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		<title>Do Moral Intuitions Change in Different Situations?</title>
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In response the Jonathan Haidt&#8217;s comment on Bryan&#8217;s post:
One of my biggest questions about Haidt&#8217;s work: are people&#8217;s moral intuitions consistent across different situations?
We know that behavior is often not generalized across situations. i.e. interventions in children&#8217;s homes/families have little or no effect on their behavior at school.
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<p>In response the Jonathan Haidt&#8217;s <a href="http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2010/03/haidt_responds.html">comment</a> on Bryan&#8217;s post:</p>
<p>One of my biggest questions about Haidt&#8217;s work: are people&#8217;s moral intuitions consistent across different situations?</p>
<p>We know that behavior is often not generalized across situations. i.e. interventions in children&#8217;s homes/families have little or no effect on their behavior at school.</p>
<p>I wonder if survey choices distinguishing between the private and public realms would yield very different weightings in different groups.</p>
<p>For instance: if we looked at honesty/truthfulness (a realm I very much wish that Haidt would explore&#8211;not just &#8220;authenticity&#8221; or integrity), would we find that Conservatives value it highly (more than Liberals?) in private, especially face-to-face, dealings, but downgrade it significantly in public dealings where groups are interacting&#8211;notably in public debate&#8211;situations where group loyalty would overwhelm it?</p>
<p>This in general raises the thorny issue of interactions between the realms, an issue that promises to do for Haidt&#8217;s work what genetic interactions and epigenetics have done in genetics: make it extraordinarily complex (and interesting).</p>
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		<title>Just to Be Really Clear: Why I Hate Avatar</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonathan Haidt asks on his blog:
&#8220;Can anyone understand Avatar who lacks all intuitions of purity/sanctity?&#8221;
He&#8217;s talking about the sanctity of nature, and of spirituality, as against corporate, consumerist, and militarist values.
My answer is &#8220;Yes.&#8221;
I (a devoted liberal with a &#8220;Liberal Purity&#8221; score of 1.0&#8211;compared to Libs&#8217; 2.7 and Cons&#8217; 2.1) understand it as a brilliantly [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan Haidt asks on his <a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/2010/02/in-search-of-liberal-purity/">blog</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Can anyone understand Avatar who lacks all intuitions of purity/sanctity?&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s talking about the sanctity of nature, and of spirituality, as against corporate, consumerist, and militarist values.</p>
<p>My answer is &#8220;Yes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I (a devoted liberal with a &#8220;Liberal Purity&#8221; score of 1.0&#8211;compared to Libs&#8217; 2.7 and Cons&#8217; 2.1) understand it as a brilliantly Machiavellian corporate vehicle to extract cash from those souls who embrace that purist intuition &#8212; and from the other groups that are so successfully, simultaneously, pandered to:</p>
<p>1. America haters worldwide who love watching military/corporate America get its ass kicked;</p>
<p>2. Uneducated militarists (who nevertheless love their mommies), and who want to believe that only their like can save the world;</p>
<p>3. Those with contempt for pointy-headed academics who can&#8217;t get anything done on their own (at least they&#8217;re not depicted as bad &#8212; just ineffectual); and</p>
<p>4. Teenage boys who think they&#8217;re going to be the next Luke Skywalker, Neo, or Jake Sully: The One.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s something for everyone! (Except, yes, Mr. Burns and Colonel Killgore.)</p>
<p>And while extracting that cash, insidiously propagandizing all those groups for the superiority of #2.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s beautifully produced. But re-read <em>The Republic</em> (and <em>The Prince</em>) &#8212; that&#8217;s the whole point.</p>
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		<title>Is Honesty a Conservative Moral Value?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mean cap-C Conservative. Do Conservatives and Republicans value honesty?
I ask in the context of Jonathan Haidt&#8217;s research into moral spheres, and which spheres are important to different political groups. (Blogged here and here.)
In response to Haidt&#8217;s $1,000 challenge for people to come up with additions to his five spheres, Tim Dean proposes the one [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean cap-C Conservative. Do Conservatives and Republicans value honesty?</p>
<p>I ask in the context of Jonathan Haidt&#8217;s research into moral spheres, and which spheres are important to different political groups. (Blogged <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/pinker-on-morality-libs-and-cons.html">here</a> and <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/libertarians-republicans-and-democrats-new-findings-on-morality-empathy-and-sympathy.html">here</a>.)</p>
<p>In response to Haidt&#8217;s <a href="http://faculty.virginia.edu/haidtlab/mft/index.php?t=challenges">$1,000 challenge</a> for people to come up with additions to his five spheres, Tim Dean <a href="http://ockhamsbeard.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/a-sixth-moral-foundation/">proposes</a> the one that also came immediately to my mind when I first saw the challenge: truth/honesty.</p>
<p>&#8220;You should tell the truth&#8221; is obviously a widespread or perhaps universal moral intuition. (Though of course it&#8217;s not categorical&#8211;none of these intuitions is.) And it&#8217;s easy to understand how that predilection would have evolved.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if truth/honesty merits a place in Haidt&#8217;s pantheon &#8212; there are complicated issues of interacting and overlapping moral spheres, touched on below. But I am curious about the same thing Tim Dean is:</p>
<blockquote><p>Another interesting test would be to see how self declared liberals and conservatives respond to issues of truth/honesty. My guess would be that conservatives would rate truth/honesty as being more important than liberals.</p></blockquote>
<p>My intuition: Conservatives would be shown to rank honesty differently depending on the context of the situation.</p>
<p>• In private, direct, and especially face-to-face situations, I think there&#8217;s a 50% probability that Tim is right, that conservatives would care more about honesty than liberals. Significantly more? Very low odds, I think.</p>
<p>• In the public realm &#8212; especially the realm of public debate &#8212; I think they would be shown to rank honesty very low relative to other spheres, especially group loyalty.</p>
<p>I would suggest that this is a result of conservatives&#8217; greater concern for group loyalty. When the context is groups &#8212; promoting them, defending them &#8212; both the truth and the fairness realms are downgraded to the benefit of the loyalty realm. In a further (meta) downgrading of honesty, they would be expected to give lip service to honesty while failing to practice it. Think: &#8220;fair and balanced.&#8221;</p>
<p>This highlights the problematic nature of Haidt&#8217;s realms &#8212; the interactions between those realms &#8212; and the need for research that teases out those interactions. It also highlights the need to distinguish different groups&#8217; moral weightings in different contexts.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, those necessities would/will turn Haidt&#8217;s fairly easy-to-understand model into a far more complex field of study &#8212; much as genetic interactions and epigenetics have done to genetics.</p>
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		<title>Libertarians, Republicans, and Democrats: New Findings on Morality, Empathy, and Sympathy</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will Wilkinson returns me to a subject of fascination to me &#8212; the different moral weightings employed by Republicans and Democrats &#8212; and points out new findings about the moral weightings of Libertarians.
To recap a previous post on research by Jonathan Haidt, as recounted in an article by Steven Pinker:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Wilkinson returns me to a subject of fascination to me &#8212; the different moral weightings employed by Republicans and Democrats &#8212; and points out new findings about the moral weightings of Libertarians.</p>
<p>To recap a previous <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/pinker-on-morality-libs-and-cons.html">post</a> on research by Jonathan Haidt, as recounted in an article by Steven Pinker:</p>
<p><strong>Republicans care equally about five spheres of morality: avoiding harm, fairness, group loyalty, respect for authority, and purity.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Democrats mostly care about only two: avoiding harm and fairness.</strong></p>
<p>(I point out in that post that the Democrats&#8217; two favorites basically characterize the gold standard of morality: The Golden Rule. Three of the Republicans&#8217; favored tenets have nothing to do with &#8212; are often or mostly antithetical to &#8212; that rule.)</p>
<p>Now Haidt&#8217;s latest research gives us insights into <strong>Libertarians: they care less about all five.</strong> Will shares it in his <a href="http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2010/03/11/libertarian-moral-psychology">post</a>, and Haidt adds even more in a <a href="http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2010/03/11/libertarian-moral-psychology/#comment-39362650">comment</a>.</p>
<p>Will characterizes these findings by saying <strong>&#8220;libertarians are liberals who like markets.&#8221;</strong> I took him to task for his best-possible-light characterization, saying <strong>&#8220;A libertarian is a liberal without compassion or empathy.&#8221;</strong> <strong>Will quite rightly slapped me down:</strong> &#8220;I think Jon would insist that &#8216;less&#8217; means something very different from &#8216;without.&#8217;&#8221; To which I &#8212; chastened &#8212; immediately agreed.</p>
<p><strong>But the &#8220;lesser&#8221; fact remains</strong>&#8211;supported in spades by Haidt&#8217;s latest work, sneak-peeked in his comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>Libertarians look much more like liberals than like conservatives on most measures, EXCEPT <strong>those that have anything to do with compassion</strong>, on which <strong>libertarians are lower than liberals AND conservatives</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>But here&#8217;s where it gets even more interesting (for me at least). A commenter suggests that &#8220;libertarianism essentially amounts to is the political expression of autism.&#8221; Viewed with best-light beneficience, this is presumably not a pejorative statement but an insight into the autistic cognitive style and its emphasis on rationalism over empathy.</p>
<p>Will responds by suggesting &#8220;you should check out <strong>Tyler Cowen&#8217;s chapter on &#8216;autistic politics&#8217; in his book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Create-Your-Own-Economy-Prosperity/dp/0525951237"><em>Create Your Own Economy</em></a>.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Now it just so happens that <strong>that book was open on my desk at the time</strong>, open to that very chapter. This because I just referred to it in a <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/robin-hansons-reply-to-the-luddites.html">post</a> the other day. (Quite embarassingly, in fact.)</p>
<p>That book, as I said, is something of <strong>a paean to the autistic cognitive style</strong>, and that chapter suggests that the world would be a better place&#8211;there would be less wars, in particular&#8211;if we had more people thinking in that style.</p>
<p>By invoking Tyler&#8217;s book Will is essentially importing Tyler&#8217;s arguments into the present discussion. So it might serve to directly import some of what Tyler says in the referenced chapter &#8212; here with some comments in reply. (I&#8217;ve cherry-picked these as springboards for the ensuing discussion. If you want more you can buy the damn book yourself, like I did.) <strong>You can skip this section </strong>if you want to jump to the meat of the argument.</p>
<blockquote><p>There is good evidence that people along the autism spectrum are in some measurable ways more objective than non-autistics.</p></blockquote>
<p>This &#8220;in some ways&#8221; is I think crucial. It reveals some confusion about one rather paradoxical aspect of the autistic cognitive style: while autistics and some autistic-ish types tend to perceive the world in a &#8220;rawer,&#8221; less-mentally-mediated form (viz, Temple Grandin&#8217;s ability to notice bare facts about a stockyard environment that others miss, and&#8211;courtesy of Tyler&#8217;s book&#8211;Dugdate Stewart&#8217;s characterization of Adam Smith as having &#8220;a remarkably accurate memory for &#8216;trifling particulars.&#8217;&#8221;), there is also a predilection for abstracted structures and rule-based systems, systems that are far removed from those immediate perceptions. Unlike the perceptions, these systems cannot make any <em>a priori</em> claim to &#8220;objectivity.&#8221;</p>
<p>On the offensively ridiculous and adolescent notion of &#8220;objectivism,&#8221; I can only point <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/to-claim-objectivism-at-20-is-predictable-to-claim-objectivism-at-60-is-plain-idiocy.html">here</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Autistics are attracted to simple and straightforward codes of ethics, applied universally to all human beings.</p></blockquote>
<p>The implied approbation might be misplaced. Vis-a-vis &#8220;<em>a priori</em>,&#8221; above, there is nothing to demonstrate that these simplistic codes are more efficacious, or preferable, aside from the usual cop-out &#8220;common sense&#8221; defense.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hayek argued that a rich and largely unplanned order can blossom when society is governed by a relatively small set of abstract rules, and, ideally, a constitution; you don&#8217;t have to share Hayek&#8217;s libertarian and conservative version of this blend to find this an appealing vision.</p></blockquote>
<p>I would suggest that you do have to do so if you want to carry this maxim to an extreme logical conclusion.</p>
<blockquote><p>Different kinds of human minds often have difficulty appreciating each other&#8217;s virtues, so social arrangements, and personal individual judgments, should be robust to this fact. That is still an argument for social and economic decentralization.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t see a necessary connection between these two statements. There is some presumption suggesting that the latter follows from the former, but I have no idea what that presumption is. It&#8217;s easy to come up with reasonable arguments to the contrary.</p>
<blockquote><p>What has gone wrong in many of the non-free societiies in today&#8217;s world is a lack of adherence to abstract rules of behavior and a lack of understanding of such rules as benefiical abstract mechanisms.</p></blockquote>
<p>Putting aside my knee-jerk annoyance at this kind of &#8220;kids these days&#8221; class of pontificating: Tyler notably does <em>not</em> suggest that this shortage of autistic-style thinking is what has gone wrong in free societies such as, say, Western Europe.</p>
<p>But he doesn&#8217;t take long to imply it:</p>
<blockquote><p>A list of the most successful societies in the world usually would include the United Kingdom, the Nordic countries, Japan, the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not surprising to find most of the countries of Western Europe missing from this list, even though they are undeniably among &#8220;the most successful societies in the world.&#8221; (I mean really: <em>Germany</em>?)</p>
<p>Tyler ends the chapter by pointing to Russia as his negative example. It serves nicely as a phony proxy for the Western European countries that otherwise go so conspicuously unmentioned.</p>
<p>It is revealing that in a book centered around autistic characteristics, &#8220;empathy&#8221; does not appear in the index, and the only instance of &#8220;sympathy&#8221; refers to his two-page discussion of Adam Smith as possibly being on the autistic spectrum. As Tyler points out, the book Smith was most proud of was his <a href="&quot;Marmaduke” &quot;went to&quot; OR &quot;back from&quot; OR saw"><em>Theory of Moral Sentiments</em></a> &#8212; which book builds a spectacular abstract structure that &#8220;starts with the idea of sympathy.&#8221; It is in fact obsessed with the idea &#8212; the first two chapter titles take sympathy as their subject, and the word appears 182 times in the work. Wrestling with angels?</p>
<p><strong>So what does this all have to do with &#8220;lesser empathy&#8221; and markets?</strong> Haidt speculates that they are related in the way that Will implies:</p>
<blockquote><p>The lower levels of compassion, and higher levels of need for cognition and tendency to &#8220;systemize&#8221; rather than empathize, are probably related to the love of markets.</p></blockquote>
<p>This makes sense to me as well. The abstract concept of markets holds more attraction for the autistic cognitive style than does empathy.</p>
<p>Which leads me to ask several admittedly rhetorical questions:</p>
<p>Does this fondness for abstractions explain Libertarians&#8217; enthusiasm for a form of government based on abstract beliefs that is unexampled among large, thriving, prosperous countries on this planet &#8212; an enthusiasm that continues even though no country operating on Libertarian principles has emerged, much less surged ahead of the others?</p>
<p>Does it &#8212; combined with the lesser levels of empathy that Haidt demonstrates &#8212; explain the movement&#8217;s aversion to redistribution, even though every large, thriving, prosperous country engages in massive doses of redistribution? (There are no exceptions.)</p>
<p>Does it explain the continued predictions of disaster for those countries that the more extreme Libertarians have been warning us of for so long &#8212; even though those sky-is-falling scenarios have not occurred? (Over the long run &#8212; as libertarians will happily point out when it serves their rhetorical turns &#8212; things keep getting better.)</p>
<p>Does it, in short, explain an ideology that can only be described as utopian (lacking in any real-world exemplars), but that continues even though its leading proponents are painfully aware of the long, sad history of such utopian belief systems?</p>
<p>Do the lesser quantities of empathy that characterize the autistic and libertarian cognitive and moral styles (almost complete absence, in extreme case) result in an almost autistic mind-blindness to the reality of successful societies and economies: that all those societies and economies employ policies rooted in empathy, policies that history has demonstrated to be the most economically efficient?</p>
<p>Demonstrably, because those <em>are</em> the societies that have thrived and prospered.</p>
<p>To ask it in terms of abstract theories: since empathy is clearly at the heart of humans&#8217; ability to cooperate, and since humans&#8217; ability to cooperate is what has put us at the top of the food chain (competition just makes that cooperation more efficient, overall), would it be surprising if policies that systematize and efficiently channel that empathy were also successful?</p>
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		<title>Recessions Make Americans Lazy!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[People are obviously unemployed because they want to be.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are obviously unemployed because they <em>want </em>to be.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or: The Seven Habits of Highly Efficient Economies
Republican economic policies are widely perceived (especially by Republicans) as being pro-growth and pro-prosperity, even though All. The. Evidence. Demonstrates. The. Opposite. (How dare they call themselves &#8220;conservatives&#8221;?) Even the rich get richer under Democrats &#8212; though not at the expense of the poor and the middle class.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or: <em>The Seven Habits of Highly Efficient Economies</em></p>
<p>Republican economic policies are widely perceived (especially by Republicans) as being pro-growth and pro-prosperity, even though <a href="http://www.google.com/search?num=100&amp;hl=en&amp;rlz=1B7GGLL_enUS365US365&amp;q=site%3Awww.angrybearblog.com+cactus+democrat+republican&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=">All</a>. <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/democrats-are-profligate-spendthrifts-oh-wait.html">The</a>. <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/pro-growth-republicans-get-real.html">Evidence</a>. <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/pro-growth-republicans-revisited.html">Demonstrates</a>. <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/where-did-the-deficit-come-from-conservatives-of-course.html">The</a>. <a href="../pro-growth-republicans-debunked-again-some-more.html">Opposite</a>. (How <em>dare</em> they call themselves &#8220;conservatives&#8221;?) Even the rich get richer under Democrats &#8212; though not at the expense of the poor and the middle class.</p>
<p>Instead of pointing out that <strong>Democrats deliver more prosperity and less debt</strong>, Democrats&#8217; main response is <strong>&#8220;Yeah, but&#8230;uh&#8230;Equality!&#8221;</strong> To which many Americans respond by reaching for the remote control.</p>
<p>If &#8212; as all the pundits proclaim &#8212; <strong>Democrats need a coherent, unifying, and compelling narrative</strong> (like the profoundly effective though sadly <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Politics-Reagan-Revolution-Failed/dp/0060155604/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0">false</a> narrative that is Reaganomics), how about this:</p>
<p><strong>The Party of Prosperity</strong></p>
<p>Democrats deliver more prosperity. They deliver it to more people. And they do it without busting the budget.</p>
<p>How do they achieve all that? Through the miracles of economic efficiency&#8211;<strong>policies that make the markets actually work &#8212; and work better &#8212; for the greater prosperity of all</strong> (including the rich).</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Wisdom of the Crowds.</strong> Democrats&#8217; dispersed government spending &#8212; education, health care, infrastructure, and social support &#8212; puts money (hence power) in the hands of individuals, instead of delivering concentrated streams to big entities like defense and business. Those individuals&#8217; free choices on where to spend the money allocate resources where they&#8217;re needed &#8212; to truly productive industries that deliver goods people actually want.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Preventing Government &#8220;Capture.&#8221; </strong>Money that goes to millions of individuals is much less subject to &#8220;capture&#8221; by powerful players, so it is much less likely to be used to then &#8220;capture&#8221; government via political donations, sweetheart deals, and crony capitalism.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Labor Market Flexibility. </strong>When people feel confident that they and their families won&#8217;t end up on the streets &#8212; they know that their children will have health care, a good education, and a decent safety net if the worst happens &#8212; they feel free to move to a different job that better fits their talents &#8212; better allocating labor resources. &#8220;Labor market flexibility&#8221; often suggests the freedom (of employers) to hire and fire, but the freedom of hundreds of millions of employees is far more profound, economically.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Freedom to Innovate. </strong>Individuals who are standing on that social springboard that Democratic policies provide &#8212; who have that platform beneath them &#8212; can do more than just shift jobs. They have the freedom to strike out on their own and develop the kind of innovative, entrepreneurial ventures that are the true engine of long-term growth and prosperity (and personal freedom and satisfaction)&#8211;without worrying that their children will suffer if the risk goes wrong. Give ten, twenty, or thirty million more Americans a place to stand, and they&#8217;ll move the world.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Profitable Investments in Long-Term Growth. </strong>From education to infrastructure to scientific research, Democratic priorities deliver money to projects that the free market doesn&#8217;t support on its own, and that have been demonstrated to pay off many times over in widespread public prosperity.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Power to the Producers. </strong>The dispersal of income and wealth under Democratic policies provides the widespread demand (read: sales) that producers need to succeed, to expand, and to take risks on innovative new endeavors. Rather than assuming that government knows best and giving money directly to businesses, Democratic policies trust the markets to direct that money to the most productive producers.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Fiscal Prudence. </strong>True conservatives pay their bills. From the 35 years of declining debt after World War II (until 1982) to the years of budget surpluses and declining debt under Bill Clinton, Democratic policies demonstrate which party deserves the name &#8220;fiscal conservatives.&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Labor and Trade Efficiencies.</strong> (This is an update &#8212; I can&#8217;t resist adding a #8.) The social support programs that Democrats champion &#8212; if they truly provide an adequate level of support &#8212; give policy makers much more freedom to put in place what are otherwise draconian, but efficient, trade and labor policies. If everyone is guaranteed a decent wage by an excellent program like the Earned Income Tax Credit, we have less need for the economically constricting effects of unions and protectionism.</p>
<p>(These aren&#8217;t actually &#8220;The&#8221; seven reasons that Democratic policies are more efficient. There are many others. But the definite article made for a catchier post title.)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re noticing that these talking points capture and co-opt the Republicans&#8217; very own most cherished talking points&#8230;well yeah. (As my teenage daughter would say, &#8220;No duh.&#8221;) There&#8217;s a darned good dose of rhetorical jiu-jitsu at play here. It&#8217;s downright Machiavellian in its appeal to &#8220;Reagan Democrats,&#8221; Independents, and Republicans who are disaffected by their party&#8217;s <a href="http://home.att.net/~rdavis2/debt10.jpg">thirty years of profligacy, malfeasance, and hypocricy</a>.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t make it any less true. (If you don&#8217;t believe that it&#8217;s true, return to the first sentence of this post and start clicking links. Then come talk to me.)</p>
<p>And Democrats, in all their fecklessness &#8212; Obama in particular &#8212; could use a good helping of Machiavel.</p>
<p>Our president took all sorts of heat from his base during the campaign when he said that <strong>&#8220;Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.&#8221;</strong> But he was profoundly correct. FDR did as well. And their means were decidedly Machiavellian. (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Politics-Reagan-Revolution-Failed/dp/0060155604/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0">Here</a> repeating the David Stockman link from above.)</p>
<p>Now Obama&#8217;s got his chance to change the trajectory. And there&#8217;s a narrative that can effect that change.</p>
<p>The Party of Prudence. The Party of Prosperity.</p>
<p>Use it.</p>
<p>** At risk of ending this post on a wild tangent, I can&#8217;t resist citing the passage I was thinking about in writing those last two words. In M*A*S*H (the movie) there&#8217;s a football game in which one of the M*A*SH team&#8217;s players is being harassed by an opponent. Here&#8217;s the dialog:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bastard 88 called me a coon.<br />
Called you a what?<br />
Coon.<br />
OK, that&#8217;s an old pro trick to get you thrown out of the ball game. Why don&#8217;t you do the same thing to him?<br />
What, call him a coon?<br />
No, the boys in camp used to talk about his sister. Her name was Gladys. Use it!</p></blockquote>
<p>Without revealing what (hilariously) ensues, I&#8217;ll just say: it worked.</p>
<p>My new favorite title for this post: &#8220;Gladys!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Can Rich People Provide all the Necessary Demand?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[If an increasing number of people in America are not capable of doing economically viable work (because they don&#8217;t have the &#8220;knowledge skills&#8221; or the wherewithal to acquire them)&#8211;and as a result can&#8217;t contribute to the log-rolling exercise that is our economy by spending and providing demand for producers&#8211;is it a problem?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If an increasing number of people in America are not capable of doing economically viable work (because they don&#8217;t have the &#8220;knowledge skills&#8221; or the wherewithal to acquire them)&#8211;and as a result can&#8217;t contribute to the log-rolling exercise that is our economy by spending and providing demand for producers&#8211;is it a problem?</p>
<p>Can rich people do all the necessary spending to keep the log rolling? Will they?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a complicated question, but I wanted to get at least a simplistic look at the numbers. So I took a look at the BLS&#8217;s <a href="http://www.bls.gov/cex/csxann07.pdf"><em>Consumer Expenditures in 2007</em></a> (PDF), the latest year available (published April 2009), and threw the numbers into a spreadsheet, which you can dowload <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Expenditures-by-income.xls">here</a> (XLS).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one result. To maintain demand:</p>
<table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td width="317">If spending by the bottom 69% of households (&lt;$70K   income) drops by:</td>
<td width="42">10%</td>
<td width="42">20%</td>
<td width="42">30%</td>
</tr>
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<td width="317">The top 7% of households (&gt;$150K income) must increase   spending by:</td>
<td width="42">27%</td>
<td width="42">54%</td>
<td width="42">81%</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>In this particular example (&lt;$70K vs. &gt;$150K, year 2007), <strong>every 1% drop in low-end spending requires a 2.7% increase by high-end households</strong> to maintain the same level of demand from producers. (This is a function of the smaller number of households at the high end, ameliorated by the lower spending per household at the low end.)</p>
<p>Now obviously, if <em>income</em> is redistributed similarly, to the high end (as it has been so profoundly since 2001), it will also be concentrated similarly. So maybe that would suffice to effectuate those spending increases by the well off. But saying so with any certainty requires a model that it is beyond my means to produce.</p>
<p>That model would need to consider the following (related) questions:</p>
<p>• What is the relationship between income and spending at different income levels? How do each group&#8217;s utility curves (actually algorithms) respond to shifts in income?</p>
<p>• What about wealth, which is also a driver of spending? Higher incomes only slowly expand household wealth.</p>
<p>• What kind of lag times are we talking about? Will the well-off immediately ramp up their spending, or will they wait to build wealth, and make sure the income is a reliable stream?</p>
<p>• What about the investments that the well-off make with what they don&#8217;t spend? If producers receive those investments (which have to be paid back), is that as stimulative as sales revenues, which they get to keep?</p>
<p>Pondering these, all four seem to suggest that widely distributed spending (and income) are much more likely to maintain demand than spending by the well off.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been able to find empirical research that addresses this question in a satisfying manner. (Yes, lots of theory&#8230;) Anyone else?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve never posted about Judith Rich Harris, who undoubtedly ranks as at least a significant demigod in my personal pantheon.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve never posted about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Rich_Harris"><strong>Judith Rich Harris</strong></a>, who undoubtedly ranks as at least a significant demigod in my personal pantheon.</p>
<p>Judy&#8211;a largely uncredentialed indy in her house in suburban New Jersey&#8211;pretty much single-handedly obliterated the notion that parenting is what causes us to be fxxxed up, and that parents in fact have much direct impact at all on how their kids &#8220;turn out.&#8221; (This side of abuse or gross negligence.)</p>
<p>She completely altered the way psychologists look at human development, by pointing out that developmental studies that don&#8217;t control for the effects of genes (i.e. almost all of them, until recently) are simply&#8230;worthless. They tell us nothing.</p>
<p>Yeah: children whose parents are alcoholics are more likely to be alcoholics. Nature or nurture? If you don&#8217;t ask that question, you can&#8217;t say anything useful on the subject.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t detail it all here. Read this Malcom Gladwell <a href=" http://www.gladwell.com/1998/1998_08_17_a_harris.htm">piece</a> from the New Yorker (published just before her <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nurture-Assumption-Children-Revised-Updated/dp/1439101655/ref=tmm_pap_title_0">first book</a> came out), then run don&#8217;t walk to read her second book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/No-Two-Alike-Nature-Individuality/dp/0393059480"><em>No Two Alike</em></a>. It&#8217;s one of the half dozen books you absolutely have to read to understand how human beings work. Her arguments and explanations are crystalline in their lucidity&#8211;issue after issue, she lines &#8216;em up and knocks &#8216;em down. (No, she&#8217;s not perfect; but she&#8217;s stunningly good.)</p>
<p><strong>I have </strong><strong>two things to say about Judy&#8217;s work. </strong></p>
<p><strong>First,</strong> I want to echo and add to Steven Pinker&#8217;s wonderfully humane (and funny) comments* in the parenting chapter in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Blank-Slate-Modern-Denial-Nature/dp/0142003344/ref=tmm_pap_title_0"><em>The Blank Slate</em></a> (which chapter is based largely on Judy&#8217;s work).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll do it via my recent response to a friend&#8217;s email, asking what I thought about screen time (watching DVDs) for her delightful, precocious ten-year-old daughter. (Mine are 17 and 18.)</p>
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<p>My rule of thumb when making this kind of decision was always, &#8220;What effect will this have on my child on the day she graduates from college, or gets married?&#8221; (i.e., affect how she &#8220;turns out.&#8221;)</p>
<p>The answer, in almost every case, was &#8220;utterly imponderable&#8221; or &#8220;none.&#8221;</p>
<p>In that huge majority of cases, the next important questions are:</p>
<p>Will this thing contribute or detract from her having a joyous childhood? (The greatest gift a parent can give.)<br />
and<br />
Will this thing contribute or detract from us having a joyous family life?</p>
<p>Or perhaps even more important: will <em>my trying to control this thing</em> contribute or detract from the above?</p>
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<p>Her response over lunch: &#8220;Why didn&#8217;t you tell me this ten years ago?!&#8221;</p>
<p>Some parents do <em>not</em> feel so liberated. They feel depressed and defensive. I think it&#8217;s because they want to <em>matter.</em> My advice, FWIW: find joy in your children; find your &#8220;matter&#8221; elsewhere.</p>
<blockquote><p>* When many people hear these results, their first reaction is to<br />
say, “Oh, so you mean it doesn’t matter how I treat my kids?” Of<br />
course it matters! It matters for many reasons. One is that it’s<br />
never all right to abuse or neglect or belittle a child, because<br />
those are horrible things for a big strong person to do to a small<br />
helpless one that is their responsibility. Parenting is, above all, a<br />
moral obligation.</p>
<p>Also, let’s say I were to tell you that you don’t have the power<br />
to shape the personality of your spouse. <strong>Now, only a newlywed</strong><br />
<strong>believes that you can change the personality of your spouse.</strong><br />
Nonetheless, on hearing this truism, you’re unlikely to say, “Oh,<br />
so you’re saying it doesn’t matter how I treat my spouse?” It matters<br />
how you treat your spouse to the quality of your marriage,<br />
and so it matters how you treat your child to the quality of your<br />
relationship to your child.</p></blockquote>
<p>On consideration, I&#8217;m going to save my second comment for a later post. It&#8217;s a somewhat technical evolutionary discussion, and this post is already getting long.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Update: I am an idiot. (You could have found that out by asking my daughters.) Curt Gardner is nice enough to point out in the comments that &#8220;the book you link to is not Robin Hansen&#8217;s, but that of his GMU colleague Tyler Cowen.&#8221; I do get the two confused at times, this being a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Update: </strong>I am an idiot. (You could have found that out by asking my daughters.) Curt Gardner is nice enough to point out in the comments that &#8220;the book you link to is not Robin Hansen&#8217;s, but that of his GMU colleague Tyler Cowen.&#8221; I do get the two confused at times, this being a fine example. Having framed this post by characterizing myself, I&#8217;ll leave it at that.</p>
<p>Robin Hanson was nice enough to drop off a drive-by comment in response to a recent <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/are-machines-replacing-humans-or-am-i-a-luddite.html">post</a> of mine (responding to a <a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/03/econ-of-nano-ai.html">presentation</a> of his), a post that espoused my <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/why-prosperity-requires-a-welfare-state.html">Luddite Fantasy</a>. His comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>No we haven&#8217;t reached a flat plateau yet.  Only a small fraction of world income now goes to machines, and a flat part could easily trigger a faster growth mode.  No, redistribution is not required to maintain demand, and utility functions do not &#8220;flat-line.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>My initial response to this (rather curt and dismissive) reply was fairly natural&#8211;irritation. But I tried to think about it in the best light, assuming we were hearing from a busy person who didn&#8217;t have time to respond in detail to an admitted amateur&#8211;much less provide an education in basic economics to one who clearly (at least to Robin) had not acquired that education on his own.</p>
<p>But still, being from Missouri I was less than convinced by the unsupported denialism. So I went looking through Robin&#8217;s work to see if he anywhere provides empirical support for his assertions. (Including&#8211;without success&#8211;in his <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Create-Your-Own-Economy-Prosperity/dp/0525951237">book</a>, which is a paean to [his own self-described] &#8220;autistic cognitive style.&#8221; Yes, I bought it in hardcover, read it, and re-read sections.)</p>
<p>His second comment on the post (replying to my queries) pointed toward some evidence, though without actually providing it:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Less than 10%&#8221; [of world income now goes to {owners of} machines].</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t find any support in his work, but this is not an implausible number. In the U.S., only 15% of personal income is &#8220;receipts on assets,&#8221; and over the last 80 years it&#8217;s varied between 5 and 20%. (There was a long, steady rise from &#8216;44 to the mid &#8217;80s, after which it declined some then stayed relatively flat.) I do really wonder how his number is, or can be, calculated, however. For instance, workers presumably reap some of the benefits of machines in the workers&#8217; wages. How can this all be split out? (cf. multifactor productivity.) Where does his number come from?</p>
<p>In any case, while Robin seems to think this is a silver-bullet argument, it&#8217;s really something of an aside. His charts that we were talking about weren&#8217;t describing machines&#8217; share of income, but the growth in machines&#8217; abilities and the utility (to humans) of their output relative to humans&#8217; abilities. They may be tightly related, but the relationship&#8211;especially as it interacts with aggregate demand and the macroeconomy&#8211;is far from clear.</p>
<p>Perhaps Robin thinks that standard economic theory explains all that, and it need not be discussed.</p>
<p>Robin did touch on this area in a <a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/10/take-both-econ-tech-seriously.html">post</a> that I read quite carefully when it came out a while back, responding to a fellow Luddite&#8217;s self-published book and accompanying blog. One key paragraph from Robin&#8217;s post:</p>
<blockquote><p>Ford’s mass-market theory of production is nothing like standard economic theory.  Sure high income inequality might be ethically bad, and threaten political instability, but it does not at all threaten economic collapse – producers can focus on giving the rich what they want, and innovation and growth is just as feasible for elite products as for mass products.</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay, here he explicitly invokes &#8220;standard economic theory,&#8221; and he (perhaps understandably) does not feel the need to explain it&#8211;or question it. But the whole point of my assertions was that these beliefs merit serious questioning, in particular the assertion that &#8220;producers can focus on giving the rich what they want, and innovation and growth is just as feasible for elite products as for mass products.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because&#8211;and this is the central point that Robin rather mysteriously does <em>not</em> reply to&#8211;the cognitive ratcheting of knowledge societies seems to be putting an increasing number of people below the cognitive waterline where they can be productive contributors to, consumers of, and participants in, the economy. He seems remarkably (almost autistically) blind to the situation that so many find themselves in&#8211;those who (unlike Robin) are not blessed with an &#8220;autistic cognitive style.&#8221;</p>
<p>To address two more of Robin&#8217;s assertions:</p>
<blockquote><p>No, redistribution is not required to maintain demand</p></blockquote>
<p>My gentle readers will forgive me, I hope, if I repeat a question I&#8217;ve asked before: Why is it that every large, thriving, prosperous country&#8211;with no exceptions&#8211;engages in massive doses of redistribution? If libertarian principles are so efficient, why hasn&#8217;t a single country emerged that operates according to those principles, and surged ahead of all the rest? Could libertarianism be a utopian fantasy? We know how those have turned out over the centuries&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>utility functions do not &#8220;flat-line.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This seems to be asserting that a second or third Lamborghini has the same utility-per-dollar ratio as providing a comfortable home for one&#8217;s family. Is he just quibbling over the &#8220;flat-line&#8221; wording, when he knows that &#8220;flatter&#8221; is what&#8217;s being discussed? Is he tossing aside any insights at all from happiness research, and in fact from &#8220;standard economic theory&#8221;? His six words, while giving some impression of heat, shed little light.</p>
<p>Finally, I would ask Robin if he has a better explanation for <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/employmentrecessions.html">this</a> rather profound and accelerating trend. Based on everything I&#8217;ve been able to find, standard economic theory is at a loss to explain it.</p>
<p>After lengthy consideration, the impression I receive from Robin&#8217;s hands-over-ears, eyes-closed, humming-loudly reply is perhaps best encapsulated in two words: Undergoing Bias.</p>
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		<title>Is Swiss Health Care a Good Model for Ours?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While perusing Arnold Kling&#8217;s post for my previous, I came across the following, which simply cannot go unchallenged:
&#8230;why not try single-payer in one part of the country and radical deregulation in another? Switzerland, which is about the size of Maryland, has different health care systems in each of its 20-odd cantons, which are about the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While perusing Arnold Kling&#8217;s <a href="http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2010/01/why_the_us_is_u.html">post</a> for my previous, I came across the following, which simply cannot go unchallenged:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;why not try single-payer in one part of the country and radical deregulation in another? Switzerland, which is about the size of Maryland, has different health care systems in each of its 20-odd cantons, which are about the size of Maryland counties. Surely it must be possible to try different health care approaches in Texas and Massachusetts.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have no doubt that Arnold knows perfectly well (on some level of consciousness) the profound errors in these statements, assertions, and proposals. <strong>The Swiss health care system is <em>heavily regulated</em>.</strong> There are no cantons that are experimenting with &#8220;radical deregulation.&#8221;</p>
<p>To begin with, nobody in Switzerland gets turned down for insurance, or cut off when they get sick. All the rest (in some form or another) inevitably follows from that.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quick precis of the Swiss system that I found <a href="http://health.newamerica.net/blogposts/2009/worldview_switzerlands_success-16983">here</a>.</p>
<ul>
<li>All insurers that offer the mandatory basic plan need to register with the Swiss Federal Office of Public Health. The health insurance market is decentralized and operates at the canton level (there are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_of_Switzerland" target="_blank">26 cantons</a> and each can have up to three regions.)</li>
<li>There is no group coverage, coverage for dependents or employer sponsored insurance; all plans are purchased on a per capita basis.</li>
<li>Most people purchase additional supplementary coverage for services excluded from the basic package (dental coverage, for example). Often times, an insurance company will have a non-profit branch that offers the basic plan and a for-profit branch that offers private, supplementary insurance.</li>
<li>Basic plans have a minimum deductible and coinsurance requirements; enrollees may opt for a higher deductible and obtain a reduced premium. (There is a minimum deductible of $225 and maximum deductible of $2,125. Once the deductible has been met, enrollees pay a 10 percent coinsurance rate with an annual maximum of $595. Maternity care and several preventive services are excluded from the deductible.) Switzerland tends to have relatively high out-of-pocket expenditures.</li>
<li>Aside from some variations in deductibles; individual insurers can vary premiums only according to age group (0-18, 19-25, 26 and older).</li>
<li>Insurance companies are free to set the prices for individual policies, but the Federal Office of Social Insurance has the power to reduce the price.</li>
<li>There is a risk equalization system that redistributes premium revenue among insurers according to the age and sex of their enrollees. This helps insurers with high-cost risk pools.</li>
<li>The Swiss have the option to change insurers each year during the annual open-enrollment period.</li>
</ul>
<p>In many respects, it sounds surprisingly like&#8230;what we&#8217;re now trying to implement. If the ’Pubs had actually gotten involved constructively instead of posturing for the cameras, our plan would probably look even more like the Swiss one.</p>
<p>So what do you think, Arnold? Would that be a good thing? Do you think we can get there &#8220;incrementally&#8221;? When, exactly?</p>
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		<title>Want to Spread the Power? Spread the Wealth.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#8217;re forever hearing Republicans and conservatives saying that they want to put decision-making&#8211;political power&#8211;in the hands of states and localities. This post by Arnold Kling is a good example out of thousands. The reasoning is not crazy (though it is contestable):
Wisdom of the crowds. More people trying different policies results in succesful policies winning, hence [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re forever hearing Republicans and conservatives saying that they want to put decision-making&#8211;political power&#8211;in the hands of states and localities. <a href="http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2010/01/why_the_us_is_u.html">This</a> post by Arnold Kling is a good example out of thousands. The reasoning is not crazy (though it is contestable):</p>
<p><strong>Wisdom of the crowds.</strong> More people trying different policies results in succesful policies winning, hence better policies.</p>
<p><strong>Greater equality.</strong> Because power is less concentrated, there is less disparity between the very powerful and the less so.</p>
<p><strong>Less danger of government &#8220;capture.&#8221;</strong> Since government power is dispersed, it&#8217;s harder for corporations and other wealth concentrators to capture and control those governments.</p>
<p>But do the economic policies championed by Republicans and conservatives actually promote this dispersion of power? Are they actually promoting the principle that individual (market) choices, in aggregate, deliver the greater good? Not so much.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume for the moment that money is power. (Because&#8230;it is.) Which end of the U.S. political spectrum does more to disperse money into the hands of individuals, whose collective choices will (theoretically) allocate resources efficiently and make everyone better off?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the mantra that right-wingers proclaim. But do they walk the economic walk?</p>
<p>I would suggest that lefties think government spending should be more widely dispersed (i.e. more to individuals than to entities). Hence: money to public infrastructure, health care, education, and direct transfers to individuals, rather than defense and business.</p>
<p>The streams that lefties promote are less prone to capture because they&#8217;re not delivered in large blocks to singular entities. It&#8217;s a matter of degree, of course&#8211;infrastructure versus food stamps. But nobody can argue that defense spending is less prone to capture than welfare spending.</p>
<p>Righties believe that that dispersion (of money hence power) is achieved through market mechanisms, if government doesn&#8217;t create monopolies and other concentrations.</p>
<p>Lefties point out that that&#8217;s obviously not true: unfettered markets&#8211;especially given the spectacular efficiency of corporate capitalism&#8211;inevitably pump money (and power) to the top, which is inevitably used to capture government.</p>
<p>Lefties also believe that government is the only entity powerful enough to capture back the money (hence power), and disperse it.</p>
<p>Most lefties make these arguments on persuasive moral grounds, but in my view they are even better supported&#8211;in terms of rhetoric that will convince the other side, and independents&#8211;by the evidence for greater efficiency, utilitarianism, bigger pie, all boats rise, all that.</p>
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		<title>Are Machines Replacing Humans? Or: Am I a Luddite?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My gentle readers will undoubtedly remember a question I&#8217;ve asked repeatedly: as technology steadily increases productivity, will we (have we) come to a point where a large portion of workers can&#8217;t do &#8220;valuable&#8221; enough work to earn a decent living? Where only the technologically adept, and owners of technology, &#8220;merit&#8221; liveable earnings?
My thinking is not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gentle readers will undoubtedly remember a question I&#8217;ve asked <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/why-prosperity-requires-a-welfare-state.html">repeatedly</a>: as technology steadily increases productivity, will we (have we) come to a point where a large portion of workers can&#8217;t do &#8220;valuable&#8221; enough work to earn a decent living? Where only the technologically adept, and owners of technology, &#8220;merit&#8221; liveable earnings?</p>
<p>My thinking is not particularly original. As Robin Hanson points out in the presentation I&#8217;m about to discuss, it goes back at least to David Ricardo. who went after this subject quite rigorously in 1821 (<em>The Principles of Political Economy and Taxation</em>, 3rd Edition).</p>
<p>Many will say (not without grounds) that my thinking is simplistic, amateurish, and silly. The most powerful argument that my concerns are groundless or stupid: invoking history in the form of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite_fallacy">The Luddite Fallacy</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>If the Luddite fallacy were true we would all be out of work because productivity has been increasing for two centuries.<sup id="cite_ref-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite_fallacy#cite_note-1">*</a></sup></p></blockquote>
<p>If technology is making human labor less valuable, how do you explain the steady, seemingly inexorable rise in wages/earnings/GDP per capita (choose your measure) over the last century or two? (Yes&#8211;if you look globally&#8211;even over the last few decades.)</p>
<p>That, by my lights, is a bloody strong argument. How does one respond to it?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a question I&#8217;ve struggled with mightily, not only to protect my pet theories but because of a feeling that something was missing. And I think I&#8217;ve found an answer in <a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/bio">Robin Hanson</a>&#8217;s &#8220;Economics of Nanotech and AI&#8221; <a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/03/econ-of-nano-ai.html">presentation</a> at the Foresight 2010 conference. (Liberal-bashers take note: Robin is a quite devoted if decidedly idiosyncratic libertarian<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">&#8211;and one of the best thinkers thinking today, IMHO</span>.) If you&#8217;re a reader like me you&#8217;ll find much of the matter, more quickly, in Robin&#8217;s <em>IEEE Spectrum</em> article, &#8220;<a href="http://spectrum.ieee.org/robotics/robotics-software/economics-of-the-singularity/0">Economics Of The Singularity</a>&#8220;&#8211;though if you&#8217;re feeble-minded like me you&#8217;ll also need to view the presentation and the <a href="http://hanson.gmu.edu/ppt/Econ%20of%20AI%20n%20Nanotech.ppt">slides</a> (PowerPoint) to understand his insights.</p>
<p>This is probably old-hat to many who are better-versed than I. But it&#8217;s something of an aha! for me, and may be likewise for some of my readers.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the heart of his matter, a debate  economists have been having for centuries: <strong>do machines, does technology, <em>complement</em> (I would prefer &#8220;augment&#8221;) or <em>substitute </em>for (I would prefer &#8220;replace&#8221;) human labor?</strong> If all technology does is augment human labor&#8211;making each person more productive&#8211;that increased productivity is purely good and all boats rise (at least over the long term, though obviously with local disruptions, both temporal and geographic, that societies might want to address and ameliorate.) If technology <em>replaces</em> human labor, then some portion of the population, over time, will get squeezed out, with no opportunity to &#8220;earn&#8221; a share of the increased production. (And/or, wages for labor will decline.)</p>
<p>So which is it&#8211;does technology complement or substitute for human labor? Augment or replace? My immediate, uninformed answer is &#8220;Yes. Both.&#8221; But I&#8217;ve had no idea how to quantify those effects, or characterize their interactions.</p>
<p>The economic consensus (as I&#8217;ve discerned it and as Robin reports it) is that it&#8217;s all complement/augment&#8211;substitution is only local and temporary. And two centuries of rising wages certainly give a great deal of weight to that position. But it still seems more likely to me, even obvious, that both occur.</p>
<p>Which leads me to wonder: How do the two effects interact? What&#8217;s the ratio of the two? Does that ratio change? Most interestingly to me, has that ratio changed in any steady way over the decades and centuries?</p>
<p>Happily, it turns out that Robin is a Yes man like me:</p>
<blockquote><p>I want to help you understand how they can both be right. (22:32)</p></blockquote>
<p>He explains it with the following waterline model.</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-1129" href="http://www.asymptosis.com/are-machines-replacing-humans-or-am-i-a-luddite.html/slide-30"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1129" title="slide 30" src="http://www.asymptosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/slide-30-480x359.png" alt="" width="480" height="359" /></a></p>
<p>Machines do (obviously) take over human tasks, replacing human labor in those tasks, as machines gain a &#8220;better relative ability&#8221; to do those tasks than humans. No doubt about it. That&#8217;s the point where the waterline meets the shore, where a task can be equally well/efficiently done by a machine or a human. And the waterline is obviously rising.</p>
<p>But (not shown) those machine tasks <em>complement</em> the (more cognitive/creative) tasks that humans still do&#8211;and give humans time to do those tasks&#8211;increasing the humans&#8217; productivity. (Robin explains: &#8220;The tasks themselves are all complements&#8211;and this is a very robust, standard thing [in economics]&#8211;the better the world economy does any one thing, the more valuable doing all the other things becomes.&#8221;) This makes the human effort steadily more &#8220;valuable,&#8221; so the humans can produce more with machines&#8217; help, and&#8211;because the humans&#8217; work is valuable&#8211;those humans can claim their share of the increased production. Sounds great.</p>
<p>Another way to think about it: humans can only migrate so far above the waterline. They need that vast body of technology&#8211;that body of water at their back&#8211;to expand into new territories.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth pointing out that there&#8217;s an unstated presumption here: that the graph continues up and to the right, that humans can climb to ever-higher levels&#8211;leaving lesser tasks to machines while we tackle tasks that deliver ever-greater value per hour&#8211;ever-greater productivity. (Designing more efficient cars instead of building cars.) Assuming that everyone shares in that greater prosperity (as everyone has, in the long historical picture though certainly not in detail), this truly is an all-boats-rise scenario.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s where things get interesting&#8211;when Robin changes the shape of the shoreline:</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-1130" href="http://www.asymptosis.com/are-machines-replacing-humans-or-am-i-a-luddite.html/slide-31"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1130" title="slide 31" src="http://www.asymptosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/slide-31-480x359.png" alt="" width="480" height="359" /></a></p>
<p><em>The land contour is actually a graph of the change in the complement/substitute ratio.</em> Sometimes one effect dominates, sometimes the other. On the left, machines&#8217; takeover of human tasks does more to complement human effort than it does to substitute for that effort&#8211;resulting in economic growth and human prosperity. (To repeat: this rosy view reflects a big-picture, long-term orientation. Some individuals can&#8217;t make the steep climb, and they drown. But <em>humanity</em> moves ever higher.)</p>
<p>But then that ratio changes&#8211;the shoreline flattens out, and the scenario shifts radically. For every increase in machine abilities, there&#8217;s more substitute, and less complement. But the water keeps rising.</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-1131" href="http://www.asymptosis.com/are-machines-replacing-humans-or-am-i-a-luddite.html/slide-32"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1131" title="slide 32" src="http://www.asymptosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/slide-32-480x359.png" alt="" width="480" height="359" /></a></p>
<p>It looks to me like a lot of people just drowned, while a lucky few remain perched on the precipice.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Robin&#8217;s explanation:</p>
<blockquote><p>There&#8217;s both a substitution and a complementary effect. And which dominates depends on the shape of this curve. Down here where it&#8217;s very steep you have very little substitution and a lot of growth. The machines getting better basically means people get richer, wages rise. But we could also reach a point [slide change] where there&#8217;s a large flat region in principle, and we could have the wave of water coming in, to a point where most income in the world is going to the machines, and a relatively small fraction is going to the people, and depending on the shape of this shoreline it might simply flood the entire region.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unlike the future that Robin&#8217;s envisioning, though, in our world machines have no claims on earnings&#8211;they aren&#8217;t &#8220;people,&#8221; so they don&#8217;t get income. Their owners do. So he&#8217;s describing a situation &#8220;where most income in the world is going to the [owners], and a relatively small fraction is going to the [workers].&#8221;</p>
<p>Robin says this quite explicitly in his Spectrum article:</p>
<blockquote>
<div>Wages could fall so far that most humans could not live on them.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>This is, to my understanding, exactly the situation that the Luddites (and many others since) were so concerned about.</p>
<p>Robin is rather blithe in his statement that &#8220;in principle&#8221; there could be a large flat region. His talk has heretofore argued that periods of rapid growth (the steep parts of the curve) occur, highlighting the agricultural and industrial revolutions. And he asserts that those periods are getting closer together. He also asserts that another one is imminent&#8211;he thinks in the next hundred years.</p>
<p>Which would suggest that we are currently in one of those flat periods, where you see a lot more substitution relative to complementing&#8211;where a lot of people are being squeezed out of the economic system (drowned), without commensurate gains via complementarity (machines&#8217; increased ability to produce things&#8211;and help humans produce things&#8211;that humans value).</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope the hill keeps going up to the right, and that humans have the capacity to keep climbing.</p>
<p>But here, perhaps, is the issue: many don&#8217;t. While measured IQ has been increasing over the decades since it was first measured (they keep having to recalibrate the test to achieve the 100 median), it&#8217;s not increasing anywhere near as fast as machines&#8217; abilities. It&#8217;s possible that a large group of humans&#8211;at least in advanced, knowledge-driven societies like the U.S.&#8211;are being left below the waterline.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s much more I&#8217;d like to say on this topic, but I find myself out of time. (And I&#8217;m thinking you might be as well.) So I&#8217;ll just leave you with the questions I posed for Robin on his blog (slightly modified and expanded here).</p>
<p>Robin:</p>
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<p>Your augment/replace waterline model is, IMHO, profound. To bring it down to our current situation:</p>
<p>Have we reached that plateau? Perhaps sometime in the 70s, give or take?</p>
<p>Is it related to the limits of (aggregate) human cognitive capacity? IOW, since 50% of people have an IQ below 100, and “valuable” knowledge-worker tasks are requiring ever-greater cognitive skills, can the ameliorating effects of education continue to maintain the augment/replace ratio, as they did for much of the twentieth century?</p>
<p>Since machines currently are not people, but are owned by people (so the machines’ earnings go to the owners), could this explain the increasing wealth and income disparities (labor vs. capital, wages versus rents) in recent decades?</p>
<p>Re: your much-less-than-satisfying answer to the question about Germany’s success (highly industrialized, but with major social programs): is it possible that in order to maintain demand for ever-more-efficient productive capacity, government redistribution is a necessity? No–not at 1,000 times some imagined level, but somehow relative to per-capita shares of production?</p>
<p>Given that individual utility functions (as measured by “happiness”) seem to flat-line at about $15K in annual income in developing countries, about $60K in the U.S. (yes, iffy stuff, but the threshold/flat-line seems likely at some level), can the demand from a small cadre of owners–who don’t “value” most goods very highly–provide the demand necessary to keep the economic log rolling?</p>
<p>Could the absence of this widespread demand–making it difficult for capital to find productive investments that pay a good return–explain the massive increase in “casino investing” over recent decades? A desperate search for returns in a world where demand does not reward valuable production?</p>
<p>Could this situation also explain the downward pressure on secondary-education budgets? A vague sense of (impending) declining returns to education?</p>
<p>Could it also explain the rapidly increasing lengths of &#8220;<a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/employmentrecessions.html">jobless recoveries</a>&#8221; since the 70s?</p>
<p>Is it possible that the current&#8230;difficulties are like a wave crashing on that plateau?</p>
<p>IOW, could the Luddites (finally) be right? Even a stopped clock…</p>
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		<title>‘Pubs Love Catastrophic Coverage. Too Bad the Free Market Doesn’t Provide It</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps with very good reason, free-marketeers believe that catastrophic health coverage produces the best market efficiencies. People pay for everyday health care out of their own pockets, which gets them to shop for services and ask what the cost is, pushing costs down. They have an inexpensive insurance plan with a high deductible to cover [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps with very good reason, free-marketeers believe that catastrophic health coverage produces the best market efficiencies. People pay for everyday health care out of their own pockets, which gets them to shop for services and ask what the cost is, pushing costs down. They have an inexpensive insurance plan with a high deductible to cover the really bad stuff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a believer&#8211;at least when it comes to my own coverage. I have a $3,500 annual deductible, and my premiums are well below $5,000 a year.</p>
<p>But <strong>my plan only covers generic drugs</strong>, which is <em>exactly the opposite</em> of what I want. I want to pay for my own generic drugs (I just made the rational choice to switch from name-brand Lipitor to generic Simvastin because the cost-benefit analysis is obvious), but be covered if the worst occurs&#8211;some kind of terrible disease that can only be treated by a wildly expensive non-generic drug.</p>
<p><strong>It&#8217;s called catastrophic prescription coverage, and it&#8217;s completely unavailable,</strong> at least in Washington State.</p>
<p>No, put that thought out of your mind: it&#8217;s not the government&#8217;s fault. I asked the insurance commissioner&#8217;s hotline, and they say that there are no rules preventing insurers from offering that kind of coverage. It&#8217;s just that none of them do.</p>
<p>Even among Cadillac comprehensive plans, every single one has a low ($2,000-$5,000) annual cap on what they&#8217;ll pay for name-brand drugs.</p>
<p>One insurance rep I talked to surmised that maybe they couldn&#8217;t offer such a plan for what people would be willing to pay. Maybe.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m here to ask, how do they know if they don&#8217;t even try? Here&#8217;s one customer who&#8217;s ready to lay down serious cash on the barrelhead.</p>
<p>Markets constantly fail to offer what people want and are clamoring to pay for. (Think: high-MPG turbodiesels that are widespread in Europe and Asia, made by the very companies that for some reason don&#8217;t offer them here. Just <em>try</em> to find a used VW TDI.) I really can&#8217;t figure out why. Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>Deficits Don’t Matter? The (Supposed) Experts Speak</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dick Cheney famously said, &#8220;Reagan proved that deficits don&#8217;t matter.&#8221; I&#8217;ve argued elsewhere that this was a political, not an economic statement. People love to complain puritanically about debts and deficits, but they vote for politicians who promise to cut their taxes. Hence the 30-year hegemony of Reaganomics.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dick Cheney famously said, &#8220;Reagan proved that deficits don&#8217;t matter.&#8221; I&#8217;ve argued <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/reagan-bush-and-mccain-selling-america-first.html">elsewhere</a> that this was a political, not an economic statement. People love to complain puritanically about debts and deficits, but they vote for politicians who promise to cut their taxes. Hence the 30-year hegemony of Reaganomics.</p>
<p>But do deficits mattter (economically)? In particular, does high government debt result in slower economic growth one year, ten years, or twenty years down the line?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s been quite a bit of discussion lately in the econoblogosphere (see <a href="http://blogs.ft.com/undercover/2010/03/maybe-debt-doesnt-matter-after-all/">here</a>, <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/01/04/reinhart-and-rogoff-higher-debt-may-stunt-economic-growth/tab/article/">here</a>, <a href="http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2010/03/maybe-debt-doesnt-matter-after-all.html#tpe-action-posted-6a00d83451b33869e201310f534467970c">here</a>, <a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/01/11/81969/high-us-debt-means-slower-growth.html">here</a>, and <a href="http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/1535/steny-hoyer-man-worth-listening">here</a>) of a recent <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=2&amp;ved=0CBAQFjAB&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aeaweb.org%2Faea%2Fconference%2Fprogram%2Fretrieve.php%3Fpdfid%3D460&amp;rct=j&amp;q=reinhart+rogoff+growth+in+a+time+of+debt&amp;ei=ZySMS--xGJe8jAeV5OSGDg&amp;usg=AFQjCNH7AHQKR-Z1XYXfdv-7OrVMFAvacg">paper</a> (PDF) by Carmen Reinhart and Ken Rogoff, &#8220;Growth in a Time of Debt.&#8221; Their conclusions, in brief:</p>
<blockquote><p>First, the <strong>relationship between government debt and real GDP growth</strong> is weak for <strong>debt/GDP ratios</strong> below a threshold of 90 percent of GDP. <strong>Above 90 percent, median growth rates fall by one percent</strong>, and average growth falls considerably more.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m here to say that while their data set is impressive, their analysis is so weak&#8211;downright amateurish&#8211;as to make any conclusions in the paper largely useless. Given the same data set, any bright, diligent freshman with a copy of Excel could produce the same analysis with less than a day&#8217;s work. They could produce much of what&#8217;s provided using easily accessible, web-available data.</p>
<p>The paper, it seems to me (in my amateurish ignorance), makes the most basic error that I see in almost all &#8220;determinants of growth&#8221; econometrics: it doesn&#8217;t consider multiple lags&#8211;what periods (of debt) are being compared to what ensuing periods (of growth).</p>
<p>Post hoc obviously doesn&#8217;t mean propter hoc, but &#8220;ensuingness&#8221; is one of the few natural-experiment handles we&#8217;ve got in a science where you can&#8217;t re-run the experiment.</p>
<p>While the paper (oddly, it seems to me) doesn&#8217;t say so explicitly, it seems to be comparing a country&#8217;s debt levels in a given year to that country&#8217;s GDP growth <em>in the same year</em>. While the data set is impressive (are they sharing?), the analysis is based on the most simplistic of correlations.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not even adjusted for the most widely-accepted of necessary corrections&#8211;&#8221;convergence&#8221; or the &#8220;catch-up effect&#8221;&#8211;the tendency of less-prosperous economies to catch up with their cohorts due to transfers of technology, expertise, trade, capital, etc. (Which effectively changes the question to something like, &#8220;Gee, these countries didn&#8217;t catch up, when they should have.&#8221; Or &#8220;This country keeps surging ahead. Why?&#8221;)</p>
<p>Also, the paper only looks at GDP growth&#8211;not growth in GDP per capita, which is necessary to correct for different population growth rates in different countries.</p>
<p>But putting those two issues aside: Reinhart and Rogoff acknowledge their lag-blindness in a decidedly less-than-reassuring parenthetical (p. 7):</p>
<blockquote><p>(Using lagged debt should not dramatically change the picture.)</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Should not.&#8221; Now that&#8217;s a convincing piece of robustly supported econometric evidence and argument, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>The paper provides at least one perfect&#8211;downright eye-popping&#8211;example of this lag-blindness, and the false picture it paints. In Figure 3 (p. 10), they show their debt-to-growth correlations (broken into their &#8220;buckets&#8221; by debt/GDP ratio) for the U.S., purportedly demonstrating that debt/GDP levels above 90% result in far lower GDP growth levels.</p>
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<p>But note the footnote to this table: they have only 5 samples (years) out of 216 in which debt/GDP was greater than 90%.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to figure out what years those were:</p>
<p><strong>U.S. Federal Debt as a Percentage of GDP</strong><br />
1944 91.45<br />
1945 116.00<br />
1946 121.25<br />
1947 105.81<br />
1948 93.75<br />
1949 94.60</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=1930_2015&amp;view=1&amp;expand=&amp;units=p&amp;fy=fy11&amp;chart=H0-fed&amp;bar=0&amp;stack=1&amp;size=l&amp;title=&amp;state=US&amp;color=c&amp;local=s">Source</a>.</p>
<p>I find six years to their five, but in any case.</p>
<p>This was a period of profound economic turbulence&#8211;the years when our economy was struggling to recover from the massive back-and-forth swings of unprecedented economic forces in the preceding 10-15 years. Things didn&#8217;t smooth out until the fifties. If these years constitute Reinhart and Rogoff&#8217;s &#8220;proof,&#8221; well&#8230;there&#8217;s just not a lot of there there.</p>
<p>While arguments can be made to the contrary, it&#8217;s not insane to suggest that the deficits of the war years&#8212;finally breaking the back of The Great Depression&#8211;and the resulting debts of the late 40s, were in fact the impetus (or at least enabler) for The Great Prosperity of ensuing decades.</p>
<p>But whether or not you buy that argument, this example demonstrates that Reinhart and Rogoff&#8217;s lag-blindness in this paper (combined in this example with a completely misrepresentative five- or six-sample data set) quite resoundingly undercuts the value of its conclusions.</p>
<p>Their choice of correlations&#8211;year-X debt to year-X growth (or to be precise, growth <em>from the preceding year</em> to year X)&#8211;exemplifies a dismaying tendency among U.S. growth econometricians, particularly those like Rogoff who display a predilection for making political points and getting on talk shows: a tendency to concentrate on short-term results rather than long-term benefits.</p>
<p>I think almost all will agree that the important question we need to be asking is, &#8220;What effect will debt levels have on our (country&#8217;s) long-term prosperity and well-being?&#8221; Will our children and grandchildren decades hence be more or less prosperous as a result of Policy X, or Policy Y? (This also because we can actually have an effect on those long-term outcomes&#8211;if we think and plan long-term, and act diligently.)</p>
<p>In my amateurish way, I&#8217;d like to suggest that answers to those questions can be found more readily by looking at many lag periods for any given correlation. In particular&#8211;since many important economic effects (arguably the most important ones) play out over many years or decades, and it takes years or decades to implement significant policies&#8211;we should be looking at long lag periods to draw our conclusions. This also has the statistical benefit of smoothing out short-term blips and bleeps in the data that serve only to confuse and pollute our judgments (and of course provide splendid opportunities for cherry-picking).</p>
<p>Here is one example of long-term, multi-lag, multi-period analysis&#8211;comparing U.S. to EU15 GDP/capita growth rates for all the periods from 1970 to 2006. (I apologize that this is not corrected for convergence/catch-up.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/europe-vs-us-who%e2%80%99s-winning.html">http://www.asymptosis.com/europe-vs-us-who%e2%80%99s-winning.html</a></p>
<p>And another example here, suggesting that wealth equality correlates with somewhat slower growth in the short term, but profoundly faster growth in the long term. (Again, not corrected for catch-up.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/wealth-equality-and-prosperity.html">http://www.asymptosis.com/wealth-equality-and-prosperity.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say that I don&#8217;t have time at the moment to pull this kind of analysis for the debt-to-growth correlation. Anyone care to do so? Reinhart and Rogoff, can we borrow your data set please?</p>
<p><strong>U</strong><strong>pdate March 3.</strong> I should add based on comments elsewhere: I am in no way arguing that debt is benign (based on Ricardian equivalence or whatever), or that there might not be some thresholding effect where it starts to have decidedly non-benign effects on short- or long-term growth. Obviously there has to be a point where it would.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m simply saying that because of their analysis methods, R&amp;R&#8217;s paper doesn&#8217;t give us any real insight into that. Because of their zero-lag analysis, they certainly give no insight into the long-term effects, which strike me as the effects that really matter. Compounding interest and all that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Pubs: You Had a Blank Piece of Paper for Eight Years</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since you didn&#8217;t do anything, why should we think that you&#8217;ll do anything this time?
Here&#8217;s the cost of doing nothing:

In case tea-partiers are finding the arithmetic troubling, if we&#8217;d adopted the Clinton plan we&#8217;d currently be saving close to half a trillion dollars a year.
If we&#8217;d adopted Nixon&#8217;s plan, we&#8217;d be saving a trillion dollars [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you didn&#8217;t do anything, why should we think that you&#8217;ll do anything this time?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the cost of doing nothing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/weekinreview/28abelson.html"><img class="alignnone" title="What Might Have Been" src="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/02/28/weekinreview/28abelson-grfk/28abelson-grfk-popup.gif" alt="" width="650" height="765" /></a><br />
In case tea-partiers are finding the arithmetic troubling, if we&#8217;d adopted the Clinton plan <strong>we&#8217;d currently be saving close to half a trillion dollars a year</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>If we&#8217;d adopted Nixon&#8217;s plan, we&#8217;d be saving a trillion dollars a year</strong> right now.</p>
<p><strong>Every year.</strong></p>
<p>You can read about Nixon&#8217;s plan, in his own words, <a href="http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/September/03/nixon-proposal.aspx">here</a>.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;d rather cling to some self-aggrandizing, knobby-headed notion of &#8220;freedom.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, we can&#8217;t afford you people any more.</p>
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		<title>Where Did the Deficit Come From? From “Conservatives,” of Course</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While poking around for info on the previous post, I came across this graphic:

Which comes from this especially great WikiPedia page.
Which just re-emphasizes what we&#8217;ve seen since WWII, and especially since 1980:

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While poking around for info on the previous post, I came across this graphic:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="Where the Deficit Came From" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a5/CBO_Forecast_Changes_for_2009-2012.png" alt="" width="960" height="720" /></p>
<p>Which comes from this especially great WikiPedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget">page</a>.</p>
<p>Which just re-emphasizes what we&#8217;ve seen since WWII, and especially since 1980:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="post-war debt" src="http://home.att.net/~rdavis2/debt10.jpg" alt="" width="672" height="447" /></p>
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		<title>Okay, “Conservatives,” What Spending SHALL We Cut?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not surprisingly, somebody went out and asked them. Here are the results:

Source. I think this pretty much speaks for itself, though it&#8217;s worth noting the commonly misunderstood fact that foreign aid accounts for less than 1% of Federal spending.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprisingly, somebody went out and asked them. Here are the results:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="Conservative Cuts" src="http://www.themonkeycage.org/conflictedconservatives%20revised.png" alt="" width="753" height="547" /></p>
<p><a href="http://www.themonkeycage.org/2010/02/corrected_graph_for_conflicted.html"><img src="http://www.asymptosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/conflictedconservatives%20revised-thumb.png" alt="" />Source</a>. I think this pretty much speaks for itself, though it&#8217;s worth noting the commonly misunderstood fact that foreign aid accounts for less than 1% of Federal spending.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[A comment by flipspiceland on a previous post, about Democratic senators and &#8220;out of control&#8221; spending, got me curious about our spending numbers compared to other large, prosperous countries.
Short story: our governments (fed, state, local) are incredibly frugal compared to the rest of the world. This even with a defense budget that&#8217;s larger than every [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/david-stockman-on-starving-the-beast-game-over.html#comment-803">comment</a> by flipspiceland on a previous post, about Democratic senators and &#8220;out of control&#8221; spending, got me curious about our spending numbers compared to other large, prosperous countries.</p>
<p>Short story: our governments (fed, state, local) are incredibly frugal compared to the rest of the world. This even with a defense budget that&#8217;s larger than every other country&#8217;s combined.</p>
<p>Here are the facts on the ground, most recent comparable data I could pull: for 2006. (As you can see, even for that year some countries haven&#8217;t reported.)</p>
<p>This is all in national currencies for 2006, no jimmying around with inflation adjustments or exchange rates/purchasing-power parities to convert to U.S. dollars. So the data&#8217;s pretty much as straight as you can get it.</p>
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<td colspan="4" width="319" height="16"><strong>Government Spending and GDP</strong></td>
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<td colspan="4" height="16">(In National Currencies, 2006)</td>
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<td height="13"></td>
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<td width="91">Government Expenditures</td>
<td width="78">GDP</td>
<td width="75">Spending as    % of GDP</td>
</tr>
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<td height="15">Korea</td>
<td align="right">251,982,800</td>
<td align="right">908,743,800</td>
<td align="right">28%</td>
</tr>
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<td height="15">Ireland</td>
<td align="right">59,912</td>
<td align="right">176,759</td>
<td align="right">34%</td>
</tr>
<tr height="15">
<td height="15">United States</td>
<td align="right">4,795,952</td>
<td align="right">13,336,200</td>
<td align="right">36%</td>
</tr>
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<td height="15">Japan</td>
<td align="right">183,515,800</td>
<td align="right">507,364,800</td>
<td align="right">36%</td>
</tr>
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<td height="15">Spain</td>
<td align="right">377,876</td>
<td align="right">984,284</td>
<td align="right">38%</td>
</tr>
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<td height="15">Canada</td>
<td align="right">568,681</td>
<td align="right">1,449,215</td>
<td align="right">39%</td>
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<td height="15">Norway</td>
<td align="right">873,925</td>
<td align="right">2,159,573</td>
<td align="right">40%</td>
</tr>
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<td height="15">Greece</td>
<td align="right">89,980</td>
<td align="right">210,460</td>
<td align="right">43%</td>
</tr>
<tr height="15">
<td height="15">United Kingdom</td>
<td align="right">584,779</td>
<td align="right">1,325,795</td>
<td align="right">44%</td>
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<td height="15">Germany</td>
<td align="right">1,052,290</td>
<td align="right">2,325,100</td>
<td align="right">45%</td>
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<tr height="15">
<td height="15">Netherlands</td>
<td align="right">246,028</td>
<td align="right">540,216</td>
<td align="right">46%</td>
</tr>
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<td height="15">Portugal</td>
<td align="right">71,944</td>
<td align="right">155,446</td>
<td align="right">46%</td>
</tr>
<tr height="15">
<td height="15">Belgium</td>
<td align="right">154,137</td>
<td align="right">318,193</td>
<td align="right">48%</td>
</tr>
<tr height="15">
<td height="15">Italy</td>
<td align="right">722,751</td>
<td align="right">1,485,377</td>
<td align="right">49%</td>
</tr>
<tr height="15">
<td height="15">Finland</td>
<td align="right">81,343</td>
<td align="right">167,009</td>
<td align="right">49%</td>
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<tr height="15">
<td height="15">Austria</td>
<td align="right">127,194</td>
<td align="right">256,162</td>
<td align="right">50%</td>
</tr>
<tr height="15">
<td height="15">Denmark</td>
<td align="right">841,076</td>
<td align="right">1,631,659</td>
<td align="right">52%</td>
</tr>
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<td height="15">France</td>
<td align="right">952,516</td>
<td align="right">1,806,430</td>
<td align="right">53%</td>
</tr>
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<td height="15">Sweden</td>
<td align="right">1,569,579</td>
<td align="right">2,900,790</td>
<td align="right">54%</td>
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<td height="15">Australia</td>
<td>NA</td>
<td>1,045,674</td>
<td>#VALUE!</td>
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<tr height="15">
<td height="15">New Zealand</td>
<td>NA</td>
<td>165,903</td>
<td>#VALUE!</td>
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<td height="15">Israel</td>
<td>296,240</td>
<td>NA</td>
<td>#VALUE!</td>
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<td height="15"></td>
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<td height="15"></td>
<td></td>
<td></td>
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<td colspan="4" width="319" height="75">Source: stats.oecd.org. Expenditure from National Accounts: General Government Accounts: Government expenditure by function. National currency, current prices. GDP from National Accounts: Gross Domestic Product, Annual, in millions of Current Prices (National Currrency)</td>
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<p>Taking just federal government expenditures, we&#8217;re even more frugal. (A higher percentage of our government spending is by state and local governments.) Stats.OECD is kind of a pain in the ass because it&#8217;s forever expiring your session and losing all your work, so I didn&#8217;t pull this myself&#8211;found it on another blogger&#8217;s <a href="http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/03/government-spending-as-percentage-of.html">site</a>, pulled from CIA data. (CIA, OECD, UN, etc. all ultimately get their data from the same sources—the countries themselves—using standardized metrics.)</p>
<p>Notice the company we&#8217;re keeping?</p>
<p><strong>Federal Spending as a Percentage of GDP</strong><br />
13. Sweden    58.1<br />
14. Denmark    58.1<br />
19. Belgium    56.0<br />
20. Norway    55.8<br />
23. Italy    55.3<br />
24. Netherlands    54.7<br />
25. Austria    54.3<br />
26. Finland    54.2<br />
27. Portugal    54.1<br />
34. Greece    50.7<br />
37. UK    50.0<br />
41. Germany    48.8<br />
43. Canada    48.2<br />
47. Spain    47.3<br />
51. New Zealand    46.6<br />
63. Israel    43.6<br />
64. Australia    43.6<br />
69. Ireland    41.5<br />
76. Switzerland    37.8<br />
78. Luxembourg    37.5<br />
103. Japan    30.9<br />
107. South Korea    29.3<br />
137. Taiwan    21.2</p>
<p>143. Chad    19.9<br />
144. US    19.9<br />
145. Cameroon    19.1</p>
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		<title>Democrats are Profligate Spendthrifts! Oh…Wait…</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn I&#8217;m busy today. I came across yet another great Wikipedia page that I really had to share: National debt by U.S. presidential terms.
I&#8217;ll just share a little top-line data. There&#8217;s much more over there.






Average Increase, 1978-2005
Spending
Debt
GDP


Under Democratic Presidents
9.9%
4.2%
12.6%


Under Republican Presidents
12.1%
36.4%
10.7%



﻿Who are the true conservatives here?
Feel free to snark at this table. It&#8217;s just one [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn I&#8217;m busy today. I came across yet another great Wikipedia page that I really had to share: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms">National debt by U.S. presidential terms</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just share a little top-line data. There&#8217;s much more over there.</p>
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<td width="189" height="16"><strong>Average Increase, 1978-2005</strong></td>
<td width="66"><strong>Spending</strong></td>
<td width="56"><strong>Debt</strong></td>
<td width="56"><strong>GDP</strong></td>
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<td height="16">Under Democratic Presidents</td>
<td>9.9%</td>
<td>4.2%</td>
<td>12.6%</td>
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<td height="16">Under Republican Presidents</td>
<td>12.1%</td>
<td>36.4%</td>
<td>10.7%</td>
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<p>﻿Who are the true conservatives here?</p>
<p>Feel free to snark at this table. It&#8217;s just one slice out of millions that are possible, quite possibly cherry-picked. But make sure to also take down all the evidence you&#8217;ll find <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/pro-growth-republicans-iii-yeah-right.html">here</a> and in the ensuing links. (There&#8217;s really no way to spin the data any other way without spectacular efforts at cherry-picking and statistical contortion.)</p>
<p>Then come back and talk to me.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[In digging around for the previous post, I came across  this beaut on Wikipedia (can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve never seen it before), and just can&#8217;t resist sharing it:
The economist John Kenneth Galbraith noted that supply side economics was not a new theory. He wrote, &#8220;Mr. David Stockman has said that supply-side economics was merely a cover [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In digging around for the <a href="http://www.asymptosis.com/david-stockman-on-starving-the-beast-game-over.html">previous post</a>, I came across  this beaut on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics">Wikipedia</a> (can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve never seen it before), and just can&#8217;t resist sharing it:</p>
<blockquote><p>The economist <a title="John Kenneth Galbraith" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith">John Kenneth Galbraith</a> noted that supply side economics was not a new theory. He wrote, &#8220;Mr. <a title="David Stockman" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Stockman">David Stockman</a> has said that supply-side economics was merely a cover for the trickle-down approach to economic policy—what an older and less elegant generation called the <strong>horse-and-sparrow theory: If you feed the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows.</strong>&#8220;<sup id="cite_ref-44"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply-side_economics#cite_note-44">[45]</a></sup></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve always said &#8220;trickle-down only works with urine and semen,&#8221; but I think Galbraith has embraced a superior excretion.</p>
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