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        <title type="html">Wonderful Life : With additional dialogue by…</title>
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        <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>One of the great stories about American cinema is that in credits for the 1929 Pickford-Fairbanks film version of &#8220;The Taming of the Shrew&#8221; was the line &#8220;With Additional Dialog by Sam Taylor&#8221;. Most unfortunately, it would seem that this just isn&#8217;t so, and it&#8217;s <a href="http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-53709341/shakespeare-additional-dialog-shakespeare.html">an urban legend</a>. So, why is this turning up in my atheism blog?</p>
<p><img style="float: right" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Dn%2BiWU0mL._SL500_AA240_.jpg" alt="" />The (unfortunately) well-known creationist Ray Comfort, who runs a number of websites aimed at discrediting evolution and/or atheism has <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Origin-Species-Charles-Darwin/dp/0882709194/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1257799891&amp;sr=8-1">re-published Darwin&#8217;s &#8220;On the Origin of Species&#8221;</a>. Rather cheekily, this seems to be credited at amazon.co.uk as being written by <em>Charles Darwin and Ray Comfort</em> (it has to be said, in the interests of truth, that the cover image provided by Amazon.co.uk &#8211; pictured right &#8211; makes no mention of Ray <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4">banana man</a> Comfort). Furthermore, judging from the <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/0882709194/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&amp;showViewpoints=1">reviews</a> of this edition at amazon.co.uk, the initial listing conflated reviews of this version (bowdlerised not only by inclusion of Comfort&#8217;s crass creationist introduction but also by excision of key material) mixed with reviews of more acceptable editions. It would seem that the resounding raspberry of the seven reviews to date are now specifically associated with this version.</p>
<p>There has been an ongoing debate over this edition of Origins over at the US News website, beginning with NCSE Director Eugenie Scott&#8217;s piece (<a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/10/30/how-creationist-origin-distorts-darwin.html">How Creationist &#8216;Origin&#8217; Distorts Darwin</a>) and Comfort&#8217;s <a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/10/29/exclusive-ray-comfort-defends-his-creationist-edition-of-on-the-origin-of-species.html">attempts at justification</a>. Scott pointed out Comfort&#8217;s evisceration of Origins:</p>
<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, it will be hard to thoroughly read the version that Comfort will be distributing on college campuses in November. The copy his publisher sent me is missing no fewer than four crucial chapters, as well as Darwin&#8217;s introduction. Two of the omitted chapters, Chapters 11 and 12, showcase biogeography, some of Darwin&#8217;s strongest evidence for evolution. Which is a better explanation for the distribution of plants and animals around the planet: common ancestry or special creation? Which better explains why island species are more similar to species on the mainland closest to them, rather than to more distant species that share a similar environment? The answer clearly is common ancestry. Today, scientists continue to develop the science of biogeography, confirming, refining, and extending Darwin&#8217;s conclusions.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Likewise missing from Comfort&#8217;s bowdlerized version of the Origin is Chapter 13, where Darwin explained how evolution makes sense of classification, morphology, and embryology. To take a simple example, why do all land vertebrates (amphibians, mammals, and reptiles and birds) have four limbs? Not because four limbs are necessarily a superior design for land locomotion: insects have six, arachnids have eight, and millipedes have, well, lots. It&#8217;s because all land vertebrates descended with modification from a four-legged (&#8221;tetrapod&#8221;) ancestor. Since Darwin&#8217;s era, scientists have repeatedly confirmed that the more recently two species have shared a common ancestor, the more similar are their anatomy, their biochemistry, their embryology, and their genetics.</p></blockquote>
<p>The blogosphere has been full of protests about this edition of Origins &#8211; I can&#8217;t list all articles, but here are two links to PZ Myers&#8217; Pharyngula: <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/10/ray_comfort_is_a_parasite.php">Ray Comfort is a parasite</a> (in relation to which, I note that Comfort&#8217;s bowdlerised version no longer tops the list in the search results at amazon.com) and <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/11/ray_comfort_replies_to_eugenie.php">Ray Comfort Replies to Eugenie Scott</a>.</p>
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        <title type="html">Wonderful Life : Evolution in 120 seconds</title>
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        <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Discover magazine ran a competition for videos which explained evolution in two minutes (<a href="http://discovermagazine.com/contests/evolution-in-two-minutes-or-less/">The Winner: Evolution in Two Minutes, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">or less</span></a>).  PZ Myers (<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/11/evolution_in_two_minutes.php">Pharyngula</a>) appears to have been involved in judging the entries (and you can see him in a video there).  The video below isn&#8217;t the winner, but it&#8217;s the &#8220;Peoples&#8217; Choice&#8221;, and the one I like.<br />
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        <title type="html">Wonderful Life : Evolution to be taught in UK primary schools</title>
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        <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>At last, some good news regarding the teaching of evolution in UK schools.  The Guardian reports (<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/nov/08/evolution-primary-school-curriculum-education">Scientists win place for evolution in primary schools</a>) that</p>
<blockquote><p>The government is ready to put <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/evolution">evolution</a> on the primary curriculum for the first time after years of lobbying by senior scientists.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/schools">schools</a> minister, Diana Johnson, has confirmed the plans will be included in a blueprint for a new curriculum to be published in the next few weeks.</p>
<p>It follows a letter signed by scientists and science educators calling on the government to make the change after draft versions of the new curriculum failed to mention evolution explicitly.</p></blockquote>
<p>This seems pretty good news for rational thought, particularly given the unfortunate MORI poll recently, which appeared to show public support for teaching creationism in science lessons.  The campaign for inclusion of evolution in the curriculum was coordinated by the British Humanist Association.</p>
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        <title type="html">BHA news : Two cheers for PSHE reform</title>
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        <published>2009-11-08T16:00:00+00:00</published>
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        <title type="html">An Apostate's Chapel : After You’ve Read the Times</title>
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        <published>2009-11-08T10:24:29+00:00</published>
        <author><name>the chaplain</name></author>
        
        <content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Once you&#8217;ve finished your leisurely Sunday brunch and had some coffee, tea, cocoa or&#8230; check out some good reading opportunities. </p>
<p>A good place to start is the <a href="http://confessionatheist.blogspot.com/2009/11/humanist-symposium-45.html">45th edition of the Humanist Symposium</a>, which is being hosted at <a href="http://confessionatheist.blogspot.com/">Confessions of a Closet Atheist</a>. This week&#8217;s collection of readings includes my piece, <a href="http://thechapel.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/lifes-value/">Life&#8217;s Value</a>.</p>
<p>After you&#8217;ve finished with the Symposium and refreshed your snacks, meals and beverages (and used the potty), you can check out <a href="http://latterdaymainstreet.com/?p=1142">Sunday in Outer Blogness: Another Day in the Culture Wars Edition</a>, which is available at <a href="http://latterdaymainstreet.com/">Main Street Plaza</a>. My piece, <a href="http://thechapel.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/atheist-statistics-2008/">Atheist Statistics 2008</a>, is included in that roundup, which was a pleasant surprise to me. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve read all of those posts and are still hungry for more reading material, check out my updated <a href="http://thechapel.wordpress.com/book-shelf/">Reading Room</a>. I re-arranged things a bit to make room for another bookshelf. Shelf #1 contains all new entries.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t feel like reading, you can always watch NFL football instead. Redskins fans would appreciate it if you&#8217;d cheer for the &#8216;Skins. I&#8217;d ask you to offer some prayers or sacrifices on their behalf, but, you know&#8230;</p>
<p><em>&#8211; the chaplain</em></p>
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        <title type="html">Epiphenom : Income inequality drives church attendance</title>
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        <published>2009-11-08T06:53:13+00:00</published>
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        <content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8sY9bx8acNM/SvSGRzvtFgI/AAAAAAAAAfk/Lm3t1I623oE/s1600-h/vantubergen2009_national_church_attendance.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"><img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8sY9bx8acNM/SvSGRzvtFgI/AAAAAAAAAfk/Lm3t1I623oE/s400/vantubergen2009_national_church_attendance.png" border="0" /></a><br /></div>The Dutch press is <a href="http://www.nrc.nl/international/Features/article2394314.ece/Insecurity_not_education_determines_church_attendance">reporting </a>a new study with an international perspective on what drives church attendance (the authors are Stijn Ruiter, senior researcher at the Netherlands Institute for the Study of    Crime and Law Enforcement, and Frank van Tubergen, a professor of sociology    in Utrecht).<br /><br />What they set out to do was to compare the major theories on what causes religion, using data from the World Values Survey and other sources. Broadly speaking, you can summarize these theories like this:<br /><ul><li><b>Religious regulation:</b> a close relationship between state and church tends to turn people off it.</li><li><b>Education:</b> better educated people abandon religion</li><li><b>Economic security:</b> if people don't have to worry about their future, gods lose their appeal.</li><li><b>Individualization:</b> religion is a social phenomenon, and people are only religious because everyone around them is.</li></ul>What Ruiter and van Tubergen did was a multi-level analysis. In other words, they looked at the characteristics of individuals and compared them with their churchgoing habits. And they also looked at the characteristics of nations, and looked to see what effect that had on individual churchgoing.<br /><br />This multilevel analysis is a very powerful. But one downside is that it needs a lot of data, and the sort of data it needs aren't available for a lot of countries. In fact, it's mostly available only for rich, Christian countries. Still, they included 60 in their analysis, which is quite a pool.<br /><br />By far and away the strongest predictor of how often a person goes to church is whether they had religious parents. That's not too surprising. But what is surprising is that, even after controlling for that effect, one of the most powerful predictors is how religious everyone else' parents are. In other words, one of the major deciding factors in whether or not you go to church is whether you grew up in a religious country.<br /><br />Another important factor was religious regulation. In countries with a strong state interference in religion, attendance goes down. <a href="http://bhascience.blogspot.com/2009/06/more-government-interferes-with.html">Other studies</a> suggest that's probably because when people feel pressured into going to Church, they don't enjoy it.<br /><br />One thing that didn't have much effect was education. There was no clear effect of average education in a country. But there was a slight effect of individual education - more educated people are slightly less likely to be churchgoers.  That's probably because <a href="http://bhascience.blogspot.com/2009/04/educating-peter-how-education-increases.html">education is double-edged</a> when it comes to religion. It decreases beliefs, but it also increases 'community-mindedness'. In other words, educated people tend to get involved in community activities.<br /><br />The final factor was income inequality. In line with other studies, they found that both income inequality and low state welfare spending are associated with more religion:<br /><br /><blockquote>...we find that attendance rates are particularly high in countries with more socioeconomic inequalities and fewer social welfare expenditure. This effect equally applies to both poor and rich people, which is in line with the idea that because of economic mobility and the possibility of unemployment in the (nearby) future also the more affluent population feels more insecure in countries with more inequalities and without a well-developed social welfare system.<br /><br />We also see that people with a lower income and who are unemployed attend religious meetings more often, and we find an enduring effect of growing up in times of war. In summary, the results of our study suggest that personal and societal insecurities play a crucial role in explaining cross-national variation in religious attendance.<br /></blockquote><br />Now this is particularly interesting because it backs up what I found in <a href="http://bhascience.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-some-countries-are-more-religious.html">my own study</a>, published earlier this year. In that study, I looked (in a rather simpler analysis) at the country-level factors that correlate with how often people pray. I found that income inequality was one of the strongest.<br /><br />So the two studies complement each other. Religious attendance and religious belief are related, but they are not the same. At yet both these two key aspects of religion decrease in countries with strong social systems where people have less to worry about.<br /><br />But by now people have probably spotted the potential flaw, which is shared by all these kinds of correlational studies: correlation does not mean causation! So which is it? Does inequality really lead to more religion? Or could it be that religion causes inequality?<br /><br />That's a good question - and it's a topic for the next post!<br /><br />Hat tip: David Flint of <a href="http://humanists4science.blogspot.com/">Humanists4Science</a>.<br /><br />__________________________________________________________________________<br /><span style="padding: 5px; float: right;"><a href="http://www.researchblogging.org/"><img alt="ResearchBlogging.org" src="http://www.researchblogging.org/public/citation_icons/rb2_large_gray.png" style="border: 0pt none ;" /></a></span><br /><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&amp;rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal&amp;rft.jtitle=American+Journal+of+Sociology&amp;rft_id=info%3A%2F&amp;rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fresearchblogging.org&amp;rft.atitle=Religious+Attendance+in+Cross-National+Perspective%3A+A+Multilevel+Analysis+of+60+Countries&amp;rft.issn=&amp;rft.date=2009&amp;rft.volume=&amp;rft.issue=November&amp;rft.spage=0&amp;rft.epage=&amp;rft.artnum=&amp;rft.au=Stijn+Ruiter&amp;rft.au=Frank+van+Tubergen&amp;rfe_dat=bpr3.included=1;bpr3.tags=Social+Science%2CReligion">Stijn Ruiter, &amp; Frank van Tubergen (2009). Religious Attendance in Cross-National Perspective: A Multilevel Analysis of 60 Countries <span style="font-style: italic;">American Journal of Sociology</span> (November)</span><br /><br /><br /><span style="float: left;"><a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/uk/" rel="license"><img alt="Creative Commons License" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-sa/2.0/uk/88x31.png" style="border-width: 0pt;" /></a></span> This article by <b>Tom Rees</b> was first published on <a href="http://bhascience.blogspot.com/">Epiphenom</a>.  It is licensed under <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/uk/" rel="license">Creative Commons.</a><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width="1" height="1" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1051713021757781960-2591702550625718215?l=bhascience.blogspot.com" /></div><div class="feedflare">
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        <title type="html">No Double Standards : Letter to Thomas Reid II: On Desirism</title>
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        <published>2009-11-08T06:28:00+00:00</published>
        <author><name>faithlessgod</name></author>
        
        <content type="html"><![CDATA[Thomas Reid wrote a <a href="http://merelymist.blogspot.com/2009/11/desire-utilitarianism.html">critique</a> of Desirism, to which I<a href="http://impartialism.blogspot.com/2009/11/thomas-reid-on-desirism.html"> responded</a>. Thomas Reid has now written a <a href="http://merelymist.blogspot.com/2009/11/response-to-faithlessgod-regarding.html">second post</a> responding to my rebuttals. This seems to be evolving, informally, in the fashion of <a href="http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=4476">Luke's</a> <a href="http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=4481">various</a> <a href="http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=4484">letters</a>, hence my title to this post.<br />
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Now I am happy to engage with anyone on the topic of <a href="http://impartialism.blogspot.com/2009/08/desirism.html">desirism</a>, with the two constraints of my available time (which is highly limited at the moment) and that they are willing to engage in honest and constructive debate. Desirism is the name I have given to what I regard is the best available theory of moral realism, discovered by <a href="http://alonzofyfe.com/article_du.shtml">Alonzo Fyfe</a>. It is an empirical approach, so is provisional and defeasible, and I am always interested in criticism and challenges to this. This approach, like any other in any area, is open to review, revision, replacement or rejection and I am open to all these possibilities and will engage with anyone providing those respondents indicates the same over their positions. Now nothing was formally agreed between myself and Reid over this, so I cannot impose this rule on this series of letters, with the proviso that I am assuming, as noted above, a willingness "to engage in honest and constructive debate".<br />
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<b>Reid's synopsis of Desirism</b><br />
<blockquote>First, faithlessgod says he has "quibbles" with my understanding of the theory, but is satisfied to leave&nbsp;my synopsis as is.&nbsp; I appreciate his review for any errors on my part.&nbsp;&nbsp;Hearing no specific problems I'll assume I've got a workable understanding of DU and proceed from there. <br />
</blockquote>The main quibble came up my response to Reid's first post and in the following comments. For clairifcation I will bring it back to the synopsis itself.<br />
<blockquote>The&nbsp;key is to&nbsp;consider whether a malleable desire promotes the fulfilment of other desires, or thwarts them.&nbsp; If it <i>promotes</i> their fulfilment, then it is&nbsp;"good" in the moral sense, and "bad" in the moral sense if it thwarts them.[my emphasis and typo corrections]<br />
</blockquote>&nbsp;As I said in the comments:<br />
<blockquote>The descriptive view is a desire is labelled good to the extent that it tends to fulfil and not thwart other desires. The prescriptive view is a desire is labelled good to the extent the people generally have reason to promote and not inhibit that desire. Both are views of the same facts but with different emphasis, the descriptive focused on the desires, the prescriptive focused on the people.<br />
</blockquote>So we could rewrite Reid's statement as:"The&nbsp;key is to&nbsp;consider whether a malleable desire tends to fulfil other desires, or tends thwarts them.&nbsp; If it overall tends fulfil them , then it is&nbsp;"good" in the moral sense, and "bad" in the moral sense if it overall tends thwarts them."&nbsp; Note that Reid uses "promote" as some sort of synonym for "tend to", when they are not, in the rest of his synopsis, which, given what I have said here and for brevity, does not warrant further attention.<br />
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Lets continue<br />
<blockquote>All <i>intentional action</i>&nbsp;is&nbsp;motivated by desires and beliefs.&nbsp; Presumably, by "intentional action", Fyfe means something like "all acts that are free", or "all acts that are worthy of moral evaluation".&nbsp; Unconscious breathing surely is excluded from the scope of intentional acts.<br />
</blockquote>A clarification, intentional action is voluntary action, that is the concept of&nbsp; "free" that is used here.<br />
<blockquote>So the typical conscientious Desire Utilitarian would evaluate&nbsp;act X&nbsp;based on whether or not someone with good desires would do act X.&nbsp; Since good desires are those which promote the fulfilment of other desires, in practice we should be asking ourselves: "what kind of desires should I have?"&nbsp; That is the root of morality for the Desire Utilitarian.<br />
</blockquote>Now on re-reading Reid's synopsis,&nbsp; this is a worse issue than my previous one over "promoting". Morality is a social institution which employs the social forces of commendation and condemnation, credit and blame. The question over the "root" of morality would be how to determine what is praiseworthy and blameworthy, that is what to commend, what to condemn and so on. Desirism gives the best empirically grounded referents for these concepts that I have seen to date.&nbsp; What is praiseworthy is what any person with good desires - that is desires that overall tend to fulfil more than thwart all other desires - would have and act upon and what is blameworthy is what any person with good desires would not have and not act upon - desires that overall tend to thwart more than fulfil other desires. There are other points one could make one the above, but this better answers Reid's apparent intention in that paragraph to show what the desirist roots of morality are.<br />
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Now to respond to Reid's challenges in his latest post.<br />
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<b>The theory is internally contradictory; it is possible for a desire to be both good and bad</b><br />
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Nothing in Reid's response makes it clear that he accepts that he is not talking about morality at all here. His model applies not only to trade, but any form of transaction. It also applies to sports and games. If A's "desire for X" is that A win against B, and B's "desire for Y" is that B win against A, then everything trivially follows.&nbsp; There does not seem to be anything else to say on the matter except that Reid has failed to show a desire can be both good and bad <i>morally</i> - that is where people generally are concerned.<br />
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<b>The theory cannot be used to condemn those who do not abide by the theory.</b><br />
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It has already been explained that human nature is the set of dispositions and capacities to believe, desire and act and, as Reid knowledges, that morality can only be focused on those that are malleable, that is sensitive to the environment these occur in, what else are the means to effect this "human nature" than is via the social forces as&nbsp; a key part of this environment? There seems to be nothing else that needs to be done.<br />
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It appears that Reid misses such points that the social forces of commendation and condemnation, credit and blame are already employed and used to mould each others' desires, this is <i>already is</i>&nbsp; the basis of moral and many other obligations. Reid also fails to recognise that most people, whether they are aware of this theory or not, do not consciously, most of the time, explicitly apply it, rather most have, as the result of coherently and consistently grounded applications of the social forces, the relevant good desires and lack the relevant bad desires.<br />
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Further desirism can serve as a critique of the various instantiations of this social institution, in terms of how coherently (praising what is praiseworthy, blaming what is blameworthy), consistently (praising those who deserve praise, blaming those who deserve blame) and ratio-empirically grounded (determining what is praiseworthy and what is blameworthy) those versions are. They work by evoking emotional responses that lead to modifications of our malleable desires. This is especially important since one cannot use reason to change desires, only beleifs.<br />
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Now the whole of Reid's arguments in this section seems to fail to understand most of the above and he raises points that are meant to look like objections but are almost invariably already explicitly&nbsp; incorporated in the problem space that desirism addresses and proposes answers for. Further he invents "precepts" that make no sense and are anyway nothing to do with desirism.<br />
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All in all I am not sure how to better analyse Reid's issues, in the time I have available. If Reid can respond with clear criticism of desirism - by understanding the above points - we could the revisit his purported conclusion. Until then, his conclusion does not follow.<br />
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<b>Given the inputs to decision-making, it is possible for DU to define any act as "good".</b><br />
<blockquote>It can beg the question of those other desires, and a moral evaluation of them is to be expected.&nbsp; But that evaluation is a red herring. The objection is grounded in the definition of a&nbsp;desire as either&nbsp;good or&nbsp;bad once those other desires <b>change </b>(maybe they no longer exist, or are altered).</blockquote>Now Reid seems to be responding to another theory not desirism - where does this mysterious <b>change</b> come from? This is a straw man, nowhere is the the goodness of a desire described, within desirism, the way Reid has portrayed it here and so evaluating the moral value of other desires is not a red herring. The rest of Reid's response is addressing a form of act utilitarianism. So none of his conclusion follows or is relevant to desirism.<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width="1" height="1" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/154495438763509967-5999758427610899496?l=impartialism.blogspot.com" /></div><div class="feedflare">
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        <title type="html">HASSERS - Humanist Atheist Scientific Secularist Ethical Rationalist Sceptics : No Religion: Overall 15%, Chinese 53%, mixed ethnic 23%</title>
        <id>http://hassers.blogspot.com/2009/11/no-religion-overall-15-chinese-53-mixed.html</id>
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        <published>2009-11-07T23:37:00+00:00</published>
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Overall, 15 per cent of the British population reported having no religion although variation by ethnicity was marked. Just over half of all Chinese people (53 per cent), and just under one quarter of people from Mixed ethnic backgrounds (23 per cent), stated they had no religion. Asian, Black African and White Irish people were least likely to have no religious affiliation. Around 1 in<img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/HASSERS/~4/VS7Ak1fxun4" height="1" width="1" />]]></content>
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        <title type="html">An Apostate's Chapel : Atheist Statistics 2008</title>
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        <published>2009-11-07T18:37:32+00:00</published>
        <author><name>the chaplain</name></author>
        
        <content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Here&#8217;s an interesting little video (less than 3 minutes) that presents fairly recent atheist statistics. The author cites several of his sources in the video, and provides a complete list of his sources, with links, in the sidebar at <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T27kB4BjbEg">the YouTube site</a> where the video is posted. He explains his reason for making the video in a brief introductory note:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is a REBUTTAL to Christian claims that atheists are immoral, dumb, or evil. This is not an attack on Christians. In other words, I wouldn&#8217;t have felt the need to make this video if it hadn&#8217;t been for all the insane opinions Christians have of atheists and the non-religious.</p></blockquote>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://thechapel.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/atheist-statistics-2008/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/T27kB4BjbEg/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
<p>Many atheists are already familiar with most, if not all, of the information in the video. Many of you may also be familiar with the sources listed in the sidebar. I was familiar with some of them, and I also discovered some new ones (to me) that I&#8217;m interested in exploring further. </p>
<p>Enjoy and discuss.</p>
<p><em>&#8211; the chaplain</em></p>
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        <title type="html">Wonderful Life : Move to place bibles in Edinburgh University student rooms</title>
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        <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It transpires (see for example the <a href="http://notsofriendlyhumanist.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/bibles-in-pollock-halls-youve-got-to-be-joking/">Not-So-Friendly-Humanist</a>, <a href="http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/07/edinburgh-uni-students-should-tell-the-christian-union-to-stuff-their-damn-bibles/">Freethinker</a>, and <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/11/a_true_scotsman_keeps_his_bibl.php">Pharyngula</a> blogs) that a student christian union has started an attempt to have bibles placed in each student room at the Edinburgh University Pollock Halls of Residence.</p>
<p>Apart from the sheer arrogance of this approach, this does fill me with amusement.  Back in the late 70s and early 80s, when I was a student at Edinburgh, Pollock Halls appeared to double its occupancy on Friday and Saturday nights following the dread discos (usually closing with the rousing sing-along anthem <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi_Ho_Silver_Lining"><em>Hi Ho Silver Lining</em></a>).  Indeed such frequently carnal activity was reflected in amused comments from University accommodation officers concerning the single beds provided at Pollock Halls.</p>
<p>So, I suppose if passed, the distribution of bibles will be followed with a multitude of other holy books.  Will it extend to the works of L. Ron Hubbard, who&#8217;s flights of fancy came a cropper in French courts recently?  After all, Hubbard&#8217;s bonkers beliefs aren&#8217;t especially unusual in comparison to the tosh found in the bible.</p>
<p>I particularly liked Barry Duke&#8217;s (Freethinker blog) suggestion of a warning label that should be affixed to each copy:</p>
<p><a href="http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/07/edinburgh-uni-students-should-tell-the-christian-union-to-stuff-their-damn-bibles/"><img class="alignnone" title="Bible reader warning label" src="http://freethinker.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/biblewarning.jpg" alt="" width="511" height="265" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/11/07/edinburgh-uni-students-should-tell-the-christian-union-to-stuff-their-damn-bibles/"><img class="alignleft" title="Robert Crumbs illustrated Genesis" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/611ioltW9JL._SL500_AA240_.jpg" alt="" width="261" height="261" /></a></p>
<p>I have an upcoming trip to the US &#8211; I imagine there will be Gideon bibles in each hotel room I will stay in.  The temptation to affix such labels would be severe&#8230;</p>
<p>On the other hand, perhaps the kindly souls at the christian union would consider Robert Crumb&#8217;s illustrated version of Genesis.  At least that would amusingly illustrate (probably in a nice earthy sort of way) several elements of the warning label.</p>
<p>Good luck to those who seek to prevent this absurdity.  Students don&#8217;t need extra doorstops in their tiny Pollock Halls bedrooms.</p>
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        <content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p><img alt="" src="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46684000/jpg/_46684339_olad-2226.jpg" class="alignleft" width="226" height="170" />I probably don&#8217;t need to say much about <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8347216.stm">this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Islamists in southern Somalia have stoned a man to death for adultery but spared his pregnant girlfriend until she gives birth.</p>
<p>Abas Hussein Abdirahman, 33, was killed in front of a crowd of some 300 people in the port town of Merka.</p>
<p>An official from the al-Shabab group said the woman would be killed after she has had her baby.
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<p>If you haven&#8217;t thrown up yet, read on:</p>
<blockquote><p>A 13-year-old girl was stoned to death for adultery in the southern town of Kismayo last year.</p>
<p>Human rights groups said she had been raped.
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<p>After giving the matter about 2 seconds of thought (yeah, I&#8217;m running a bit slowly tonight), I&#8217;ve decided that I&#8217;ll bypass this value system and stick with <a href="http://thechapel.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/lifes-value/">my own home-brewed values</a>. My values have two advantages for me and one for my neighbors:</p>
<p>1. They help me keep my food down,<br />
2. They let me sleep at night, and<br />
3. My neighbors need not fear that I will respond to their bedroom gymnastics &#8211; or rapes &#8211; with deadly violence against them. </p>
<p>&#8216;Nuff said.</p>
<p><em>&#8211; the chaplain</em></p>
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