling is the fact that some of the commonly discussed numbers are somewhat irrelevant, even though they appear sexy at first glance.  Numbers like visits, page views and time on site are important, but do they really tell the story that needs to be told about your site.</p>
<p><strong>Choosing the Right Analytics to Watch</strong></p>
<p>Before you begin diving into your analytics you need to define the purpose of your site.  Defining the purpose of your site allows you to determine which numbers you should pay attention to and what they mean to you.</p>
<p>Two questions to ask yourself when evaluating your website are: How does our website help our business grow? What do we want individuals to do when they are on our website?</p>
<p>After answering those two questions, you will be able to set clearly defined goals—landing page conversions, shopping cart abandonment rates, new vs. returning visitors, etc.—that are meaningful guide your analytic analysis.</p>
<p><strong>Key Metrics to Focus On</strong></p>
<p>1.  <strong>Unique Visitors.</strong>  Site visits is one of those sexy numbers that everyone likes to quote because it can make them look good.  While site visitors is important, what does it really mean?  For example, you could get one person—person A— to visit your site every day for a month and that would give you thirty views.  Yea, you have thirty views but how useful are they?</p>
<p>A better metric to measure is unique visitors. Unique visitors are those individuals visiting your site for the first time.  Unique visitors are important because they help gauge the impact of your marketing efforts.</p>
<p>Now, if Person A visits your website twenty times, person B visits nine times and person C visits once you will still have thirty total visits, but now you have three unique visitors.  Those three individuals are important because they represent the reach of your marketing efforts.</p>
<p>2.  <strong>Bounce Rate.</strong>   Bounce rate is a metric that measures how many visitors leave your site after visiting only one page.  This is an important number because it tells you if you are delivering on the promises used to get visitors to your site.</p>
<p>For example your search result might promise visitors information on why Zebra’s have stripes, yet when they click the link and arrive at your site they don’t immediately see the promised information and they leave.</p>
<p>The marketing team at <a href="http://www.gorocketfuel.com/the-rocket-blog/whats-the-average-bounce-rate-in-google-analytics/">Rocket Fuel</a> studied a years worth of bounce rates on 60 random websites.  They found bounce rates ranging from 26 &#8211; 70% with an average rate being 49%.  They concluded that bounce rates below 40% were excellent and rates between 41 and 55 % were average.  Anything above 55% represents a problem and that the reasons causing it—poor design, bad SEO, etc.—should be determined.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gorocketfuel.com/sites/282/uploaded/images/high_and_low_bounce_rates.png"><img style="height: 422px; width: 620px;" src="http://www.gorocketfuel.com/sites/282/uploaded/images/high_and_low_bounce_rates.png" alt="" /></a></p>
<p>3.  <strong>Conversion Rate.</strong>  This is the one metric that really matters because it measures the percentage of people who reach a desired goal on your site.  Everything you do on your website should be designed to move visitors through the sales funnel toward your desired objective.  If your website isn’t converting visitors into customers you need to know why.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marketingsherpa.com/about.html">Marketing Sherpa</a>—an Internet marketing research company—evaluated 2,912 <a href="http://www.marketingsherpa.com/article/chart/overall-conversion-rates-ecommerce#">survey responses</a> to find Ecommerce conversion rates ranging from less than 1% all the way to a ridiculous 100%, with the majority of the rates being less than 5%.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marketingsherpa.com/charts/chartofweek-07-29-14-lp.jpg"><img style="height: 649px; width: 600px;" src="http://www.marketingsherpa.com/charts/chartofweek-07-29-14-lp.jpg" alt="" /></a></p>
<p>Conversion rates will vary depending on a variety of factors, so it is important to watch for any sudden changes or trends that appear in your conversion rate.  Any sudden shift in the rate needs immediate attention because it could point to potential problems on your site.</p>
<p><strong>Rinse and Repeat</strong></p>
<p>The beauty of the Internet is the ability to measure everything and choosing the right metrics will aid in your quest for success.  Setting goals for and reviewing the metrics discussed will provide great insight into your business and your marketing efforts.  Taking the time to familiarize yourself with these three metrics will bring focus to your efforts and help you ask the right questions.</p>
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		<title>The 8 Year Ecommerce Story From Shopify Store #87</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 12:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Felix Thea]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>[0:00] [background music] Felix:  [0:02] Hey, entrepreneurs. My name is Felix, and I&#8217;m the host of the Shopify Masters podcast, and the founder of shopifymasters.org. [0:09] Every single Monday, I put out a podcast interview with a successful Shopify entrepreneur or e‑commerce expert to give you inspiration, motivation, and actionable tips to increase your traffic [&#8230;]</p>
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<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [0:02] Hey, entrepreneurs. My name is Felix, and I&#8217;m the host of the Shopify Masters podcast, and the founder of shopifymasters.org.</p>
[0:09] Every single Monday, I put out a podcast interview with a successful Shopify entrepreneur or e‑commerce expert to give you inspiration, motivation, and actionable tips to increase your traffic and sales, so your store can generate the sales you need to live the life you want.</p>
[0:25] Before we dive in today&#8217;s podcast, this podcast is sponsored by ReCharge and Nosto. Do you want to charge your customers on a recurring basis? ReCharge makes it easy to seamlessly integrate recurring billing into your Shopify store&#8217;s checkout. Sign up today for Recharge at rechargeapps.com and get a thirty‑day free trial when you use the coupon code &#8220;shopifymasters.&#8221;</p>
[0:43] Nosto enables any online retailer to deliver their customers a personalized shopping experience, increase in conversion, average order value and customer retention through features such as personalized product recommendations, and triggered emailing. Get your 14‑day free trial of the Nosto Shopify app by going to nosto.com, and join over 4,000 retailers across the globe using Nosto to grow their business and delight their customers.</p>
[1:08] On today&#8217;s episode, you&#8217;ll hear from one of the first 100 Shopify store owners, and how he went from knowing nothing about the products he was going to sell to opening a store six months later.</p>
[1:18] In this episode, you&#8217;ll learn why Amazon advertising can get you customers immediately, why you need to add a wholesale button to all of your products, and why and how to automate your product reviews, which by the way is very important to Google search results.</p>
[1:30] [end background music]
[1:31] Today, on podcast, I&#8217;m joined by Mark Costigliola from earthled.com. EarthLED is an online distributor, reseller, and wholesaler of LED lighting and fixtures and was started in 2007. It&#8217;s based out of Colorado and was recognized as one of Inc. Magazine&#8217;s 500 Fastest‑Growing Private Companies. Welcome, Mark.</p>
<p><strong>Mark Costigliola</strong>:  [1:48] Thanks a lot, Felix, for having me on.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [1:50] Give us a little more information about your store. What is it that you guys sell?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [1:54] Earthled.com is the leading online retailer of LED lighting products. We sell everything from screw‑in bulbs that anyone can put in their house, all the way up to office and industrial fixtures that are used in commercial applications.</p>
[2:10] We have a really great web store that&#8217;s based on Shopify. We do business both online and offline, but the primary driver of the business is the online store at earthled.com.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [2:21] Awesome. You guys have been in the business for a while now, eight years at this point. What were you doing before being in e‑commerce, and what made you decide to take that route and start selling online?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [2:36] My background is in IT. I used to work for a medical device company. They had a really strong e‑commerce component to their operation as well. I was heavily involved in that, and experienced some rapid growth with that company over the course of the five years I spent there.</p>
[2:54] Part of the technology we used in that medical device were light‑emitting diodes, so I was very interested in their applications as a potential source for general household lighting.</p>
[3:06] Around 2006, 2007, the first viable products for general household lighting started to emerge, so I became quite interested in potentially being one of the first to offer those to the public. We opened EarthLED towards the end of 2007, and we&#8217;re one of the first, really, to sell consumer‑oriented LED light bulbs.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [3:29] That&#8217;s interesting, because it is a pretty new consumer technology that&#8217;s really been only affordable in recent years. You&#8217;re saying that you spent some time working at a different company that was selling LEDs, but maybe not for consumers that want to light their households.</p>
[3:49] Then you saw that it was becoming viable enough that there was an opening in the market where you thought that consumers and homeowners were going to start investing in LEDs. How did you know that that was going to be the direction of the market? How did you validate that was going to actually happen?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [4:09] The best thing was I really didn&#8217;t know. [laughs] In a lot of cases when you&#8217;re entering something new like this, the less you know, maybe the better. I didn&#8217;t have a background in lighting or anything of that sort, any of the sciences behind household lighting or lighting.</p>
[4:28] I really didn&#8217;t know. If you take a look at how CFLs work and how they even work to this day, they&#8217;re very poor, in terms of a lot of factors of light quality, time to start up, and even the cost wasn&#8217;t as attractive as perhaps it could be. I saw that there was an opportunity for a third technology, certainly didn&#8217;t know it would be a success though. It was something we just had to bet on.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [4:54] Usually for any new technology, and if you are one of the frontrunners of that technology, I think that a lot of the responsibility of education comes onto your shoulders, and you have to educate the consumer on this new technology.</p>
[5:08] Did you find that that was one of the most difficult parts when you first started out? Did you have to struggle a lot to educate consumers on why LEDs were better for lighting their household?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [5:21] Yeah. A lot of that came down to doing it myself. I had to spend about six months learning the technology, and I did spend the first part of that year in 2007 really learning about it.What I saw definitely was that everyone else who was selling, and there was really ‑‑ the amount of companies that were selling this product was you could count on your hand, at least online.</p>
[5:38] What they didn&#8217;t do very well was explain to people where could you put this product, make the product friendly for a consumer to buy. The products they were selling had very generic names. Nothing really behind them, so I think we were very successful, in terms of making the product acceptable, marketing it so that it was something people understood where they could put it.</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_left" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">helping people understand the practical application, that was what I think we did very well</div>
[5:59] It was a question a lot of people had initially was, was it really as simple as just screwing this product into a fixture in their house? It sounds so simple, but really conveying that and helping people understand the practical application, that was what I think we did very well.</p>
[6:16] We did a lot of videos, a lot of photos of the product. Even to this day we&#8217;re one of the only companies that actually shows the products turned on, which I think is interesting, and it&#8217;s still kind our competitive advantage.</p>
[6:27] When you go into a home improvement or a big box store, you&#8217;re confronted with a multitude of options, maybe 50 or 60 options, and no one really knows to tell you what is the best option for you. You can&#8217;t see what the product looks like when it&#8217;s turned on.</p>
[6:41] I think it&#8217;s still one of our main advantages to this day, is really the rich experience a person gets when they&#8217;re able to come to our site and see the product before they buy it.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [6:49] That&#8217;s interesting because a lot of people don&#8217;t necessarily buy a lightbulb for the lightbulb, they buy it for the lighting, and it&#8217;s weird that you wouldn&#8217;t show the benefit of the products.</p>
[6:58] I think that&#8217;s a really important take away, is that rather than showing all these different features of a product that you&#8217;re selling, you want to show why is it going to improve the life of the person that&#8217;s buying it. It really makes sense that you would show what it looks like when it&#8217;s turned on. Why not show that?</p>
[7:14] You were saying just a little bit before that, you had to spend six months learning about LEDs and learning about the technology behind it. I think lots of people that, myself included, if I were to get into a business or industry where I knew nothing about it and had to spend six months learning about it, I would kind of shy away from there.</p>
[7:33] I might spend a couple months trying to learn it, thinking, &#8220;Well I can&#8217;t compete against these established companies that probably have teams of people that understand it.&#8221; What was going through your head, and what made you decide, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to persevere and be able to learn enough that I will be able to compete against any other larger companies?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [7:51] For me personally, the biggest driver was I wanted to make a change. I didn&#8217;t want to work for someone anymore. I think that I&#8217;ve always wanted to have my own company. I just believed in what I wanted to do, and so that made the time spent learning about the industry.</p>
[8:10] Really there was a period of maybe two months where I was spending basically day and night building the web store. We also had a website as well at the same time, so there was a lot of work that went inside our original iteration of the site, as it were. It was really just me, just dedicated and focused on the goal that if this was a success, I could have my own thing and wouldn&#8217;t have to work for someone else.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [8:34] I think that&#8217;s a goal that a lot of entrepreneurs have, is that they want to be their own boss. Was this your first entrepreneurial pursuit, or did you have experience in starting projects in the past, or starting companies in the past?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [8:49] I had done a lot of selling of products on eBay. I had also dabbled with CafePress. Some of your listeners are probably familiar with that, making t‑shirts and things like that.</p>
[9:00] I had a good amount of success with it. I think the problem was the scalability with that type of business, that you definitely could make a living out of it, but you couldn&#8217;t scale to the point where it was something generally big.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [9:12] I see. So you wanted to not just have a job in selling whatever you were selling on eBay, you wanted to actually build an actual company out of products that you were selling.</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [9:22] Yeah, that was the ultimate goal. It was never about the money. I never really thought about that part of it. It was just basically I wanted to build a larger organization. That was the main goal.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [9:33] That makes sense ‑‑ the progression of your e‑commerce career or journey is that you start off with selling on someone else&#8217;s marketplace, like on eBay. Starting with something small, low overhead like CafePress and making t‑shirts aren&#8217;t probably nearly as much overhead as the business that you&#8217;re in today.</p>
[9:52] Do you find that that experience helped you? Do you recommend that other people that are just starting out or are considering selling in e‑commerce, do you recommend that they do start off selling something as simple as possible and learning from that before moving on to something else?</p>
[10:04] Or do you feel like the time you put into an eBay or a CafePress, you could equally put that same kind of time into building something larger, and it would be more beneficial going for the big fish rather for the smaller fish?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [10:18] I think the interesting thing about eBay, and even CafePress, is that you really learn a lot about taking care of customers, on a smaller scale of course.</p>
[10:27] But eBay, the nice thing about it is it forces you, especially in the older days ‑‑ I&#8217;m talking early 2000s, it was very important that you have 100 percent positive feedback, so customer service really was the focus of your operation ‑‑ getting the package out on time, getting the tracking on time, communicating with the customer, having the proper follow up.</p>
[10:48] It&#8217;s a lot of work to do those things, especially if you are one person doing it, but you learn that having happy customers, that builds into lifetime customers, and that amount of work you put into service makes you better. I&#8217;m proud of what we did on eBay, and that account is still active. We still use it today, even for EarthLED, and we&#8217;ve always had positive feedback.</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_right" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">Anyone can sell something, anyone can be good at selling something, but the customer service side is super important</div>
[11:11] It&#8217;s something that I think that learning that portion of it, the customer service portion, was something I&#8217;ve carried into EarthLED, and instilled with everyone who works here, that the customer service side really is our key aspect. Anyone can sell something, anyone can be good at selling something, but the customer service side is super important.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [11:32] I want to talk about that a little more. Once you get that sale, and you&#8217;ve shipped out the product, the packaging is fine, and it gets to the customer just fine within the estimated shipping time that you quote, and that process is fine, what do you do after that that really contributes to the kind of level of customer service that really makes a customer delighted and want to repeat purchase from you in the future?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [12:00] What we&#8217;ve been doing, we&#8217;ve been working really hard towards ‑‑ and I don&#8217;t think anyone&#8217;s ever perfect at it, is we&#8217;ve been trying to build an experience where someone can get the order as quickly as possible ‑‑ that&#8217;s the first step, be communicated with the entire time in that process, and then we do surveys.</p>
[12:17] At the end of every checkout, there&#8217;s a survey &#8220;How did you feel about the checkout process?&#8221;, and then we follow back up. We use a product called &#8220;Shopper Approved&#8221; that does that for us. After the person receives the product, within 30 days, they receive a survey from YOTPO, and they&#8217;re asked to rate the product and let us know what they think about the product.</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_left" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">&#8230;we really try to touch the customer as much as possible, make sure everything&#8217;s OK, make sure they&#8217;re happy with the product</div>
[12:35] We also have an ongoing series of emails, a product called RetentionGrid that really aim to monitor and gather feedback as to how we&#8217;re doing. So, I think, and again, we can always be better at this, I think that we really try to touch the customer as much as possible, make sure everything&#8217;s OK, make sure they&#8217;re happy with the product.</p>
[12:53] We also offer a 30 day money‑back guarantee, so if they don&#8217;t like the product after they receive it, it&#8217;s very simple. At the top of every one of our pages is a button that says &#8220;Easy Returns,&#8221; they fill out the form. Someone can return the product back to us. and we give them a refund. We try to make it as easy as possible to buy from us and to be happy with the purchase.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [13:12] These surveys that you send out to every customer, you&#8217;re saying that you ask questions about how easy was the checkout process. What other kind of key questions do you recommend other e‑commence store owners ask if they are also creating surveys for their customers?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [13:28] In some of the follow‑up emails we use through Retention, we actually ask, &#8220;Is there any product you&#8217;d like to see on our site,&#8221; just a general overall view of, &#8220;Is there anything we could be doing better?&#8221;</p>
[13:37] We try to get a lot of feedback about just how the website works in general, and we are redesigning our website based on a lot of the feedback we&#8217;ve received from customers over the past year. It&#8217;s our first major redesign in about three years, but a lot of that redesign is based on actual customer feedback that we&#8217;ve received.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [13:55] And these are all just through the surveys?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [13:57] Surveys, phone calls ‑‑ we are always trying to improve the process. I think one thing for any person, even if they spent a lot of time on it ‑‑ the first version was that I spent, like I said, two months of my life on that, but there was a lot of things that needed to change over time, and so you can&#8217;t be stubborn about it.</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_right" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">You&#8217;ve got to let the customers drive the experience because, ultimately, if you don&#8217;t let that happen, you&#8217;re going to fail</div>
[14:17] Even if you spent a lot of time on something, you might have to throw it out at some point because it just doesn&#8217;t work. Recognizing that it doesn&#8217;t work, and not being too proud to change it is, I think, a really important thing. You&#8217;ve got to let the customers drive the experience because, ultimately, if you don&#8217;t let that happen, you&#8217;re going to fail.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [14:34] That makes sense. I think that when we are starting off as entrepreneurs, we have this creative vision that we want to push forward and get it out there and really stick by it, but really, if you&#8217;re running a business, you should really think about, &#8220;What does the customer want? How you can improve it from the customer&#8217;s perspective?&#8221;</p>
[14:52] And kind of have your ideas sit, and take, if necessary, kind of a back seat, and really be open to hearing new ideas, and new approaches, and new changes that the customer wants you to make if your goal is to build a business that is going to be profitable and actually have a lot of customers.</p>
[15:10] I was looking up some information about you, and I found &#8220;Advanced Lumonics,&#8221; is that how you pronounce it?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [15:17] Yeah, that&#8217;s our parent company.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [15:18] And [inaudible 15:19] LED and a bunch of other companies. How many companies are you involved with, or do you have running, and how do you find the time to manage all these kind of entities?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [15:29] Advanced Lumonics is our holding company. It holds everything, so EarthLED is the prime layer for LED, the LED online store, and the LED division. We actually have an interesting product called ORBneXt that we launched on Kickstarter, and that&#8217;s a product that we built from the ground‑up.</p>
[15:50] It was kind of an interesting exercise for us. My father, my brother, run that site, and my parents also have a library management company. They make library management software, and we purchased that company, about two years ago now.</p>
[16:05] So actually my whole family is involved in the company now, so it&#8217;s quite interesting and quite fun to have everyone involved. That&#8217;s how we&#8217;re able to manage it. [laughs]
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [16:14] So you do have the business being run by your entire family, I think that I read that the original conception of the company was run by you, your father and your mother. Now what is it like starting a business with family?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [16:27] It think it can be a lot of different things. It depends how you want to do it. Obviously there&#8217;s a lot of stress involved in the beginning of starting anything, and doing that with family can raise that level as well.</p>
[16:43] But I think that we&#8217;re fortunate that we all get along very well, and we all had the same vision for it. I started it in my apartment, a very small 700‑square‑foot apartment, and then eventually things grew to the point that I took up most of my parents&#8217; house. They have a little building on the side of their house, we took up most of that and that thing just got so big, so I had to move out.</p>
[17:06] That was definitely a tough period for all of us because we were growing so fast. You don&#8217;t really know what the best choice is. You don&#8217;t want to maybe take on the expense of having a warehouse and we took the risk and did it and then eventually moved out here to Colorado.</p>
[17:24] I started in Florida, and we moved out to Colorado to an even bigger facility. Then we outgrew that facility, so now we actually have contracted warehouses where we store everything, so they&#8217;re able to grow as quickly as we are.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [17:36] I read also in one of your bios that you&#8217;re really kind of passionate and focused on the Internet of Things. I think that that&#8217;s very similar to, or at least the Kickstarter campaign that you guys launched ‑‑ ORBneXt now seems like it&#8217;s really now related to your passion for the Internet of Things.</p>
[17:54] First, what is the Internet of Things, and what is the ORBneXt project that you guys put out there on Kickstarter? 18:00</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [18:01] Internet of Things really categorizes anything that&#8217;s a device that is basically connected to the Internet. In the future we envision, and a lot of people see, the future as being basically everything will have intelligence built in to it, whether it be light switches, your thermostat, your air conditioning, anything will have intelligence so that it can be controlled, monitored, and basically its operation perfected, in terms of its efficiency.</p>
[18:29] ORBneXt is an interesting product, because it&#8217;s basically something that you put on your desktop, you connect it to your home WiFi, and then you can set it to display a variety of information.</p>
[18:42] For example, if you want to be notified when you get a new Twitter follower, you can have it glow a certain color. You can track stocks, so if a stock&#8217;s up it can glow green. If a stock&#8217;s down, it can grow red. It&#8217;s kind of an entry to the Internet of Things for a lot of people because it&#8217;s very friendly, very simple.</p>
[19:01] We were working with that type of technology for a while. We wanted to develop something that was interesting, mostly to see if we could do it, and so far it&#8217;s been a success. I think our next step with that is really answering the fact that we maybe want to build another e‑commerce operation that&#8217;s similar to EarthLED, but very focused on that type of product.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [19:21] That makes sense. Why did you guys decide to kind of go with Kickstarter to launch this campaign? You have businesses that are running. I&#8217;m sure you could have funded this yourself out of the businesses, but why go to Kickstarter?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [19:35] I think we generally wanted to see what the interest was, firstly. I think Kickstarter&#8217;s a great platform to do that. We actually, unlike, I think, a lot of things you see on Kickstarter these days, which have a lot of funding behind them before they even go on Kickstarter, we really didn&#8217;t have any extra funding to do it.</p>
[19:53] It was really a case where we just wanted to use Kickstarter as a method to not only gain some feedback about the product, but to really put it out there and get some publicity for it in addition to the funding.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [20:06] You guys started this Kickstarter in, I believe, early 2014, with the goal of raising $12,000. You kind of blew past that, almost double the original goal and raised close to $23,000.</p>
[20:19] Once you raised the initial $23,000 or received those preorders, what was the next step after reaching the funding, or going past the funding goal? What did you do with the funds?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [20:35] Again, unlike a lot of other Kickstarters, we knew we could do it if we had the funding, so once we had that funding, the first step was really easy. We put it into production, basically what we had done before Kickstarter was built a proof of concept, functioning prototype.</p>
[20:51] We had gathered all the costs that we were going to need to put our first batch into production, and so with that funding, that&#8217;s basically what we did. We just executed the plan we had developed where we made the prototype a reality.</p>
[21:02] I think a lot of times, products on Kickstarter don&#8217;t know the true, full cost. Our funding goal was quite minimal, but that&#8217;s really all we needed, because we knew that&#8217;s what we needed to make it happen.</p>
[21:12] Some of these projects, they raise a lot more, but then they still can&#8217;t even deliver the product. We just wanted to keep it very modest and honest. We delivered the product on time, and the product&#8217;s still sold today. For me, that&#8217;s a real success. I think everyone who participated in it was very happy with the process.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [21:31] With this kind of ORBneXt project and your goal of possibly creating an e‑commerce store around the Internet of Things kind of theme, and with EarthLED and all that, do you ever get worried that you might be spreading yourself too thin? Do you ever get maybe stressed out about having all of these different projects going on at one time, or is that how you like to fill your time?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [21:52] It&#8217;s definitely, definitely a lot at once, but I have a really good team behind me. If it was just me, yes, it&#8217;d probably be a huge problem, but I have a good team. We try to build smart processes from start to finish for everything, so I think that, although it is a lot, we&#8217;re able to do a lot with a small team.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [22:15] When you first started this out in 2007, the EarthLED business, did you know pretty quickly that it could become a full‑time business and you wouldn&#8217;t have to work for somebody anymore, you could work for yourself? Or how much time after initially starting before you realized, or before you could make it a full‑time job basically?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [22:37] The first year, I think we opened the store August of 2007. We really didn&#8217;t start getting orders until late August. The first year was pretty modest sales, I think somewhere under $30,000.</p>
[22:54] It wasn&#8217;t a lot, but then I really started focusing on search engine optimization, trying to get the name out there. Some bloggers actually picked up our product, did some press releases.</p>
[23:08] We really kind of snatched onto Earth Day. Earth Day is typically April 21 or 22 each year. That second year of our business, which was our first Earth Day, we did a promotion, re‑launched a product where we had some exclusivity and launched it to North American market.</p>
[23:24] Did a press release, got some real traction with that, and that&#8217;s around the time when I realized that this was going to have to become a full‑time job, just because of the volume we were pushing, and that&#8217;s really where we had explosive growth. We grew 8,000 percent in the first three years.</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_left" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">It was really not until maybe six months in that things started to really pick up. I think it&#8217;s a lesson for anyone, that you just can&#8217;t give up. But you also got to be smart about it.</div>
[23:38] It was really not until maybe six months in that things started to really pick up. I think it&#8217;s a lesson for anyone, that you just can&#8217;t give up. But you also got to be smart about it. You got to realize if something&#8217;s not working, you got to see maybe the reasons why it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [23:54] I think that&#8217;s the most difficult part for entrepreneurs is that you do kind of have to, I don&#8217;t want to say delude yourself, but you do kind of have to be more optimistic than maybe what&#8217;s realistic at first, just because you need to survive those, like you were saying, six months or maybe even a year where you&#8217;re not necessarily where you want to be.</p>
[24:15] Then you also have to be practical enough that you know when to kind of pivot or change direction. Not necessarily give up, but change direction. How do you handle that? How do you know when to stick it out and when to change course because things aren&#8217;t working? How do you determine when to do what?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [24:36] I think for us ‑‑ it was interesting. We did a major pivot in 2011 time frames.</p>
[24:45] When we started, we were primarily importers, so we would import all of our products from overseas. We weren&#8217;t really a distributor, so our position on the market was more as a manufacturer, because we would basically build products to our spec overseas, bring them in, and resell them.</p>
[25:01] In 2011, I started to realize that some of the major lighting companies were starting to really get involved in the business where they hadn&#8217;t been before. They weren&#8217;t really paying attention to LEDs.</p>
[25:12] I saw very quickly that they had more money than we would ever have, and I didn&#8217;t want to get destroyed in the marketplace by them, so we decided instead of working against the big manufacturers, we would join them and become a force to sell their products.</p>
[25:25] That was a complete change in our business, and we did that. As a result, 2010, 2011 were years where we had pretty flat gross, but we were in a major point of transition. We came out of that transition. I&#8217;d say really it was last year, was when we really started to see our gross accelerate again. We really became a force to be reckoned with in terms of being a distributor.</p>
[25:48] But it&#8217;s a whole different view of your business, all the different ways you run your business when you&#8217;re a distributor versus being a manufacturer per se. I recognized that you can basically know when your up against something that maybe you don&#8217;t have the funding to compete with.</p>
[26:02] For me it was really just a practical approach, that there&#8217;s no way we are going to be able to compete with these guys unless we are able to join them and work with them. I think to this day you can see that for us, the LEDt market is very commoditized now, so the people that are manufacturing products basically make no money, whereas people who sell them will always be able to make money. We&#8217;re always on the sale side, because it&#8217;s a good place to be.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [26:27] Right, that makes sense. And do you remember how much investment you had to put into the business back in 2007 before you were ready to start and selling even your first product?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [26:36] Yeah, basically, myself and my parents, we both put in about $14,000 each to start the company, which for me, it was a lot of money. It was something where the prospect of taking all of your savings and going into something where you&#8217;re not going to have a job. It&#8217;s a lot, but I think what I did, I know that I did differently than maybe some other people who maybe fail at, is I gave 100 percent.</p>
[27:05] I tell to everyone who&#8217;s thinking about starting a site, you got to be 100 percent into it and that means you might be working the 18‑hour days, seven days in a row. You might not be able to have friends. [laughs]
[27:20] You might not be able to spend time with people who you want to, so you have give everything if you want it to be a success and maybe I went a little bit too far in terms of that balance, but that&#8217;s the only way I knew how to do it.</p>
[27:33] I&#8217;m kind of an all‑or‑nothing person, so I did give 100 percent to it, and it turned out working, it worked out in the end, but I do know a lot of people who maybe don&#8217;t give a 100 percent to it, and that&#8217;s why I think it&#8217;s sad to see that sometimes.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [27:48] And was that $28,000 total that you guys put in?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [27:51] Yes&#8230;</p>
[27:52] [crosstalk]
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [27:52] Was that all going towards the actual manufacturing of the products ,or how did you spend that money?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [27:58] Since I do have an IT background I was able to do all the site design myself, all the photography and everything myself, so that was all basically free. Yes, that basically went into the first round of products and setting up simple things like shipping, supplies, and that sort, and buying, basically, inventory.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [28:15] You said that within your first year you did $30,000 in sales, which is obviously not nearly as good as you guys are doing today, but for somebody that is just starting out, doing $30,000 in sales in the first year is a pretty good milestone to hit.</p>
[28:33] How were you able to get those first sales to get to the first $30,000? What were you guys doing to drive traffic and to turn that traffic into customers?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [28:43] Well, I do have a background in SEO as well, so I think we were really well positioned so that when people would search for LEDs, people would find us organically, but then I did do a lot of paid advertising, a few Google AdWords, which was pretty early on in its evolution back then.</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_right" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">We also reached out to a lot of the green‑enthusiast blogging sites, and since we were one of the first, really, to sell the product, we were an interesting topic for people to discuss</div>
[29:02] We also reached out to a lot of the green‑enthusiast blogging sites, and since we were one of the first, really, to sell the product, we were an interesting topic for people to discuss, so I&#8217;m very thankful for a lot of those people who gave us a chance.</p>
[29:18] I&#8217;d send a lot of products out to them for them to review and take a look at, and that turned out to be a really good strategy. I think a lot of those things were a little bit easier for us because it was a market where there were so few people involved in it, and we were one of the first. I think a lot of our growth was very organic, but these days, since it is such a competitive market, we spend a lot of money on advertising.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [29:40] Yeah, in 2007 or early on, eight years ago, it was definitely a different time for online marketing in terms of, SEO was a lot easier to dominate than it is today, and since you guys have been doing this for eight years, you were telling me before the call that you were one of the first Shopify customers?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [29:59] Yeah, we were in the first 100. We&#8217;re the store number 87.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [30:02] That&#8217;s amazing. How have you seen see the e‑commerce market evolve over the years? What are some of the most dramatic changes that you&#8217;ve seen that have had the biggest impact on your business that you guys have to adjust to?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [30:17] I think that definitely at that time, companies like Home Depot or Wal‑Mart had basically zero online presence. Their online presence was minimal at best. I remember when I was in college, we did a case study on Home Depot, and our results of our case study where that Home Depot should open an online store because at that time they didn&#8217;t even have one.</p>
[30:39] The big players definitely have online stores. Amazon is definitely a big force to be reckoned with. They are a force that can help you and hurt you at the same time, and they&#8217;re very ruthless in their competition.</p>
[30:52] I think that for us it&#8217;s basically a matter of having to step your game up even beyond where it could be before [inaudible 30:60] . Online stores used to be so simple. It was just a picture, and it had a cart button and a rudimentary checkout form.</p>
[31:06] Now it&#8217;s building an actual virtual showroom. and that&#8217;s the tough part. There&#8217;s a lot of work that has to be done there in order to make it a really good experience.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [31:16] Yes, that makes sense. Are you doing things like selling on Amazon as well, or any other marketplaces other than eBay and your own Shopify site?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [31:25] Yes, we do some eBay and some Amazon, but not as much as we used to. We like and we think we want to drive as much traffic as possible to our store. We definitely do advertise on Amazon. I think that&#8217;s a good platform. I think that works really well.</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_left" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">The Amazon kind of product ads is a really good place to work, because if Amazon doesn&#8217;t have the product, it creates a page for that product. You can get a lot of traffic through there</div>
[31:40] The Amazon kind of product ads is a really good place to work, because if Amazon doesn&#8217;t have the product, it creates a page for that product. You can get a lot of traffic through there.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [31:52] I see. I&#8217;ve heard of this before. It&#8217;s basically you buy ads on Amazon, and if a customer on Amazon searches for a product that they don&#8217;t have in their catalog, immediately they would show an ad from advertisers like yourself?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [32:08] Yep, that&#8217;s right. It actually makes a product listing, and that listing actually goes into the search engines as well. Amazon&#8217;s link powers is unparalleled. I think those work really well, especially around some products that they don&#8217;t carry, but you&#8217;ve got to be very careful with them.</p>
[32:24] They will carry products once they find out they&#8217;re successful. so it&#8217;s very easy for them to be a competitor to you, but I think just their sheer size and speed at which they work is to their detriment compared to a company like us.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [32:39] That make sense.</p>
[32:40] Over the last eight years, you&#8217;ve done a lot of scaling up. What are some difficulties that you face that maybe you didn&#8217;t expect to face when you were scaling up your businesses from being in your apartment or just being in your parents house to just actually turning into a much more established business?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [33:00] The biggest issue I think we faced was the fulfillment side, because we carry so many different SKUs. It&#8217;s a difficult thing to get right. The first five years we tried to that ourselves, we would fulfill everything on our side by hand. [laughs] That was quite a daunting task, and running a warehouse is a very challenging endeavor for anyone, especially when you carry so many SKUs.</p>
[33:29] If you have an online store that has one or two SKUs, it&#8217;s fairly easy, but when you carry a variety of different things, especially things that looks the same but of different specifications, lets say like a different beam angle, but it looks physically identical, it was quite difficult to run a facility where mistakes are minimized, so we spend a lot of time working on that aspect.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [33:47] If you could go back, would you outsource fulfillment sooner than you ended up doing?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [33:55] Yeah, I think I definitely would have done that. At the same time we needed to have the team in place here, just the people. I was very fortunate to have hired people that understand fulfillment and logistics.</p>
[34:09] Without that kind of outsourcing, it becomes difficult as well, because you can outsource it, but then you still have some issues where you got to understand the logistics process to be able to guide those outsource warehouses to do the right thing. It&#8217;s not just outsourcing and forget about it. You got to have experts to still manage it.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [34:29] So, you&#8217;re thinking that if someone wants to consider outsourcing, you should still have somebody dedicated or a least a big part of their job is to manage the outsource‑fulfillments company that you guys are working with?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [34:42] Yeah, most definitely, especially if you have a lot of SKUs. If its one or two skews, I think that&#8217;s pretty manageable, but when you have four hundred plus like we do, it becomes very difficult.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [34:52] How many did you start off with?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [34:54] I think the initial batch, maybe was under 20.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [34:57] Do you find that was difficult to start off with 20? I know that a lot of stores today, especially in the Kickstarter world, is just one product that we sell, and then just to have a store up after Kickstarter campaign, and just sell that one product, maybe different variations of it. It&#8217;s really just one kind of solution.</p>
[35:19] What kind of approach would you recommend these days if someone was starting out? Do you recommend they do 20 like you did, or kind of what scale?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [35:27] It&#8217;s just the nature of our business where we got to have so many different types. Obviously, if you have a choice and you&#8217;re just going to pick something, it makes a lot of sense to pick something where you can have maybe less than five SKUs. That would be excellent.</p>
[35:41] It&#8217;s a good way to start at least, especially if you&#8217;re starting out, and you want to kind of get a feel for everything. If you jump in and try to want to manage one hundred to two hundred SKUs out of the gate, you&#8217;re going to have some problems.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [35:52] Now the wholesale business, was that something you guys started right off the bat?When did you introduce that into your business?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [36:00] Ever since the beginning, we have catered towards high‑volume sales, stuff that&#8217;s done off line in our case. We&#8217;ll get a contractor or a construction company, or a large company comes to us, and they want to do a large volume of product, either for their client or to retrofit their entire building.</p>
[36:22] We do have a thriving offline business, and always have since the beginning, where if someone wants to do a huge volume, we can facilitate that and quote them appropriately.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [36:34] Do you actively pursue that kind of business, or are they just finding your website and then reaching out saying they want to purchase a large order from you?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [36:43] We don&#8217;t do anything outbound, but what we do have on every single page is a button where someone can click if they want a volume quote. It&#8217;s our primary avenue to get that business, and then we take phone calls everyday, so everything is all pure inbound.</p>
[36:58] We don&#8217;t have any external sales people running trying to gain that business. We really don&#8217;t have to. Everything just comes to our side.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [37:05] I see, so it&#8217;s really something as simple as just having a link or button that says, &#8220;For the Wholesale Business&#8221; is enough to actually get customers for that line.</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [37:14] Yeah, I think for us that works. I think anyone who has an online store should definitely take a look at that possibility, where designing something as simple as an email form that pops up and they&#8217;ll ask someone to quote something of volume gives you a way to negotiate that business offline.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [37:30] I think that when we entrepreneurs are starting up a store, we kind of think that only consumer is an individual that&#8217;s buying the products, but you also have different size of customers like large businesses that want to buy from you wholesale, so it makes sense to have a way for them to easily purchase that from you as well.</p>
[37:53] How large is the team that works with you on all these businesses at this point?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [37:58] With EarthLED in Colorado, we have six people including myself, my father, my brother, and my mother. My father and my mother work out of Florida. My brother works out of Washington, and we have a couple of contractors that work with us on a lot of the hardware projects. Basically, it&#8217;s a team of nine people day in and day out.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [38:24] Other than your family, how did you know who to hire? How did you know what kind of job to hire for first, once you made first hire?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [38:32] It was a struggle, I mean when I moved out here is when we really did our first batch of hiring, and we ran into some struggles with that.</p>
[38:42] The first person I hired was one of our customers, so he came on board and hired a group of people. A lot of those people were family and friends of him, and some of those situations didn&#8217;t work out for the best, but some of them did.</p>
[39:01] We did a lot of hiring really quickly, and I wasn&#8217;t as hands on with that as I probably should have been, so that was the situation where we ran into some trouble. [laughs]
[39:15] Since then, I think our hiring process has been pretty straightforward and very tailored to what we&#8217;re looking for. We had to grow into a culture, per se, for a company, and we definitely have that now, so we know who to look for, who&#8217;s going to fit in with our culture.</p>
[39:33] I think until you find that, it&#8217;s very difficult to hire people, because you&#8217;re kind of all going different places, but I think right now we have a team where everyone&#8217;s focused and on the same path and wants the same things.</p>
[39:46] If I could do it again, I would definitely want to establish that culture earlier on so we&#8217;d know what we&#8217;re looking for.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [39:53] What positions did you hire for initially?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [39:56] Initially the biggest hiring portion was to staff the warehouse. We had to have four people in the warehouse, and then we needed inside sales, and we also, since we had an office environment, we had to have a receptionist. That was the initial batch of hiring when I moved out here.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [40:14] You mentioned that in terms with the apps that you guys use, you said YOTPO, Retention Grid, and also Shopper Approved. Are there any kind of apps or tools that you use internally even to help you run the business?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [40:27] Yes, in addition to that, we&#8217;ve developed a pretty proprietary system to both do fulfillment and to develop our ordering strategy and our inventory management. That&#8217;s been developed in‑house by our team here.</p>
[40:49] It&#8217;s a huge part of the business, because without that, we don&#8217;t know what, when to order it, and we also can&#8217;t get things fulfilled properly. That&#8217;s a lot of stuff we developed in here proprietary, and that&#8217;s been the biggest part of making things scalable over the last two years.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [41:06] So you said that you were going through a site redesign right now. Can you recall something that you&#8217;ve made a change to on the store itself, on the site itself, that has had a big impact on traffic or sales?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [41:18] Yes, we&#8217;ve been rolling out small changes, but the base what we do now ‑‑ the Volume Quote button I mentioned before was a huge addition. Now we&#8217;ve also built in some customized logic, so that if something is out of stock we can have someone be notified when it comes back in stock, and that&#8217;s through an app we use called &#8220;Back in Stock&#8221;.</p>
[41:47] We also have developed a strategy where we offer cases on products, so a case pack. It allows people to order a larger quantity at once, and that&#8217;s increased our average order value.</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_right" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">&#8230;reviews, that&#8217;s been a huge part&#8230; most of the products now have reviews, so you can see a star rating, and Google actually passes those to search results&#8230; it&#8217;s really a key part of the site</div>
[41:58] The reviews, that&#8217;s been a huge part, having the YOTPO reviews on every single product. Most of the products now have reviews, so you can see a star rating, and Google actually passes those to search results, so I think that&#8217;s a really nice thing to have. It&#8217;s really a key part of the site.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [42:16] Were you always using this kind of automated review system through YOTPO, or did you have a point in time where you didn&#8217;t use that and was just kind of waiting for customers to write reviews?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [42:25] We really didn&#8217;t have a review function until 2011.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [42:30] You saw a tremendous lift in the conversion rate or something on your site once you introduced that?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [42:35] Yes, it&#8217;s definitely helped, but it&#8217;s also, I think it helps legitimize the site more if you have reviews. A company like YOTPO is the good one because it&#8217;s all third‑party verified. It&#8217;s not something where it&#8217;s an automated system. They really help control spam, so it isn&#8217;t just bombarded with the spam bots all day long.</p>
[42:58] I think it helps legitimize the site, and really, the way Google shopping works now, it really requires you to have those reviews in place in order to help rank the results.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [43:10] The Google product listings, they also take in consideration the reviews that are on the products?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [43:17] Yeah, and the overall site itself. They pull that data from Shoppers Approved. The more ratings we have there, obviously the better it looks in Google shopping.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [43:28] Do you decide to discontinue some products based on reviews as well? What&#8217;s the process behind how you stock the store based on customer feedback?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [43:39] There has been cases where we very quick to add products, and some of our vendors are very quick as well to develop new products, so we always want to be the first to offer the product online, if it&#8217;s possible.</p>
[43:52] There have been cases where we&#8217;ve bought products and been the first, and we thought maybe the product was a good fit, but then we get reviews where the product isn&#8217;t so good. We&#8217;ve had to make a decision to cut the product. It&#8217;s not a product where we want to carry it anymore just because the customer experience had not been good enough.</p>
[44:11] Sometime we&#8217;ll get criticism, why do you only have four and five star reviews, and it&#8217;s because we really don&#8217;t want to carry any of the products. We take the products down, that&#8217;s aren&#8217;t good. If we get a spat of negative feedback on something, we won&#8217;t carry it anymore. We don&#8217;t want to carry something that&#8217;s not good.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [44:27] That makes sense.</p>
[44:28] I want to talk about three things that I noticed on your site that I really like. The first one is the top ten selling bulbs. How did you know to create this list? Was it customer feedback ,or what made you decide to add this page to your store?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [44:45] That, just one day I thought that might be an interesting addition. I know when I go to a site sometimes when I&#8217;m just shopping, I want to say, &#8220;Hey, what&#8217;s maybe the best selling product on a site?&#8221; Shopify makes it easy to do things like that so you can create something ‑‑ it&#8217;s pretty automated to track that data and display it to them. It was kind of no brainier for me to do something like that where people could see, &#8220;Hey, what&#8217;s everyone is buying?&#8221; basically.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [45:17] Also the bulb finder ‑‑ do you find that a lot of your visitors use that feature?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [45:27] Yes, we get a lot of people that use that. It&#8217;s a great way with this type of product. It can be a technical product. It makes it easy for someone, as long as they can use a camera, to get us a picture right from there to see what they might need and what fits for that application, because sometimes it&#8217;s difficult to describe something over the phone or by email, but this leave us a good way of doing it.</p>
[45:52] I think we&#8217;re one of the only people who do it this way. A lot of people try to build an automated system with logic to do it and then they&#8217;re relying on someone to have the time to do it and to really want to go through that process. This aims to make it as easy as possible.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [46:08] This is just for the audience that&#8217;s listening, so it&#8217;s basically a form that a visitor fills out that also asks them to upload a picture. What&#8217;s the picture of, their current bulb that they have that they want to replace?</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_left" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">&#8230;we just ask [you] to take a picture of what you&#8217;re wanting to replace and show us as much as possible&#8230; from there we&#8217;ll send you a link to what would be the best replacement for that particular product</div>
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<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [46:22] Yes, we just ask to take a picture of what you&#8217;re wanting to replace and show us as much as possible, and then from there we can try to, if we do offer something, we&#8217;ll send you a link to what would be the best replacement for that particular product.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [46:38] I really like that, I think because one of the activities that really make an online store standout is being able to emulate the actual experience of going to an actual store. If you go into a store like a Home Depot and you have a light bulb with you, you want somebody to help you out by showing them the light bulb that you have or that you want to replace.</p>
[47:00] Online, you have limitations, but this is, I think, a really great way to overcome that physical gap that you wouldn&#8217;t normally experience by going online rather than going into a physical store, so that&#8217;s really cool.</p>
[47:17] Thanks so much, Mark. Earthled.com is the website. So are than any other websites or projects or stores that the audience can check out for what&#8217;s coming next for that Kickstarter campaign? When is that product going to be sold, or where it&#8217;s going to be sold?</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [47:35] You can purchase the ORBneXt today at orbnext.com. That&#8217;s where you can buy them now, and our parent company is advancedlumonics.com.</p>
[47:49] [background music]
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [47:50] You can check out all of our new products there.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [47:52] Awesome. Thanks so much, Mark.</p>
<p><strong>Mark</strong>:  [47:54] Thanks a lot, Felix. Appreciate it.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Felix Thea</strong>:  [0:02] Hey, entrepreneurs. My name is Felix, I&#8217;m the host of the Shopify Masters podcast, and the founder of shopifymasters.org. Every single Monday, I put on a podcast interview with a successful Shopify entrepreneur for e‑commerce expert, to give you inspiration, motivation and actual tips to increase your traffic and sales, so your store can generate the sales you need to live the life you want.</p>
[0:24] Before we dive in, I just want to let you know that this podcast was made possible by two sponsors ‑‑ Soundest and Vantage. Soundest is an email marketing solution for your online store that will help you sell more through newsletters and marketing automation. Start right away, as there is no need to code, design or build anything ‑‑ it works right off the box. Go to shopifymasters.org/soundest, to get started today.</p>
[0:47] Vantage makes it excitingly easy to grow your retail store. Vantage tracks data metrics on a easy to navigate dashboard while delivering smart advice on key metrics that you can execute marketing campaigns on in just one click. Go to vantageanalytics.com to get started.</p>
[1:03] In this podcast, you&#8217;ll hear from an entrepreneur that beat his kick started goal by 400 percent, earns $3,000 a month from Amazon passively, and has sold over $100,000 in products in less than a year, working only 20 to 25 hours a week.</p>
[1:17] In this episode you&#8217;ll learn why he invested $10,000 into a product video and why you should hire a videographer, how to set up your site so that a video shows up in Facebook whenever someone posts a link to your site, and how having a kick started campaign can help you get free PR.</p>
[1:32] Today I&#8217;m joined by Bryan Gardner from FlyPedals.com. That&#8217;s F‑L‑Y‑ P‑E‑D‑A‑L‑S.com. FlyPedals are the simple, light weight, and affordable adapters that converts your road or mountain bike for a casual riding. It was started in 2014, and based out of Denver, Colorado. Welcome Bryan.</p>
<p><strong>Bryan Gardner</strong>:  [1:49] Hey. Thanks for having me Felix.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [1:51] Can you tell us a little bit more about your store, and what you sell on the store?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [1:56] Yeah. On FlyPedals.com which is my second e‑commerce store, we actually sell one product which is the original fly pedals. We&#8217;re developing more products right now that we&#8217;re going to launch this next summer, and we&#8217;re really excited about that. But so far we only sell one product which we like, but at the same time there&#8217;s a lot more money to be made.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [2:20] You&#8217;re saying this is your second e‑commerce store. What was your first attempt at e‑commerce?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [2:25] About five years ago I was working as a public accountant, and I&#8217;d always really liked the idea of being an entrepreneur. I really loved the idea of being an entrepreneur, but obvious it&#8217;s difficult with limited mentors in my community.</p>
[2:43] Not really knowing what to do other than the resources online, I found a product. I found a screen printing process, that I was able to print a glow in the dark material on t‑shirts. I just thought, it was really cool. I thought, &#8220;Hey, maybe I could sell a few hundred of these, and be a fun little project for me.&#8221; I did it, and I called it Lazer shirts, and set the website up, lazershirts.com, L‑A‑Z‑E‑R‑S‑H‑I‑R‑T‑S, and we did a Kickstarter, before Kickstarter was really popular.</p>
[3:17] We were successful. We raised, I think, about $9000 in the 30‑day period, and then within a few months later, caught the attention of Robert Croak on Silly Bandz, animal rubber band bracelets, which were really popular at that time. He became a partner of mine, and at that point, I had a functioning e‑commerce store. Wasn&#8217;t making a whole lot of money, but was making enough, where I could go to conferences and really get the whole experience of what it&#8217;s like to sell a product in any way.</p>
[3:53] Rob became my mentor in entrepreneurial, running these smaller companies, and things like that, because he&#8217;s probably had, I don&#8217;t know, 50 plus companies over the years. That got me hooked. Ever since then, I kind of been looking for my next products. As Lazer shirts kind of died off, and our interest&#8230;Rob and I, our interest in the product kind of died off. A friend of mine, close friend from Graduate School, Dan came to me with the idea of Fly Pedals, which was little over a year ago today.</p>
[4:25] We launched that in June, and that&#8217;s where I&#8217;m at now, and that product, obviously, took a lot more than Lazer shirts did, and that&#8217;s where I&#8217;m at right now.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [4:35] It seems that you hit out the park even with your first [inaudible 4:42] , especially getting a partner like that. What were you doing before e‑commerce, and how did you know what will sell ‑‑ what kind of store sell, what kind of product will sell?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [4:53] The short answer to that is when I first started, five years ago, I had no idea. I mean, everything I know now is directly from trial and error and failing. I really just don&#8217;t think to study this and do it right the first time, right off the bat. I think, you really just have to go for it, is my biggest suggestion to those who really want to start a store that haven&#8217;t, and maybe they&#8217;re afraid to. The best way to do that is to start with this limited amount of capital invested.</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_left" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">You&#8217;ll learn that the best way to sell your product is by&#8230; being active in the communities that your target audience is on, whether it&#8217;s social media, being featured on blogs, or maybe it&#8217;s going to conferences and selling it</div>[5:22] Do a Kickstarter if you can. Get on Shopify, because there&#8217;s such a small cost to get started. Learn as you you go. You&#8217;ll learn that the best way to sell your product is by going online, and being active in the communities that you&#8217;re target audiences on, whether it&#8217;s social media, being featured on blogs, or maybe it&#8217;s going to conferences and selling it, but there&#8217;s no automated solution to hiring someone, or some kind of software to really drive sales. I think you just learn that as you go.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [5:57] Yeah, that makes sense. Before you were able to able to launch the first story, and get that success with Kickstarter, what was the original goal or dream? Was it just to get the product out there, or did you have some kind of financial goals in mind before you guys started?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [6:15] I feel like the longer I work as an entrepreneur, I realize that you should really underestimate the amount that you&#8217;re going to sell. When I first started Lazer Shirts, my idea was, &#8220;Oh my God, I&#8217;m going to sell a million of these things! Right? I&#8217;m going to make $20 million in five years, or whatever it is,&#8221; and you make these unrealistic goals, because you think it&#8217;s possible because you have this rush of confidence after you sell your first 100 or 1,000 or whatever, units.</p>
[6:41] I think there&#8217;s that aspect of, now I realize my goals are more short sighted. I say, &#8220;OK, I&#8217;m going to sell a hundred a week, or a thousand a week, or whatever it is.&#8221; You set these goals that are more attainable. That way if you don&#8217;t hit them ‑‑ or I should say that way you can actually hit them and keep moving. Because if you don&#8217;t hit your goals, you get bogged down with your lack of confidence, and things like that.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [7:10] Yeah, that makes sense because most of the time people say that you should set large goals and aim really, really big. But then they don&#8217;t follow up with that advice, because not just that but then you have to set goals that are going to get you one step closer by next month to that big goal, rather than just think about the big picture all the time.</p>
[7:33] It sounds like that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re getting at, is that make sure that you keep the momentum going, because a big part of being an entrepreneur and being successful over time is just staying in the game, and doing the job. Then over time, that&#8217;s when success comes. That it&#8217;s not just an overnight success, it comes through repetition and working through the business. Let&#8217;s talk a little more about the product itself. Can you explain the problem that the Fly Pedals solves?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [8:05] Absolutely. I think it&#8217;s a niche product in terms of not everyone&#8217;s going to understand it, because it&#8217;s really a product for people who have clip less bike pedals, which is really big if you&#8217;re into mountain biking or road biking, but the general population of bicyclists might not have them.</p>
[8:23] What the problem is, is that clip less pedals, which allow you to mountain bike, or road bike, or even commute just more efficiently by being able to have a binding system to your feet. It&#8217;s a better product for really performance biking.</p>
[8:40] However, if you want to bike casually ‑‑ let&#8217;s say, I live in a metro area in Denver, and if I want to bike casually to the coffee shop, or even to an office or a co‑working space in Denver‑‑ I have to bring my bike shoes. Right? If I don&#8217;t want to bring my heavy stiff bike shoes, I&#8217;d have to bring my tennis shoes or sandals or whatever, and riding on the small, clip less pedals is not only uncomfortable, they&#8217;re not safe because you slip off of them.</p>
[9:09] They&#8217;re just not fun to ride on. Anyone with clip less pedals feels that pain point. Our product solves that problem by having a separate, affordable adapter that you can carry in your pocket, clip it on to your pedal, and now you&#8217;ve got a flat platform to use with your casual shoes.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [9:31] That definitely sounds like a problem. How did you know that that was a problem that people were going to pay you money to solve?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [9:38] We didn&#8217;t. That&#8217;s the excitement of creating these start‑ups. If you&#8217;re creating your own product, it&#8217;s kind of like, &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;ve got this crazy idea and I&#8217;d love to build this. I don&#8217;t know if anyone&#8217;s going to want this.&#8221; Obviously, you do your best to ask around, but most of the people you ask are going to have a relationship with you.</p>
[10:00] If they are your friends or family they might not be telling you the truth, or they might be ‑‑ just the fact that they like you ‑‑ they may even just be like, &#8220;Oh, that&#8217;s great,&#8221; it&#8217;s a really positive feedback always, and you don&#8217;t get that true negative feedback that you might, once you actually launch and you&#8217;ve got people all over the world criticizing your product. I guess the short answer is that [laughs] you never actually know until you launch.</p>
[10:25] The fact that we launched on Kickstarter last June, and I think we met our goal in 48, or maybe less than 48 hours, of $12,000 and continued on from there. That was an amazing 48 hours for us. You can imagine how happy you feel to have your idea from six months ago come to life, and how people are telling you that they want it, and they&#8217;ll pay for it, and it solves a problem in their life. It&#8217;s a very cool feeling.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [10:56] I do want to talk about Kickstarter in a bit, but just to close this out, it sounds like the problem you were solving ‑‑ was there a competition out there that was selling similar products, or solving it in a different way, and was that ever concerning to you guys?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [11:12] Yeah, there absolutely are other products out there, and that&#8217;s kind of how we created our product. We&#8217;re not claiming to be the ones that invented this thing, we&#8217;re not inventing the actual clip less adapter. We&#8217;re inventing a universal adapter. In other words, our product works with every clip less pedal, and the competitor&#8217;s only works with certain pedals.</p>
[11:37] Basically what we did is we marketed ourselves to be &#8220;the last platform pedal that you&#8217;ll ever need.&#8221; We come with a lifetime warranty, we&#8217;re made with aircraft grade aluminum. No other product comes close to us in terms of durability, the lifetime warranty, and the fact that it will work with every clip less pedal, forever.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [11:56] Earlier you were talking about how when you were first introducing this maybe friends and family weren&#8217;t giving you the raw unfiltered feedback that a paying customer would give you. Did you ever encounter those?</p>
[12:11] I guess you were saying that you were encountering situations where people weren&#8217;t necessarily a hundred percent happy with the products, or they didn&#8217;t necessarily believe in the vision early on. Was that ever something you struggled with ‑‑ trying to get past those doubters, or get past the doubt in your own mind?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [12:28] Absolutely. I wouldn&#8217;t say that it was a huge struggle, but there definitely were people ‑ mostly people that maybe weren&#8217;t close friends of mine, that maybe I have a community online that I talk to to throw ideas out at. It was like, &#8220;Well this might not be a good idea for these reasons.&#8221;</p>
[12:49] Then for me, just as an entrepreneur, I think a lot of entrepreneurs might be stubborn and hard headed, I kind of just said, &#8220;Well, I don&#8217;t care if you don&#8217;t like it, I think a lot of people do like it and I &#8216;m going to build it anyways.&#8221; That&#8217;s the case now. There&#8217;s definitely people who aren&#8217;t going to care for this product for one reason or another. To have a product with a hundred percent positive feedback is very tough and I think that for us to get 95 percent positive feedback is great.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [13:18] What did you do to get your first 10 sales after Kickstarter was finalized? When you set up your own Shopify store, how did you drive traffic to it, and turn those first 10 customers into actual purchasers?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [13:32] That&#8217;s why I love Kickstarter so much. We didn&#8217;t really have to do anything. The first three months after Kickstarter had ended we were still just riding that wave of blog posts that we had reached out to from Kickstarter.</p>
[13:46] My strategy that I&#8217;ve learned from Fly Pedals and I&#8217;ll continue on if and when we do more Kickstarter campaigns, whether it&#8217;s for Fly Pedals or another brand, is that you pre‑load all of your work. You spend all of your 120 hour weeks that you do working overtime, you do that before the Kickstarter launches, and during the Kickstarter campaign.</p>
[14:10] That way once the Kickstarter campaign is launched and over with, those next few months you can focus on creating that really good customer service, and fulfilling the orders, and reaching out to wholesalers. Selling stuff outside of online, which is also an important part of building a sustainable business. Eventually, any great online store, the traffic will die down eventually. You have to focus on building up revenue streams other than in just your online store.</p>
[14:40] Which is why we started going to Interbike, and we&#8217;re going to be going to other outdoor conferences this year. To answer your question, I think that driving traffic, really we just focused on any blogs that we missed from Kickstarter, but mostly going back to the blogs that had posted us during our Kickstarter campaign. Maybe commenting, and talking to community forums on blogs that we already were a part of, to sell more on the ones that already worked.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [15:12] Let&#8217;s actually look at the Kickstarter. You set a goal of $12,000. Really surpassed it by raising almost $50,000. This was in 2014. Why did you decide to turn Kickstarter rather than borrow money from friends and family to start the business?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [15:31] I think it&#8217;s a no‑brainer. I could probably go on and on about why I think Kickstarter is a much better platform. For one, you definitely don&#8217;t have to give up any equity. You&#8217;re not taking debt out at a percentage interest rate. Not only that, but you&#8217;re getting exposure because bloggers and social media influencers and all those types of ways that you&#8217;re going to be featured on the web, they want to post a Kickstarter campaign.</p>
[16:00] They don&#8217;t care about launching a website, and then saying, &#8220;Hey, I just launched a new website. Check it out and post it on your blog.&#8221; There&#8217;s not the emotional, sentimental value that you get from a Kickstarter campaign. I&#8217;ve backed probably 50 different Kickstarter campaigns over the last two or three years. I just really enjoy helping out the little guy. I love helping out ‑‑ the fact that someone had a really cool idea and they executed it really well. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m giving them money. You&#8217;re going to sell a lot more during that Kickstarter campaign than you are in a general month until you really become a sustainable business, in my experience.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [16:41] It definitely sounds like having the Kickstarter story is more of a story, and it adds things like it&#8217;s a current event that&#8217;s happening, because it&#8217;s going on right now. There&#8217;s urgency because the time is limited, if you wanted to participate in it. Did you rely heavily on the Kickstarter story when you were going out to pitch at blogs and other publications?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [17:08] Absolutely. We still do. I think that a lot of having a new product is you have to validate the product. Because the first thing that people will see, if you don&#8217;t have a Kickstarter ‑‑ the first thing they&#8217;ll ask is, &#8220;Well what are your sales?&#8221; Or, &#8220;Who&#8217;s buying this thing?&#8221; If they don&#8217;t ask you, that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re thinking.</p>
[17:27] Kickstarter puts it out there publicly. You don&#8217;t have your sales from your Shopify dashboard posted to your website, but Kickstarter has it right up there. &#8220;Oh, these guys, obviously if they can bring in 1,200 customers in 1 month on Kickstarter there&#8217;s obviously a market for this.&#8221; Right?</p>
[17:46] That&#8217;s what we do for bike shops, we say, &#8220;Hey, here&#8217;s our coupon codes for our wholesale websites, buy us online.&#8221; They originally were asking for&#8230;or they might criticize and say, &#8220;We don&#8217;t really think there&#8217;s a market for this.&#8221; We&#8217;ve had a few shops say that. We come back at them and say, &#8220;We launched our Kickstarter and there&#8217;s people all over the world that do want this.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [18:09] Can you walk us through how you write this kind of pitch, maybe in email format to somebody, if you have a Kickstarter that&#8217;s going on at the moment? How do you make it compelling enough to the blogger or the publication, that it&#8217;s a story worth covering?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [18:24] I&#8217;d be lying if I said that I was an expert at that, because I&#8217;m still working on the best ways to do that, and the reason is is that every blogger is a little bit different. I think a lot of people will tell you that reaching out to bloggers has a low conversion rate.</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_right" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">&#8230;we do email bloggers, but we don&#8217;t focus on that primarily. What we focus on is creating content so good&#8230; it&#8217;s a small amount of content that explodes off the page</div>[18:39] The answer that I would give is that we do email bloggers, but we don&#8217;t focus on that primarily. What we focus on is creating content so good, in terms of it&#8217;s a small amount of content that explodes off the page. When you go to our Kickstarter, you go to our website you know right away, if you&#8217;re the bicycle industry if you&#8217;re in the auto industry, you know right away what we are and why we are interesting.</p>
[19:07] When bloggers see something about us online, they do it naturally. All the blogs that we&#8217;ve been featured on, I don&#8217;t even think we&#8217;ve reached out to any of the major ones that really helped boost our sales. Actually, I will let you right now they were originally during the Kickstarter campaign organic. We didn&#8217;t reach out to bloggers at all until about third or fourth week for Kickstarter.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [19:30] That&#8217;s interesting there, those levers of organic and it wasn&#8217;t just you guys pushing it out there. But you&#8217;re basically saying that your content marketing is to build content that really tries people to share and tries to check out your store and eventually if they purchase. How do you know what to actually create? What kind of content to create?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [19:54] I think in my experience, the best content is a really great video and I always recommend going above and beyond if you&#8217;re going to do a Kickstarter campaign or if you&#8217;re going to do a big launch. Make a really professional video with really talented videographers.</p>
<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_left" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">our only successful paid advertisement is our video</div>[20:08] The reason I say that is because not only are you going to get a multiple of the sales on Kickstarter of what you would get with an amateur video or a video that you&#8217;re doing yourself, but you also can cut that video and make a commercial that you can later use for what we do now, which is a though viewed ads on YouTube and Facebook video adds which have been our most successful ‑‑ our only successful paid advertisement is our video.</p>
[20:33] The click ads just don&#8217;t work for us but our video ads had an amazing inversion rate. We&#8217;re literarily still riding the wave of doing Facebook and through view video ads.</p>
[20:44] I think the content in the video is the most important part and then obviously, more of a common knowledge thing, what people see before the fold on your website. What you&#8217;re putting on your campaign on your website, it could be taken off because you can think of it as high value real estate.</p>
[21:06] Whether it&#8217;s before the folder even just down the page. There&#8217;s things down there you want to leave out. The things you leave out are just as important as the things you put on there.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [21:16] I see a huge video on the boarder fold when you get FlyPedals.com and definitely stands out. It looks like something that I want to click and watch before I even scroll anywhere else.</p>
[21:29] When it comes to actually creating a video, how involved do you need to be in that process? Because me think of myself as an entrepreneur, if I follow your advice and I go out and start thinking about creating a video, it sounds like such a daunting task. How do I even get stared with getting a professional video made?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [21:49] It really is like choosing a partner, a business partner because we reached out to a lot of different videographers in the area until we found the right one. The people we used are like media group in Denver. Their videographer had special and outdoor sports.</p>
[22:06] He got along really well with my business partners and I. He had a great vision for what we were doing but also, the thing that was really important was, he was willing to work on contingency from our Kickstarter campaign because he believed in our product.</p>
[22:24] My advice is don&#8217;t think of the video as a monetary expense. If you can sell somebody, and partner with somebody to share that risk in the video then, pay a little bit more on the back end but there&#8217;s little or no risk engaging someone that is invested and making the video. I think that&#8217;s why our video turned out so well.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [22:45] Interesting there. I never really thought about taking that approach where you cannot pay upfront but maybe, if this takes off, they can make more money that way as a videographer. If someone is starting out and they needed to pay for a videographer and they were weighing the difference between whether they should invest a lot in paid advertisements or paying someone to work on their CO.</p>
[23:11] How much of a budget are we talking about a great video that&#8217;s worthy of being on a Kickstarter page?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [23:16] Our video ended being about $10,500.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [23:20] That means that&#8217;s a big chunk of the Kickstarter campaign. Because it&#8217;s that amount, how much do you usually bring to the table like you usually do preparation to say, &#8220;I want this done. I want that done.&#8221; Or did it really work with you to figure out how this all should be done, how the video should play out, the story behind it and everything?<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_right" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">Mickey the videographer made it into something that was phenomenal rather than just ordinary, more humorous: something that was &#8220;shareable.&#8221;</div>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [23:41] I will like to say that I had a big part in the video script and all that stuff, but the reality is that I had an idea and Mickey the videographer really chopped it up and made it into something that was phenomenal rather than just ordinary. He turned it into a more humorous&#8230;he made it a funny video, something that was a little bit more, what I like to call &#8220;shareable.&#8221;</p>
[24:05] Having someone that does video every day of their life, they&#8217;re obviously going to be more talented than someone like me. I&#8217;m doing e‑commerce sales ads all day and maybe creating products 20 percent of the time. But he&#8217;s doing videos 100 percent of the time. Obviously, I entrusted him.</p>
[24:22] Like I said, you got to pick the right person. Just because you&#8217;re talented videographer depends on the industry you&#8217;re in. If the product that you have is completely different, then something that he or she might work on and it might not be a good fit.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [24:38] To find a good videographer is what you&#8217;re saying is that you want somebody that has done something similar in the past or has worked in the put‑shot videos in the similar industry or same industry.</p>
[24:53] Is there anything else that really stood out to you about when you&#8217;re are looking at videographers and really needs to say, &#8220;I&#8217;m going to go with this one because of this reason&#8221;?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [25:01] I don&#8217;t think it was that. I think it was pretty natural, we knew about it. They were the third or fourth people we had talked to and second person we had met with in person and it was very natural.</p>
[25:12] We&#8217;re great friends now even in the [inaudible 25:20] . Work together, I see him a couple of weeks here working on different projects and did some consulting for his clients as well.</p>
[25:24] It&#8217;s just like networking. You got to pretty much get out there and meet with a handful of people. That might not even be that third or fourth person you meet, it could be the 20th person. It&#8217;s your product and you want to make it the best it can be, so get out there and shake hands with people.</p>
[25:41] It&#8217;s almost always free to consult with videographers in your area so that&#8217;s what I would recommend doing.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [25:48] That makes sense. For your Kickstarter campaign, you guys raised or set a goal, $12,000. How did you figure out how much to set as a goal? Were you surprised by how much you were able to raise above that goal?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [26:06] I can talk about the pricing a little bit more later for Kickstarter. That&#8217;s a whole separate thing. The $12,000 that we did ask for was our goal amount, was for the tooling for the die cast mold from the manufacture. That&#8217;s how we set that number.</p>
[26:20] In hind sight, we probably would have asked a little bit more, but I can get into that later. We had passed our goal in the first 48 hours. That was a phenomenal feeling and we were analyzing, &#8220;OK, where are sales coming from? Is it because of the video?&#8221; If so, we figured out that it was because of the video. Almost everyone had watched the video, if not everyone.</p>
[26:44] Therefore, we started pushing our embedded video link on Facebook and that&#8217;s how we started selling more on our website. The embedded linking was allowing [inaudible 27:00] by pushing Facebook ads with [inaudible 27:05] embedded video link were allowed to drive traffic to our website and we were making more money from the website that we were on Kickstarter because we&#8217;re not paying 90 percent Kickstarter fee and all that.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [27:15] You had the site up at the same time that you were running the Kickstarter campaign?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [27:18] Yeah. I highly recommend anyone that does a Kickstarter campaign to have a presales website. You don&#8217;t want to be selling the product obviously if it&#8217;s not already inventoried yet. But had the website up on Shopify, preselling them on the Shopify store.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [27:43] How did you know to come up with the different packages that you are offering on the Kickstarter campaign?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [27:49] Ours was pretty simple. [inaudible 27:54] the hindsight there. We would have done a little differently on a higher price point just because I think that as someone doing a Kickstarter campaign, you feel like you should be discounting it because that&#8217;s the value of someone that might go to the Kickstarter and buy from you.</p>
[28:11] But there reality is that they&#8217;re not buying it because they&#8217;re going to get a discount. They&#8217;re buying it because they like your story and they like your product. My biggest advice is to stop discounting your products.</p>
[28:20] We don&#8217;t really discount our products at all on website or through our manufacturers. We have an agreement so they can&#8217;t discount it with the exception of, they get a 10 percent discount if they share us on Facebook through the coopt app.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [28:35] You talk about that app in a bit. Or do you want to talk about this excessive [inaudible 28:44] though. The campaign launched in middle of 2014, you guys were almost wrapped up at the same time. Since then, is now a full time job for you to run this business? How much have you done in revenue since then?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [28:54] Yes. The first six months that we launched, about 100,000 just through our website that&#8217;s in addition to the wholesales orders that we did and then working with the shipping. We realize that we really wanted to focus on the retail side rather than the distribution because obviously, there&#8217;s much higher profit margin here.</p>
[29:12] We did about 100,000 in the first six months and we&#8217;ve continued to have a steady income. Actually, our Amazon site now pulls in about $3,000 a month, which is great. Hopefully, that continues to grow.</p>
[29:26] Anyways, other than that our online sales are growing about 10 percent a month. That&#8217;s with myself and my partner Dan working about 20 to 25 hours a week each, during various things. He usually handles more the logistical customer service side and I&#8217;m handling more of the sales and marketing side.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [29:45] That&#8217;s amazing, 100,000 since then. You said Amazon accounts for 3,000 at the moment. How much work goes into running an Amazon camp, or running an Amazon listing? Is it all organic traffic or you got to put a lot of work into pushing people to purchase with Amazon?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [30:00] Right now, we do literarily zero hours a week and it&#8217;s bringing $3,000 a month. There&#8217;s probably a strategy and it&#8217;s one of those things where we just started selling on Amazon three months ago and I haven&#8217;t really dove in that much. I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s way you can be sponsored, post and things like that.</p>
[30:19] Advertising is one Amazon but as of right now, we don&#8217;t do any sales. We don&#8217;t do any marketing on Amazon and everything that we do in terms of marketing our product is all driven to flypedals.com.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [30:34] That&#8217;s awesome. You&#8217;ve had success with this store. I want to talk about the app that you&#8217;ve created since having success with the store. Can you tell us the more about the coopt app that you have?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [30:49] Absolutely. Most of the success of Fly Pedals was because we had that great video. A lot products do have, if there&#8217;re hero image which is a product that they have a price of media that they have, that has a much higher conversion rate than other photos or videos that they might have.</p>
[31:07] What I ended up doing was building a Shopify app called coopt, C‑O‑O‑P‑T that allows customers to get a discount or they get a cash back of usually 10 to 20 percent. It&#8217;s up to the store owner to decide the amount of cash back. They get a discount for posting the embedded link on Facebook.</p>
[31:31] For Fly Pedals for example, customers go to checkout and they&#8217;re offered 10 percent to share our video on Facebook. It&#8217;s a one‑click type of process so there&#8217;s no risk of being incard or anything like that. You click &#8220;Share&#8221; and you&#8217;re back on the checkout page.</p>
[31:51] The customer saves 10 bucks and what we see is you&#8217;ll see a customer maybe from Seattle for example that buys and used the Cooped app. In the next three days, three of their friends will buy it because they saw the video.</p>
[32:07] That all depends on the customer. Not everyone has a big Facebook market, or a Facebook network, but generally, we&#8217;ve seen one to two sales on average from everyone that used the Cooped app, which is phenomenal return on investment because it&#8217;s costing us less than six bucks usually to pay for that endorsement.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [32:30] That&#8217;s amazing. How did you know to create an app like this? Was it coming out of a need that you had?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [32:37] Yeah. I had tried the affiliate programs, like offering a customer at checkout, hey, if you share this affiliate link and someone buys, we&#8217;ll give you 5 dollars or 10 dollars or whatever it is percentage of the sales.</p>
[32:52] I liked that model a lot. I thought that was really cool. The problem is the conversion rate&#8217;s so low because customers don&#8217;t really care to share something. They endorse this product, and they might not see any money.</p>
[33:05] If they do, it&#8217;s like a few days or even a week later. I wanted to cut that whole thing out. If there&#8217;s a value in posting my embedded link to Facebook, then I&#8217;ll just pay you right now. Some, I&#8217;ll take a loss on, but generally, I&#8217;ll make money on it.</p>
[33:21] If you can maximize your embedded link by posting, like I said, a hero image or a video that has a high conversion rate, then it makes even more sense because you&#8217;re going to have a much higher return on your investment there.</p>
[33:33] Anyway, I liked these affiliate marketing apps on Shopify a lot, but there wasn&#8217;t something that really appealed for my interests, especially since the cost of a lot of those affiliate programs are either high monthly fee or they&#8217;re just expensive from a per use fee.</p>
[33:51] I built something. I had my, &#8220;Aha, moment,&#8221; where I wanted to build something, and I realized it actually isn&#8217;t being done anywhere. It wasn&#8217;t being done on any other platforms. There&#8217;s a couple of Fortune 500 companies that use it, I think, but the small guys don&#8217;t really have that tool.</p>
[34:10] I built it, and I&#8217;ve been&#8230;I launched it, let&#8217;s see, in February earlier this month and had a pretty fast start. I&#8217;m actually already building an update based on some feedback from our current customers. I&#8217;m really excited as to what we can do and what we will do over the next few weeks here.</p>
[34:27] We&#8217;ll get out of the beta testing mode this week.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [34:31] Are there any other apps or tools that you use to run your business?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [34:34] Nothing that really&#8230;we&#8217;ve used shipping apps, like Shippo and the standard ones. For marketing, we really don&#8217;t. We use the Google shopping app, but I think we&#8217;re having issues with it right now for some reason.</p>
[34:48] Nothing that&#8217;s really seamless that we use every day. I could probably pull up, but I don&#8217;t really think&#8230;yeah, we use Quantity Breaks and the Facebook store app, persistent cart app, and product reviews. That&#8217;s all we use.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [35:04] Those definitely help you run a business without having a team. Do you have employees that you&#8217;ve hired since launching the store or the app?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [35:15] I don&#8217;t have employees. I have a team of five that I hired on a contract basis for the app.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [35:22] In terms of the actual store or maybe in the Kickstarter page or campaign, are there any changes to your store that you&#8217;ve had or changes to implementation that you&#8217;ve put into the Kickstarter campaign that you think have had the biggest impact to your traffic or sales?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [35:39] Any changes to the Kickstarter campaign? We didn&#8217;t really change a whole lot. The store has gone through a little bit of a facelift but nothing too transformational. You mentioned right away you see the video.</p>
[35:52] Right when you load flypedals.com, and that used to be a slide deck with photos. We cut that all out because why put&#8230;one of those photos or video is going to be more&#8230;it&#8217;s just going to be better than the other videos, so why put all of them there when you can just put the best one there?</p>
[36:09] There reality is that this may be a theory, but people have a short attention span when they&#8217;re online shopping. If they&#8217;re looking for something, they usually know what they want to buy. There&#8217;s no point of wasting their time with extra stuff.</p>
[36:27] Make it as short and sweet as possible. One of the things we did was we used to have affiliate links, Amazon affiliate links, to buy pedals, clip less pedals, on our site. We just realized we weren&#8217;t converting enough.</p>
[36:41] We were only making $100 a month, but it was taking up real estate on our website. We took that off, and I think we have had a slightly higher conversion rate there. I don&#8217;t know exactly the dollar amount, but it has been a little bit better since we removed those.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [36:57] One thing I notice on your site is that there&#8217;s animated gifs all throughout it. I think that&#8217;s really cool, too. It goes along with your plan to really focus on having rich content rather than just text. I really like that implementation.</p>
[37:16] Is that something you found somewhere else and decided to bring over to your store or to your site? How has if affected other sales or maybe keep people on the page itself?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [37:27] I think it&#8217;s a product. It&#8217;s a product‑specific strategy because if you&#8217;re selling dog treats, for example, you don&#8217;t need a gif, right? There&#8217;s no reason to show. People know what dog treats are for. There&#8217;s a learning curve.</p>
[37:46] When people find what we have, they don&#8217;t need to see exactly how it works because it&#8217;s not something that really exists at least very common that&#8217;s out there. We needed to show a gif. If they don&#8217;t want to click on a video, &#8220;Well, hey. We&#8217;re going to show you a gif to show you exactly how it works.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [38:01] You were saying before that videos on Facebook are some of the biggest drivers of traffic to your store. Can you talk a little bit about how to get started with something like that or maybe some tips on how to do it well and get conversions from the video to actually people coming to your site?<div class="mks_pullquote mks_pullquote_left" style="width:300px; font-size: 24px; color: #ffffff; background-color:#000000;">maximize conversion through embedded links on Facebook: change the meta tags in your website HTML to make sure that when your website is posted on Facebook it’ll pull up an embedded link&#8230; a Hero image or Hero gif or Hero video</div>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [38:18] Absolutely. I&#8217;m actually in the process of writing a blog post for the Shopify blog to talk more about how to maximize conversion through embedded links on Facebook. The best way to do that is to change the meta‑tags on your website HTML to make sure that when your website, www.whatever.com, is posted on Facebook it&#8217;ll pull up an embedded link.</p>
[38:46] Depending on where your meta‑tags are set on your website, it&#8217;ll pull up certain images. What I was saying before, you want to make sure that every time it&#8217;s pulling up that Hero image or that Hero gif or that Hero video. For us we set it to our video.</p>
[39:02] My number‑one suggestion to people to get more conversion through Facebook&#8230;and I&#8217;m sure it translates into other social media as well. Just Facebook has been the most successful for us, so that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m saying this.</p>
[39:15] Anyways, you need to change the meta‑tags so that it pulls up that Hero image every time or the video. You can follow instructions through the Facebook developers&#8217; site. There&#8217;s a best‑practices on how to do that if you just Google that or have a developer or your tech person set that up.</p>
[39:36] That&#8217;s my biggest advice. It&#8217;s something that can be done in 10 minutes and will certainly get you more sales if you&#8217;re being featured or creating ads on Facebook.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [39:46] Awesome. Thanks so much, Bryan. Getcoopt.com. That&#8217;s the app. That&#8217;s GetCoopt.com. Flypedals.com. F‑L‑Y‑P‑E‑D‑A‑L‑S.com. Are there any other places that anybody could check out if they want to follow your store, follow your journey, or just learn more about the products that you&#8217;re selling?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [40:05] You can follow us on our Fly pedals Facebook page. I just started Twitter for Coopt. @CooptApp is my new Twitter account, but I just started a few days ago. [laughs] I don&#8217;t have too many followers yet.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [40:20] Awesome. If someone out there is trying to produce their own products and manufacture them like the kind of path that you took, was there anything that you ran into? Any difficulties that you ran into that you didn&#8217;t expect initially when you first got started?</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [40:37] I think that if you are going to manufacture a product or design a product, there&#8217;s a lot of different stages from obviously designing it if it&#8217;s a physical product to putting it into whether there be a [inaudible 40:54] model, choosing the right type of materials that you choose. There&#8217;s a lot of different expertise that goes along with that.</p>
[40:55] I have none of those things. The reason that we were successful in this and with Lazer shirts as well is it&#8217;s really important to be patient and pick the right people or the right team, because you can&#8217;t just have yourself putting on all the different hats and designing all the little pieces of the project.</p>
[41:14] You need to find people online, but don&#8217;t always choose the first person that gives you a bid. Really reach out and network. Think of it as a networking strategy rather than just calling up the local manufacturing shop, just asking what the quote is, and then going with them.</p>
[41:31] Get 12. Get 24 different quotes. You&#8217;ve really got to be patient with it, and pick the right team. It&#8217;s just like picking a business partner.</p>
[41:40] [background music]
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [41:40] Awesome. Thanks so much, Bryan.</p>
<p><strong>Bryan</strong>:  [41:41] Thanks, Felix.</p>
<p><strong>Felix</strong>:  [41:42] Thanks again to our sponsors, Soundest and Vantage. If you&#8217;re looking to step up your email marketing or really understand how your visitors are using your site, go to ShopifyMasters.org/soundest or VantageAnalytics.com.</p>
[41:55] You can also check out the podcast show notes at ShopifyMasters.org/34 to get access to the links, apps, resources, and learn more about the sponsors mentioned on today&#8217;s podcast.</p>
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		<title>Build your email list using these 7 simple techniques</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Sim]]></dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[email marketing]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Email &#8211; an unnecessarily cluttered space or the most effective way to convert your leads? In some ways, both. Email marketing is tricky because it gets a bad reputation among users who are constantly spammed by bad email. But not all email is bad, and certainly not all email is useless. Did you know email [&#8230;]</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Email &#8211; an unnecessarily cluttered space or the most effective way to convert your leads? In some ways, both. Email marketing is tricky because it gets a bad reputation among users who are constantly spammed by <strong>bad email</strong>. But not all email is bad, and certainly not all email is useless. Did you know email is still <a href="http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/marketing_sales/why_marketers_should_keep_sending_you_emails">nearly 40 times more effective in acquiring customers than that of Facebook and Twitter combined</a>?</p>
<p>With the importance of email in mind, it’s important for businesses to have a strong list of relevant leads that can be nurtured into future customers. However if your business doesn’t already have a strong email list, it can be difficult to grow one from scratch. Especially because <a href="http://www.hubspot.com/database-decay">email lists decay at about 22.5% per year</a>, meaning the contacts you gained 5 years ago from a large trade-show are most likely no longer valid.</p>
<p>Wondering where to begin? Here’s our top seven tips on how to grow a healthy email list:</p>
<p><strong>1) Be clear with expectations </strong>&#8211; No one likes being “tricked” into giving their email away, and then receiving spam afterwards. On your website forms, make it explicitly clear that the user is opting-in to your marketing emails. Or, even better, allow them to choose what sort of emails they will receive from your business.</p>
<p><strong>2) Provide Opportunities </strong>&#8211; Anytime you’re giving away content, ebooks, doing webinars, etc &#8211; make sure you’re capturing lead information so you can grow your email list with relevant contacts who are already interested in what your business can offer.</p>
<p><strong>3) Use the Channels you have </strong>&#8211; If you have a presence on social media, a strong blog, or do a monthly webinar &#8211; make sure you also are linking to Lead Generation offers with CTAs, links, or even subscription forms. It’s free real estate you should be using!</p>
<p><strong>4) Run an opt-in campaign </strong>&#8211; Remember that rusty old email list we were talking about before? Running an “Opt-In” campaign is a great way to re-engage with this audience simply by saying:  “We have you in our database but haven’t communicated in a while, would you like to opt-in to our email communication?” This is a great, straightforward way to build a stronger list.</p>
<p><strong>5) Add Value in your communication</strong> &#8211; Sending email for the sake of it is how email got a bad reputation in the first place. Promote something useful, educational, industry-specific, or free in your emails to prospects. The idea is to <em>nurture </em>them into using your business because you have shown your business is reputable, knows it’s stuff, and is relevant to their interests.</p>
<p><strong>6) Simple and Straightforward &#8211;</strong> Receiving an email should not be a puzzle or some sort of cryptic message that needs to be decoded. If you’re reaching out to a contact, make sure it’s very clear why and what they should do with that information. One of the best tips here is to add some sort of CTA (Call to Action) that instructs the reader where to go from here.</p>
<p><strong>7) Allow your recipients to unsubscribe</strong> &#8211; I know this sounds counter-intuitive, but let’s face it: if your leads aren’t interested right now, what is the point in continuing to <em>harass</em> them with the emails they don’t want? Besides, spam complaints (created when a contact marks your email as spam) are one of the worst things you can do to your email sender score, which means that spam filters in the future are more likely to filter your emails out before your contact even sees them.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Sim]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Social media has become such an important tool for business, and the improvements keep on coming. New concepts like Twitter Cards, Pinterest Rich Pins, and even LinkedIn Company page headers are allowing companies to take their relationships with their prospective customers to the next level. But the question is &#8211; how can you keep up? [&#8230;]</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social media has become such an important tool for business, and the improvements keep on coming. New concepts like <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/jaysondemers/2014/03/20/the-definitive-guide-to-using-twitter-cards/">Twitter Cards</a>, <a href="http://www.koozai.com/blog/social-media/pinterest-rich-pins-guide/">Pinterest Rich Pins</a>, and even LinkedIn Company page headers are allowing companies to take their relationships with their prospective customers to the next level.</p>
<p>But the question is &#8211; how can you keep up? Are businesses meant to have accounts on every single social media platform? What are you supposed to be posting about?</p>
<p>The answer differs from business to business. The good news is that the most qualified people to make these decisions are the people who know the business best: your team.</p>
<p>Your consumers, prospects, and competitors are all comprised of various traits that make them unique in the sales world. What you need is a way to group these traits in a way that will allow you to focus on the strategy for each “type” of buyer. One of the main strategies for this is to develop <a href="http://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/buyer-persona-definition-under-100-sr">buyer personas</a>. Buyer Personas are a separate discussion we&#8217;ll be covering soon, but let’s assume you have one distinct persona that your business wants to target for future sales.</p>
<p>Let’s focus in on the main point of this issue: where is your business supposed to be posting on social media and what about?</p>
<p>In general, there are assumptions we can make about the various major social networks and their audiences. There are many social networks, but for the time being let’s focus on these major players: Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Pinterest, YouTube, and Instagram.</p>
<p>With the buyer persona your business uses in mind, let’s look at some of the “personalities” of these social media networks:</p>
<p><strong>Twitter</strong>: With a short shelf-life, <a href="http://moz.com/blog/when-is-my-tweets-prime-of-life">Moz research shows</a> that the lifespan of a tweet is around 18 minutes. This means anything posted on Twitter will only gain traction if it is very specifically relevant or interesting to your prospects &#8211; or that is shareable enough to get re-tweeted.</p>
<p>Because tweets decay so rapidly, Twitter should be used for prospects who interact actively and regularly. If your business is looking for prospects who are not as technically or social media savvy, this is not the optimal network. However, Twitter is a great customer care hotline and should be monitored for customer issues &#8211; and met with a quick response.</p>
<p><strong>Facebook:</strong> Typically for personal usage. Although posts have a shelf-life of <a href="http://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/facebook-post-shelf-life-data">around 5 hours</a> for most engagement, businesses are at a severe disadvantage because users don’t opt-in to see clutter from businesses in their Timelines &#8211; unless it is relevant to their personal lives.</p>
<p>Facebook is the most popular social media network by far, but is used by such a large grouping of the population (<a href="http://blog.digitalinsights.in/social-media-users-2014-stats-numbers/05205287.html">ages 17 and under through 65 and older</a>) that building a large presence and following can be hard to target.</p>
<p><strong>LinkedIn</strong>: Business and professional networking reign here. This is not the place to post your big sales, recent markdowns, or special offers. This is the place for businesses and consumers to connect about the industry that unites them.</p>
<p>LinkedIn is where businesses can and should promote educational articles, reports, and ebooks or post industry questions and thought-provoking observations. Your business should speak as a thought leader in the industry, and your business will benefit.</p>
<p><strong>Pinterest</strong>: Beneficial for highly-visual businesses, but with the requirement that participants are active users in the community. Because Pinterest is inherently driven by self-interest (users build collections of things they find interesting), it can be difficult to get in front of the user.</p>
<p>Pinterest is dominated by an <a href="http://blog.digitalinsights.in/social-media-users-2014-stats-numbers/05205287.html">80% female audience with only 23% of their users interacting daily</a>. However, if your business fits within this target demographic and actively creates visual content relevant to your prospects, this is a good place to focus.</p>
<p><strong>YouTube</strong>: Video content is easily shareable and can explode if done well. Great examples of this are the YouTube channels of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLhWeWGlaxqJBKQdtbICiLQ">Dollar Shave Club</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/OldSpice">Old Spice</a> &#8211; their &#8220;ads&#8221; are viral, shareable, and contagious because they are making <strong>content</strong> and not simply trying to yell above everyone else.</p>
<p>However, YouTube is only viable for very few. The art of <em>going viral</em> can be hard to accomplish, and even against those odds &#8211; success is sometimes defined by extremely creative marketers who <em>just got lucky.</em> If you can get on YouTube and be relevant, shareable, and make some noise <a href="http://mashable.com/2013/05/15/viral-video-factors/">like these examples</a>, then using this platform may be a good option. But for many, YouTube is a great way to host video content that is shared on other platforms &#8211; which is where the benefit for most businesses occurs.</p>
<p><strong>Instagram:</strong> Visually-driven postings with emphasis on the younger audience. A benefit of Instagram is that when used in conjunction with Twitter and Facebook, sharing images with your already-established audience becomes much simpler.</p>
<p>Over <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/instagram-demographics-2013-12?IR=T">90% of Instagram users are under the age of 35</a>. This makes Instagram a good choice for businesses in the visually-inspired industries &#8211; but more often than not, doesn’t fit into the demographic requirements of your target audience.</p>
<p>In summary &#8211; there are many social media networks out there, each with their own unique attributes, benefits, and downfalls. Finding the right social media platform for your marketing strategy requires insight into the mind and habits of your target customer-base. But the most important key is to always be where your target buyer personas are and how they&#8217;re interacting.</p>
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