As a brand designer, strategist and founder of JUST Creative, I spend much of my time helping businesses find what makes them different and express it through design. Being on a jury offers another opportunity to explore how designers turn ideas into something distinctive, meaningful and memorable.

And, hopefully, discover a few projects that make me wish I’d thought of them.

About the Indigo Design Award

Indigo is an international design competition with four main categories:

• Graphic Design
• Digital Design
• Branding
• Design for Social Change

It welcomes entries from agencies, independent designers and emerging designers, including students and those early in their careers.

That breadth matters. Strong ideas can come from an established studio, a solo designer or someone working on their first substantial project. Awards offer a chance to bring those ideas to a wider audience.

Why judging matters to me

Design awards create an opportunity to pause and look closely at the work: the thinking behind it, the choices that shape it and the care that goes into its execution.

From a branding perspective, I’m particularly interested in the relationship between an idea and its expression. What makes the work recognisable? How does it communicate? Why is this approach right for this particular brand?

A beautifully presented identity can catch your attention. An identity with a clear idea behind it gives you a reason to remember it.

Seeing how other designers answer those questions is one of the things I value about being part of a jury. It keeps me curious and gives me another way to contribute to the design community.

My other design judging roles

I’ve also had the opportunity to judge across several other award programs:

• Designity Awards
• LogoLounge Awards
• Horizon Interactive Awards
• Signal Awards
• LogoWave
• International Visual Identity Awards

Each brings a different perspective, from the detail of an individual logo to the coherence of a visual identity or the effectiveness of a digital experience.

Across all of them, I appreciate the opportunity to help recognise designers who bring strong thinking and craft to their work.

Explore Indigo and share your work

If you have a project you’re proud of, take a look at Indigo’s categories and entry requirements.

You can also explore previous winners to see the range of work being recognised, from branding and graphic design to digital experiences and design for social change.

Thank you to the Indigo team for having me on the jury. I’m glad to play a part in celebrating the people and ideas behind the work.

View my Indigo jury profile and explore the awards

The current extended early bird deadline is November 30, 2026, with the regular deadline on January 31, 2027.

Designed by Russell Bean in collaboration with me, Jacob Cass, for Just Creative, JUST Serif brings sculpted contrast and human warmth to branding, publishing, packaging and premium typography.

It’s refined but approachable. Expressive without becoming ornamental. Sophisticated, but never stiff.

Why We Created JUST Serif

When we created JUST Sans®, the goal was to build a versatile geometric sans serif that could handle almost anything. It needed to feel clear and functional while retaining warmth and a distinctive personality.

But some projects call for a different voice.

They need more contrast. More rhythm. More editorial character.

JUST Serif was created to fill that role.

It gives designers an expressive serif that can lead a visual identity while working naturally alongside the clarity and versatility of JUST Sans.

The result is a contemporary serif family designed for modern brands, editorial layouts, expressive headlines and premium applications.

Editorial Elegance Without the Coldness

Many high contrast serif fonts lean heavily into the world of luxury and fashion. They can look beautiful, but they can also feel distant, delicate or overly formal.

We wanted JUST Serif to feel more human.

Its warm curves, sculpted flared serifs, confident capitals and carefully balanced proportions give the typeface an editorial presence without making it feel precious.

There’s enough contrast to create drama in a headline, but enough warmth to keep the typography approachable.

That balance makes JUST Serif suitable for a much wider range of projects, from boutique hospitality and premium packaging to publishing, brand identities and digital design.

Seven Weights and a Variable Font

JUST Serif includes seven carefully crafted weights:

• Extra Light
• Light
• Regular
• Medium
• Semi Bold
• Bold
• Extra Bold

The lighter weights bring delicacy and refinement to large editorial typography. The middle weights offer a practical balance between expression and legibility. The heavier weights add confidence and impact to logos, headlines and display applications.

The family also includes a Variable Font, giving you more precise control over the weight and allowing the typeface to adapt to the needs of each project.

Whether you’re creating a restrained magazine cover or a bold packaging system, the family gives you room to find the right voice.

Designed for Branding, Editorial and Packaging

JUST Serif was created to perform across both expressive and practical applications.

It works particularly well for:

• Logos and wordmarks
• Brand identity systems
• Editorial and magazine design
• Book covers
• Premium packaging
• Wine and spirits labels
• Beauty and fragrance branding
• Fashion
• Hospitality
• Websites
• Advertising
• Posters and campaigns
• Premium print applications

Use it as a modern serif font for a distinctive identity, an editorial serif for publishing, a high contrast serif for expressive headlines or a branding font for sophisticated design systems.

Its personality is noticeable, but it doesn’t overpower the work around it.

Pair JUST Serif With JUST Sans®

JUST Serif brings expressive editorial elegance, while JUST Sans provides clear, versatile supporting typography for a cohesive brand system.

Use JUST Serif for headlines, key messages and moments of personality. Use JUST Sans for body copy, captions, interfaces, navigation and everyday communication.

Together, they let you create contrast without losing consistency.

Pair JUST Serif With JUST Sans® Outline

JUST Serif’s sculpted forms pair naturally with JUST Sans Outline, adding graphic contrast and greater impact to headlines and display typography.

JUST Sans Outline is especially effective in posters, campaigns, packaging and layered typographic compositions.

Where JUST Serif brings editorial character, JUST Sans Outline introduces a more graphic voice.

A Complete Type System

JUST Serif, JUST Sans and JUST Sans Outline form the growing JUST Type Collection.

Each family has a distinct role:

• JUST Serif delivers editorial elegance, expressive contrast and human warmth.
• JUST Sans provides clarity, versatility and legible supporting typography.
• JUST Sans Outline introduces graphic contrast and display impact.

Used together, they create a flexible typographic system that can move across brand identities, packaging, editorial design, websites and campaigns while maintaining a consistent visual language.

Built for Print and Digital

JUST Serif includes desktop fonts for professional design applications as well as web font formats for digital use.

Depending on your licence and download package, the family may include:

• Seven static OTF fonts
• Variable Font
• WOFF web fonts
• WOFF2 web fonts
• Latin language support
• OpenType features
• Professional kerning and spacing
• Font specimen
• Welcome and installation guide

This makes it easy to carry the same typographic voice from a printed book or package to a responsive website.

Crafted With Russell Bean

JUST Serif was designed by Russell Bean in collaboration with me for Just Creative.

Russell brought his experience and technical expertise as a type designer to the development of the family, while I helped shape its creative direction, positioning and relationship with the broader JUST Type Collection.

The process involved balancing the expressive character of an editorial serif with the versatility designers need from a working type family.

Every weight was refined to feel like part of the same family while retaining its own purpose, from the delicate Extra Light to the commanding Extra Bold.

We love featuring great work from the design community.

The Making of JUST Serif

Go behind the scenes with Jacob Cass to see how JUST Serif came to life, from early references and the design brief to rounds of letterform refinement with type designer Russell Bean.

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JUST Serif was created for designers looking for a contemporary serif that feels refined, expressive and unmistakably modern.

It has the elegance of an editorial serif, the warmth of humanist forms and the flexibility required for modern identity systems.

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Today, purpose-driven brands are everywhere, but there was a time when the idea that buying a product could directly create positive change in the world felt genuinely disruptive. TOMS became one of the brands that absolutely changed that. It didn’t just challenge the footwear category, it challenged our expectations of what a business could be turning customers into participants in a much bigger story.

On today’s episode, we want to explore how you build a challenger brand around a belief and turn that belief into a movement. And we’ve got the perfect person to explore this with us because we want to introduce you all to Justin Herber, a brand strategist and creative leader whose career has spanned both Hollywood and some of the world’s most interesting challenger brands. Justin started out in the entertainment industry before moving into brand building, becoming an early brand and storytelling lead at TOMS, where he helped shaped the early narrative as the company grew from a shoe brand into a global purpose-driven movement. He went on to lead creative strategy for brands including Hot Wheels, before becoming the first chief brand and marketing officer at Tractor Beverage, helping take the business from an early stage challenger to a national brand. Today, Justin advises founders and leadership teams on brand narrative, positioning and storytelling with a particular belief that the strongest brands aren’t built around products, they’re actually built around stories and beliefs that people want to be part of. Justin, welcome to the JUST Branding Podcast.

It is such a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me, guys.

It’s great to have you on. I’m excited. We’ve been talking back and forth for a few months now. To finally get you on in all your glory, I can’t wait to tuck into this because who doesn’t love a challenger brand, particularly one that’s purpose-driven. I know we’re going to tuck into all of that stuff just shortly. But before we get there, I know you started off in Hollywood and then moved into brand building. So perhaps we could just sort of ask, what connects those two worlds?

There’s so much overlap between the two worlds, and it’s not what I would normally see. To me, I think the biggest connected tissue is the idea of theme and purpose, being the emotional driver of story and of entertainment and also brand. So if you think about a movie that just has an idea and a plot but no emotional thrust, that’s like having a brand that has a product and some marketing but no real contention underneath it. So for me, I always think about what’s the why, what’s the theme we’re exploring, whether that’s me writing a TV show or building a brand, what are you really anchoring your belief system in, and then how do you express it? Then we can go on to talk about how a brand is really, and its community is the protagonist, and you’re pushing against something in the same way that you would in a screenplay or in a TV series. So to me, there’s been a pretty seamless translation, but the language is a little different in each one.

I love how you mentioned tension, because that brings drama, that brings excitement, that brings intrigue, everyone’s suddenly leaning in when there’s a bit of tension. You’re absolutely right. So tell us the story. You started off in Hollywood, and obviously, we’ve mentioned you went to TOMS, you’ve done a bunch of other stuff. Perhaps give us a potted history. Perfect.

So the long backstory. Ever since I was a kid, I wanted to be a filmmaker. I grew up in Texas. There really wasn’t a pathway for filmmakers in Texas, and I ended up making my way to California by way of Pepperdine University on a fine arts scholarship, knowing that’d be my way into the entertainment world. So after graduating college, I applied to every single post-production house in Santa Monica and somehow ended up interviewing with Michael Bayes, his editing house, and from there, I got introduced to Michael Bayes’ team and then became Michael Bayes’ creative assistant, project, new production assistant, everything assistant at the age of 22. So I had a direct line into Hollywood, but also into commercials because Michael was one of the most successful commercial directors at the time. So I really liked the way that he could work on longer-form narrative and also short-form content, and that was exactly what excited me about telling stories. And so I really got almost an apprenticeship working under him for two years. And then from there, I went on my own and decided to learn how to, I decided to go to film school without having to pay for it. So I worked on the agency side, I worked on the post-production side, and got massive exposure to the apples of the world, a bunch of car accounts to not only agency side, but production company side, to the business side of it, and was able to see all the pieces and how they work together. And then I eventually got a call from a friend from the entertainment days who said, hey, I took this job at a company that is trying to give shoes away, and will you come talk to me about it? So one of my friends was the ninth employee at TOMS, and as they grew, I would shadow advise and give them different ideas. And then they brought me on to help them launch Eyewear, which is their second one for one product. So all of the brand stuff that I was doing led to me having a robust understanding of how things got made, and all the entertainment stuff I did around writing screenplays, developing, et cetera, gave me a real concept for narrative thrust. So it was the idea of not only storytelling, but the visual expression of those ideas. And so that was, TOMS is the perfect thing for me because it brought all those worlds together, and it was a company that had this amazing story that just needed to have it brought to life. And that was my very fortunate role to have.

Right, so just for folks who perhaps don’t know much about TOMS, you mentioned One for One. Do you mind explaining to everyone what that idea was?

Sure, so the founder of TOMS was this amazing entrepreneur, and he was on a trip to Argentina, and he saw some kids without shoes. And he met some people who were on a shoe drive, and he started asking, well, what happens if people stop giving shoes to these kids and they don’t get shoes? So he decided to create a company where what if he sold a pair of shoes and if a pair of shoes sold, he would give to somebody in need. So they called it TOMS Shoes, Shoes for Tomorrow was the idea, and the business model was One for One. And so that was the first real company that integrated giving into business. You had companies that had foundations and charitable givebacks, but this is a company that said, hey, we’re putting giving first, and really we’re gonna challenge the way we think about the role of business in society. And I think that was what really, beyond the inventiveness of the business model, the idea that companies could do more and had a different role they could play in society and a different role they could play with consumers was really the power of the brand at the time.

And they’re still doing it now, aren’t they? I think One for One.

Yeah, so of all their giving model, we use the One for One model to introduce handbags, eyewear, coffee. So they always had to have a One for One component. And then they’ve evolved the giving model to be, it’s after my time. So I don’t really know exactly how it functions, but the way it did at the time was all, it had to be One for One. You buy this, it impacts a community this way.

Nice. And it’s for profit, the company, right?

All for profit. Yeah. So that was the exciting thing about it because Blake recognized that charity might fall short, but if you had something that was a business, then that could potentially create long-term impact. So he really flipped the idea on its head. And it was, he’s an amazing person and an incredibly inspiring individual and entrepreneur. And he just saw the world differently. And that was the magic of it all.

So when you arrive at TOMS, this crazy idea, right? What was it like? Give us a sense. Only nine people. So were you number 10, number 11, something like that? Like what was it like? Give us a description of what it was like.

So when I first came in, it was, my friend was the ninth employee, and everyone’s bagging up shoes and shipping them and all hands on deck type thing. I didn’t officially come in until they were about 85, 90 people. So they would always bring in and say, yeah, so they would say, hey, we’re launching a new product. Can you help us do this for $7? And I’m like, $7 doesn’t really pay me, but they eventually were able to, when they launched their one-for-one product, the second one I wear, they said, hey, we’re going to Nepal for 10 days. And it’s the founder and a couple of his friends, and they’re going to see if there’s a giving model for site. Would you be interested? I’m like, 10 days in Nepal sounds amazing. So I quit the job that I had at the time, which was producing visual effects at a major VFX house, and then just bought a plane ticket and went to Nepal for 10 days. And it was a life-changing experience.

You’ve been to Nepal, Jacob, I know you’re a very well-traveled man.

Yes, we have. There’s a lot of hiking around there. Yeah. Cool place.

There we are. Recommend it?

Yeah, absolutely. Definitely.

Jacob’s are like resident traveler. Like I’ve traveled a little bit. Thanks, traveler, Matt.

We’ve got four muppets now.

Oh, yeah. Really leave the house.

No more travel for you for a few years.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was an, I mean, it’s a journey to get there, right? It’s like 30 hours of travel from Los Angeles, where TOMS is based.

Yeah. It was just after an earthquake as well when I was there. So it was all like a lot of rubbles and a lot of recovery and everything. But it was still amazing people and a lot of cool things to see, obviously, it’s a beautiful place in the world.

Yeah, the Hanna printer range, this is amazing. It was an incredible place to be.

Were you filming there, Justin, then, at that early point? And so you’re telling the story from the founders, what they were doing, documenting, I guess. And then, so you then went to work for TOMS for a while. First of all, next question was, when was that roughly?

So this was in 2010. So you’d asked earlier about what was TOMS like when I walked in, right? So everyone was a believer. And I think this is what founders really need to anchor into. Like when you’re early stage, everyone was bought into the belief system of TOMS. So it was a bunch of 20-somethings that thought they could change the world, right? And there’s a few more senior level people, but it really was a company that operated on belief. So they really thought that every thing we did on a daily basis made a big impact. So that was the culture of the place. And it was also the culture of Venice and Santa Monica at the time, among 20-somethings. There’s groups like Falling Whistles and Charity Water. They were all trying to do something more impactful. This is your Obama era aspirational, like optimistic millennial, right? So everything was about how do you create a better world? And so TOMS is just at the forefront, but really around TOMS was this community of amazing people who are doing things that could change the world. So that was the culture of the place, and that was how it felt to be there. And then for me, like after I went to Nepal for 10 days with the founders, my job was then to help them launch Eyewear. And so I was able to put together some documentary stuff that you can still find today. And then that role slowly evolved into me being overseeing all consumer facing videos, so all campaign stuff. And then the role evolved further to overseeing really all brand storytelling. So what was happening seasonally in the catalogs, partnership wise, brand book, really. So more of it was, we didn’t have any external agencies. So it was all internal. So there was kind of a creative services side of it. But then there was more of the kind of the thought leadership side of it as well. So we kind of had to straddle both lines, having it all be in the house.

So Justin, I had a question around challenger brands and eyewear, because Warby Parker, was this before or after TOMS introduced eyewear?

I think Warby was just after TOMS. Just after. Yeah, and Warby was amazing. And they really led with their giving in the beginning, but then they kind of moved more towards like the trying at home type messaging. So yeah, but they were, that energy was all around entrepreneurship at the time.

Yeah, I remember that. And I had a couple of pairs back when I wore glasses, and that was like a pretty revolutionary model as well, like trying on at home. And it’s just like, and you buy one, someone else gets one as well.

So yeah, they were super, they’re super disruptive. They had amazing infographics and communications. Like they were always somebody I looked to personally, but man, they’re, they’re doing great things. I loved what, the way they communicated their ideas.

Yeah. And the technology as well, like at the time, I remember you could try it on at home, literally with the tech and the camera and everything, and it’ll put on your face. This seems so basic now, but it was quite, quite new at the time.

Where you could-

The first like AR application. Yeah. Yeah.

You could see what it would look like and everything, and like move your head and it was all new and it was, yeah, definitely that’s why I bought with them.

Yeah. I think like what’s interesting about Werby and also about TOMS is yes, there’s giving incorporated, but it’s also disrupting industry, right? Like if you think about Werby, there’s Luxottica, there’s like two major eyewear companies, right? And so when you’re entering in that space, you have to do something distinctive. And TOMS, like we didn’t think of our competitors as being the Nikes or Sketchers or Adidas of the world, but we were introducing a silhouette of a shoe that is super interesting and fashionable, but also a business model that was really disrupted too. So I think sometimes people think about that era as a do-good era, but it was really a disruptive era when you’re challenging pre-conceived notions and patterns of business, and you’re doing it and modeling a new way. And so I think that’s the most, probably the lasting legacy of TOMS isn’t just the give back component or those that inspired, but it really is the idea of industry disruption, right? And say like, there could be a better model for capitalism. There could be a different way we think about how companies participate in social issues, et cetera. So it was quite revolutionary at the time and still has echoes throughout so many brands.

What would you call that, Justin? I mean, I would probably call that like a conscious capitalism. Would you be okay with that phrase, do you think? Or is there another phrase that you would sort of dub it?

That’s what it was referred to at the time. And so it was conscious capitalism is the way they thought about it and the way it was kind of branded at the time. I don’t know if there’s a more modern interpretation of it, but I’m open to it.

No, I don’t know. That’s the phrase that comes to my mind as you were talking about it. And look, we’ll come back to the TOMS story in a minute because I really want to dive in to some of the principles and the things that you learned. But just so that folks get a sense of what happened to you beyond TOMS, you know, let sort of give us the rest of the sort of story up until now, and then we’ll circle back around and perhaps pick apart some principles that I know you’ve probably applied throughout your career.

Sure. So while I was at TOMS, I sold a TV show with my writing partner that was on Legend’s first scripted television show he did. And that show didn’t get made, it got a lot of attention. And so we ended up, it got read around town and we ended up winning an open writing assignment to adapt this famous novel. And we won the assignment. And it was enough of a win for me to walk away from TOMS. And it was such a hard decision to make, but I’ve been building this career of both brand guy and entertainment guy. And we’re kind of top of the mountain like, hey, this is going to be the show. And so we wrote a script. We got Antoine Foucault attached to direct. We got Sly Stallone attached to star. And it looked like it was going to be the first, it was going to be like a too big to fail kind of show. And of course it failed. So that’s, that is Hollywood, right? So, but that was enough for me to be able to leave TOMS. And in that period, when I was writing, I was also consulting brands and one of my buddies had invested in the soda company and he said, hey man, I love what you did at TOMS. Can you help us build the TOMS of beverage? So, there’s three founders and myself as the first advisor and later a few more advisors, but we ended up saying like, what does it take for a challenger brand to break through in their space? So, what they had done is they had recognized that food service was the only place you couldn’t get a clean beverage option. You can go to any corner store or any grocery store or greengrocer and you can find a better option. But why wasn’t that the case in food service? So, what they aspired to do, and this was all based in the founders’ intent. One of the founders was a farmer who had transitioned his farm to organic and he said, I think we can make organic sodas that would be better for the farms and be better for the consumer and we could challenge this kind of monolithic Coke and Pepsi soda world is happening. So, the whole challenge became how you position a brand when there’s only four of us to be able to take on 125-year-old incumbents, right? So, it all became about positioning, about story, brand presentation, making smart bets, getting the right partners lined up. So, I ended up architecting the brand from the beginning and then helping them with key launches as an advisor and consultant and then going in-house as their first chief brand officer in 2021 to help them really turbocharge the brand. So, we took it from proof of concept to national brand expanding into Europe and not only within food service but now expanding into retail. So, that was all part of the model and the great thing was is I got to use everything I did from TOMS and help not only with the marketing and branding but also with organizational design, right? How do you incorporate more of a regenerative give back model into the company? So, we ended up along with the founders, I launched something called Farmhand Foundation which took our top line revenue and put it back to farms to help them integrate more sustainable practices. So, then they could then potentially be integrated in our supply chain. So, it was really a study in organizational design in brand led principles, especially in a historically non branded space. So, I was really proud of everything I built there and it was after last year, I stepped away having built everything I wanted to over the course of 10 years. And now I consult with other founders and brands and CPG and luxury hospitality. And so really helping them get clear on their story. And then how do you tap in that belief? How do you articulate the story? And then how do you create a culture of belief and possibility? They can take on incumbents, they can build a pulse within the market. So, my whole thesis is that brands are businesses built on belief systems, right? And so that’s where I am now.

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Where do we take this next? I was going to circle us back then to those early days of TOMS and perhaps go completely off-piece and ask you about some of those principles. You talked about belief being at the core. You talked at the start around how that when you joined TOMS, everyone was a believer. I think that’s how you phrased it. So perhaps that’s a good place to start. If someone’s trying to build or challenge a brand, and I think you’re going to say yes, but is it always rooted in a belief and how do you find that thing to believe in that I guess is anti-establishment as well or anti-status quo because that then allows you to challenge?

Yeah, great question. And I think that the more daylight there is between your marketing message and your purpose, the more fractured the brand is going to be. So if founders are thinking about purpose-driven or belief system as a marketing layer or brand layer, the thing is going to fracture. So it has to be part of organizational design. And a lot of times, the purpose may not be super clear in the beginning, but it oftentimes lives with the founder. And so you guys probably see this in your work, right? You talk to a founder and you really are trying to pull back the layers. Somebody told me this analogy of Michelangelo knew that David existed inside the stone. It was his job to just reveal it. And so I think that’s what great strategy does and great brand building does is the founder has this animating idea that lives within them on why they were pulled or charged to create this organization or this product or the story. And that is the role of the brand builders to help them to be their Michelangelo sometimes, right? To help them reveal what’s truly there so it can be seen in the way that the founder intended. So a lot of times, you know, with Tractor, there is this belief that if we had more organic produce, it would be better for the soil health and but it took a while for us to really land the messaging, the exact idea that we were latching on to, to express it clearly, and that’s a journey. And so I think that for early founders, when you’re thinking about a purpose-driven brand, you have to think about who you are beyond product, and that is what the clarity is, right? Get clear on who you are beyond product, because if that goes away, would people even recognize your brand, right? At that point of view. So you have to get very clear on that, and then you have to get very clear on your conviction, right? What do you believe? What are your non-negotiables? Why should people believe you? Then that starts to build a real basis for a belief-led brand, right? The clarity and conviction is where it starts. So a lot of that is editing out and sacrificing, and just getting clear on what your non-negotiables are, and then within that too, knowing what you stand against, right? It doesn’t often have to be a competitor. It could be things like apathy, or it could be about industrial agriculture, but as long as you can frame up what you stand for, and be clear on that, then you can animate your team around those principles, right? And you can make that part of your practice. So at TOMS, we had giving trips that everyone got to go on after a year. So they got to go experience giving, and then they come back on fire for the brand. At Tractor, we started something called Farm Camp, which was every employee has to work on a farm for four days, right? So then it starts to reinforce the founding belief system, in a way that then becomes evangelist, right? Because what you’re trying to do with a purpose-driven brand is create these stories that travel, this magnetic evangelism, where you can see somebody wearing your product, and you can walk up to them and be like, hey, tell me about the shoes you’re wearing. They go, oh my goodness, you buy a pair and they give a pair. And so that’s where the flywheel really comes.

Yeah.

So I think like getting clear on who you are beyond product, and then making sure you integrate that into your hiring practices, into the way your organization behaves, and then the way you market.

So I’ve got a question on this. You mentioned the founder a couple of times, right? So do you think it always has to be something that is rooted in sort of an early startup business, or do you think you could reverse engineer it into a more established business, say with a new CEO coming in?

I think there is room for reverse engineering, there’s a lot of calcification that you have to break, right? So that is a challenge, but I think that the same principles can be applied to even legacy brands and reinvention, or oftentimes it’s when they launch a new category or a new product, how do you create its own known belief system around that product, its own ideology, its own thing it’s pushing against as well. So I think these principles can be applied to almost any brand. Like for instance, I helped Hot Wheels figure out how to expand their YouTube channel, right? And the way that we did that is anchoring in their belief, which was challenge accepted, which is the idea that the kids are inventors and playful. And so anchoring that ideology, then turning it into rather than trying to create viral clips, create this entertainment engine that could be more of a Saturday morning cartoon. And so the same ideology that I applied to using TOMS, figuring out what it is, expanding it in the most powerful way possible, is the same that I use for Hot Wheels, the same I use for TV series, the same I use for Tractor. Loved that.

Yeah, another brand I love, what they do is, you know, like Red Bull, which I think their sort of purpose is something along the lines of giving wings to people and ideas, and the way that they sort of like sponsor, like extreme sports. And I’m here in Wales in the UK, and there’s this tiny little disused slate mine, right, called the Blue Lagoon, right? We went there a few weeks ago with the kids. And there’s like these really big jumps that you can do into water where the slate mine has been basically filled with the sea now. And everyone talks about the fact that Red Bull went there, I think, about in 2013. And they had, like, you can still see where they had a massive dive board right at the top, like, I don’t know, it was like 100 meters up, absolutely insane dives. I mean, we didn’t do that. We did like a 30 meter drive, and that was scary enough. I nearly, like, yeah, had a heart attack. You see my little kids just like jumping off, like. You didn’t jump from space, Matt. But the point being is, is that, you know, like the fact that that brand has built those experiences and extreme sports and people now talk about the legacy, that’s just a tiny little community, a tiny little place, for example, where that happened. Like, I just think it’s like testament to what you’re talking about, which is around belief systems, purpose, and actually leaning into that. There’s a question I love to ask leadership teams, which is like, why do we exist beyond making money? Like, you lot want to get rich, that’s fine, I’ve not got anything against that, but consumers don’t care that you lot want to get rich and retire and go to the beach in Hawaii in five years’ time, or that your board want to sell out to another board in three years’ time. That’s your purpose, like individually, that’s great, but why should everyone else care, right? That’s the key. And I think what you’ve just described there is brands that have tapped in to that and thought about it, not just from their own perspective, but from the consumer’s perspective and the wider, perhaps societal perspective as well, which of course then lends itself to a consumer thinking, oh, I don’t mind paying a little bit more perhaps for this brand than another brand.

So yeah, I think that that’s like to your Red Bull example, like Red Bull has done such a good job of, you ask people in Red Bull, they say like, it gives you wings. That’s our whole ideology, right? Like we are there to empower possibility. And so then it becomes very easy to say yes or no to things, right? Like, hey, does this make sense to build a diving board on top of an abandoned mine? Yes, like of course it does. So I think that so much of what Red Bull did was they did world building, right? Because they have their product line, but then they exist far beyond that. And that’s what such an interesting case study, and looking at how even how modern brands are built, right? Like modern brands have to participate in culture beyond just product, right? So it has to be events, it has to be your partnership strategy. So you have to bring texture and understanding so that the brand can be fully dimensionalized. And Red Bull anchored to that idea of gives you wings and just like built an entire universe out of it.

Yeah, for sure. It’s like experiential, isn’t it? And not just customer experience, right? Like as you sort of talk about, it’s like beyond the buying journey, right? This is like just around the idea of the concept. And like to touch on your point for Tractor Beverage, you’re building experiences for employees to create them into believers as well. Now, I remember reading about Whirlpool, which is a really dry utilities brand here in the UK that sell like washing machines and white goods and kettles and stuff. And I think one of their kind of things that they do is they get people, they have a Whirlpool house, right? And they send their employees to live in it for like a week or something, right? And all the products are Whirlpool products. So you know, they guess to just live there and experience all the products. That’s one example. There’s another example that I love, which I used to do a bit of work with with boots here in the UK, which are, I think they’re called Walgreens boots now, I think Walgreens bought them out. I don’t know if they’re in the US at all, but in the UK, they’re one of the UK’s oldest chemists. And when I was living in Nottingham, which is where Mr. Boots originally came from, they have their HQ in Nottingham. And what they do is they have stores all over the UK national, and they do this thing where they, because their big idea is around customer service and making sure that kind of customers are serviced in an excellent way, they send, well, they tell all their staff, they have to go for, I think it’s two weeks, to a store and serve customers like on the tills, right? Like that’s no matter who you are in the business. And what they find is, is that that’s so helpful because when it’s the, what they call the golden quarter, which is the lead up to Christmas, a lot of people, they want their Christmas holiday, but they want to kind of be near home also around that time. So a lot of people kind of book in to their local boots, where maybe they’re going home to see their parents or something, they’ll go in two weeks before, add to the local boots in their local town, go serve customers for two weeks whilst being around mom and dad, and they’ll probably get completely sick of them and wish they never did it for the rest of the holidays. But it’s such a cool idea, isn’t it? The point being is that you’ve got big ideas and you’re building experiences, yes, for customers, but also for your team around it, so they can believe and they can become, I think you call them evangelists, which I think is such a great word.

Yeah, and that it also helps with retention too, right? And I had somebody I worked with at Tractor, who she had come from seven generation, and they got the which is like a leader in sustainability. And so they would actually get calls from other brands to be like, hey, can you help us be better at sustainability? And so they became known for that and they’re advancing it. So it really is creating that belief system, creating that world, right? Just world-building both internally and externally, so the brand feels cohesive and it feels dimensional and it feels like it is a living breathing thing, not the thin brands that a lot of times we just see stood up and kind of pushed it, which is so easy to do now.

I was going to ask about that Justin, because there’s so many soda brands, we’ve been talking a lot about soda and drinks and soda brands pop up every day and they’re gone within months. It’s a very competitive category. We’ve talked about so many things to do like the internal beliefs, well, the belief system, internally, externally, more than the products and organizational design, the culture, all of these good things. But what other things do you see these brands doing wrong that they could potentially improve?

Yeah, I think beverage, specifically CPG beverage is really challenging, right? Because if you walk to your local grocer, we have Whole Foods or AeroOn or 7-Eleven, it’s just a really crowded category, and it’s really hard to get things to break through. So a lot of the times, you have very thin marketing budgets for these organizations. So it’s like how do you, one, get on the shelf and then create a poll for it, right? So that’s a real challenge. So you have to be really smart with your spend. So that comes to knowing exactly who your consumer is, and then who you want to connect with, and then figuring out probably a mix of creator and partnership strategy to get the brand seen and then trialed and expanded. So it’s, but CBG beverages is, I think less than 3% of beverage companies make it. So to the proof of concept, that’s what I’ve heard. Don’t take it as a fact, but that’s what I’ve heard. It’s an exciting category to play in, and it’s great to have like cans in hands and to be able to just do fun things with it. But it’s also, it’s hard to pay that longevity, right? And that’s when the doctor we saw at Tractor was like, hey, what if, rather than challenge retail, what if we just went to food service? And that was just a totally different animal.

Category is important that we haven’t really talked too much about category, but your 3% is wild. You hear about all the unicorns like Olipop and some other big brands, and like billion-dollar valuations. They’re like, oh, this can’t be too hard. And then they enter the market, and they’re like, in reality, it’s…

It’s interesting because now you see so much protein products in the market, everything going functional. So a lot of it is… A lot of brands were under where lightning just struck, right? So it’s like Olipop and Poppy came out with, hey, what if there’s a modern soda that didn’t have the sugar content, but maybe had some prebiotic benefits to it? What if we shifted the way we thought about soda? And so they were kind of the first movers in the space, and then they kind of gave birth this whole functional beverage. We had cambootches at the time, we had hydration stuff, but now you see so many hydrations, so many protein, mental clarity, adaptogens, THC products. So it’s a fun area to experiment into, but it’s also the retail pressures are really tough.

Yeah, for sure. I want to just go back into some principles stuff, if I may. So you talk about building an ecosystem, content strategy, making it live. How do you do that? Have you got any kind of, I don’t know, like can you think back to TOMS or maybe what you do now? Like what are the sort of the building blocks that you walk through with a founder? Because you’re going to have to get investment, right? So when you’re talking to the founder or the CEO, you’re like, you’ve got all these great ideas, and they’re going to be like, I know the question they’re going to be asking, how much is this going to cost me, right? And what’s my ROI? Every dollar I spend with you, Justin, like I want to get two back, like how do you deal with justifying and giving them a plan, and how do you go around building that?

Yeah. So at TOMS, it was all instinct. It was just like, and also it was pre the mckenzie-fication of the brand world, right? So now what I do is with my brands, say we have to align business and brand objectives. We have to think of them as one thing, right? We have to think of what sentiment we’re trying to drive with the brand, how that’s going to impact the revenue, and how the revenue spend is going to impact the brand. So those have to be built in unison. What’s the brand goal? What’s the business goal? So if it’s to increase, show 35 percent growth here and the brand goal is to be the favorite X of whomever, then you start to create a plan around that. And what I do with my teams is I create three global strategies for the brand. So for instance, like at Tractor, it would be, let’s be in the first 15 percent movers of the whole food service category. So whether that’s health and hospital, hospitality, let’s attack the first 15 percent there. Let’s grow our existing accounts and then let’s double down on mission. And those are the three things that I do from a brand and business side and then the whole organization would align around it, right? So then KPIs are put forth by the Ops team and you say, okay Ops, what are you going to do to help drive adoption for the top 15%? How are you going to grow existing accounts? And then how are you going to double down on brand and business? So they might come back with some sustainability ideas or some ideas on how we can drive more efficiencies to drive probability. So it gets everyone basically operating on the same three strategies, this service, both brand and business. And that’s to me, that’s been the most effective way to align it. And then you can start to assign budgets and KPIs around that. But you’re like, globally, what we’re trying to do is hit, you know, 28% growth and grow our share of voice or share of attention by X. And then everyone’s kind of working in the same direction there.

I love that. Sounds like you’ve got, and forgive me if I’ve got this wrong, but you’ve got like commercial goals, right? And then you’ve lathered how the brand is going to help to fulfill those. And then you go out to the rest of the business to ladder into the brand and commercial goals. That is definitely the way to do it, I find. I often find myself fighting with executives to try and adopt such a model. It’s tricky, isn’t it? So, but the companies that you’ve worked in, they’re already on board with brand, or do you ever have to explain and persuade?

There’s some explain, like at TOMS there wasn’t, but at Tractor there wasn’t too much, but there always is that fight, right? Like what’s the long-term going to be? And also, there historically hasn’t been a really good way that I found to measure long-term brand growth and impact, right? Like you make a $10 investment here, like when will you see it? So I think for me, a lot of it, and this is probably something you do too, is like figuring out how to create common language between brand and business, right? Being able to show the finance team what long-term equity and build looks like, and then the things we need to invest in now. So like that’s a lot of my pursuit too, is I’ve even built tools to help drive clarity. So it’s like, hey, what are we aligning on and what are we investing in? And then how can we then measure those results? So much of it is, especially in the era of analytics, now even AI analytics, it’s like every input has to have some kind of return or some kind of measurement. And that to me, it’s like trying to write poetry in a spreadsheet. You know, it’s like you have to have some magic there, you know?

Yeah, I so agree with that. And it’s so tough. It’s almost like we’ve allowed the overlords of finance, which I’m not being naïve, right? Finance are important, right? But we’ve allowed them to become the dictators, right? But what they don’t do, this is my personal take anyway, is they’re not the ones that create the value, right? They’re the ones that count the beans after the value has been created, and they’re measuring and exploiting, if you like, what has been created. And then, right, we come along and we’re like, let’s try to create this new thing, and they’re like, they’ve sort of taken over, and they’ve said, right, justify everything. It’s like, well, no, hold on, you wouldn’t even be sat there if people like us hadn’t created something for you to sit there. But you’ve forgotten that, and the business has forgotten that because we’ve become entrenched in this way of thinking, which is very protecting, almost rear view mirror protecting, you justify your existence. It’s like, well, no, you justify your existence, right? You create new value in finance, and then we’re all listening to you. But that’s not going to happen, is it? But it’s almost like not on a par. It’s almost like we feel we have to persuade and defend our way into that conversation.

The age-old pursuit, right? And also, when finance, when you’re based on a quarter and you’re trying to hit that quarter, it just creates a pressure cooker. So I think I would encourage brands to think in 18-month to three-year terms for long-term objectives, and then make sure you’re not eroding your brand in the interim. You have to be building towards something great. It’s like, if you’re trying to build, say I’m a showrunner and I create a TV series, and I’m like, here’s the five-year arc of this thing, right? And then finance says, oh, that first episode was great, can you pack it all into one year then? It’s like, no, you’re not seeing the whole idea for this whole landscape we’re building, the world we’re going to build. So I think that being able to find financial partners that you can share common language with and common objectives, and then how you define those, it’s kind of the Rosetta Stone in your industry, right?

All right, so principles wise, we’ve talked about how you start to build that, you’ve talked about how you work with the founder, how you layer the objectives and how the brand kind of sits really just underneath the commercial objectives of the business in terms of driving it forward. I was going to kind of flip the script a little bit and talk about in terms of your advice to say early starting out brands in perhaps competitive market spaces, we’re talking about challenger brands, right? Like most people starting a business, they have an idea and they think they can challenge the establishment for some reason. What you’ve done in your career is exploded that beyond just a product. So how do people get themselves out of just, hey, I’ve got this great product, to really think about that ecosystem that you’ve been describing. That’s really tough to do, isn’t it?

It’s really tough to do, especially for founders who have the burden of driving the business forward. So I would say to founders, make sure you get a great creator partner that can really help you understand the rhythms and the possibility of the brand. Because I’m not a finance guy, I can manage the P&L stuff, but it’s like, you don’t want me running supply chain. What you want me doing is just unearthing the possibility of what a brand can be. Figure out what we can uniquely own and how to express it in the most powerful way possible. So with founders, if you’re creatively minded, make sure you get a really great operator. If you’re operationally minded, make sure you get a really great creator. So they can help you really expand the possibility of it. Because there’s a book called Rocket Fuel that talks about this idea where there’s visionary and there’s an integrator. This is the Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak dynamic. The idea that you have to have somebody who’s looking towards possibility, then someone who’s helping kind of distill that and then integrate it, right? So that to me is an important dynamic to explore. So the idea of vision and integration of vision.

Love that. Yeah. Peter Drucker says, I’m not going to quote him verbatim, but he says something along the lines of like, it’s almost impossible to live in the future, right? To have people that focus in the future vision and work in the operations of today, because the firefighting always takes over, right? So you almost like have to compartmentalize those two things, and I think that that makes a lot of sense to have two people in the business at a high level whose jobs are to do that, one to look forward and one to deal with the realities of today.

So go back to the real quick drop, the whole idea, another entertainment parallel, right? Great TV shows need a show runner, somebody who can hold the whole world in their head, they can orchestrate the team, they can manage to the budget, they can express the idea in a beautiful way, they can get the actors, they can coach the team, and then they have the studio that does all the financing and the marketing, etc. But I think businesses should look at this too, like who’s going to be your chief brand officer, your show runner? Who’s going to be the one that holds the idea of the brand and pulls it through to the consumer? I think as the chief marketing officers become the chief revenue officer, chief growth officer, there’s a vacancy on a lot of C-suites for chief brand officer, chief creative officer, chief culture officer, somebody that can help the ideas of the brand translate into culture and into the world at large.

Right, and challenge decision-making at the highest level that perhaps doesn’t sit within that framework, right?

Yeah.

That might be damaging or be very short-termism, and as you say, not grasp the overall concept and go against it almost and cannibalize it. So I wanted to ask you, at the start we talked about tension, right? When you were describing storytelling and stuff, you were talking about that tension. Does it challenge a brand? Obviously, I guess it’s challenging the status quo, but does it need an enemy and what kind of enemy would you pick?

So I think yes, and I think that the enemy could just be anything from boredom or sameness or something. So I think just being able to name what you’re against is important. So within this too, within tension, there’s something called cultural strategy, which you guys are probably familiar with, where Doug Cameron wrote this book about it, but it’s an examination of how iconic brands remain relevant. The way they do that is to own their ideology and then push against an existing cultural tension. So for us at Tractor, we launched a brand campaign and it was a 90-second animated spot. We’re telling the Tractor story in a way that was showing the consumer like, hey, we’re a new beverage is trying to exist in food service. But what we’re really doing is tapping into more the cultural tension, which is that there are corporations that are forcing their point of view on you, that you don’t really have choice in the matter, that there is always just things are binary, that you’re feeling that a lot within culture. So we used our ideology, which is a better food system and pushed against the idea of lack of choice, and created this campaign that felt bigger than a 90-second handmade spot, but it felt like a cultural truth. So I think for brands, knowing who they are ideologically and the belief system they’re operating under, but then being able to interject into culture, not co-opt it, but just say, hey, listen, people are scared of AI right now. Hey, listen, like the middle class is getting like man-to-town, like what cultural truths can we take from that? And then push it into something that’s really resonant. And I feel like that is the work that Nike used to do so beautifully, the Apple used to do really well, where it’s saying, hey, we’re going to be able to push against, whether it’s the Colin Kaepernick stuff or much other stuff, the cultural attention of the day to advance the idea of the athlete. So I think naming an enemy is important. And I also think being aware of the tension and culture that you can rightfully play in. So those are tremendously important, because a movie about a guy who lives a great life and walks through unscathed is super boring. So you have to be able to have somebody who’s fighting for something or believes in something and is challenged by something.

Right. So what was TOMS challenging, would you say, Justin, from the inside? What would you describe it as?

Blake, too, is very solidly that business could be used as a force for good. Right. So I think that we’re challenging that convention. When you think about it at the time, the history lesson for the younger viewers, there’s 2008, you had financial collapse, we saw institutions failing us. There was stuff happening with sweatshops and things like that. People were just really tired of the corporate creed, right? So that’s kind of the undercurrent of what’s happening. And then TOMS came along and said, hey, what if there’s a different way we do business, right? What if there was a way that we incorporated giving into it? And so it worked really well at the time because in society, you’re seeing institutional collapse, you’re seeing people lose their homes, you’re seeing greedy capitalism. And so that to me was, TOMS always stood for, let’s use business to do more good. And anything that we were working on was about helping businesses do more good. And so that’s, it wasn’t the one form business model. It wasn’t just about like helping underprivileged people. It was the idea that like, let’s build a new way of doing business.

Nice. And when a challenger brand becomes sort of more established, like TOMS has today, for example, how do you kind of keep that mentality going, I guess? Like, does the brand need to adapt much? I suppose if the big idea is big enough and the belief is strong enough, I guess it doesn’t necessarily need to. But, you know, what are your thoughts on adaptation over years?

I think adaptation and innovation are critical, right? Because like, if you look at, if Nike would have just came out with the same silhouette and been like, hey, we’re just going to push the waffle shoes forever, then that isn’t creating new ways to connect the consumers. So to me, I think it is heavy on product innovation, then also tapping into culture and the way that we talked about earlier, right? So even like at TOMS, I think that they probably, we had a bunch of new product lines, but I don’t, we were on such a trend cycle with and a fad with the early silhouette of the Alpurgata, there was hard to regain that heat. So like how do you manage that as an organization? So I think owning the ideology, giving stuff, giving consumers things to participate and be excited about, i.e. products, partnerships, et cetera, and then tapping in the cultural attention to make the brand constantly relevant is like the high level blueprint.

I love it. Okay, cool. So Jacob, I’m going to turn to you. Got any follow up questions for Justin before we get into our quick fire?

Well, I think relevance is something we’ve just touched on, and maybe we unpack relevance a little bit more, how to actually stay relevant. What are you actually doing to stay relevant? What are you looking into and how do you make decisions of what to do to be integrated into culture and so forth?

Yeah, I think it’s like you have to stay curious, you have to have people who can stay curious too. So I think it’s important to know who your core consumer is, who’s your tribe, and then making sure that you’re keeping a finger on the pulse. That means whether it’s agency partners or new hires, just making sure that people are brought in where they can keep the pulse on that. We built TOMS 16 years ago at this point. I probably am not the perfect person to be talking to 28-year-olds right now, like the way the world understands. So I think that it’s important to bring in new ideas, but maintain the same fundamentals.

Right. Do we have quick fire, Matt, or do we have another segment? Yeah.

Now, I think we should go straight into quick fire because we’re coming to the end of our time. We had tons more questions for you, Justin. I guess my first quick fire question is, when is the book coming out?

Oh, man. My mom keeps asking me the same question. It’s just like, do I write the Hollywood book? Do I write the purpose-driven book? Do I write the, I don’t know. So maybe you can give me some feedback on what book is needed. All right.

All right. Okay, next one. Favorite challenger brand right now.

I love brands that are messing with format. I love what Vacation is doing with their sunscreen. I love what Grazza did, which is totally disrupting an old stodgy category. People are remixing culture in that format. So those are brands that I immediately go to, is just the old stodgy brands and then just doing a funny flip on it.

Awesome.

Nice. Jacob.

A brand with brilliant purpose.

One that is an older brand that I really just discovered their story more recently is this brand, Yerba Madre, and what they do is they reforest rainforests. So they are a regenerative brand and they’ve been doing it for like 30 years working directly with indigenous peoples. They’ve done it in a way that has, their story isn’t told that often, but I’m really inspired by what they’ve done. And then from a product side, they’ve been able to just kind of own like this clean energy space. So for me, like they’re an OG brand that just hasn’t gotten the shine that they need to.

Most overrated idea in modern branding.

Oh man.

We just love to ask the easy ones, right?

Yeah. I mean, I think this, the whole with Claude and with AI and everything, the whole idea that everyone can be a brand builder or that like everybody’s a marketer is just, it’s so exhausting. You know, it’s just like, I’ll show up to a meeting and somebody will bring in a ChatGPT render of something. I’m like, oh boy. So I think that’s the most overrated. It’s a useful tool, but listen, I can give my son a hammer, but he can’t build a house, right?

There you go.

All right.

What’s one brand you wish you built?

Okay. So this is out of my category, but I love Buck Mason. I love the men’s program Buck Mason. US based, they were doing all, they just tried to make the perfect t-shirt and then the perfect jean. Then they expanded into just a really classic military-inspired men’s wear and they’ve done the brand right. They didn’t take on institutional capital. They can play nice in culture. They have a super elevated aesthetic and really comfy clothes that are really stylish. So for me, I’m not a men’s wear guy or I haven’t spent a lot of time in that, but that’s one I’m like, that would have been sick to make that.

All right. Sneaky little one here. Purpose or positioning?

Neither. I think belief.

I knew you were going to say that. I think belief.

Yeah.

That’s why I thought I’d like, see if I catch you out there, little sneaky one, Jacob.

What’s one lesson you’ll take from TOMS that you’ll carry forever?

So many lessons, but I think that the impact that belief systems and founders can have on not only the company but where everyone goes from there. If you look at TOMS, one of the lasting impacts is everyone that was there during that period, or a lot of them have gone on to do really interesting things that have impacted more industries. A lot of times when you’re thinking about building an organization, you’re sending kids to grad school. You’re saying like, hey, here’s the way we do business, here’s how we think about it, and they’re going to take that and they’re going to go to different industries. So for me, it’s about really creating alignment around the founder and then integrating that into all the quarters of the company.

All right. One piece of advice for somebody trying to build a brand people genuinely can care about.

Don’t try to make them care about it. Do what you love. Musicians, they say, write the album you want to listen to. If you’re trying to play a pen to tell the donkey and trying to be impressive to people, then you’re going to come across as fake, right? So it’s like you got to do something that you truly feel a need for, and then create the energy around that. Because otherwise, if you’re just trying to be impressive, then it comes across as disingenuous.

All right, mate. Where can people connect with you and learn more and discover your book?

I’m a forthcoming book. We’re going to co-write. Just find me on LinkedIn is probably the best. I’m just Justin Herber, and you can find me there. You just want to see me traveling with my family. You can find me on Instagram. But LinkedIn is probably the most selling place to meet me, and then I’ll eventually roll out the whole catalog of all the things I’ve built at some point online.

Amazing. Well, listen, thanks so much for taking the time to speak to us about this. Really, really appreciate it. Thanks, folks, for tuning in. Jacob and I would absolutely love it if you could leave us a little review and anything that you found helpful from what Justin’s shared. I know he would be appreciative as well to know that he’s had an impact. So drop us a note, give us five stars, of course, assuming, of course, you think it’s a five-star episode. And that’ll be wonderful. Thanks, everybody. Have a great rest of your days, and look forward to having you back again for the next episode of JUST Branding.

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MAD//Masters has now introduced an on demand option at half the cost of the live programme. It does not include the live aspect, but it gives me the flexibility to work through the material in my own time.

For me, that was the perfect fit.

So, I’ve officially signed up.

Why I want to learn more about behavioural science

Behavioural science is relatively new territory for me, which is exactly why I want to study it.

Brand building is ultimately about people. It requires us to understand how people perceive value, make decisions, form preferences and choose one option over another.

Those decisions are rarely as rational as we like to believe.

As brand builders, we can easily become focused on strategy frameworks, positioning exercises, data and established processes. These tools are useful, but they can also lead us towards familiar answers.

Behavioural science offers another lens.

It can help us understand why people behave in ways that conventional logic does not always explain, and how perception, emotion, context and psychology shape the decisions they make.

I’m not taking the course because behavioural science is already my area of expertise. I’m taking it because it isn’t.

The point is to challenge my existing thinking, develop new ways to approach problems and become a better brand builder.

What is MAD//Masters by Rory Sutherland?

MAD//Masters is a Rory Sutherland course designed to help marketers, founders, agency leaders and other commercial professionals apply behavioural science, creative thinking and experimentation to real business problems.

Rather than encouraging students to simply repeat conventional marketing theory, the programme focuses on how to think, ask better questions and consider less obvious solutions.

The course explores areas such as:

• Understanding customer behaviour through a psychological lens
• Reframing problems and considering unconventional solutions
• Making better decisions using practical mental checklists
• Taking calculated creative risks
• Recognising the strengths and limitations of data
• Using creativity, experimentation and behavioural science together
• Challenging conventional marketing and business logic
• Finding more distinctive ways to compete

The MAD//Masters course also examines concepts such as choice architecture, heuristics, loss aversion, social proof, reverse benchmarking and the relationship between perception and reality.

What appeals to me most is the focus on asking better questions.

Instead of simply optimising what already exists, Rory encourages you to step back, challenge the assumptions behind the problem and consider whether there is a more interesting way forward.

That feels especially relevant to branding. As Rory explained in our conversation about problem framing and creative brand thinking, the strongest solution is not always the most obvious or rational one.

Learning at my own pace

The new on demand format means I can work through MAD//Masters at my own pace without battling the time difference between the UK and Australia.

It also makes Rory Sutherland’s course more accessible for anyone interested in behavioural science and creative problem solving who cannot commit to scheduled live sessions.

The on demand option gives me the flexibility to study when it suits me, revisit useful ideas and consider how I can apply them to branding, strategy and client work.

I’m particularly interested in exploring how behavioural science can improve the way we:

• Frame brand and business problems
• Understand customer motivations
• Communicate value
• Make strategic decisions
• Develop more distinctive ideas
• Challenge assumptions within a brief
• Create brands that connect with people emotionally

I’ll share more once I’ve worked through the course and had a chance to put the ideas into practice.

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If you want a taste of Rory’s thinking before considering the course, listen to our JUST Branding Podcast episode, Problem Framing: Rewire How You Think, Create and Lead.

In the episode, Rory explains how changing the way we define a problem can reveal creative opportunities that conventional thinking misses.

We discuss behavioural science, emotional decision making, creativity, brand strategy and why reframing a bad brief can produce much better answers.

I’m looking forward to getting started, exploring a field that is relatively new to me and bringing what I learn back into my work as a brand builder.

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Choosing a font for a project isn’t always an easy task but this list of professional classic and elegant serif fonts will make the task a little easier.

When it comes to typography, the beauty is in how well it expresses your voice. Serif fonts have a lot to offer in terms of simplicity and elegance.

These fonts always add flair to your typography, really helping it stand out. If you’re working on a logo or branding project, be sure to check our post on the best serif fonts for logos.

But before you dive in, you may want to consider this incredible offer below.

Also see our features on the best regal fonts, and the best luxury fonts.

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Classy Fonts for Classic & Elegant Designs

1. JUST Serif® – Modern Editorial Serif Font

JUST Serif® brings classic elegance into a contemporary setting. Its high contrast letterforms, sculpted terminals and warm humanist curves give logos, headlines and brand identities a refined presence without making them feel cold or overly formal.

The family includes seven weights from Extra Light to Extra Bold, plus a variable font for precise creative control. With more than 400 characters and support for 200+ languages, JUST Serif® is a versatile choice for luxury branding, packaging, editorial design, websites, posters and international visual identities.

It also pairs naturally with JUST Sans, allowing designers to combine expressive display typography with clear, practical supporting copy.

2 Giveny – Classy Serif Font

As if designed specifically for magazines and publication headlines, Giveny does a tremendous job of looking stunning in simplicity. This all-uppercase font bundle is arguably one of the fiercer-looking picks from the bunch but equally as classy and sophisticated.

3. Pierson An Essential Serif Typeface

A classy serif font never goes out of style, and Pierson is proof of that. Complete with a ton of styles and variations, you’re free to pick both thick and slender versions of the font.

Classy, pretty, legible, and light on the eyes—what’s not to like?

4. Gadhen – Classy Fonts

Anyone who says funky display fonts can’t be classy hasn’t seen Gadhen – Classy Fonts yet. Great for both small texts and large signages, this trendy headline font is as crisp and sophisticated as it gets.

5. TAN Aegean

TAN Aegean is an elegant typeface that makes clever use of swashes. Great for branding designs, marketing projects, and headlines, this classic favorite is a best seller for obvious reasons.

6. Megante – Classy Font

Megante‘s chic overall shape and its striking combination of thick and slender make it a standout. Suitable for branding and marketing efforts, this bundle comes with uppercase and lowercase letters, numbers, basic punctuation marks, and  TTF, OTF,  and WOFF formats.

7. Holland Classy Font

Nothing says elegant the way a signature font does. So if this is the aesthetic you’re gunning for, try Holland Classy Font. Loaded with both uppercase and lowercase letters, this bundle also comes with basic punctuation marks, multi-lingual support, and numbers.

8. MABOZ Classy Advertisement Font

Designed specifically for eye-popping billboards and advertisements, MABOZ does a swell job of immediately capturing one’s attention. Mixing thick and slender and packing odd-shaped holes inside a few characters, this classy font bundle is a standout for reasons that don’t require elaboration.

9. Ahayo – Classy Elegant Font

Another expensive-looking sans serif on the list is Ahayo. Combining thick structures with slender lines, this pick feels straight out of a premium product’s logo. Featuring only uppercase letters, this bundle makes for a spectacular option for headlines and branding projects.

10. Bastine Modern Classy Serif Font

Bastine is a contemporary, sophisticated serif font that features a plethora of unique alternative glyphs and ligatures created using unique style, regular, and outline. Perfect for magazines, branding projects, advertising materials, and headlines, there are plenty of things you can create with this one.

11. Amoore – A Classy Handdrawn

Are hand-drawn fonts more of your thing? If so, you’re going to enjoy making designs with Amoore, a classy hand-drawn font. Loaded with all uppercase letters, punctuation marks, and numbers, this font bundle makes for a fantastic headline.

12. Valky

Valky is a classy modern typeface that features occasionally exaggerated swashes and a combination of thick and thin structures. Suitable for branding logos and other similar projects, this striking pick is one of the more visually memorable options here.

13. TAN – ALASTAIRE

Working on a book cover? You might want to use TAN – ALASTAIRE. Complete with both uppercase and lowercase letters, this display script is perfect for a variety of designs and illustrations.

14. Rutch Display Font

Rutch is a funky-looking display font that’s both trendy and elegant. Legible enough to be light on the eyes and distinct enough to stand out, this all-uppercase wavy contender is a visual feast for plenty of reasons.

15. Frankfute Classy Font

Frankfute is ideal for stunning titles and logos. Featuring numbers, symbols, and both uppercase and lowercase letters, this pick here is equally distinct from previous contenders. Here, all of the fonts, including web fonts, are included, as are OTF and TTF files.

16. Bon Vivant Family

Bon Vivant is a font duo that features script and serif fonts. Designed primarily for elegant branding efforts, this upscale-feeling font bundle is great for premium products and experiences.

17. The Chatalestick – Classy Font Duo

Another classy font duo you might like is The Chatalestick, a strong condensed sans serif and a classy script font. It’s perfect for a lot of design projects, too, although you’ll want to note only the script option has small letters.

18. Blessing – Classy Handlettered Font

If you’re looking for a hand-lettered font, then Blessing may be just that—a blessing. As if written with a marker, this pick feels authentic, warm, and familiar.

19. Eugusto Display Typeface

Another sans serif stunner in the bunch is Eugusto Display Typeface. Featuring 3 styles and over 350 glyphs, this bundle is beyond complete. If you’re looking for a fun mix of playful and elegant, this soft-edged font pack is a strong contender.

20. Rossanova

Does your project call for a cute and trendy but classy typeface? Then Rossanova might just be the solution for that. Featuring soft and rounded edges, this thick-structured font bundle is suitable for plenty of designs.

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28+ Classic & Elegant Serif Fonts

Here is an overview of 12 of the best classic serif fonts but for more, scroll on. We feature classy serif fonts, luxury serif fonts, and premium serif fonts.

You’ll find fresh picks as well as tried and true old serif fonts. Now let’s dive in!

1. Nimbus Roman No 9

The Nimbus Roman No 9 is a classy and elegant font that can work well for more sophisticated projects. Created by URW Studio in 1987, it looks very similar to the Times New Roman font and generally carries the same overall tone. This is a true classic serif font.

2. ITC Garamond Light

Created by Tony Stan in 1975, ITC Garamond Light has ITC’s signature house style. Much like most serif fonts, it works for serious and elegant messaging. As the name conveys, Claude Garamond’s typography work inspired this font. 

3. Minion

Minion was created in 1990 by Adobe Systems inspired by the late-renaissance era. Designed by Robert Slimbach, it’s intended for body text, keeping legibility uppermost in mind. Minion is a balanced and clean font that can be great when used to convey more serious messaging.

4. URW Antiqua

URW Antiqua was designed by Hermann Zapf in 1985, alongside URW Grotesk — a sans serif font that goes well with it. The font by itself is great for conveying more elegant themes.

5. Times

The Times font is from the same font family as the more popular Times New Roman font. This font is great for conveying a serious and academic voice. There are several variations of this font available, but the Times font is in a class all its own.

6. Baskerville

Baskerville, a typeface created by John Baskerville in the 1750s, and characterized by its more circular strokes, is used often for marketing messaging. Popularized presently by Microsoft, this font, like most serif fonts, is sophisticated and bold.

7. Baskerville No. 2

Created by the URW Design Staff in 1980, the above typeface served as the inspiration for this font. Characterized by its thin, more circular, and sophisticated strokes, the Baskerville No. 2 is an iteration of the popular Baskerville font. This is a true luxury serif font. 

8. Mrs Eaves

Mrs Eaves is a font designed by Zuzana Licko in 1996. It’s a transitional serif typeface that is used in display contexts such as book descriptions and titles. This font can convey elegant and fanciful messaging and titles.

9. Cheltenham Old Style No 2

URW Type Foundry produced the Cheltenham Old Style No 2. For body copy in books and magazines, this typeface works beautifully. It is based on the Cheltenham font that architects Bertram Goodhue and Ingalls Kimball created in 1896 for the Cheltenham press. This font has a strong, memorable style.

10. Cushing Std-Book

The Cushing Std-Book typeface was created by Vincent Pacella and is trademarked by the International Typeface Corporation. This is yet another great typeface for presswork and body copy that keeps things interesting and elegant.

11. Aldine 721

Originally designed by the font designer Frank Hinman Pierpont, this font was later adapted for digital printing and use by Bitstream. Aldine 721 is great for legibility and sophisticated overtones.

12. Plantin Std

Named after the 16th Century printer Christophe Plantin, this typeface was the predecessor to the Times New Roman — and was the basis for this typeface. Plantain Std is a modern-day variation of this font. The font is great for magazine text and anything that requires substance and class. This is a true timeless serif font.

13. Sabon

Originally designed by German-born designer Jan Tschichold, this old-style serif font was later digitized by Linotype. Sabon is a slender and legible typeface that is great for book covers, poetry, quotes, and even posters. Like most serif fonts, it conveys an overall sophisticated feel.

14. Arno Pro

Arno Pro is a serif font created by Robert Slimbach from Adobe Type for professional use. Heavily inspired by Italian renaissance texts, this font is great for book design, even earning a winning entry in the 2007 Type Design Competition.

15. Palatino

This old-type serif font was created by Hermann Zapf in 1949 and later published by Linotype. Palatino was later licensed to Adobe and Apple, which made it a pre-installed font, increasing the popularity of this elegant typeface. This font family has 20 styles and family package options. This is a very formal serif font, and a top funeral font choice too.

16. Centaur MT Std

This serif typeface was created by Bruce Rogers and later released in 1929. Also known as Metropolitan, this font variation was digitized and licensed by Linotype. Inspired by renaissance printing in the 1470s, Centaur MT Std conveys a scholarly tone.

17. Bookman Light

This old-style serif font was inspired by Bookman Old Style that was created in the 1860s. It rose in popularity in the 1960s and 1970s for its legible and classy characteristics. Bookman Light can give an impression of reliability without the heaviness.

18. Perpetua Std

The Perpetua font was designed by Eric Gill in the 1920s. This font was published by Monotype and comes with 22 styles in this package. Perpetua has a delicate and crisp font structure and is very similar to 18th-century British fonts like Baskerville.

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19. New Century Schoolbook Roman

New Century Schoolbook Roman was designed by Morris Fuller Benton in 1919. The transitional serif typeface was created to improve textbook readability (from where it derives its name). Later published by Linotype, this font retains its sophisticated and informative aesthetic.

20. Berthold Baskerville Book Regular

Berthold Baskerville is a reinterpretation of the classic Baskerville typeface from Berthold Type Foundry in the 1800s along with several other font variations. Most of the Baskerville typeface’s original features are still present in this font. The typeface is bolder and has sharper lines, which is one of the most obvious differences.

21. Scala Pro-Regular

Created by Martin Majoor in 1991, this font is an old-type serif, published by the FontFont Foundry. This font has an emphasis on clarity and is also very calligraphic in italics. Generally, it conveys a clear and crisp overall tone.

22. Garamond Premier

This font was created by Robert Slimbach for Adobe and is described as a more restrained and modernized approach to the classic Garamond font. Garamond fonts were re-envisioned by Slimbach to meet the business requirements of the time. Garamond Premier has a sophisticated, minimalistic appearance.

23. Bembo

Created by Monotype, this font is based on one used by the Venetian printer, Aldus Manutius. Bembo is an old-type serif font that rose in popularity because of its overall sleek look and its ability to remain consistent in color. This font has an elegant and clean aesthetic.

24. Times New Roman MTStd

Times New Roman by Monotype was designed by Stanley Morison and Victor Lardent. To date, this font is for many the golden standard for academic writing and the publishing of important information. The font is bold, legible, and leaves an official impression.

25. Caslon

Adobe Caslon was created by Carol Twombly and William Caslon for Adobe. This font was inspired by the Caslon font, designed by William Caslon in the 1600s. This old-type serif font looks sophisticated and has an overall clean look.

26. Bodoni

The Bodoni typeface is based on similar ones created in the 1800s by Giambattista Bodoni. Many of Bodoni’s fonts draw inspiration from the same design movement as Robert Baskerville. As a result, there is a slight similarity to the Baskerville typeface. The font’s exquisite appearance is enhanced by using alternate thin and broad strokes.

27. Goudy 38

Goudy 38 is a typeface by Red Rooster Collection based on Goudy Old Style. Goudy Old Style was particularly famous in advertising circles for its overall boldness and eligibility. The Goudy 38 retains this quality and adds a slightly whimsical touch to it.

28. Goudy Trajan Pro

Goudy Trajan Pro is “Fonts favored by Hollywood movies” by Frederic W. Goudy and Jason Castle. This font comes in three different styles and is similar to the Gowdy 38. If you want to give your project something different and unique, then go for this serif font.

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Classy, Classic & Elegant Professional Fonts Summary

A classic serif font is perfect for creating any project or document where you can expect readers will read it because it accentuates the ends of strokes. Serifs are not merely decorative, though, they add a touch of class and elegance to the design.

Have you got a favorite classic serif typeface or classy font was missed in this list? Let us know in the comments below.

For many designers, when it comes to designing a clean and elegant logo for a company, using a Serif font in their designs helps to add a little bit of flair, class & sophistication to the brand.

A serif font is easily identified by the “little feet” that appear at the ends of the letters being used. Searching for Serif fonts can lead you down the proverbial rabbit hole with all of the options there are to choose from.

To offer a bit of help, we wanted to focus on ten of our favorite Serif fonts you can use when branding or designing a logo with a clean and sophisticated look.

Now, you may have your own favorite Serif font and it may or may not appear on our list, but we recommend taking a closer look at the options presented here, some of which are revivals of the classics, ensuring your logo has a unique character to it.

Who knows, you may find a new font that you end up using for years to come.

See here for the best sans-serif fonts for clean & minimal logo design as well as the top fonts professionals use.

Also see Best Modern Serif Fonts and Best Round Serif Fonts

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20+ Best Serif Fonts for Modern, Stylish & Beautiful Designs

Below we list the most beautiful serif fonts and aesthetic serif fonts so you can the best serif font for your needs!

We feature modern serif fonts, bold serif fonts, and popular serif fonts so you have a wide range to choose from.

1. JUST Serif®

JUST Serif® is a contemporary high contrast serif typeface that combines editorial elegance with warmth and distinctive character. Its sculpted terminals, friendly curves and confident capitals make it especially effective for clean logos, luxury branding and memorable visual identities.

The family includes seven weights from Extra Light to Extra Bold, along with a variable font for greater control. With 400+ characters and support for 200+ languages, JUST Serif® is equally suited to packaging, posters, websites, magazines and international brand systems.

Designed as a companion to JUST Sans, it can be paired with a clean sans serif for supporting copy while JUST Serif handles expressive headlines, wordmarks and display typography.

2. Hermann

Designed in 2018 by Diego Aravena and Salvador Rodriguez, the Hermann font family is one of the design teams’ most readable fonts available so far. Looking at the works of Herman Hesse and Aldous Huxley for inspiration, the team found the concepts of duality, surrealism, and wildness frequently appeared, fueling the design process.

Designed to not only be an accurate font when it comes to legibility but can also present a feeling of being wild and bold. Available in ten different variations including italic and bold, the Hermann font is inspired by the novels of the 20th century and their worlds, taking its name from one of the most prolific authors of that era.

3. Recoleta

Like a melting pot, Recoleta combines many different aspects from fonts of the past to create something new, fresh, and with a modern flavor. By taking the soft and gentle shapes found in the Cooper font and the fluid angled strokes in Windsor, designer Jorge Cisterna has blended together a beautiful and familiar font that looks amazing in a logo or on a business card, giving them a look that’s unique

Available in a variety of weights, this font gives you the options you need to choose the best typographic color for whatever project you’re working on. While body text works well with a lighter weight, if you’re writing headlines, heavier weights are ideal.

The Recoleta font can make any design stand out like in the Waves to Wilderness logo.

4. Blacker

A wedge serif type font, Blacker was designed to be a take on the “evil serif” typeface genre. The high contrast, sharp wedge serif design was created by Cosimo Lorenzo Pancini and Andrea Tartarelli who were looking to evoke the proportions of fonts used in the 1970s.

Using the Latin alphabet, Blacker features an extended character set that covers more than seventy languages, including Russian Cyrillic. Small caps, fractions, alternate forms, four sets of figures, as well as superior and inferior figures, and discretionary ligatures are all features of the Blacker font family.

5. ITC Lubalin Graph

While it is technically a slab-serif font, the ITC Lubalin Graph font helps convey a no-nonsense look, that while strong, can be perfect for a modern design, especially with lighter weights.

ITC Lubalin Graph is a 1974 design that is based on an earlier sans serif font that was designed by Herb Lubalin, ITC Avant Garde. The character shapes may be identical between the two designs although Lubalin Graph adds a slab serif feature.

Designed to look good in applications from headlines to packaging, this is an extremely versatile font family.

6. Linotype Didot

Designed by Adrian Frutiger, the Linotype Didot font pays respect and tribute to one of the most important print shops and font foundries in France during the 18th and 19th centuries. The Didot family were active designers as well as printers, typeface designers, inventors, intellectuals as well as publishers during this era.

Frutiger’s Linotype Didot design is a sensitive interpretation of the French Modern Face Didot font and gives any text you use, a classic and elegant feel and at the same time paying respect to the original Didot family.

A truly stylish serif font, perfect for logo design, branding and fashion.

7. Begum

A Latin display serif typeface with contrast, the Begum font family has an ultra-contemporary appearance and shares DNA with other Anglo-Dutch font types such as Caslon, Fleischmann, or Times, with a slightly exotic feel.

Designed by Manushi Parikh, the Begum font truly shines when used with texts of a shorter length, article introductions that are multiple lines, and even on packaging.

8. ITC Caslon No. 224

Designed in 1983 for the International Typeface Corporation by Ed Benguiat, ITC Caslon 224 was designed to be a modern-day interpretation of the Caslon typeface.

With eight font weights ranging from Standard to Standard Black Italic, ITC Caslon 224 has a large x-height, a very high contrast between thin and thick strokes, and also provides transitions between the different weights smoothly.

9. Sabon

In the 1960s, a new typeface was requested by the German Master Printers’ Association to be designed and produced identically on both Linotype and Monotype machines in order for both the text and technical composition would match. Jan Tschichold was commissioned to use Claude Garamond’s classical and serene Roman font and design a new version.

Sabon succeeds although its bold and italic styles are limited by Linotype casting machine requirements. This forces the character widths to match between different styles and also gives the italic typeface its characteristic narrow f.

10. Bookmania

With 10 styles, 658 swashes, and a multitude of expert features, Bookmania is a font that any logo design can benefit from.

Designed by Mark Simonson in 2011, the Bookmania font type has all of the features that you may expect to appear when using a modern digital font family. As a revival of the Bookman Oldstyle, designed in 1901, and the Bookman font family from the 1960s, the Bookmania font family has the features that you need to make your logo design excel.

11. Gabriela Stencil

Designed by Antonio Mejia in 2016, Gabriela Stencil has a unique character while being part of a classic font family. Well-suited for headlines & fancy logos, the font emphasizes the modern and elegant personality that the font features and has been inspired by the style found with the Didone typefaces from the 19th century.

Also ideal for branding, short text, and publishing projects, Gabriela Stencil is a highly readable font with an x-height sized at 50% of the cap height, along with short ascenders and descenders. Available in six styles, the font family contains a 433-character set that supports over 200 different languages.

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12. Bridesmaid

Bridesmaid font is a new product and is also named Britain Rough Serif Font. This font is suitable for fun-themed, and classic vintage-themed projects. This font is also suitable for posters, apparel, badge, labels, and emblems. 

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13. Montage Serif Font 

The Montage Serif font works best with Cricut, Silhouette, Photoshops, Illustrator, Procreate, InDesign, and Canva Pro. This font looks subtle and elegant, so it works for clean and classy logos, titles, and headlines. 

14. Sundays Modern Serif Font

The Sundays Modern Serif Font draws inspiration from fonts like Baskerville. This font has a modern and classic touch that you can use for magazines, catalogs, mastheads, logos, and headers. This font features subtle curves and minimal serifs, which gives the font an elegant look. 

15. Hughe Serif Font Family

The Hughe Serif Font is a classy-looking font. This serif font is ideal for logos, posters, brochures, presentations, quotes, invitations, movie titles, magazines, book covers, branding, Halloween, Christmas, and Thanksgiving cards, packaging design, and many more creative projects.

This font features four styles such as regular, light, round, soft, and bold. This serif font contains uppercase letters, lowercase letters, numbers, punctuation, and special characters. The Hughe Serif font family has OTF and TTF file formats. This serif font also supports multilingual characters.

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16. Floreal Serif Font

Floreal is a sophisticated, modern, and fancy serif font with a hint of fashion. For websites, magazines, business cards, logos, tags, or any other broadcasting objectives, floral produces the greatest results.

Regular and true italic are the two fonts available in floral. It has elements like ligatures that help elevate and distinguish your project. This typeface has strong typographic legibility and has a good range for those with dyslexia.

17. Ferly Serif Font

Ferly is a magnificent, delicate font with multilingual support. A very adaptable font, Ferly produces the best results in both large and small sizes. The ideal applications for this font include magazine headings, advertising campaigns, home décor designs, product packaging, and adding attractive text to any backdrop image.

Ferly offers the finest results for promoting expensive and ostentatious goods like jewelry, diamonds, etc. The uppercase, punctuation, symbol, and number features of Ferly are available.

Our Favorite Serif Fonts

Still undecided? Below we’ve hand-selected our favorite 12 serif fonts from the list.

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Best Serif Fonts for Clean & Modern Logo Design Summary

Using a clean and stylish serif font in your logo design not only makes it sophisticated but can also add a bit of exciting flair to your design.

There are so many different, well-designed serif fonts that are available for any graphic designer to use.

We hope that our list of the ‘best professional serif fonts for logo design’ can provide you with some options you might not have considered before and inspires you.

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Do you have a favorite serif font that you use in your logo designs?

Let us know in the comments below.

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Our Top Pick

Looka Logo Maker

4.7

FREE

Our top pick goes to Looka as it's a powerful free logo maker (and brand builder) with a fun and user-friendly design. All it took for us to create a logo was a few clicks and five minutes! We customized a logo we loved and then Looka built out the rest of the brand! A truly seamless brand-building process we can't recommend more highly!

Pros:

• Incredibly easy to use
• Offers more than just logos

Cons:

• Full Brand-Kit offering is a paid add-on.

Coupon: Get 10% off Brand-Kit with coupon code ‘JUST10’.

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The more memorable your logo, the better it will be at striking a chord with your customers and keeping your brand fresh in their minds.

But designing a logo or getting it designed by a professional artist can be costly (see our guide to logo design costs here) so perhaps that is why you are looking for the free and best logo makers online.

If you are on a tight budget or run a small website/business, then investing money in your brand logo might not fit into your initial plans. But don’t forget that your brand’s visual identity is important as well.

So what to do?

Well, the internet is full of surprises. You can do some searching, and find the right links, just like this one. There are loads of online logo design software for creating logos with no design/coding knowledge.

To help, we have personally reviewed the best free logo makers and generators that will help you design an engaging logo that sends the right message about your brand.

Without downloading/installing, or learning graphic design, let’s get right into the top free logo-making online tools.

But before you choose a free logo maker tool, make sure you read our warnings below if you are serious about your brand and its impact.

As designers ourselves, we don’t recommend free logo makers but instead, recommend hiring a professional because a well-designed brand is going to yield much better results than stock logos could ever do.

Also, see our blog on the dos and don’ts of logo design.

If you know the basics of graphic designing and want to make the logo from scratch on your own you can have a look at the list of graphic design software you can use.

As professional logo designers ourselves, we use the industry standard Adobe Illustrator to design our logos.

Contact us for a custom logo design.

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Pros:

• Free Brand Clarity Call

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Learn Logo Design Online (Logo Design Course)

LogoCore Masterclass (includes 10% discount + 65% off Adobe Creative Cloud)

Price: $72-$320 | Course Duration: 15-20 hours

The LogoCore Masterclass is the most in-depth & best logo maker course available online, perfect for beginners and intermediate designers looking to learn logo design.

You will learn to master Adobe Illustrator (our #1 logo design software choice), learn grid structures, how to vectorize a logo, how to present design work, create a style guide, build a creative brief, get valuable feedback, animate logos and so much more. They also have a mentorship program.

Get an exclusive 10% discount with coupon code ‘JUST10’. Simply enter the coupon at checkout.

The best part? You get 65% off Adobe Creative Cloud as you qualify as a student.

14+ Best Free Logo Makers Online

1. Looka — A highly rated choice great for beginners / non-designers (Editor’s Choice)

The best free logo maker overall 

Looka is a solid free logo maker choice that comes with a fun and user-friendly design.

This logo design program saves your logo designs as JPEG and PNG files, as well as vector file options like SVG and EPS, making it convenient for scalability.

Looka guides you through the logo design process. You can add certain elements that you want to associate with your brand and include them through icons and symbols. Other than this, you can pick the overall feel you’re going for and also the color scheme you’d prefer.

After designing your logo, you can use it on social media templates, color variations, and even post-purchase updates to the overall look.

Looka also offers a ‘Brand Kit Subscription‘ add-on that includes everything you need to start your business, beyond just the logo.

This means you can use Looka, one of the best logo makers for Social Media Posts, Business Cards, Email Signatures, Letterheads, Invoices, Brand Guidelines, and more. This is a paid add-on that goes for $96/year billed annually or $196/year if you want an AI-generated website too.

You can get 10% off your first year with code ‘JUSTCREATIVE10’ and read our Looka Logo Maker review.

2. Tailor Brands (Editor’s Choice)

The best all-in-one logo maker and business launcher

Tailor Brands makes setting up your small business easy and its AI-powered logo maker is a game-changer! It’s easy to use, incredibly smart, and quite spot-on with its designs!

Granted that there is no replacing custom-designed logos, we think the platform does a decent job of getting your brand off the ground.

We did find the font options to be quite limiting and the algorithm does much of the legwork for you (which means you won’t have all that much control over your logo’s final look). Whether that’s a good or bad thing is entirely up to you!

What’s more, if you decide to put out merchandise, social media art cards, or maybe even business cards, you’ll be pleasantly surprised by your array of choices.

If you’re looking to start a business and want to get started right away without complex branding strategies, Tailor Brands is a great choice.

3. Adobe Express Logo Maker

The best free logo maker overall

Adobe Creative Cloud Express logo maker is a great free tool for creating unique logos for your brand and business. It comes with a wide range of customization options like fonts, colors, and texts to creatively alter designs.

You can find 100+ icons and four styles to get started with. There is also a spinning wheel to choose the style and placement with ease. The great part about the free logo maker is that you don’t have to start from scratch.

You can set your preferences like colors, aesthetics, or industry to get a handful of pre-created templates. Just like other Adobe products, you will love the simplicity of this delightful free logo maker.

You can even great other branded elements such as social graphics, website graphics, and more right within Adobe Spark.

The best part is that you get Adobe CC Express free forever! The premium offering is $9.99/month and includes a free 30-day trial. See the differences between the plans here.

If you decide to purchase a subscription to the larger Adobe CC Suite of products, make sure you see our Adobe discount guide to save up to 65% and also our guide on how to use Adobe Express.

4. Canva Free Logo Maker

The best logo maker to create awesome logos

Canva is an all-around online logo design tool and one with which you’re probably familiar. Apart from creating your social media posts and landing page images, you can create super awesome logos using Canva.

With a drag-and-drop interface, users with absolutely no design experience can create beautiful logos in no time. Equipped with 100+ templates, you can get started with this online logo maker by answering a few questions about your brand.

Based on your company’s name and responses, you will see a variety of logos from which to choose. Just a couple of tweaks and you can change the feel, color, and font. The best part? You can download the high-resolution logo without paying an extra charge.

The best part about this tool is that you can trial Canva Pro free for 30 days. See our feature of the best Canva templates and the best Canva Instagram templates.

5. Logo Diffusion

The best generative AI logo maker

Logo Diffusion differs from most logo makers on this list because it generates new concepts from text prompts, sketches, or reference images rather than assembling layouts from a fixed library of icons and templates. Its proprietary AI model is trained specifically for logo design, with more than 45 visual styles available for exploring different directions.

The platform also includes tools for creating variations, transferring styles, removing backgrounds, generating mockups, and refining designs inside its editor. Paid users can export transparent PNG files and layered SVGs with editable vector paths, allowing designers to continue working in Illustrator, Figma, or Affinity Designer.

Logo Diffusion is best treated as a concept exploration and production tool, not a replacement for brand strategy or professional design judgment. AI generated logos can still raise questions around originality, copyright, and trademark availability, so important marks should be refined by a designer and legally cleared before use.

You can try the generator free, although the free plan has limited credits and export restrictions. Paid plans start at $24 per month and include commercial usage rights, private generations, downloads, and vector export.

Pros:

• Generates concepts instead of relying solely on shared templates
• Accepts text, image, and sketch inputs
• Exports editable SVG and transparent PNG files on paid plans
• Includes vectorizing, editing, mockup, and upscaling tools

Cons:

• The free plan is mainly suitable for testing the generator
• AI output still requires careful selection and refinement
• Copyright and trademark clearance are not guaranteed

6. LogoMakr

The best logo maker to create commercial logos

When you visit LogoMakr’s website, you might find a useful video that details how to utilize the free tool in its entirety. Drag and drop is also used on their user interface.

Compared to the tools above, this best free logo maker app online is a logo builder that is somewhat less customizable but is still quite simple to use. They do charge for the high-quality file, however, the low-resolution option is free to download.

7. Shopify Free Logo Maker (Hatchful)

The best logo maker for eCommerce business

Shopify’s Hatchful is an easy-to-use, best free logo maker app, the perfect choice for eCommerce businesses to create an intuitive logo for their online store. Simply by typing your brand’s name, and choosing the icons, colors, and fonts that you like, you will find a wide range of unique logo combinations.

As it is a DIY logo maker, you can easily customize the theme, feel, and color of the logo to complement your brand message. The best thing about this tool is that once you export the logo, you can receive it in your email inbox in different aspect ratios and sizes. It will be ready to use on your website, social media, business cards, etc.

8. MarkMaker

Despite being a prototype, this program is excellent. You begin by entering the name of your company. Then, MarkMaker produces a vast array of logo choices.

You can select the category your company falls under and “heart” the types of logos you like. Because our free logo design program progressively learns which options you prefer, be sure to “love” as many potential logos as you can.

When you find a design you like, you can edit it by clicking the pencil symbol while your mouse is over the picture. You can download it when you’re finished.

Get an exclusive 10% discount with coupon code ‘JUSTCREATIVE10′. Simply enter the coupon at checkout.

Also, see our blogs on the best logo design principles, and logo design tips.

9. Squarespace Free Logo Generator

The best instant logo generator

Squarespace Logo Generator is a unique tool that helps you visualize your new logo on your website, business card, t-shirt, and more. It is not as robust as other tools on the list, but it will get the job done.

By selecting the type of symbols, icons, and colors you want, Squarespace will generate beautiful results in seconds. Once you decide on your logo, you can see it live and in action. And if it meets with your approval, it is all yours to download and use.

10. NameCheap Logo Design Tool

The best logo design tool for entrepreneurs

NameCheap Logo Design Tool focuses on entrepreneurs and has amazing features when it comes to designing super awesome logos. You can easily find the right colors, fonts, and icons for your logo by seeing them live on real applications.

By literally narrowing down your choice from hundreds to tens, you can see delightful mockups to imagine the logo in real life. Once you complete your logo design, you can download the vector file to use it as you like.

11. Ucraft Logo Maker

The best logo maker with a vector editor

Bored with all the above tools? Nothing appealing about the logo templates and AI-powered designs you’ve seen? Ucraft is here to help create your unique logo from scratch. It is an easy-to-use vector editor that will give you lots of options and flexibility with icons, text, color, and shapes to design your perfect logo.

The best part is that Ucraft comes with over 220,000 icons, so it’s bound to be the perfect choice for you. Once you complete your design, you can export the high-resolution PNG image file for free. This makes Ucraft a perfect free logo maker to create the logo of your choice.

12. Zyro Free Logo Maker

The best logo maker to create simple designs

Zyro is the very definition of simplicity and one of the easiest tools to use on the list. This intelligent logo builder helps you convert your creative ideas into a logo design. All you need to do is select a starter logo and decide on the color and shape.

You will receive a wide variety of logo ideas that you can easily tweak and customize to create your dream logo. And it is free! Within minutes, you can create and download your logo without the help of a professional graphic designer.

13. Fiverr Online Free Logo Maker

The best logo maker with a professional touch

Fiverr’s logo maker gives your brand’s logo a professional touch. With Fiverr, it is super easy to design an enticing logo for your business. Simply enter your brand’s name and select your preferred style. By adjusting the colors, icons, design, and typeface, you can get some great ideas and fantastic options for designing a logo that increases brand awareness.

You can choose the paid option to have your logo reviewed and polished by one of their designers, elevating your creative product.

14. DesignEvo Free Logo Maker

The best logo maker to create stunning designs

DesignEvo is one of the most popular logo makers that offers 10,000+ templates for creating a stunning logo for your brand. By simply hovering the mouse over any template, you can smoothly customize the background, text, color, icon, shape, etc., to match the logo with your brand’s theme.

The best part is that you can preview the logo on your website and marketing materials like business cards, t-shirts, etc. With any time, anywhere cloud access, you can tweak and make changes to the logo on the go from any device.

*Warning* Paid or Free Logo Makers Might Mess Up Your Brand 

Logo makers are very tempting. To design a beautiful, low-cost logo (if not for free), seems like a deal you can’t pass up. But should you really use a free online logo maker? After all, your logo is going to represent your brand and you want it to be memorable for your customers.

So, let’s check out what you will want to consider before making your decision to go with a free online logo maker.

#1 – Lacking Uniqueness

You are not the only one visiting the online logo design tools. The tool is available to everyone across the globe and there are hundreds or thousands of people accessing the same logo templates. So, surely other businesses could create the same or similar logo as yours. That makes your brand’s visual expression open to a loss of originality and punch.

#2 – Less Creative Expression

The online templates might get the job done quickly for you, but they can leave little room for creativity. You won’t have much control over the fonts, shapes, color combinations, and other design elements. When you use free logo design software, your logo can lack a creative touch and flair.

#3 – No Access to Copyright

With most free logo maker sites, you won’t receive a proper trademark or a copyright license for your logo. Without information on the legal use of your logo, you could have copyright issues in the future.

#4 – Hidden Charges

On many of the so-called “free logo maker” sites, you will invest your time in designing an engaging logo for your brand. In the end, when you go to download your logo, there could be a charge for the download of your high-resolution logo file. So, be sure to factor in that you may still pay for what will be a more generic logo.

#5 – Limited Customization & Resources

You will not have complete freedom to customize your graphics and logo. Customizing and using your own images or design on the logo is important for business identity. In using these limited customizations, other businesses might duplicate your logo, without you even in a position to claim infringement.

That all being said, what will be your best option? You can hire a professional logo designer at a reasonable price to create a unique logo. There won’t be any copyright issues and you will have a full claim. See here for our guide on how to choose a logo designer.

Moreover, you can explain your requirements, and your desired color combinations, to an actual professional human designer with a logo design process. This opens more doors for creativity to create that awesome, unique logo that speaks volumes about your brand.

Benefits of Using a Free Online Logo Maker

Although using an online logo maker has a number of drawbacks it does also include a number of benefits, including:

#1 Time-saving

You can create your logo in just a few minutes, without having to spend hours learning to design.

#2 Cost-effective

Online logo makers are often much more affordable than hiring a professional designer, although the latter is recommended for serious business owners.

#3 Customizable

You have complete control over the design of your logo, allowing you to create a unique and eye-catching design that perfectly represents your brand.

#4 Accessible

You can access online logo makers from anywhere with an internet connection, making it easy to create your logo whenever and wherever you need to.

Key Features of Online Logo Maker Apps

Online logo makers are designed to make logo creation quick, easy, and affordable. Here are some of the key features you can expect from a professional logo maker.

#1 User-friendly interface

Most online logo makers have a simple, intuitive interface that makes it easy to create your logo, even if you have no design experience.

#2 Templates

Many online logo makers provide a range of templates to choose from, so you can find one that fits your brand perfectly.

#3 Customization options

From font choices to color palettes, you can customize your logo to reflect your brand personality and values.

#4 Affordable prices

Online logo makers are often much more affordable than hiring a professional designer, making them a great option for small businesses and startups.

Best Free Logo Makers Conclusion

Before you use a free logo maker online, think about hiring a professional.

Although a free online logo maker can mess up your logo, it can be a useful tool if you are on a budget. Just make sure you are fully aware of what makes a successful logo.

For best results, keep five things in mind: Simple, Memorable, Timeless, Versatile & Appropriate.

To summarise these are our top three choices for the best free logo maker online:

1. Looka Logo Maker — Great for beginners / non-designers
2. Adobe Creative Cloud Express Logo Maker — One of the best free logo makers overall
3. Canva Logo Generator — The best logo generator for customizable logos + brand templates

If you’re looking for a custom logo design, contact us or check out our logo portfolio.

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Brand Builders Alliance

Members gain access to expert masterclasses, live coaching, practical resources, structured learning pathways and a global community of brand builders who share advice, feedback and opportunities. Its central belief is simple: no one builds alone.

Each year, BBA awards a full scholarship to a brand builder who demonstrates ambition, commitment and the potential to make meaningful progress with the right support.

This Brand Builders Alliance case study follows last year’s scholarship recipient, Hailey Fackrell, founder of Greater Heights Marketing. When Hailey applied, she was struggling with confidence, inconsistent leads, unclear offers and uncertainty around what to charge.

Over the following year, Hailey simplified her services, repositioned her business and doubled the value of her combined branding and website projects from approximately $6,000 to $12,000. She is now working with fewer clients while moving toward her highest revenue year yet.

In the case study below, Hailey shares where she started, what changed inside BBA and how greater clarity and confidence helped her build a more focused and valuable business.

Hear Hailey’s Brand Builders Alliance Testimonial

In this audio interview, Hailey shares where Greater Heights Marketing was before she joined BBA, the challenges she faced around confidence, pricing and focus, and what changed during her year inside the community.

Audio interview coming shortly (currently being edited).

Results at a glance

• 2X increase in the value of combined branding and website engagements
• Increased standalone website pricing by approximately 1.3X
• Simplified multiple packages into clearer core offers
• Worked with fewer clients while moving toward her highest revenue year
• Built the confidence to charge based on the value of her work

Meet Hailey Fackrell

Hailey Fackrell is the founder of Greater Heights Marketing, a branding, web design and systems studio based in Boise, Idaho.

She started the business after graduating from Boise State University, driven by a clear personal goal: to build meaningful work while having the flexibility to stay home with her son.

Hailey had taught herself many of the creative and technical skills needed to serve her clients. She had built a functioning business, but after several years, she knew something needed to change.

The challenge

When Hailey applied for the Brand Builders Alliance scholarship, she was struggling with confidence, inconsistent leads and uncertainty around her pricing.

Her services had become spread across multiple packages. She was considering courses, digital products, community building and several other possible directions, but lacked clarity about where to focus.

She also wanted access to other experienced creatives who understood both sides of the work: delivering strong branding and building a sustainable business.

“I wanted a space where I could ask other creatives how they do it. I needed help with both the business side and the design side.”

Hailey did not need more disconnected information. She needed direction, feedback and people who could help her apply what she was learning.

Why she joined BBA

Hailey first encountered BBA through the Brand Builders Summit, which she described as the best summit she had attended.

The depth of the sessions stood out, but so did the participation and sense of connection. It gave her a glimpse of what an active community of ambitious brand builders could offer beyond a conventional course.

When the BBA scholarship opportunity opened, she applied.

Her ambition, openness and commitment to building a better business stood out among dozens of applicants, and she was selected as the scholarship recipient.

Finding focus and support

Inside BBA, Hailey used the learning library, session replays, coaching, community feedback and Accountability Pods to focus on the areas that mattered most to her business.

Because she was balancing client work with caring for her son, attending every session live was not realistic. Having organised pathways and accessible replays allowed her to learn on her own schedule.

More importantly, she could find relevant support whenever a new challenge emerged.

One month, she might need help with pricing. Later, it could be positioning, design or refining her services.

“It’s not just for one level. Wherever you are in your journey, there is something relevant to help you.”

The community gave Hailey a place to ask questions without feeling judged. Members shared advice, resources and even offered private conversations to help her work through specific challenges.

She was no longer trying to solve everything alone.

Simplifying the business

One of Hailey’s major goals was to reposition Greater Heights Marketing through a redesigned website and clearer copy.

With feedback and accountability from BBA, she completed the redesign and began simplifying her services.

Instead of filling several packages with different combinations of deliverables, she moved toward one clearer core offer for each service. A coaching conversation helped her recognise that her custom services deserved greater focus.

That clarity made it easier to communicate her value, present her services and establish a stronger minimum engagement.

Doubling her project value

As her offers became clearer, Hailey gained the confidence to increase her pricing.

The value of her combined branding and website engagement grew by approximately 2X. Her standalone website pricing also increased by approximately 1.3X.

Clients have since booked her at the new level, giving her evidence that the market was willing to pay for the value she provides.

The result is a more focused and efficient business. Hailey has served fewer clients this year while moving toward her highest revenue year yet.

“I’m serving fewer clients than I ever have, and it will probably be my highest revenue year. That is significant to me.”

This was not simply a pricing adjustment. It was a shift in how Hailey understood and communicated the value of her work.

More confidence and more freedom

The commercial progress matters, but Hailey’s reason for building the business has always been personal.

Greater Heights Marketing gives her the flexibility to remain at home with her son while contributing meaningful income to her family. During a year filled with personal challenges, the business provided valuable stability and support.

The scholarship helped Hailey improve the business without sacrificing the reason she started it.

“Before BBA, I wasn’t charging what I was worth and I wasn’t very confident. Now, I’m much more confident and able to charge for the value I bring. BBA accelerated that journey.”

Hailey’s Brand Builders Alliance review

When asked to share her honest Brand Builders Alliance review, Hailey pointed to the combination of practical education, community support and access to people who were willing to help her work through real business challenges.

She could ask honest questions, learn from more experienced brand builders and receive practical support from people who wanted to see her succeed.

Her advice to another designer or strategist considering BBA is simple:

“Join it. The community alone has been incredibly valuable. It is a supportive space where you can ask questions, connect with people and know that someone will show up to help.”

Hailey’s journey is still unfolding, but the direction is clear: fewer distractions, stronger offers, greater confidence and a business capable of supporting the life she wants to build.

Her experience reflects the central belief behind BBA: No One Builds Alone.

Listen to the full Brand Builders Alliance testimonial

Listen to Jacob Cass and Hailey Fackrell discuss her experience inside BBA, the changes she made and the results she achieved.

Full audio interview coming soon. It’ currently being edited.

The trick is knowing where to look and what is genuinely worth buying. Our Black Friday deals for designers and creatives guide brings together the best offers we find across software, courses, fonts, stock media, design assets, hardware, and creative business tools.

When is Black Friday 2026?

Black Friday falls on Friday, November 27, 2026, followed by Cyber Monday on Monday, November 30, 2026.

You do not need to wait until Black Friday itself. Many creative brands launch early access promotions during the first half of November, while others extend their offers throughout Cyber Week.

The strongest discounts often appear during three periods:

• Early Black Friday sales throughout November
• Black Friday weekend from November 27 to 29
• Cyber Monday and extended Cyber Week promotions from November 30 onward

Some deals last several weeks. Others disappear within 24 to 48 hours. If there is a particular tool on your wish list, check its usual price before the sales begin.

Where can creatives find the best Black Friday deals?

Start with our regularly updated Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals for creatives.

Instead of searching dozens of websites, you can use the guide to compare deals across the categories creatives are most likely to need:

• Graphic design software
• Adobe Creative Cloud plans
• Fonts and typefaces
• Mockups and presentation templates
• Stock photography, video, and audio
• Online design courses
• Computers, monitors, and accessories
• Website builders and hosting
• Marketing and business software
• Productivity tools
• Creative services and subscriptions

We update the roundup as offers are announced. Because discounts and availability can differ by country, account type, and subscription status, always check the final price and renewal terms before purchasing.

You can also browse our broader collection of design tools and buying guides when comparing products outside the Black Friday period.

1. Creative software

Creative software is one of the first places designers should look during Black Friday.

Subscriptions can become a significant annual expense, so even a modest discount may save more than a dramatic percentage reduction on a smaller one off purchase.

Software worth watching includes:

• Adobe Creative Cloud
• Affinity
• CorelDRAW
• Procreate
• Capture One
• Topaz Photo
• Video editing and motion graphics tools
• Prototyping and interface design platforms
• Productivity and project management apps

Adobe usually attracts the most attention because Creative Cloud includes Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Premiere Pro, After Effects, Lightroom, and other professional applications.

If you are unsure which programs you need, our complete Adobe Creative Cloud guide explains the major apps, plans, features, and use cases. You can also review our Adobe software list for a simpler overview of what each application does.

Adobe has not yet confirmed its 2026 Black Friday promotion. Based on previous years, discounts may become available before Black Friday and continue into Cyber Week. Eligibility can depend on your country, plan, and whether you are a new or existing subscriber.

See our dedicated Adobe Black Friday guide for the latest confirmed information, or compare regular plan costs in our Adobe Creative Cloud pricing guide.

What to check before buying software

Look beyond the percentage printed on the sales page. Confirm:

• Whether the discount applies for one month, several months, or the full year
• Whether an annual commitment is required
• The renewal price after the introductory period
• Whether existing customers are eligible
• Whether the offer is limited to individuals, teams, students, or teachers
• Whether cancellation fees apply
• Which applications, credits, storage, or services are included

A 50% discount for three months is not equivalent to 50% off an entire year.

If the discounted software still exceeds your budget, compare it with our selection of the best free graphic design software before committing to a subscription.

2. Fonts and type resources

Black Friday is a strong time to build your type library, especially if you regularly work on branding, editorial, packaging, advertising, or web design.

Look for offers from:

• Independent type foundries
• MyFonts
• Fontspring
• YouWorkForThem
• Creative Market
• Font Bundles
• Type subscription services
• Before buying a font, check the licence rather than relying on the product preview.

Independent foundries may offer smaller discounts than large marketplaces, but their bundles and complete family upgrades can provide better long term value.

If a premium font is not essential, explore our collection of the best free font websites before buying. Always confirm the individual licence, even when the font itself is free.

3. Design assets, templates, and mockups

Asset marketplaces frequently offer Black Friday discounts on:

• Logo presentation templates
• Brand guideline templates
• Packaging mockups
• Device mockups
• Social media templates
• Brushes and textures
• Illustration packs
• Icon libraries
• Presentation templates
• Lightroom presets
• Procreate brushes
• Photoshop actions and effects

Popular places to check include Envato Elements, Creative Market, RetroSupply, Yellow Images, Placeit, and independent creative shops.

Our best design assets guide brings together recommended fonts, brushes, textures, patterns, mockups, effects, and other useful resources.

If you are working on brand presentations, you can also browse these free branding templates and mockups before paying for a larger collection.

Subscriptions are useful if you download assets throughout the year. Individual bundles may be better if you only need resources for a particular style or project.

Ask yourself whether the purchase solves a real production need. A folder containing 10,000 unused templates is not a bargain.

Check the asset licence carefully

Before downloading or purchasing a bundle, determine whether the licence permits:

• Commercial client work
• Use in products for sale
• Editable templates
• Print on demand products
• Logo or trademark use
• Multiple users
• Continued use after cancelling a subscription

The number of included assets matters less than whether you can legally use them in your intended work.

4. Stock photography, video, music, and audio

Stock media can consume a large part of a creative project’s budget. Black Friday promotions may reduce the cost of subscriptions, credit packs, or annual plans.

Watch for deals from:

• Adobe Stock
• Shutterstock
• Depositphotos
• iStock
• Freepik
• Envato
• Motion Array
• Storyblocks
• Artlist
• Epidemic Sound

Compare more than the download allowance. Review:

• Commercial usage rights
• Client usage
• Distribution limits
• Editorial restrictions
• Music publishing requirements
• YouTube channel registration
• AI training and generation terms
• Whether downloaded assets remain licensed after cancellation

For client work, save a copy of the licence and purchase receipt with the project files. Marketplace terms can change, and a clear paper trail may save you trouble later.

5. Online courses and creative education

Courses are among the most heavily promoted products during Black Friday. This makes November a useful time to learn a new discipline, provided you choose a course you will actually complete.

Look for offers covering:

• Brand strategy
• Logo design
• Typography
• Illustration
• Motion design
• Photography
• Web design
• UX and UI design
• Creative business
• Pricing and sales
• Client management
• Marketing
• Content creation
• Artificial intelligence tools

Course platforms and educators to watch include:

• Brand Master Academy
• The Futur
• Skillshare
• Udemy
• Coursera
• Domestika
• MasterClass
• Interaction Design Foundation
• Independent designers and educators

Our creative courses and books directory covers graphic design, branding, UX, animation, marketing, photography, illustration, and other creative disciplines.

More specific guides include:

• Best branding courses
• Best brand strategy courses
• Best logo design courses
• Best free graphic design courses
• Best online learning platforms

Do not judge a course by its discount alone. A permanently discounted course advertised as “90% off” may offer less value than a specialist programme with a smaller reduction.

Review the curriculum, instructor experience, project examples, update history, student outcomes, access period, and refund policy.

The best course is the one that addresses the next constraint in your career or business.

6. Computers and creative hardware

Black Friday can be a good time to buy expensive equipment, but hardware requires more research than a font bundle or course.

Creative hardware deals may include:

• Laptops
• Desktop computers
• Monitors
• Drawing tablets
• Cameras and lenses
• External storage
• Keyboards and mice
• Microphones
• Lighting
• Printers
• Colour calibration tools
• Office furniture

Amazon, Apple, B&H Photo, Best Buy, Adorama, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Microsoft, and specialist photography retailers are useful places to monitor.

Before buying a laptop or workstation, match the hardware to your actual workflow. A designer working mainly in Illustrator and InDesign has different requirements from someone editing 8K video or building complex 3D scenes.

Check:

• Processor and graphics performance
• Memory capacity
• Storage size and speed
• Display resolution and colour coverage
• Port selection
• Battery life
• Upgrade options
• Warranty conditions
• Return policy
• Independent reviews

A slightly older professional model can offer better value than a heavily promoted entry level device.

Compare our best laptops for graphic design or see the best budget laptops for designers if price is your main concern.

7. Website builders, hosting, and portfolio tools

Black Friday hosting discounts are often substantial, but the lowest advertised monthly price can be misleading.

Deals may be available from:

• WordPress hosts
• Webflow
• Elementor
• Squarespace
• Wix
• Shopify
• Framer
• Domain registrars
• Email hosting services
• Portfolio platforms

Our guide to the best website builders for artists and designers compares tools for portfolios, ecommerce sites, and creative businesses. Web professionals can also compare the best web design software.

Check the full contract value, not just the monthly equivalent.

A host advertising a very low monthly price may require payment for three or four years upfront. The renewal price can also be several times higher than the introductory rate.

Consider:

• Initial contract length
• Total upfront payment
• Renewal price
• Number of websites
• Storage and bandwidth
• Backups
• Staging environments
• Email hosting
• Migration support
• Security features
• Cancellation and refund terms

If your portfolio or business website already performs well, a discount alone is rarely a good reason to migrate.

8. Business and marketing tools for freelancers

The best Black Friday purchase may not be a design tool.

For many freelancers and studio owners, the right business system can save more time and money than another collection of assets.

Look for deals on:

• Accounting software
• Proposal and contract tools
• Customer relationship management software
• Scheduling apps
• Email marketing platforms
• Form builders
• Cloud storage
• Password managers
• Time tracking
• Project management
• Social media scheduling
• Website analytics
• Search engine optimisation tools

Our guide to the best invoicing software for freelancers compares tools for invoicing, contracts, payments, project management, and client relationships.

Before committing, compare the discounted annual plan with your expected usage. Many platforms restrict their most valuable features to higher tiers.

Check client limits, automation allowances, storage, integrations, transaction fees, and the number of team members included.

9. Independent creators and small design shops

Some of the best Black Friday deals never appear on large marketplaces.

Independent designers, educators, type foundries, photographers, illustrators, and template creators often release limited bundles through their websites or email newsletters.

These offers may include:

• Complete font families
• Brush libraries
• Preset collections
• Course bundles
• Template packs
• Digital books
• Community memberships
• Coaching sessions
• Lifetime access deals

Follow creators whose work you already respect before the sale begins. Their email subscribers may receive early access, additional bonuses, or a better discount than the public offer.

Buying directly can also provide clearer documentation, product updates, and support from the person who made the resource.

10. Newsletters and curated deal guides

A curated guide can save hours of searching, but not every deal roundup is genuinely curated.

The best guides should:

• Separate confirmed offers from predictions
• Display the sale dates
• Disclose affiliate relationships
• Link to the relevant product or offer
• Explain who the product is for
• Identify subscription and renewal conditions
• Remove expired promotions
• Avoid repeating unverified discount claims

Bookmark our Black Friday deals for creatives page and check back as new 2026 offers are confirmed.

How to tell whether a Black Friday deal is genuine

A large discount does not automatically mean a low price.

Before purchasing, use this checklist.

Check the normal selling price

Some products spend most of the year “on sale.” Search the company’s pricing page, previous promotions, and recent reviews to establish the usual price.

Calculate the total commitment

Multiply the monthly price by the required contract length. Include taxes, fees, and paid add-ons.

Check the renewal rate

Many subscription deals apply only to the first billing period. Add a reminder before renewal if you do not want to continue at the standard price.

The US Federal Trade Commission provides additional guidance on subscriptions and negative option plans.

Confirm eligibility

Offers may be restricted to new customers, particular countries, students, educators, or specific billing options.

Read the licence

For fonts, templates, stock media, and other creative assets, confirm that the licence covers client and commercial work.

Check the refund policy

Digital products may have limited refund rights once files have been downloaded or course content has been accessed.

Ignore the countdown clock

Some countdowns reset when the page reloads. Make the decision based on value, not artificial urgency.

What should creatives buy on Black Friday?

A worthwhile purchase should do at least one of the following:

• Replace a tool you already pay for at a higher price
• Remove a repeated bottleneck from your workflow
• Improve the quality of billable work
• Save meaningful production time
• Support a specific service you plan to offer
• Provide training you have scheduled time to complete
• Replace equipment that is limiting your work

If you cannot explain how you will use the purchase within the next three months, leave it in the cart.

What should creatives avoid?

Be cautious with:

• Lifetime deals from unproven software companies
• Huge asset bundles with inconsistent quality
• Courses bought without a learning plan
• Duplicate tools that solve the same problem
• Subscriptions with unclear renewal pricing
• Fonts without appropriate commercial licences
• Hardware purchased only because the discount looks impressive
• Offers that hide the final price until checkout

The goal is not to buy more. It is to spend less on tools that make your work better.

A simple Black Friday plan for creatives

Before November

List the tools, assets, courses, and equipment you genuinely need. Record their current prices and remove anything that does not support an active goal.

Early November

Subscribe to relevant newsletters and bookmark the product pages. Check our creative Black Friday roundup for early offers.

Black Friday week

Compare the final prices, licences, billing commitments, and refund policies. Prioritise limited offers only when they match your original list.

After purchasing

Save receipts and licences. Add renewal dates to your calendar and schedule time to install, organise, or complete what you bought.

Black Friday deals for creatives FAQ

When is Black Friday 2026?

Black Friday is on Friday, November 27, 2026.

When is Cyber Monday 2026?

Cyber Monday is on Monday, November 30, 2026.

Do creative Black Friday sales start early?

Yes. Many software companies, marketplaces, educators, and hardware retailers begin their promotions before Black Friday. Some start in early or mid November.

Is Black Friday or Cyber Monday better for creatives?

There is no consistent winner. Software, courses, and digital assets may retain the same price throughout the weekend, while individual retailers may introduce different Cyber Monday offers.

If a confirmed deal matches your budget and requirements, waiting may not produce a better price.

Where can I find confirmed Black Friday deals for designers?

Visit our updated Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals for designers roundup. It covers software, courses, fonts, stock resources, hardware, web tools, and other products for creative professionals.

Are Black Friday creative software deals available worldwide?

Some are, but prices and eligibility can vary by country. Taxes, currency conversion, account status, and regional terms may affect the final offer.

Are annual subscriptions worth buying during Black Friday?

They can be if you already use the product and the discount applies to the full subscription period. Check the contract length, cancellation terms, and renewal price first.

Does Adobe offer a Black Friday discount?

Adobe has offered Black Friday promotions in previous years, but the discount, eligibility, and dates can change. Check our Adobe Black Friday guide for confirmed 2026 details as they become available.

Find the best 2026 Black Friday deals for creatives

Black Friday is useful when it helps you buy the right tool at a genuinely lower price. It becomes expensive when urgency replaces judgment.

Create your wish list early, compare the full cost, review the licence, and concentrate on purchases that will improve your work or business.

We will track the strongest offers throughout November in our complete guide to the best Black Friday deals for designers and creatives.

Bookmark the guide and return as the official 2026 deals are announced.

In this guide, we cover everything you need to know about the expected Adobe Black Friday and Cyber Monday 2026 sale, including likely dates, possible Creative Cloud discounts, current Adobe pricing, and what existing subscribers can do.

Looking for even more savings? Black Friday is a special time to grab the best deals on laptops, drawing pads, and yes, even design software such as Adobe CC. Let’s get into how to get the best Adobe deals available.

Adobe Black Friday 2026: Quick Overview

• Black Friday 2026: Friday, November 27, 2026
• Cyber Monday 2026: Monday, November 30, 2026
• Official Adobe sale dates: Not yet announced
• Expected sale period: Mid-November through Black Friday, with a possible extension into Cyber Week
• Expected discount: Up to 50% on selected individual and team plans, based on previous promotions
• Student and teacher pricing: Adobe currently advertises 71% off Creative Cloud Pro for eligible US education customers during the first year
• Availability: Prices, discounts, and eligibility vary by country and account type

Is the Adobe Black Friday 2026 Sale Live?

No. Adobe has not yet announced a dedicated 2026 Black Friday or Cyber Monday promotion.

Adobe is currently advertising other Creative Cloud offers in some regions, including a US promotion giving eligible new subscribers 50% off Creative Cloud Pro for the first three months. This is a standard promotional offer, not a confirmed Black Friday deal.

Check the offer period carefully. A discount for three months is not the same as receiving 50% off an entire year.

Expected Adobe Black Friday 2026 Deals

Adobe has not confirmed its Black Friday discounts for 2026. Based on previous promotions, the sale may include:

• Up to 50% discount on Creative Cloud all apps membership 
• Up to 50% Off Teams on Creative Cloud all apps membership
• 70% off for Students & Teachers 
• An optional Adobe Stock trial with selected Creative Cloud plans

These offers are predictions, not confirmed 2026 sale terms. The actual discount may differ by country, plan, billing option, and customer eligibility.

Expected Adobe Black Friday and Cyber Monday 2026 Dates

Adobe’s official 2026 sale dates are not yet known.

Black Friday falls on Friday, November 27, 2026, while Cyber Monday falls on Monday, November 30, 2026.

Based on Adobe’s 2025 promotional schedule, our best estimate is that an Adobe Black Friday promotion could begin around November 12, 2026, and run through November 27, 2026. Adobe may then continue or extend the offer through Cyber Monday or into the first week of December.

This forecast should not be treated as a confirmed sale schedule. Bookmark this page and return when Adobe publishes the official terms.

How to Get the Adobe Black Friday & Cyber Monday Deal – Step by Step Instructions

Once the 2026 promotion is live, follow these steps to claim the Adobe Black Friday discount and save up to 50-70% on Adobe Creative Cloud:

Step 1: Visit the Adobe Offers Page

• On the sale dates, go to the Adobe Black Friday Deals Page.

Step 2: Browse & Select Your Plan

• Review the available deals for Creative Cloud All Apps plans including, Annual, Monthly and Paid in Full Up Front subscriptions.

Step 3: Sign In or Click ‘Save Now’ to Create an Account

• Exisiting Subscribers: Log in to your Adobe account
• New Subscribers: Create a new account by clicking “Save Now” and selecting your desired plan (see next step)

Step 5: Choose Plan & Check Discount

• The discount (e.g. 50%-70% off) should automatically be applied at checkout. The best deal is the “Annual, prepaid” offer.
• If the discount is not visible which is possible if you’re a current subscriber, use Adobe’s Virtual Assistant:
  • Click on the Help/Chat speech bubble in the bottom-right corner. Or head to the Adobe Help Center if you don’t see it.
    
  • Type “Talk to Agent” and ask the agent about the Black Friday deals for your region or subscription. Results vary depending on the agent you speak to, so our suggestion is to keep trying.
  • If all else fails, you can consider setting up a new account with a new email address to get the Adobe Black Friday offer.

Step 6: Complete Your Purchase

• Enter your email and payment details to confirm the subscription.
• You will receive a confirmation email with the subscription details.
• Congratulations, you just saved a few hundred dollars!

If you decide you want to cancel your plan, see our instructions on how to cancel Adobe subscription.

Can Existing Adobe Subscribers Get the Black Friday Discount?

Possibly, but eligibility varies.

Some Adobe promotions are restricted to first-time or new subscribers. Existing customers should sign in to their Adobe account and check the Manage Plan area for personalised offers.

If no offer appears, contact Adobe Customer Care and ask whether your current plan is eligible for:

• A promotional renewal price
• A move from Creative Cloud Pro to Creative Cloud Standard
• A different annual billing option
• A retention or loyalty offer
• A regional Black Friday promotion

Adobe does not guarantee that existing subscribers will receive the advertised new-customer price. Get the final price and commitment terms in writing before changing or cancelling a plan.

How to Download Adobe Creative Cloud Software for Free 

One way to find the perfect software for you before the Black Friday sale happens would be by checking which Adobe software is the best fit for you. And instead of making any commitments right off the bat, why not just try a trial for free.

Can you install Adobe software for free? You can! Once you create an Adobe account, enter your payment details (credit card) and register for a free trial.

However, it’s important that you cancel your free Adobe trial software seven days before the trial period ends in order to avoid being charged.

Current Adobe Creative Cloud Prices in 2026

Adobe’s published US prices for annual contracts billed monthly are currently:

• Creative Cloud Standard: US$54.99 per month
• Creative Cloud Pro: US$69.99 per month
• Creative Cloud Pro for eligible students and teachers: US$19.99 per month for the first year, then US$39.99 per month while eligibility continues

Adobe also lists these US payment options for individual plans:

Prices exclude applicable taxes and vary by country. Adobe can change its prices, so confirm the current total before purchasing.

For a complete comparison, see our Adobe Creative Cloud pricing guide.

What is the Adobe ‘All Apps’ Plan?

Creative Cloud Pro is the new name for Adobe’s former Creative Cloud All Apps plan.

It includes more than 20 creative applications, including:

• Photoshop
• Illustrator
• InDesign
• Premiere
• After Effects
• Lightroom
• Acrobat Pro
• Adobe Express

The plan also includes Adobe Fonts, cloud storage, full access to supported web and mobile apps, unlimited standard generative AI features, and monthly credits for premium video and audio generation.

Creative Cloud Pro is best suited to professionals who regularly work across several creative disciplines or need Adobe’s broader AI, web, and mobile features.

If you mainly use desktop applications and require fewer AI features, Creative Cloud Standard may provide better value.

The Adobe Student and Teacher Discount

Another great deal besides the Adobe Black Friday Sale is the Student and Teacher discount. For those of you who are teachers or students, you’re in luck! You’ll be surprised to find out that you can get over 60-65% off on the Adobe ‘All Apps’ plan!

And to break it down for you, you’ll be paying $19.99 per month for a plan that normally costs users around $69.99. So if you’re a student or teacher and you want to get ahead in Adobe, we’d strongly recommend you opt for the discount as it’s quite a steal!

Also, you can easily become a student (temporarily) to take advantage of this plan. And if you want to know more information about this, I’d suggest you take a look at our Adobe Student and Teacher discount article.

Adobe Black Friday 2026 FAQ

When is Black Friday 2026?

Black Friday falls on Friday, November 27, 2026.

When is Cyber Monday 2026?

Cyber Monday falls on Monday, November 30, 2026.

When will the Adobe Black Friday 2026 sale begin?

Adobe has not announced the official sale dates. Based on its previous schedule, the promotion may begin in mid-November and continue through Black Friday or Cyber Week.

Is the Adobe Black Friday 2026 sale live?

No. As of September 2026, Adobe has not announced a dedicated 2026 Black Friday sale.

Will Adobe offer 50% off Creative Cloud Pro?

Adobe has offered discounts around this level before, but the 2026 promotion is not confirmed. Check the official offer terms when the sale is announced.

Can current subscribers use the Adobe Black Friday deal?

It depends on the offer. Some promotions are limited to new subscribers. Existing customers should check their Adobe account or contact Adobe Customer Care for available options.

Is the Adobe student discount better than the Black Friday deal?

It may be. Eligible US students and teachers currently pay US$19.99 per month for the first year, which Adobe describes as a 71% saving against the regular Creative Cloud Pro price. Compare the complete first-year and renewal costs before choosing.

Does the discount apply worldwide?

Not necessarily. Adobe prices and promotions vary by country, tax treatment, currency, and customer eligibility.

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Key Takeaways: Adobe Black Friday and Cyber Monday 2026

Adobe has not yet announced its official 2026 Black Friday promotion, so any precise dates or discounts should currently be treated as predictions.

Black Friday is on November 27, 2026, and Cyber Monday is on November 30, 2026. Based on previous years, Adobe may launch its sale before Black Friday and extend it into Cyber Week.

Before purchasing, compare Creative Cloud Standard with Creative Cloud Pro, calculate the complete first-year cost, check the renewal price, and confirm whether the offer applies to your country and account type.

We will update this guide once Adobe publishes the official 2026 sale dates, prices, and eligibility terms.

Enjoy the savings!

We’ll update this page throughout November as new offers are announced and remove deals as they expire.

Have a Black Friday deal of your own? Email us and we’ll consider adding it to the roundup.

Keep in mind that many offers will only be available during Black Friday + Cyber Monday period, from November 27 to November 30, 2026.

Some of the deals below are from 2025 and will be updated to 2026 once we have the final details.

Best Black Friday Deals for Designers 2026 (& Cyber Monday)

For full details, valid dates & coupon codes for these Black Friday deals you must scroll on further.

Courses

• TheFutur — 25% off
• Skillshare — 50% Off
• Udemy — 85% Off
• Domestika — $9.90 Courses + 10% Off
• Masterclass — 2 for 1 Memberships

Marketplaces

• Envato — 30% Off
• CreativeMarket — 30% Off

Stock

• Abobe Stock — Get 10 Free Photos
• Shutterstock — 25% off
• RetroSupply Brushes — $270 off

Fonts

• MyFonts — 20-80% off
• FontBundles.net — 50% off

Icons

• IconFinder — 50% Off
• 45,000 Icons: RoundIcons — 50% Off

Web

• WebFlow – 50% Off Templates
• BlueHost — 75% Off

Services

• Blinkist — 60% Off
• NordVPN — 69% off
• Freshbooks — 50% off

2026 Black Friday & Cyber Monday FAQ

What is Black Friday?

Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving, when many retailers offer special deals both online and in stores. It is widely considered one of the best times of the year to buy almost anything.

When is Black Friday 2026?

Black Friday falls on Friday, November 27, 2026. Sales generally run throughout the weekend until Cyber Monday on November 30, although many retailers launch their offers days or weeks earlier.

What is Cyber Monday?

Cyber Monday is an online shopping event when retailers offer significant discounts on products and services.

When is Cyber Monday 2026?

Cyber Monday falls on Monday, November 30, 2026.

100+ Best Black Friday Deals for Graphic Designers & Cyber Monday Sales

Here are all the best deals for graphic designers this Black Friday! Enjoy.

Adobe Creative Cloud Black Friday Sale Save 50% (Dates TBC, if confirmed)

The 2026 Adobe Black Friday Sale and Cyber Monday sale are expected to offer savings of up to 50–70% on selected Creative Cloud Pro plans, including annual plans billed monthly and annual plans paid upfront.

Adobe has not yet confirmed its 2026 Black Friday discounts or promotional dates. Based on its 2025 schedule, our best estimate is that the Black Friday sale will run from approximately November 12–27, 2026, followed by an extended Cyber Monday promotion from approximately November 28–December 6, 2026.

Expected offers may include:

• Up to 50% off Creative Cloud Pro for individuals
• Up to 50% off Creative Cloud Pro for teams
• Up to 70% off Creative Cloud Pro for students and teachers
• Get 10 free Adobe Stock photos

The dates and discounts above are estimates based on Adobe’s previous promotions. We will update this page when Adobe confirms its official 2026 Black Friday and Cyber Monday offers.

Pink Friday — Up to 60% Off Our JUST Creative Shop

Get up to 60% off items from the JUST Creative shop including coaching, VIP days, templates, fonts and more.

• ​1:1 Coaching Bundle with Jacob Cass (3x Sessions)​ – $1500  $750. (Save $750)
• ​Brand Strategy Discovery Workshop Template + Training​ $149 $74.50 (Save 50%)
• ​JUST Sans Font​ – $49 $24.50 (Save 50%)​
• ‘Become a Brand Master’ Branding Course — $199 $98.50 (Save 50%)
• ​JUST Creative Shop​​ – 50% Off Everything Else with code BF2026

Envato Elements – Get Unlimited Downloads of 50+ Million Design Assets (30% off)

Get unlimited downloads of 53+ million creative assets: graphics, web and video templates, audio, photos & more! All for one low cost, cancel anytime.

Plus, with this sale you get an extra 30% off.

Likely on sale: 25-28th and possibly to December 1 for Cyber Monday.

You can download our typeface, JUST Sans, as a subscriber to Envato Elements.

Amazon Black Friday & Cyber Monday Deals Week

Amazon have an awesome Black Friday & Cyber Monday deals week page that lists everything from electronics, toys, kitchen tools, pet supplies, and more.

Top Gear for Designers:

• Best laptops for designers
• Best printers for designers
• Best monitors for designers
• Best tablets for designers
• Best mouse for designers
• Best earphones for music-lovers
• Best cameras for designers
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• Best office chairs for designers
• Best external hard drives for designers
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• Best pens for creatives
• Best phones for designers
• Best smartphone tripods
• Best noise-canceling headphones
• Best smart-watches
• Best wireless chargers
• Best USB flash storage drives
• Best computers for designers

Logo Package Express – Up to 80% Off Pick Your Price (Nov 28-Dec 1)

Save out your client’s logos with just one click with Logo Package Express. Get up to 80%.

Click ‘Buy Now’ now then choose your operating system ‘Mac’ or ‘PC’ and click ‘Buy This’.

Logo Package Express

• Export Logos 10x faster
• Save $40 on the regular price of $149 and get Logo Package Express for just $119

Logo Package Portal

• Store and share logos with your clients
• Save $40 on our bundles which include Express and Portal

Logo Package Swatch

• Color info at your fingertips
• Save 20% on the regular price of $25 and get Logo Package Swatch for just $20

Valid Nov 29-Dec 2.

Mr Mockup’s HUGE Pro Mockup Bundle – 80% OFF

It’s finally here! The Mockups Sale from MrMockups!

You can get all of their products in one massive Mockup Bundle.

The total of this is $1447, but you can get it for just a fraction of that.

Get it now before its gone!

1. Poster Mockups – Studio Scene
2. Floral Mockups + Stationery Pack
3. Stationery Mockups – Corporate Pack
4. Logo Pin Enamel Mockup
5. Business Card Mockups
6. Poster Frame Mockups – Generator
7. Book Cover Mockups
8. Folded Paper Mockups
9. Patch Mockups + Embroidery Generator
10. iPhone 11 Mockups Pack
11. Glued Poster Mockups
12. Magazine Mockups
13. Moodboard Mockups Scene Creator
14. MacBook Mockups – Workspace Mockups
15. Canvas Mockups – Studio Scenes
16. Sign Mockups and Storefront Mockups
17. Vehicle Mockups – Car Mockups
18. Logo Mockup Bundle – Paper Print
19. Business Card Mockups Vol.1
20. Box Mockup Bundle – Mailing Box
21. Magazine Mockups Vol.1
22. Sticker Mockups – Shape Generator
23. Billboard Mockups + Banners & Signs
24. Can Mockups – Nature Scenes
25. Burger Mockups – Scene Creator
26. Stationery Mockups – Studio Scenes
27. Bottle Mockups – Beer, Soda, Yerba
28. Coffee Mockups – Scene Creator
29. iPhone 13 Pro Mockups + Case Mockups
30. Hardcover Book Mockups
31. Billboard Mockup – Scenes Creator
32. Macbook Pro 16 Mockups + Clay Style
33. Apparel Mockups – Scene Creator
34. Outline Device Mockups – Vector Pack
35. Badge Mockups – Packaging Creator
36. Sunlight Branding Mockups
37. City Billboard Mockups
38. Front View Branding Mockups
39. Outdoor Branding Mockups
40. Studio Branding Mockups
41. Branding Mockups Kit
42. Wine Mockups – Scene Creator
43. Device Mockups – iPhone and MacBook
44. Outdoor Apparel Mockups

You can also shop their store and get 10% off with code ‘MRJUST10’.

RetroSupply  – Save up to 50%+  Get BonusRewards

Discount: 50% off just about all digital products in the shop.

Save 50% off on just about all RetrosSupply digital products including brushes, textures, fonts, and even bundles.

Plus, get FREE digital downloads and merch with each purchase. The more you spend the more free gifts you get.

They will have asale during Black Friday and Cyber Monday (and the days after) but it will not exceed what we offer now and the rewards will not be as big as the pre-BlackFriday deal.

The Futur – Courses & Business Resources 

The Futur have 25% off their whole catalog. Use coupon code ‘THANKYOU‘ at checkout.

Download their LookBook as there are over 100+ pages of digital products, sample curriculums, exclusive insights, testimonials and more.

Attend their live events for 70% Flash Sales!

See our review of the best Futur courses and their official Black Friday sale here.

SkillShare – 4 Weeks FREE of Unlimited Classes

Get 4 FREE weeks of Unlimited Classes from Skillshare. Learn a new skill today, enroll in a class from Skillshare.

Brand Master Secrets – Brand Strategy Course (Save $200-$500)

If you want to level up your branding game, become in-demand brand strategist, and earn specialist fees, then now’s the time to back yourself. I’ve reviewed this course in detail here, and it’s my #1 recommended course on the topic of brand strategy.

You can also grab their Black Friday Super Bundle which combines Brand Master Secrets & Brand Master Workshops, featured below.

View all Brand Master Black Friday Deals.

Brand Master Workshops Course (Save $200)

The only program you need to run effective brand strategy workshops with your clients to develop strategies and brands they understand, feel connected to and believe in.

Exclusive 20% coupon discount available only to JUST Creative Insider subscribers.

An email will be sent out around Nov 23-25. Limited availability!

You can also grab their Black Friday Super Bundle which combines Brand Master Secrets & Brand Master Workshops.

View all Brand Master Black Friday Deals.

Janda’s Ultimate Freelancing Course – $800 $249

Save $551 on Michael Janda’s Ultimate Freelance Course Bundle. And $150 off the Web Design Business Bootcamp.

The Lighthouse CBO Brand Strategy Masterclass (40%)

The Lighthouse CBO Masterclass is a self-paced program for small business owners, solopreneurs and brand strategists ready to master the art of building standout brands. Guided by Peter Wilken—an industry veteran with 35+ years of experience working with global brands like Coca-Cola, Shell, PepsiCo, McDonalds, Unilever and BMW—the course is built around the proven Brand Centered Management process.

It’s focused on practical, real-world application, not academic theory. With 50+ videos, 100+ templates, live cohort sessions, a private community, and optional 1:1 mentoring with Peter, it will give you the tools to craft unique Brand DNA, solve real business challenges, and deliver transformative results – with the human engagement to make the journey productive, enriching and enjoyable.

Get 40% of the DIY and 20% off the Done-with Community package.

Domestika – 10% Off

Discover the community’s top-rated courses and choose 5 of your favorites to hone your skills alongside inspiring professionals and like-minded creatives.

This deal can get you 5 courses for around $49!

Jeremy Mura’s Premium Templates for Designers – 40% Off

Use code BF40 at checkout. Ends Nov 28.

1. Notion Freelance Hub: A comprehensive tool for freelancers to manage projects, clients, and workflows.
2. Logo Presentation Deck: A template for presenting logos professionally to clients.
3. Stylescape & Moodboard Template: A resource for creating effective stylescapes and moodboards.
4. Brand Discovery Workshop Deck: A deck designed to facilitate brand discovery workshops.
5. Instagram Carousel Templates: Templates for creating engaging Instagram carousel posts.
6. Turbo Badge Logo Builder: A tool for designing and constructing badge logos.
7. Type Blaster Graphic Styles: A collection of graphic styles focused on typography.
8. Chalk & Charcoal Brushes: A set of brushes for digital artwork mimicking chalk and charcoal.
9. 200 Grunge Textures: A vast collection of grunge textures for various design uses.
10. Adventure Logo Backpack: A resource pack for creating adventure-themed logos.
11. Client Welcome and Offboard Guide: Guides for onboarding and offboarding clients effectively.
12. Freelance Mastery: Skyrocket Your Design Biz: A course aimed at enhancing freelance design business skills.
13. AI Magic: Unlock Your Creativity with Midjourney, ChatGPT, and Adobe Firefly: A guide to leveraging AI tools in creative processes.
14. Brand Guideline Sheet: A template for creating concise and clear brand guidelines.
15. Capabilities Deck: A resource for showcasing a freelancer’s skills and capabilities.
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101+ Gift Ideas for Graphic Designers & Creatives

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More 2026 Black Friday & Cyber Monday Deals

I will update the deals below as they come in. If you have your own, please contact me.

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Best Black Friday Laptop Deals for Designers in 2026

Looking to grab a laptop deal on Black Friday? Check out these posts:

• Budget Laptops for Graphic Designers
• Best Laptops for Drawing
• Fastest & Most Powerful Laptops for Graphic Designers
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Also check out the retailers below.

Black Friday & Cyber Monday Retail Links

The big boys will have some great deals too, see their quick links below.

• Amazon
• Walmart
• eBay
• Newegg
• Dell
• B&H Photo
• GameStop
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Black Friday Deal Compilations & Resources

• Where to Find the Best Black Friday Deals for Creatives
• More 2026 Black Friday Deal Compilations coming soon.

Frequently Asked Questions

What is Black Friday?

Black Friday is the Friday following Thanksgiving and is best known for its heavy discounts and sales. For retailers, it’s the day they hope their sales will take them from “in the red” to “in the black” and end the year on a profitable note. For consumers, Black Friday can be one of the best days to do their holiday shopping.

What are the best Black Friday deals for courses?

Udemy, Coursera, Skillshare, and Futur often offer great deals on courses. For those interested in studying branding, we recommend the Brand Master Academy courses.

What is Cyber Monday?

Cyber Monday falls on Monday, November 30, 2026. It is the Monday following Thanksgiving and Black Friday, and one of the best times to find discounts on electronics, gadgets, software, and other online purchases.

What are the best Black Friday deals for designers?

Adobe, Envato Elements, Design Cuts, Creative Market, and Amazon are some of the best places to look for Black Friday deals for designers.

When are the Amazon Cyber Monday and Black Friday sales?

Black Friday falls on Friday, November 27, 2026, while Cyber Monday falls on Monday, November 30, 2026. Amazon typically begins offering deals before Black Friday and continues them through Cyber Monday, although the exact dates and offers can vary.

What are the best laptop deals for designers on Black Friday?

For the best budget deals, take a look at our article on the best budget laptops and keep an eye out for discounts on any of the featured models.

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What makes a customer experience memorable?

In this episode, Jacob Cass & Matt Davies speak with customer experience expert and author Si Elliott about the psychology behind how people experience, perceive and remember brands.

Drawing from his book, Customer Experience Thinking, Si explains how behavioural science can help brands create stronger customer relationships. They explore the role of expectations, emotion, identity, effort, personalisation and control, along with the small details that can shape an entire experience.

They also unpack some of the behavioural biases every brand strategist should understand, including loss aversion, framing, anchoring, social proof, the paradox of choice and the peak-end rule.

You’ll discover:

• Why a customer’s memory of an experience may matter more than the experience itself
• How first impressions influence everything that follows
• Why offering more choice can make an experience worse
• The difference between being personal and being personalised
• How emotion and identity shape brand preference
• Where AI can improve customer experience and where humans should lead

If you want to create brand experiences that feel more human, valuable and memorable, this conversation will change how you think about every customer interaction.

Get Si Elliot’s New Book: Customer Experience Thinking: How behavioural science helps you understand, connect and build deeper relationships.

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Transcript

Hello, folks, welcome to this episode of JUST Branding. Brands spend an absolutely enormous amount of time thinking about how they look, what they say, how they present themselves to the world. But we know that ultimately brands are experienced by human beings, by end consumers. And we know that those human beings sometimes, I would pretty much say all the time, are not really rational in the way that they think and behave. We’re all emotional beings, influenced by context and various other key things. So we’re not robots. So if we want to manage meaning, if we want to build brands, it’s so important that we get our heads around consumer behavior, customer behavior, you could call it, and behavioral science. Today, in this episode, we are exploring a simple question. What can behavioral science teach us about creating better customer and therefore brand experiences? And we have an amazing guest to go into this subject with. Today, we’re joined by Si Elliott, a customer experience expert who spent the last two decades exploring the intersection between digital progress and human connection. Si began his career in marketing and today co-owns creative agency, Diversity, and is the founder of customer experience consultancy, Fabrics, where he combines behavioral science with practical strategy to help organizations create experiences that genuinely resonate with people. On top of that, if that wasn’t enough, he’s also an award-winning guest lecturer at Nottingham Trent University here in the UK, the University of Nottingham and the Communication University of China, as well as sitting on academic advisory boards spanning business and psychology. And perhaps most relevantly, he is the author of a new book that’s just come out this year, Customer Experience Thinking, a practical guide to using behavioral science to build deeper, more meaningful customer relationships. Si, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you for that introduction. There’s very little I can say now. I think you’ve pretty much cut off everything you’ve done.

Let’s wrap it up. Well, I think we could tuck into one small story, and that’s how we first met. Do you want to sort of, you know, open up that can of worms?

Yeah. So 2004, I think it was, our creative studio was a little bit overloaded with work. So we went out to some freelance designers here in Nottingham, and a very energetic young chap with a lot of hair arrived through the door. Did some fantastic work with us. So I can vouch that the work was very good. And we’ve been in touch ever since. And I think it’s always interesting when you have, and you’ve just reeled off a lot of things that I’ve done. And the reason I’ve done that is because I’ve been around for so long. But I think it’s really interesting when you have more than two decades of experience in a market, in an area, in a niche, to see the people that keep coming back into your, kind of revolving around your world and your ether as well, and your network. And yeah, it’s great to see what you’re doing. It’s fantastic to meet Jacob as well. And I’ve got a few questions for Jacob a little bit later on as well. That’s a whole different thing.

Well, thanks for so much for carving out some time. I think it was a couple of years ago, we were in a Starbucks and you mentioned this book that was coming out. And now it’s here. So congratulations on launching it. We’re going to get into that. But one thing I was just going to touch on, I think what’s interesting about our connection is that, in effect, we’ve both had, I would say similar, but different approaches in our career, which is that I think we’ve gone up the value ladder, if you like, in the sense of how are we really creating stuff that has real true meaning and value for customers? And coming from the design and creative side, that’s where my career has gone more into the strategy side. And I know yours has also, and slightly differently, but ultimately kind of ending up on that side of things, which is less about, I guess, the fonts, the colors and the shiny bits, and more about the true, for you, the customer experience that really kind of generates value.

Absolutely. Yeah. And I think you touched on the book, and I’m sure we’ll chat through that a little bit. And that was certainly a labor of love. I know you’re working on one at the moment. I know, Jacob, you’ve been through that process as well. And that was a commitment device. I just told everybody I’m writing a book, because eventually, every time you see someone, they go, how are you getting on with the book? You go, yeah, I need to complete that. But, you know, an absolute curse of optimism. I thought I’d have the book done in a year. It took three years. And hopefully, there’s some value that people can get out from that. But certainly, and I know we haven’t teed up the two letters of AI yet, but we’re never going to get through this without unscathed, without talking about that. That wasn’t even in my thinking when I started the book. But it’s certainly become more important. And the point you touched on now, for anybody working agency side, a designer, people at the moment that maybe have some worries about what’s happening in the world, that moving up the value chain and adding the thinking in is absolutely critical now. It’s never been more important. It’s never. And I think when we touch on what you guys do from a brand perspective, I genuinely think that now might be the most important time in history to get brand right.

Agreed. Well, look, before we tuck in some of that stuff, let’s just start with basics, right? Because we have a varied audience that tune in and we always like to lay some groundwork first. We love definitions on the JUST Branding Podcast just to start us off. So the book’s called Customer Experience Thinking. Perhaps we could get you to give us a definition of what that is. What is customer experience thinking?

Customer experience is just the perception of feelings that people have with the interactions or the experience they have with you, your product, your service or your brand. So in simple terms, that’s all it is and it lives in the mind of the customer. So we’re trying to influence that, but fundamentally, customer experience is always from the other side of the fence and a lot of brands think about what they’re delivering as customer experience rather than what’s been received and trying to fit that on its head and walk in their shoes a little bit more.

Love that. Love that. So why is that important, do you think, to having that kind of mindset around human behavior? Why is that important to creating those experiences for businesses and brands?

Well, let’s think about why does a business exist at all? It’s to serve someone and hopefully have a value exchange where you get compensated for that service to the other side. So I think modern marketing and certainly technology has really driven us down a line of thinking about conversion, thinking about this user, that metric, and we actually need to take a step back and go, we’re actually serving people at the end of the day. A lot of the work you guys will be doing in your day jobs is not just about selling to a business, it’s serving those people within the business. And I feel in marketing, we’re losing a little bit of sight on that. Certainly with big data, certainly when we look at, you know, think about the social platforms and the ability to reach such a large audience, I feel we’re starting to lose a little bit of connection with the fact that it’s the person on the other side that we’re serving. And the brands that do it super well, and I think are gonna be really successful moving forward, are those that keep that in mind and remember, I’m here to serve you. So my book is written to hopefully serve value to you, and therefore it’s worth the money you’ve paid for it, and it creates that value. So I’ve had to write it with you in mind, not in mind of just, this is what I want to say.

Right.

How did you come to the idea of writing a book?

Well, partially, partially there’s a big personal side to it. I’ve got two young daughters, and 11 and 14, they’re digital natives. They’re growing up in a world that is so different to the world I grew up in 40 odd years ago. And I now observe that and think, well, what they’re coming into, how well is it serving them versus they’re serving it? So how much is the technology the master rather than the other way around? So I was starting to just observe this and think about the marketing industry in general, and how we’re, as I say, starting to focus more on metrics, users, conversion rate, rather than delivering out to people. And that’s been accelerated in recent years, but from the start of the book, it was really looking at that and looking at this whole trend of, we’re more connected than ever, but potentially more lonely, we’re a lot more plugged in, there’s notifications going off, I feel it. When I think about starting out in a design creative studio here in Nottingham, I was doing two or three ad campaigns a week, and I used to wait for an ISDN line to slowly tick along, and that’s great. And now I look at the speed that my team are working at, the amount of notifications going off, if you’ve got Slack, if you’ve got Teams, WhatsApp’s going off, emails, people are expecting instant answers on. Everything’s ramping up, but we’ve still got these prehistoric brains that have been formed over thousands of years, and we’re not having hardware updates with our brains as quickly as the technology is. So I’m looking at it and thinking, well, as marketeers, we have a responsibility. We fund a lot of what happens in technical development, because it’s us that is paying these platforms, wanting to have our presence on there. So it’s just thinking about that. And I was seeing a lot of clients having that frustration with, I think, the pace of optimization and wanting to build something that’s a little bit more long term. That was kind of the two things coming together, my two worlds colliding together into a, well, you’ve got an opinion on it, why don’t you start to write a book? You lecture on these things. Why don’t you get it down to paper? Because there’s also only so many conversations you can have in your lifetime. So, you know, hopefully people will pick this book up and go, I did some interesting things in there, but I’m going to move on to the next level. Like the great books I’ve read over the years, that’s part of my evolution in my thinking. I want to just be a little, one of those little ticks in someone else’s evolution along the way, where they start to maybe question things a little bit differently. And I’ve given my daughters the book and asked them to think about their decisions as consumers when they’re trying to buy stuff online as well. Love that.

And I think you’re so right, like short-termism, it can be such a drug, right, for businesses, particularly big organizations where, you know, people are so desperate to justify their existence. And if they can point towards some data somewhere, you know, it feels rational and it feels lovely. And, you know, they can kind of justify their existence when, as you say, if we lose sight of the basic thing, which is as a business, you’re there to serve someone else, you’re there to serve their need today. But if you think just about that, you’ve got a problem, because really you want to be thinking, I’m here to serve you for as long as you need me to. You know, that could be for years. And if you’ve got short-term focus and your teams are all driven, short-term, short-term, short-term, they sometimes might make a decision, which will benefit the customer and themselves in the short-term, but might damage the long-term relationship. And that, I think, is sometimes how businesses and brands get themselves into difficulty. Anyway, what I was going to say was, let’s shift gear a little bit and dive into this like full on, right? Because I know in your book you go through, which by the way, just to lend my endorsement to it, I think everybody on this who’s listening to this should definitely grab a copy. We’ll give details in a minute of where you can get it. But let’s just go into some of the principles that you outline. I think you go through like eight key principles of customer experience. So I was wondering if you’d be open to outlining those for us. And then perhaps we could dive in and unlock a couple and kind of get into some nitty gritty. Would you be open to that?

A hundred percent. Let’s start with why they principles are not rules or laws. And I’m not necessarily the most linear of characters myself. As I would imagine, many great entrepreneurs, business leaders, designers, brand strategists are as well. So the principles because, and my school reports would tell you this, I didn’t always follow the rules. But it’s something that over time that I’ve just crafted these through. So A, where we look at, consider every detail on how they work together, set, manage and exceed expectations, personalised for the individual, on their terms of putting them in control, minimising effort and stress, considering the identity and emotions, learning and building relationship over time and considering all the senses. And they’ll map against whether it’s accessible, functional or emotional or a series of those. And they just help, I think, give foundational building blocks to start planning your work around. The second half of the book dives into Behavioural Science, which takes it to a slightly different place. But that start point is things that we’ve been working with clients for years on, trying to put a little bit of a structure behind it. But I refuse to call it anything beyond principles because I don’t want to be held to it in the fullness of time. We’re allowed to rethink at some point. But certainly, you know, those are the important things that for me, when you guys are doing brand exercise, I’ve got to live up to your brand exercise, putting them through this lens of these eight principles and really testing my metal against that.

Yeah. I mean, some of them, particularly for the designers who are listening in, will be really obvious. Like that first one, consider every detail and how they work together, right? I guess from a visual perspective, a lot of people are familiar with that, but it goes beyond that, doesn’t it?

Absolutely. So as humans, we’re kind of hardwired to notice differences in environment and things that don’t quite join up. Usually that could be, and I’ll quite often talk about our prehistoric roots where you were a caveman. You’d be looking out for those queues.

You’re like the third guest recently that said that I’m a bit caveman-like. I will accept it, but I’m getting a little nervous. Carry on.

But you, evolutionary, have to look out for risks. So you look for inconsistencies, slight things, and then you go, do I trust this now? And it will be the same in any brand exercise as well, where we need to be consistent across the piece, because otherwise I won’t believe your claim. If in three places you say it, but in one place you contradict it. And that’s when I just think about wording and the things that you’re promising. Before then, I look at what you’re doing visually. So if I think about consistency visually, you say, we are an authentic people first brand, and then you’re using AI generated content on social. I don’t believe your first claim now. So consistency is really important. And I think that’s a tough one for designers, because you like novelty. You like to change things up, freshen things up. So for then someone to go, no, no, we need to be super consistent is tough. And a couple of episodes ago, I can’t remember your guest’s name now off the top of my head. But when they talk about Marlborough and then designing things in green, everything’s got to come back. Consistency is a tough one. It is a tough one because we also like novelty ourselves. And when you’re working on something so much, you forget that it’s 100% of your head space. But for the consumer, it’s that fleeting thing that they see once every four months for three seconds.

That’s a great point and I see it all the time. On a macro scale, you get a new CMO and they want to stamp their authority upon the brand, literally take it in a different direction. And again, going back to that first point, is this how we serve people well? I’m working on a big project at the moment in the US and it’s a brand relaunch and it’s going to market. We’ve got ad TV spots and all sorts going out. And I had to have a really serious conversation with the brand director over there because they asked for, in this particular project, for example, different strap lines to the end of every ad. And my position was, look, we should stick to one really strong because we want to kind of be really clear about what we stand for. And they were like, yeah, but don’t you think consumers will get bored? I was like, literally, someone’s going to see one of your ads and then not see it again or see anything to do with your brand for a day or two, right? You know, even with the best funding in the world, that’s the reality. So what we need to do is we need to think exactly this, you know, consider the detail and be really, really clear about the experience. And yeah, I think I won that one, but hey, we’ll wait and see. Time will tell. Yeah, time will tell. I also think like there’s a new rebrand that’s been echoing around the interweb of, you know, the way Coke has been refreshing there. I don’t think that they’ve gone live with it yet, there’s been some sort of leaked Coke things. And what I think is phenomenal about Coke, if you think of a brand with the longevity of say Coca-Cola, how the level of consistency around, you know, some of their key brand codes has been absolutely locked in for many, many years. The red, the ribbon, the way the can and the bottles work and all of that stuff, for years, consistency pays off. And now, yeah, they’ve tweaked a few things, typographies, tweet, you know, et cetera, et cetera. But ultimately, look at brands like that, I would say, to and consider your business, your brand and consider how frequently you’ve changed over the years. You know, a lot of B2B brands change every two, three years and they think this is what it’s about, but perhaps it’s not. Perhaps it’s about consistency.

There has been some dilemmas around with the packaging design and Coke Zero. I don’t know if you’ve seen that, but they can’t tell the difference between Coke Zero and regular Coke because the black has gone and people are picking up the wrong thing and sales are going to go down because of that. So when we talk about how things all work together, I think that is one of those things, even though the system would say to do that, we have to make a decision of like, well, does it actually help the brand and sales? I don’t know. Time will tell on that one.

And that’s where behavioral science comes in and we’re going to get to that. We’re going to get to that, but let’s keep going through these principles, right? So that was number one, consider every detail and how they work together. Number two, set, manage and exceed expectations. Kind of like, how does that work? Like that’s a tough one, right? Like how do you exceed expectations, Si?

Before we get into that, Si, I just had a question because you mentioned these, like building blocks and we want to make them usable and practical, but before we get into this, for the context of how we actually apply this, using these principles, how do you generally work with clients if you’re going through these principles and like make it usable?

So typically a client will either come in and go, let’s look at the whole of our experience, map it out, so customer journey map it right the way through. Or alternatively, they may, the spot point might be, we don’t think this bit’s working. Can we have a look at that? And then you end up expanding out from there. So they’re looking to sharpen up a certain elements they might see that they are customer satisfaction scores are through the floor. Or our NPS all of a sudden has gone massively backwards. We don’t know why. Or alternatively, we’re having this issue over here. Yeah, we used to get this response rate is now dropped down to this, or we’re seeing a higher churn in some of our customer base. So it could be any one of those. And for anybody doing this as well, you don’t always need to grab someone like me and you can just start to pick this up and look at it yourself. But I would always say where you think the problem is, is rarely where it actually is, and you have to expand it out. So they’ll be like, right, our conversion rate there is bad. Okay, why? And that does kind of come on to Matt’s next one, then, which is about set, manage and exceed expectations, which we often talk about, let’s exceed expectations. But that’s firstly, the start point actually is take a step back and go, does Jacob actually understand what is required? So let’s think about getting a mortgage. Do you know the component steps when you’re first time buyer of getting a mortgage? No, you don’t. So from the outset, we’re going to be super clear and go, right, okay, Jacob. So nine step process. First bit, you’re going to get dead excited because we’re going to tell you exactly how much money you can borrow. So then you’re going to jump over if you’re in the UK, some like right move and start searching for properties and get all excited at that point. But by the way, just to give you a heads up, there’s going to be a really boring point where we ask you to show us all your credit card statements, all your bank statements, go through that process of due diligence. That’s a real emotional low point in the process. So we’re going to have to work really hard at that point. So to start with, in a lot of purchases, we don’t have background record or history to know what we’re doing. Yeah, go to pick up a can of Coke in a local supermarket. We’ve done that handful of times, so we know what we’re doing. Although if we picked up Coke Zero, it’s a bit disappointed now because of the color scheme. But we know what we’re doing. But in a lot of cases, we don’t. If it’s the first time you’re engaging in the space, you don’t. Or alternatively, if you are the first direct, when they first came out from a banking perspective, you’re doing things differently to the other guys. You got no branches, it’s all online. Well, I’m going to have to walk you through that process. So, starting that out, and personally when I think about that, I want to lean back in on the team that’s done brand creation to go, right, what are we setting in how we talk to people? What are we setting those expectations? And expectations will also be set from external factors. So, I am setting up a little shoe shop here in Nottingham, doing lovely tailored shoes. Yeah, Jacob, you’re like, I want next day delivery because Amazon Prime has got me on that page. I can’t deliver on that. So, I need to explain to you very early on, these are tailor-made, they’re going to take us two weeks to create the shoe. We’re going to send you out a measuring chart so we get your size of foot absolutely right. And then it’s going to be delivered out to you. And then ideally if we can deliver that in one and a half weeks, well, that’s where we’ve exceeded the expectation, but we’ve got to set it and then manage that along the way as well. And if any brand leaves a gap in the management of expectations and things, and we’re not going to be too clear, we don’t need to mention that. One of your competitors who’s more aggressive in any space will have set a different expectation. Amazon, as I say, has changed all expectations and changed a lot of consumer behavior, so we plan less in advance. So now, my boutique shoe shop all of a sudden has to work really hard to overcome that and give you the story of maybe the individuals who are making your shoes behind the scenes as well. So you get that emotional warmth to it and you go, this is what I’m buying into, I’m buying into this experience.

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Yeah, personalization is a tough one and it happens at scale when you have longer relationships because you have more data to put on and more understanding. And things don’t always have to be at a huge scale. There’ll be a lot of small businesses that will get a lot more data points quickly because of the nature of their transactions with people and B2B very much so. So B2B, for me, when I look at personalization and B2B, so everybody in marketing goes, oh, let’s personalize, right? So we’ve got a first name tag on an email. Great. Okay. But actually, have we thought about our clients who are buying from us and those individuals of Jacob and Matt and actually what their needs are and how we’re now presenting to their needs? So we’ve got this advantage now where technology allows us to tailor things a lot more, but only if you’ve got really good steer on the person first. And that’s where with a lot of the brand work we do and a lot of the planning work we’re doing, it’s looking at building up customer advisory programs and things like that to start to understand cohorts of customers. But then it is about, a lot of it is data driven, but doesn’t always have to be big data. It can be the things that if you’re having a conversation with me and I’m your client, you’ll be making some notes about things. And it might be, SIA CMOs have a real battle with the CFO because they’re trying to drive more performance metrics in the next six months, because that’s really important for these reasons over here. Okay, I now know with my proposal how I personalise that. So depends where you are. And obviously when it comes to mass marketing, I’ll probably talk about an American brand called Zappos quite a bit because they are literally world class in customer experience. So I’ll talk about those guys a bit, but they’re the one I will use to people when they go, but this doesn’t scale because they sold to Amazon for 1.2 billion. So that’s enough scale to evidence it. But you have to have the desire to really want to get close to Jacob to understand his world, to be able to deliver a really personal service.

I think that’s such a great point. I mean, sort of the gimmicky side of it, you’ve got like Starbucks writing my name on my cup. And I just love that, like, you know, with a little kiss or a little smiley face. Always makes me feel wonderful. That’s personalised, but I think with the rise of AI and the tech space, like you were saying, the data that we can now use and then leverage, it goes beyond that. I was excited to see Hilton doing, you know, they have like smart rooms, right? So you go into your hotel room, you can set the temperature, you set the lighting. And most people set that and they don’t really change it beyond like turning it off at night. And then they go out the next day and then, you know, you fly over to New York, you go into Hilton, flip, you’ve got to set it all up again, right? So what Hilton are doing is these, I can’t remember what it’s called, I think it’s called Hilton Connect, this concept where they know you, they know your preference in terms of temperature, heat, lighting and stuff. And that’s just automatically set when you walk in the room. That to me is like hyper, you know, hyper personalized, such a beautiful thing for them to do as a service to their customer. And then I don’t know if they’re going to do this, but I imagine they’re going to leverage that as a differentiator, right? So that now if I have to choose a Hilton versus something else, and I have a travel lodge or something, I’m going to choose the Hilton because I know I’m getting that extra level of kind of service. So that’s where I think we can get to if you really, as you say, get close to the customer and look for opportunities to build brand experiences that go beyond.

So yeah. Why have they come up with that? Because of course, that will be linked into a lawyers program where I can get you to sign up. And obviously then I’ve got you on that database. But why have they done that? Because they’ve walked in the shoes of people staying in the hotels and thought of those points of annoyance, those little points of annoyance and friction points and gone. How do we make that just that little bit easier?

Like the observation of that is super smart, isn’t it? Like they would have, as you say, like would have had to have spent some time either as customers themselves or with customers to see, oh yeah. And notice what I think is smart about that is, it’s not like they followed a customer into one hotel, right? As you said earlier, they’ve sort of zoomed out. They followed customers throughout maybe a year of interacting with the hotels or six months, and then figured out that this is a little pain point. That the customer might not have even thought that they had, right? Because like who would expect the same room setting from when you last visited hotel? How interesting.

Or they may have borrowed that idea because someone in their leadership team might have been in Uber, and knowing that in Uber you can put your settings in of temperature, whether you want a conversation, whether you want music, and they might have gone, why aren’t we doing this? And so I’m all about borrowing from other brands and seeing what other people are doing around in similar space and different space and going, how can we apply that to what we’re doing?

As an ex-designer, I can vouch for borrowing as a very exciting way of leveraging your work. That was number three, by the way, to personalise. Let’s get into number four. You’ve said on their terms and put them in control is principle four, which I guess is what we’re talking about here as well, isn’t it?

Absolutely. And look, we all like the autonomy. We love freedom, don’t we? That’s our autonomy to be able to make decisions. Well, if you’re selling to me, but it’s all on your terms, the way I can communicate with you is only via certain channels. I had a real annoyance of being stuck in Copenhagen Airport when Heathrow, they had a fire, so the airport was shut for the first time in decades. I couldn’t get in touch with BA to have a conversation. Sadly, I could only do stuff through the app, and I was getting a lot of contradictory advice. On my terms at that point means I have the ability to press a button to bring someone. 95% of the time, my interaction with them is great through the app, but in those moments, I need to do that. All the power is taken away from me, so I was hugely frustrated. Now, it’s not really the brand’s fault. There’s a big factor of influence in them externally, but it didn’t meet up to my expectations of a premium carrier, and so it took the control away from me in the moment. That adds stress, just builds up your annoyance, and of course, I’m not going to blame myself. It’s never my fault, so I’m not irrational. I’m not unreasonable, so that’s their fault. So it is really important, where possible. You can’t always put people in control. So when Jacob’s getting his mortgage with me, I can’t say, yeah, don’t worry about sending me the credit card bills. I don’t need to see those. There are certain things that you have to do, but I just need to go, how’s the best way to serve Jacob? What are the best channels for him to get in touch with? And if there’s a point where I go, yeah, this bit is going to be frustrating. How do I sweeten that a little bit, soften it a little bit when I need to get that information? But yeah, absolutely everything is about putting you in control, which is why your SatNav will offer you three different routes to go somewhere, even though it knows the optimal one, it knows you’re probably going to hit the optimal one every single time. We don’t want the machine telling us what to do. I want to choose from it. So it’s curated me three options and I’ll choose the option. It’s the one that was in the darker blue that was the fastest route by six minutes anyway. So it always knew I was going to do it, but it gives me the options rather than just presenting one. And I think that’s a really important thing as well, is that the choice and allowing people to have that opportunity to have choice doesn’t let them feel in control of the zone, even if they’re always going to go down that same darker blue six minutes.

Right, it gives them the option on the one in a millionth time they might want to try something different. They know that that option’s there. So as you say, they don’t feel trapped or pushed into an area. I think as soon as you start feeling like a brand or a salesperson or anyone is pushing you, at least for me, with my… I don’t know, is it a British thing? I don’t know. It’s like my wife, if we ever go into a carpet like a retailer or something, and there’s a salesperson that’s overly eager, she just walks out. It’s like brutal, brutal response to that. So if you feel pushed sometimes, it can have a real negative effect. Principle five is minimize effort and stress, which again, it’s interesting how these all feed into each other. I just wondered, is it often with your work that removing things can actually enhance a customer experience? What are your thoughts on minimalism?

Absolutely. We live in such a busy overloaded world. Wherever we can make things simple for people, when we come on to behavioral science, we’ll talk about cognitive load a little bit, which is just our thinking, the amount of thinking we have to do. There are so many decisions we need to make in a day. So where you can make things a little bit easier for me, remove the stress out of it, then I’m absolutely going to welcome it. And that just take friction out of that loop. I think that’s really important. And I think nowadays we do try and overload too much of everything and just paring it back is really important. Now there will always be as well, these are principles. And you’re right, because it’s almost like, if you pick up a fishing net, all of them are, you may pick up the one where you go, this is about identity and emotion, but everything else comes with it. And this is how you see how these work together. But yeah, if you start to think about how busy and how overloaded I am, how can I pull this back and make it easy, except if I’m in a space where I actually want to make the cost of entry difficult. So if you want to get a Rolex, that is not simple. But that’s part of the experience, is I have to actually go through this process of being on a wait list, buying four other Rolexes to be one of their key customers. Or when you look to think of the Enzo Ferrari, it was invite only to purchase it when they released that. Now, you would think, well, actually, I’ve got two million pounds to pay here. Can I just have it? No, you can’t. And so some brands and in some spaces will go the other way. So if you wanted a Porsche 911 GT3 RS, you have to have owned to think at least four or five Porsches before you’re allowed to go in and spend the 300,000 pounds on it. And so all of these things as well, you have to look at context of where you are and what your experience is, because some things you would ramp that up because that should be part of the experience. But in 95% of the cases, you want to be trying to just make it as easy as possible for that person to make the best decision for themselves. That’s an important factor, not the one that makes Matt the most amount of money on his SaaS product. But what is the right one for Jacob to be buying? Let’s make that right. Loyalty will come longer term. Recommendation comes longer term. So we’re not just trying to upsell him into the enterprise tier because he’s never going to use it and eventually he’ll drop off. We go, you’re in the pro tier. That’s the exact right one for you. So how do you make it easy for him to get to that decision point?

Yeah, I think that’s so smart. And also it’s about serving the person. So for luxury brands, like you mentioned, like the Porsche or Rolex examples, you know, scarcity is part of that identity that you want to create for that individual, right? You don’t want… It’s like I was listening to a podcast bizarrely. I listened to all sorts of podcasts, as well as the JUST Branding one, of course. Listened to all the back episodes every single time, don’t we, Jacob? But it was on the royal family, right? The British royal family. And one of the things that this commentator was saying was that, you know, it’s a scarcity thing, right? Like the royal family, part of their success is that they create that sort of very scarce interactions with the royal family. They’re not going to be walking down the street with a plastic bag full of shopping, right? It’s curated and it’s scarce, which makes it an attraction to certain people. So I think that’s a great point. Sometimes it’s not about removing things. But if you’re going to put things in the customer’s way, I think what your point is is that you should design them carefully so they service that customer and what that customer wants in terms of the value it’s getting from the brand. So scarcity being one of those. Rather than what I see a lot of brands, and you probably do as well, Si, is like there’s frustrations in the customer journey that they’re not even aware of, right? And therefore, if only they could just become more aware of that, then they could take steps to remove that stress. And I think that’s your point, isn’t it?

Absolutely.

Yeah, brilliant.

It perfectly leads into the next one around their identity and emotions. I see what you’ve done here, Si.

Smart.

Hopefully, it flows quite nicely. And that probably answers why it took three years to do the book. Yeah, I mean, look, every purchase really is partially us signaling what I want the world to see about me. So before we came on this, Matt was like, are you on Mac? I’m like, no, I’m on PC.

Oh, that old debate goes back decades.

Yeah, whereas Jacob, you’re like, okay, here’s how we do the settings. Whereas Matt couldn’t have a PC because he needs to be on the train to London with everybody seeing that he’s creative and a little bit different. And that’s what the Mac immediately screams. But I jest with that a little bit, but it’s so true. Those choices and decisions we make are often, with brands, is what this says about me to the rest of the world as well.

Tribal, aren’t they, yeah.

So that’s why we are thinking about identity. Car purchases, you are buying into not just a car, but what the car says about you. So it might be that you want to be seen as sensible, family man, you’ve got the Volvo or something along those lines. Whereas, you know, maybe it’s, I’m going through my midlife crisis, so I go out and buy the Ferrari or something. Therefore, I want people to see, oh, he’s successful, you know, he’s liquid, he’s got money, he’s got a Ferrari, he likes design, he’s a good driver. Although, you know, you’d probably question that later on. And so thinking of people’s identity is really important because again, you put yourself in their shoes. And then when we think about emotions, how much in certain moments in time does the emotional state change the reaction from someone? And how can we help be sensitive towards that? Back to my point at Copenhagen Airport, I was just frustrated. So the first person I speak to when I’ve got back to seven days later, I’m probably not as reasonable as if it was just a normal call to find out about some points or how I can claim a reward seat. So yeah, identity is so important and we like to think, we love to think that we’re totally logical and we’re not driven by emotion. And that we’re not these kind of egotistical people that have to show the world I’m brilliant. But the reality is we’ve kind of got that bubbling under the surface. We need to be aware of that and aware of the people. So if you’ve got a product, let’s say in a construction trade category and you talk about it’s the professional product, well, that’s going to attract people that want to be, they might pay the premium to be buying those professional products because they want to be seen to be there. And when we think about the construction trades, it’s very tribal when it comes to what tools you’re using and what you’ve got on site. And you can see the tribes separate out and they’ll mock, oh, you’ve got the red tools, oh, you’ve got the green ones. But again, that is them virtue signaling when they go on site, this is who I am and this is the kind of tribe I’m part of.

So principle seven is learn and build the relationship over time, which I guess almost brings us full circle. We were talking about short-termism and long-termism. But what changes, Si, when brands and brand leaders start thinking longer term about the customer relationship as opposed to short-term, do you think?

I’ll give you one executional point that gets right away. You don’t have this crazy first sign-up form that’s trying to extract 18 different answers and therefore has a really poor conversion rate. Because you’re asking for that information over time, you’re building up, you’ve got value exchange in there as well. So to be able to do the whole thing of personalization, I need your information, but don’t be too over familiar too quickly and don’t start asking Matt for every bit of detail. Back to Jacob and we’re doing that mortgage again. To start with, I know I need to get him in gradually by going, what’s your earning? So I can give you a number so you can start to look for properties and build the excitement from there. No, right, now give me your credit card details. All of these are on the way as well. So it is building those bits out and some of those bits within that mortgage process will be very much around. These are functional things I need to deliver for you, but other things is how do I enrich it? So back to my shoes. Well, start with, I just want to know about Jacob’s feet so I can send him those lovely brogues out. And then eventually it’s like, okay, start to understand, right, we’ve got a young family. Okay, right, we do a range of kids’ shoes. These will be nice for Christmas. Start to build that out, but I’m not going to ask him that when we’re first talking about the shoes he needs for a meeting in a month’s time, not the day after, because otherwise, sorry, head to Amazon Prime, you know, in a month’s time. I’m not going to start extracting that, but over time as he gets to know the brand, he’s going to be a little more comfortable. And there is quite a a persistence, especially in the younger generation as well, on their data and protecting their data, which I think is great. You know, understanding the value of your data and how it’s shared with people, I think is something that should be taught in schools. I think it’s really, really important. So we as a brand want to, I want to get that from you, but I’ve got to do it slowly. Look, I’m building up hopefully a long-term relationship rather than one night stand with you. So I’m not going to last too much straight off the bat. I want to marriage with you eventually as a brand and as a business. That’s where I want to get to, not a series of one night stands that are just constantly churning through people. But it does take time and our impatience often means that we are trying to extract that too quickly. I think you’ve really got to pose the question, how much I’m asking for Matt and Jacob’s benefit versus how much I’m asking for my benefit. Right.

It’s about volumes. Okay. Last principle. Should we do that?

Absolutely.

Consider all the senses. This is an interesting one. I’d love to get your thoughts on this in relation to the digital world that we’re in. Because obviously with digital, we sometimes limit the senses to what the sight, possibly hearing, I guess. But how can brands start to do this and think about all the senses, particularly in a digital world? That would be my question.

You got to work hard in a digital world because the senses are at the moment, at the moment, who knows where we’re going to be in 10 years’ time, the senses are fairly limited. From a brand perspective, I would say that vision is the sense that 99 cent of effort’s gone into and the others come for the ride from time to time, where possible. But if I’m an online retailer of clothes, I’ve got to make sure the copywriting really brings the fabrics to life. So that’s where I want to work with really talented writers to achieve that. Otherwise, it’s very hard for you to go, well, this woolen knit sweater, OK? And I’m not a copyright. So I can’t give you a great description right now of how I should write that. But I would want to try and bring that to life. I would also want to make sure that I’m investing in really great photography to get the right angles to bring that to life as well. So to start to build out those senses. It is tough, as I say, for digital brands. And in some space, it doesn’t lend. And that’s why the principle is because somebody is going to need to forget. But when I look at a brand who spans digital and the online and in real life, I look at, there’s a guy called Matt Siebeck, who’s Chief Experience Officer at St. Louis City Soccer Club. I went to spend some time with them. And those guys, the MLS New Boys, they’ve been around for five years now. And the way they’ve set up their customer experience is anybody gets a chance to go and watch a, and I will try and call it soccer, because I have to remember to do that, to pay homage to them and talk about, on the pitch and things like that, as they would talk about it. But they looked at every sentence when they would, they would design the stadium. So the rake of the stand, the angle of the stand, was designed to be still safe, but the best acoustics that will bounce the noise back from the other end. They’ve got a Chief Flavor Officer. So a guy who curates the retailers, the food retailers.

That’s like my kind of job. I’d like that.

Yeah, what a great job. Yeah, what a great job. When I met him, he was also one of the happiest men I’ve ever met. I don’t know why. But Matt was talking to me and he was saying, what we’ve done as well is we want the best smelling stadium in the world. So most stadiums will take the exhaust fume from where you’re cooking and fire out the stadium. He’s like, I’ve got such good food vendors, I send it down the concourse. So he’s thinking about all of those elements. And ultimately, it’s just a soccer match, right? People are just turning up to watch that. But in doing that, 65% of revenues before the game kicks off, they think about simplicity through, they’ve got contactless supermarkets at half time, they’ve got city pay that’s on their app that speeds stuff up. But they’ve thought about all of the senses when you go to the stadium and really give them a little thought and then how they’re bringing them back into the app experience as well. So yeah, it’s tough in a digital interface to get all of those across. And if you can’t, don’t worry about it. But you do need to start to think of those and actually, as I say, going back to the retailer when we’re thinking from a clothing perspective, don’t just AI generate some functional copy, bring it to life. What am I going to be feeling when I pick that item up and really spend time on that? I’ve done a lot of work over the years with Dulux Paints. Just look at the name of the paint colors that they come up with. That’s what they’re trying to do. They’re trying to make it feel more of a sensory experience.

Yeah, I think everyone can learn from that. And even, I guess you’d call them, primary digital brands often could, if they had the desire, enter the physical space potentially as well. Jacob, I’m thinking of your… I’ve just got this here before me. Jacob runs a community called the Brand Builders Alliance, right? And I’m a coach on it. And I remember, Jacob, you sent me this lovely medallion coin. I’m a resident coach and it’s there. And it’s kind of like, you didn’t have to do that, right? But it kind of connects me in a different way. I’ve got a field to it. I’m just sort of spinning around in front of random people. But, you know, and it’s true, there’s opportunities to build longer term relationships to enhance brand meaning through different senses. So I think that’s absolute. And we often overlook it. So that’s super smart. I’m just mindful time is running on rampantly. And we’ve kind of got through the first half of the book, there is the whole second half, which we’ve been alluding to. So I definitely want to touch on that. That talks about behavioral science, talks to us about biases and how behavior is influenced and how that kind of changes our understanding of brands. I’d love to just dive into a few random ones, if I might, off the card. So I’m going to pick like a handful and then perhaps, you know, folks, if you want more, they’re all in the book, but I’m going to pick randomly like a loss aversion. Let’s talk about that for a moment.

Yeah, so in the book, just to give a little bit of context, eight categories of behavioral biases that we frequently use in customer experience. There are far more, but we need to keep things simple. Otherwise, the book would have been far too long and probably a little bit too dull of me droning on by the end of it, in eight categories, but yeah, loss aversion. So-

This is in anxiety, which is the first kind of negative behavioral bias.

Yeah, so anxiety is a category where we worry about stuff. And you will, if I ask you something that you’ve been ruminating on for the last week, that happened to you last week, it’s usually the negative things that come to mind first. And that’s normal, that’s the survival instinct. We should focus on the negatives, because the threats are the things that probably used to take us down more than the positive things. So be mindful of that big line over there, rather than the fact that there’s beautiful sunshine on the far side of us. But loss aversion really looks at the fact that psychologically we feel the pain of a loss twice as much as that of a relative gain. So you losing 10 pounds is feels the equivalent psychologically as you gaining 20 pounds. So you can start to think about this and people will protect themselves against losing. And with the behavioral biases, like that idea, you put on one loads of other ones, some of them are interrelated to it as well. So then that will take you down the route of things like status quo bias where the best way to not make a mistake is to make no decision at all. But we find that in language and terminology and Carphone Warehouse here in the UK, mobile phone retailer did it where they just changed it from rather than saying saved, saying you could be wasting 194 pounds a year on the wrong tariff, we can help you. So straight away, that’s actually more powerful psychologically. So we look at loss aversion and we look at the things I’ve got and I’ve built up are mine and giving them away is quite painful. So it is just that considering that even in some of the language and some of the copy that you use and just the way that you’re phrasing your benefits to people might be not always about what you’re saving them, but you may be bringing them. And anxiety is a difficult one because you don’t always want to lead with a negative. You don’t want to scare tactics all the time. So you’ve got to be very, very cognizant of how you’re presenting it. But you’ve got to know it’s there because if we know people got these things, you can provide reassurance. So with anything anxiety based, I’d say you need to address it with reassurance rather than just going deep in, oh, Matt, you’re going to lose out on all these things because that’s quite a scary space.

I think some companies do this quite well, like car companies where you can borrow the car overnight and you get to try it out. You don’t want to give it back. Apple, I put my laptop into repair. They gave me one to use and I didn’t want to trade that back in for my older one. So that sort of thing, they get you.

Yeah, I mean, a car salesman is, when you look at some of the, let’s say their behavioral science nudges, tricks or hacks, use car salesman as some of the best because they give you the car key. They take you on the test ride. I mean, absolutely right. That’s not my car for the time being. And then it’s like, you got to give the key back now. There’s just that little trigger of psychological pain that helps maybe convert you a little bit more. And I will take a step back within the behavioral science element as well to remind everybody, we are here to serve others. We are here to create the best customer experience for the customer. So it’s not how we make the most out of you by using these as tricks or using the dark arts to try and get you to spend a bit more. We’re just going to try and simplify your decision making using these biases to allow you to process and make that decision as easily as possible and be able to figure out what’s best for you.

Yeah, I’ve had people throw that at me sometimes like, are we being manipulative? It’s like, no, we’re not being manipulative. We have to write the instructions for downloading and using the app. Right. We might as well write it in a way that will help people with what we’re trying to serve them with. So we might as well do it in a way that’s easier for them, like you were saying. So I think that makes complete sense. The second behavioral bias that you mentioned is about being right, and you go through things like confirmation bias. So that one’s really quite interesting as well. I’m like a kid in a sweet shop, Si, we could go on forever, but I’m just mindful that we’re running through. I’m going to jump to number three, which is about context, because this is one I’m particularly excited about. Can we dive into framing? That’s a behavioral bias that we have, how things are framed. I wonder if you could talk to that briefly.

Yeah, I mean, no decision is made in isolation, is it? Everything is within the context that is around us. So how you frame your offer can be incredibly powerful or incredibly demotivating, depending on what sits around that as well. So if visually you’ve got a really busy web page and someone’s already overloaded and then you want them to absorb your message or that structure to the offer that you’re putting forward, that’s going to be really tough. But when I think of context as well, I like to think if you want a nice ice cold bottle of beer, you’re going to go into the supermarket, you might pay a couple of pounds for it, maybe $3 for you, Jacob, I’m not sure. But now you’re on the beach, you’re on a holiday, it’s absolutely boiling. Someone walks up with a bucket of ice cold beers and offers you one for 10 pounds, you’re probably going to buy it. That bottle of beer is exactly the same, the temperature of the beer is exactly the same, but everything else in the context has changed. So all of a sudden your value case of what you’re willing to pay, because you wouldn’t do it in the supermarket, your value case has changed. So we often think, oh, I’ve really got to work on the pricing element of my offer. But what’s all the other stuff around it? And how does that all influence it? And you get into things like when you look at anchoring. So the first number you see, you then adjust, you anchor to that number, you adjust around it. So if I was like you two, and I might be teaching how to suck eggs here, like a super successful brand consultant doing massively high value ad stuff, I would start with the client by saying, and in getting this work right, we are going to create an incremental five million pounds worth of value. So then Matt, when I’m asking you for 100,000 pounds, you go, well, that feels really good value. Whereas if I start asking you for 100,000 pounds and then try and build up the value case, I’ve anchored to that first number. So context and framing is something that’s really important for people to consider.

Yeah, people should totally take note of that. Definitely all those consultants out there that I speak to, I always say, like, how much do you charge? And I always find that people charge way too low for the value that they bring. And it’s exactly because of what you said, because we anchor into not the value that we’re going to bring. So, so important. Number four of the behavioral biases is around, like, memory, and priming is quite an interesting one that I think maybe we could tuck into. What’s priming?

Well, priming is that we start, and it’s very similar to anchoring, we start with the first thing we see, and then everything is built from that. So first impressions really do count. And fundamentally, we’re trying to build up good memory structures with people. There’s a lot of great evidence-based marketing now that we’re starting to see around memorability, and that is really important, because what we have to remember is we’ve got two cells. So you’ve got your experiencing self, and typically living in about three second segments, and then everything else goes to the remembering self. So life is the story that we tell ourselves that we’ve been down, and actually it’s not always that factually correct, but the bits that are salient, we will remember. And one of the things that is going to be salient is the first time I see something. So the first time I come across something, that is what’s going to be salient. And one of the things, I love serial position effect. I talk to marketeers about this all the time, because it’s a mistake I made for at least two decades of my career, which was we’ve got five features benefits, whatever it wants to be, and we just put them in priority number one to five. And the reality is first and last of the most memorable and the ones in the middle of the list are more likely to be forgotten. And it’s only when you look at primacy, recency, that you start to understand that. It’s just those little tweaks that this allows you to bring in that just makes it easier for the person to remember it. And as I say, building memory is probably the most important thing that we’re doing from a brand perspective, from a customer experience perspective, because living in the moment is so fleeting and life moves on so quickly.

Right, right. So some of the other principles you talk about in relation to building memory are like overconfidence, like optimism bias, for example. Talk about simplicity and then that’s where you talk about anchoring amongst other things. Number seven is social. I think it might be worth tapping into that, particularly like social proof, like how that affects you, because I understand that from a psychological perspective, if you’re the first one in your social group to do stuff, to do something, to buy something, to own something, you’ve got to overcome that weirdness, right? Because why are you the first one doing it? The first person to buy solar panels, for example, in the street has to overcome this weirdness where we’re all going to be looking around going, oh, you’ve got your social panels heavy. And so you’ve got to kind of that we have to navigate that social side of things. How would you sort of advise brands who are trying to do something new that have to kind of figure out that bias against people kind of taking a double take at the new thing that they’re doing?

I think let’s understand where it comes from first, right? We are social animals, we’re herd animals. So through thousands of years of evolution, we had a higher survival rate if we’re part of a tribe, a clan, part of a community. So that is what deep down drives us. You’ve just touched on that, you don’t want to stand out from the crowd. If we go to a new city, two coffee shops next to each other, there’s a queue out the door of one, the other one’s empty. On a logical level, it’s quicker to get my coffee and get out and get on with the rest of the day if we go to the one that’s empty. I’m going to join the queue because firstly, I’m delegating the decision to the rest of the tribe and secondly, they must know something that I don’t know. Now, if I’m a new brand or we’re moving into an innovative space, I would come back to the bit that I was chatting to Jacob about, which is, okay, let’s go and find the people who’ve got that identity of wanting to be an innovator and be different and make sure it’s not too psychologically uncomfortable to be different. But actually, to be the guy in the street that drives a Tesla and has the solar panels and everybody knows is the king of net zero if you’re based here in the UK and actually wants to be known by their green credentials and wants to step out from the crowd. But social is just so important. And out of all the categories, that’s the one just remember we heard animals. And so you’ve got to do the hard yards to start with. But that’s then when the flywheel kicks in and all of a sudden, it starts to drag a load of people through. And then, okay, maybe I’m trying to expand into a different area of the solar panels. Well, I might use the case study of the people that are in Tunbridge Wells, different area of the UK and go, you know, all these people have done it and this is what they’ve seen and try and give evidence to get those first people over the line. And then I would be promoting to the rest of that street, the solar panels and saying, how clever is your neighbor? They’re saving all of this money. Why aren’t you on it yet? And then they’re probably going to go and talk to the neighbor and the neighbor is because again, we’ve got this ego, I’d like to be right. The neighbor’s not going to go, yeah, they’re a bit of a nightmare. They’re brilliant. Yes, best thing I’ve ever done. I’m the first one on the street. Aren’t I clever? I’m playing into my identity and emotions once again, and they’ll do the sales job for you.

That totally happened to us. We live in a super rural area here in Wales, and I think I was having issues with the internet all the time. I was having really bad wired internet, and then I got 4G, really annoying. And then I bought Starlink, and then loads of people were talking to me about Starlink. Now everybody’s got Starlink, but I found it quite weird. At first, I did have that thought like, well, if this is so good, why am I the first person doing it? And it does cross your mind, that thing. But once you see a few around, then it becomes easier because you don’t have to stay.

And that’s a great example, because two years ago I sat in a coffee shop with someone talking about, moaning about my Wi-Fi, because I live next to a farm. And that person, who sometimes looks a bit like a caveman. So I’ve got Starlink, and it’s absolutely brilliant. So I’ve now got Starlink. A brother of all that lives across the field from me has now got Starlink. And it expands out from that. And that is social, the power of social.

I forgot I had talked to you about that. Like, last one is value, which Starlink gives me lots of value. Just sort of touch on that. What do we mean by value in behavioral science?

Well, we’re not. The interesting thing in behavioral science is that we’re often economists. So behavioral economics basically starts to look at… If you studied economics, you would assume everyone was like Dr. Spock, a bit of a human calculator, working out the best possible option and then just going with that. But we’re far more Homer Simpson, where we’re driven by the donor. We’re irrational, I should say. We are beautifully irrational. And so value, we don’t just go, oh, that is 12 pounds 78 pence, therefore it’s worth it. We’re relating, what else can I do with that? It’s because that’s how we used to manage resources. So if I’m trading meat with UMAP for something, it’s like, how much do I want to trade there? Because I’ve got to trade some others. So I’m managing my pile of resources. And just so happens now that we look at it as money, in most cases, sometimes it might be our time as well. So we’re always trading things off. And you’ve got things like effort heuristic, which is around if we demonstrate how much effort went to the production or something, people value that higher. So all of a sudden, if you just went brand exercise, three bullet points and then just number at the bottom, then I go, okay. But if you then went, and I’m using this framework, I’ll do this, and follow this, and do these stakeholder meetings, and this happens, and then we do this mapping, we do these workshops, and then same number. Same outcome, very different feeling about the effort going into it, and therefore the value that sits within it as well. Then you’ve got things like Veblen Goods, which we touched on Rolex earlier on as well, which is actually the more expensive something goes, the more desirable it is, because again, it’s showing that I am super successful. If I do have a Rolex on my wrist, which I don’t, if you do have a Rolex on my wrist, all of a sudden it’s showing in the world that I’m super successful, because everybody knows that was really hard to get my hands on as well. Value is very much something that we often look at it and just think solely based on price elasticity, but there’s so much more you can do to build out that value. Just look at the way that Jack Daniels talk about their Tennessee bourbon. And actually the way they talk about 130 years of craft, our craftsmen, this barrelman, seven generations, etc. They’re just building that out. So you go, a lot goes into that little bottle of light brown fluid. But they’re building that out in their communications and what they’re doing. And clearly, I mean, I noticed this probably about four or five years ago from them, so I’m not sure how long they’ve been doing it for. But clearly, there’s something within the business where it’s going, we need to build out the value case in the mind of the consumer. We don’t just want to race to the bottom on price, where we’re having to discount to get bottles off the shelf. We want to really reinforce that. So value sits in the eye of the beholder, but it’s how can we therefore just start to influence that?

Love it. A lot of work I do with leadership teams is to try and get them to focus on the unique value that they can only bring to market, that their competitors can’t do very easily or won’t do. I love to help teams focus on that. If you can get that and orientate a business towards it, absolutely, gold dust. I’ve done it a few times and it’s been great. I think it’s good to see it in the behavioral science bit of the equation. Well, look, we’ve gone through absolute s**t loads there. We’ve basically done a whole run through the book. But folks, we’ve hardly touched on any of really what Si has put in the book as well. So although we’ve gone through the high level, there’s a lot still in the book. So I want to encourage everybody to get that. I want to do a quick fire round with you now, Si, and then we’ll wrap. Is that, are you good for that?

Let’s go for it.

All right, Jacob, you up for up for some quick fire questions?

Yeah, let’s do it.

Should we go first? Yeah, go.

All right, best customer experience you’ve ever had?

It’s got to be St. Louis City Soccer Club. Matt Seebeck is genuinely, we often say visionary about people. Not everybody lives up to that title, but this guy absolutely nails it.

Most frustrating CX mistake that brands make?

Rush to automation when you need human in the loop. That’s only getting worse. We’ve seen big brands say they’re getting rid of 700-odd customer service executives, then to realize actually that their customer experience has gone through the floor and have to bring it back. It’s often just a cost-cutting exercise rather than thinking what’s right for the customer.

One behavioral bias every brand strategist should understand?

Our Starlink example there, everyone is social animals, so you’ve got to think about how to create that herd mentality. If you’re in the early innovative stages, then you’ve really got to think about how you find that lead user community to really start the flywheel.

Nice. One brand that really understands customer experience and not the one that you gave earlier.

Okay. I can’t use Zappos again.

Give us another one.

They are great. Okay. I touched on Dulux Paints. I’ve worked with them over the years. If you probably won’t thank me for saying this, if you ever have a problem, they just fix it. They are fantastic for that. Also do a lot of work with WD-40 as well. They are another brand, household name. But if there’s ever a problem, which there rarely ever is, the speed that those guys solve things is impressive.

All right, and the last one, one piece of advice for anyone wanting to create more human customer experiences.

Walk in their shoes, get them in the loop. If you can, get a customer advisory program up and running to help shape it. It’s amazing how we become a little bit blind to it and can’t see the wood for the trees. External perspective is super valuable. So if you’re not bringing in a customer advisory group, then get a consultant. In the same way, I would say, if you’re working on brand and you’ve been working on your brand for years, get someone like one of you guys in, because that fresh perspective helps you see the things that you think simple, that you’ve got widening your brain. That’s really straightforward. And they go, I didn’t understand that. Okay, we can take a step back. So get to the point.

I’m going to step in as well and answer that one and say, buy Si’s book on Customer Experience Thinking. And on that note, he could say that. He’s not paying me to say it as well, folks, but it is a cracking book. On that note, how do people get hold of it? How do people follow you and your work?

So books available, Amazon, all the bookstores, sielliot.com to find me, fabrics.agency for the consultancy, or just jump on LinkedIn, sielliot, double L, double T. Drop me a DM, loads of people do, and just go, I’ve got this slight problem. Where would I start? I love those ones. So fire that my way and just get into my network.

Awesome. Awesome. By the way, I love throughout the book, how you’ve got Si tracks and Simon says, or Si says, just I love how corny that is and how gorgeous that is. So well done to you for squeezing those in.

I’ve tried to avoid too many side tracks during this because we’ve run out of time.

We’ve been quite focused. Yeah. Well, there’s a lot to get through, and thanks so much for carving out the time. Really appreciate it. Your book’s amazing. Keep up the good work and keep in touch, and hopefully we’ll grab a Starbucks sometime.

Absolute pleasure.

Take care.