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		<title>Comment on [THE HANGOVER] The One Where We Discuss Playoff Chances And Longo’s Legs by s</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 19:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Career stats
OBP .322 vs .333
SLG .404 vs .442
OPS  .726 vs  .775
$1,000,000 vs $20,000,000

Yeah Don, you’re right what a failed replacement.  I agree that CC has had a great career, but there’s no way in hell that anyone with an IQ over 80 can say that DJ has been a failure replacement especially considering he makes 1/20th of CC’s salary.  Sure, CC is a better hitter, but for a leadoff batter, OBP is just as important.
 
Besides, I’m pretty sure DJ plays centerfield, so let’s compare his numbers this to the player he actually replaced.   Hmmm, who was that again?

Hamilton would have NEVER done anything at Tampa Bay, except smoked crack and smack.  He woke up AFTER getting cut.  Him getting cut saved his career and most likely his life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Career stats<br />
OBP .322 vs .333<br />
SLG .404 vs .442<br />
OPS  .726 vs  .775<br />
$1,000,000 vs $20,000,000</p>
<p>Yeah Don, you’re right what a failed replacement.  I agree that CC has had a great career, but there’s no way in hell that anyone with an IQ over 80 can say that DJ has been a failure replacement especially considering he makes 1/20th of CC’s salary.  Sure, CC is a better hitter, but for a leadoff batter, OBP is just as important.</p>
<p>Besides, I’m pretty sure DJ plays centerfield, so let’s compare his numbers this to the player he actually replaced.   Hmmm, who was that again?</p>
<p>Hamilton would have NEVER done anything at Tampa Bay, except smoked crack and smack.  He woke up AFTER getting cut.  Him getting cut saved his career and most likely his life.</p>
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		<title>Comment on [THE HANGOVER] The One Where We Discuss Playoff Chances And Longo’s Legs by Dave L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 19:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes that was my &#039;one slight exception&#039; Beth.

And Kelly Johnson? What could that guy have done to make anyone boo him? Jeez.

If Kaz continues to revive his career and gets another start at the Trop one day he will get a very warm welcome, I for one am rooting for him to do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes that was my &#8216;one slight exception&#8217; Beth.</p>
<p>And Kelly Johnson? What could that guy have done to make anyone boo him? Jeez.</p>
<p>If Kaz continues to revive his career and gets another start at the Trop one day he will get a very warm welcome, I for one am rooting for him to do it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on [THE HANGOVER] The One Where We Discuss Playoff Chances And Longo’s Legs by Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 19:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only one I would have ever been tempted to boo was Pat Burrell. But I don&#039;t think he ever came back here with the Giants.

I thought the Jays fans were especially obnoxious when a pitch was aimed at Escobar&#039;s head and they cheered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only one I would have ever been tempted to boo was Pat Burrell. But I don&#8217;t think he ever came back here with the Giants.</p>
<p>I thought the Jays fans were especially obnoxious when a pitch was aimed at Escobar&#8217;s head and they cheered.</p>
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		<title>Comment on [THE HANGOVER] The One Where We Discuss Playoff Chances And Longo’s Legs by Dave L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 19:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never once said that we should keep BJ Upton after last year. I repeatedly said he was getting overpaid. Go back and check

We dont have you on the record on Josh, or Joe the Baptist as you weren&#039;t around then.

But you were here in 2011 saying we should have overpaid Crawford long term including $14M + for a lost year of 2011 and this year saying we should have matched overpaid Kepp who is still the worst player in baseball with a -1.4 WAR.

You hated BJ even when he was producing for us I willl give you that. Failed 2012 replacement Jennings at a 3.3 WAR a for  half a milllion.  vs CC @ $14M with a 0.5 WAR

If they ran the Rays one year the way you suggest, we would be doing a Marlins style fire sale within 2 years.

Don you are a masochist for repeatedly showing how truly ignorant you are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never once said that we should keep BJ Upton after last year. I repeatedly said he was getting overpaid. Go back and check</p>
<p>We dont have you on the record on Josh, or Joe the Baptist as you weren&#8217;t around then.</p>
<p>But you were here in 2011 saying we should have overpaid Crawford long term including $14M + for a lost year of 2011 and this year saying we should have matched overpaid Kepp who is still the worst player in baseball with a -1.4 WAR.</p>
<p>You hated BJ even when he was producing for us I willl give you that. Failed 2012 replacement Jennings at a 3.3 WAR a for  half a milllion.  vs CC @ $14M with a 0.5 WAR</p>
<p>If they ran the Rays one year the way you suggest, we would be doing a Marlins style fire sale within 2 years.</p>
<p>Don you are a masochist for repeatedly showing how truly ignorant you are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Postgame Shot Of Joe: Fernando Rodney Was Set Up To Fail by Dave L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 19:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you watch the replay Molina was set up to recieve the ball from Rodney on the outsiden edge  and low. Molina always gives a target of exactly where he wants the ball to go on most every pitch

He missed the spot entirely and grooved on as you said. Maddon, Hickey and Molina didnt call for a grooved FB and Rodney didnt try to throw it. He missed his spot its that simple. He and the entire bullpen have been missing spots all year.

If you are a closer like Rodney you dont pitch around people with two strikes intentionally. he tried to make a perfect pitch and missed it way inside.

With Buckners erratic wide strike zone any remotely decent pitch could have been called a strike last night.

Longo struck out on an at bat in which not one pitch entered the strike zone.

Last night baserunners were at a premium. Helli pitched a fantastic 8 innings allowing 2 runs.  Our relievers missed a few spots and we lost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you watch the replay Molina was set up to recieve the ball from Rodney on the outsiden edge  and low. Molina always gives a target of exactly where he wants the ball to go on most every pitch</p>
<p>He missed the spot entirely and grooved on as you said. Maddon, Hickey and Molina didnt call for a grooved FB and Rodney didnt try to throw it. He missed his spot its that simple. He and the entire bullpen have been missing spots all year.</p>
<p>If you are a closer like Rodney you dont pitch around people with two strikes intentionally. he tried to make a perfect pitch and missed it way inside.</p>
<p>With Buckners erratic wide strike zone any remotely decent pitch could have been called a strike last night.</p>
<p>Longo struck out on an at bat in which not one pitch entered the strike zone.</p>
<p>Last night baserunners were at a premium. Helli pitched a fantastic 8 innings allowing 2 runs.  Our relievers missed a few spots and we lost.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Postgame Shot Of Joe: Fernando Rodney Was Set Up To Fail by Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 18:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Smith - that&#039;s actually not true statistically. You could flip a coin and get heads 99 times in a row and then next flip is still going to be 50/50. You are not due tails just because you got heads 99 times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Smith &#8211; that&#8217;s actually not true statistically. You could flip a coin and get heads 99 times in a row and then next flip is still going to be 50/50. You are not due tails just because you got heads 99 times.</p>
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		<title>Comment on [THE HANGOVER] The One Where We Discuss Playoff Chances And Longo’s Legs by Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 18:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your Mixed up, Dave L. is the &quot;We&#039;re really going to miss BJ upton&quot; man, I&#039;ve never said a good thing about his hitting ability in my
 life,  ...CC is a LIFETIME .300 hitter, the only one the Rays will ever have.... Run? He can out run ANYONE on Rays even his failed replacement Jennings......Hamilton couldn&#039;t get Crack in Texas?, yet became the BEST hitter in Baseball even though given away by genius Boy Friedman for Min. $25,000
You didn&#039;t get one thing right Son.... but keep trying...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your Mixed up, Dave L. is the &#8220;We&#8217;re really going to miss BJ upton&#8221; man, I&#8217;ve never said a good thing about his hitting ability in my<br />
 life,  &#8230;CC is a LIFETIME .300 hitter, the only one the Rays will ever have&#8230;. Run? He can out run ANYONE on Rays even his failed replacement Jennings&#8230;&#8230;Hamilton couldn&#8217;t get Crack in Texas?, yet became the BEST hitter in Baseball even though given away by genius Boy Friedman for Min. $25,000<br />
You didn&#8217;t get one thing right Son&#8230;. but keep trying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Postgame Shot Of Joe: Fernando Rodney Was Set Up To Fail by Gus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 18:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing we know for sure -- on a 3-2 count, Rodney should not have grooved that one into Bautista.  Better there to make him chase or have him walk, then to throw a very hittable pitch where Bautista is very effective.  

I have less trouble with the 10th inning at bat -- I never like walking the bases loaded and he had him down 0-2.  Maybe the waste pitch has to be a little more wasteful, but Bautista went outside the zone to hit it.  Credit to him. 

Thhe refusal to come up with better plans to deal with red-hot sluggers during the course of a series or a game is very frustrating.   Why they kept pitching to Davis last week is still beyond me.   But if you do pitch to him, try something different.  Rays needs to make some adjustments there.   Pitchers&#039; results have been hurt by the coaching in my view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing we know for sure &#8212; on a 3-2 count, Rodney should not have grooved that one into Bautista.  Better there to make him chase or have him walk, then to throw a very hittable pitch where Bautista is very effective.  </p>
<p>I have less trouble with the 10th inning at bat &#8212; I never like walking the bases loaded and he had him down 0-2.  Maybe the waste pitch has to be a little more wasteful, but Bautista went outside the zone to hit it.  Credit to him. </p>
<p>Thhe refusal to come up with better plans to deal with red-hot sluggers during the course of a series or a game is very frustrating.   Why they kept pitching to Davis last week is still beyond me.   But if you do pitch to him, try something different.  Rays needs to make some adjustments there.   Pitchers&#8217; results have been hurt by the coaching in my view.</p>
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		<title>Comment on [THE HANGOVER] The One Where We Discuss Playoff Chances And Longo’s Legs by Dave L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 18:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think its a testament to Rays management and fans that most all ex-Rays from the Post DRay era don&#039;t get booed and heckled at the Trop. Even the mediocrities are remembered fondly and always get a smattering of respectful cheers. There are random hecklers everywhere of course. Every team has its Don fans.

Part of it is from the fact that no one was ever overpaid for a long term deal with one slight exception of course.

And you don&#039;t hear ex-players hating on thier time here.  All seem to feel they were treated fairly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its a testament to Rays management and fans that most all ex-Rays from the Post DRay era don&#8217;t get booed and heckled at the Trop. Even the mediocrities are remembered fondly and always get a smattering of respectful cheers. There are random hecklers everywhere of course. Every team has its Don fans.</p>
<p>Part of it is from the fact that no one was ever overpaid for a long term deal with one slight exception of course.</p>
<p>And you don&#8217;t hear ex-players hating on thier time here.  All seem to feel they were treated fairly.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Dave L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 17:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In late game losses, this hindsight bullpen management is really for simpleton baseball fans. To categorically say manager SHOULD have done &quot;X&quot; instead is just silly.

Who knows what would have been the outcome?

But one thing is certain if the manager had done &quot;X&quot; instead, and it failed, those same hindsight bullpen managers would be OUTRAGED that that stupid manager didn&#039;t do &quot;Y&quot;

Its all so easy in hindsight to those &quot;experts&quot; who know our pen better than a management group with a proven track record of success.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In late game losses, this hindsight bullpen management is really for simpleton baseball fans. To categorically say manager SHOULD have done &#8220;X&#8221; instead is just silly.</p>
<p>Who knows what would have been the outcome?</p>
<p>But one thing is certain if the manager had done &#8220;X&#8221; instead, and it failed, those same hindsight bullpen managers would be OUTRAGED that that stupid manager didn&#8217;t do &#8220;Y&#8221;</p>
<p>Its all so easy in hindsight to those &#8220;experts&#8221; who know our pen better than a management group with a proven track record of success.</p>
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