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Frank Kern's Scamworld On The Verge Of Collapsing

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Wed, 16 May 2012 01:24:00 +0000

The Verge published a well written, thoroughly researched article by Joseph L. Flatley titled, Scamworld: 'Get Rich Quick' Schemes Mutate Into An Online Monster.

The Salty Droid is prominently featured in the Verge article as well as Scamworld, The Movie. The Droid wrote about the piece on his fraud-busting blog The Salty Droid.

Many internet marketers and products regularly seen on the Warrior Forum are discussed in this devastating expose about internet marketing frauds and scams. Recognize any of these 'modern snake oil salesmen'?

Frank Kern
John Paul Raygoza
Mike Filsaime
Jeff Walker
Andy Jenkins
Jeremy Johnson
Anik Singal
Yanik Silver
Eben Pagan
Anthony Morrison
Lisa Turner
Matt Bacak
Glen Ledwell

They're all covered in Scamworld, along with Anthony Robbins and several others. Some of the products/companies are Push Traffic, Lethal Commissions, Prosper, IWorks, Instant Internet Empires, Instant Sales letters, Video Boss, A-Z Money Machine, Undercover Commissions, Spiritual Practitioner Secrets, Mind Movies and PMI.

Anyone familiar with The Salty Droid will notice that his hard work combating fraudsters like Kern, Filsaime, Walker, et al. was valuable source material for Flatley's riveting Scamworld article on The Verge.

The stomach turning boiler room tactics used by these internet marketers is related in all its revolting detail.

Flatley also gets up close and personal with the flim flam men of IM. He writes in The Verge:

"The Verge has been known to make a movie or two in its time, so I took a page from the Bedros Keuilian playbook and headed to the Crystal City Marriott just outside Washington, D.C. for an event called Underground Online 8. I wanted to talk to these people, even if it meant enduring three days of sessions by an "ultra-secretive group of underground internet millionaires," according to the promotional material."

His resulting report is both hilarious and disturbing. Here's part of Flatley's conversation with one of the participants in Underground Online 8:

"I just want to make sure we're clear," I said towards the end of our conversation. "You said that this was no different than going to college, but then you said college was a rip-off. Is this [Internet Marketing info-products] a rip-off? Is that what you meant?

"Well, it could be. I mean, that depends on what the person thinks. I mean, the products we sell, you get a sixty-day, money-back guarantee. I don't remember the last college that gave me a money back guarantee. But I mean, it's all relative. Like, I try to put projects together that people find valuable, but information is such an intangible asset that it's hard to qualify."

Are you going to try putting this information to use for yourself?

"I'm in the business of selling information. It's a business model, you're selling information. Just like a journalist sells a subscription to a magazine."

These IM products are really frauducts. As Frank Kern has said:

“The product is really irrelevant,” Frank Kern tells an audience of Internet Marketers on one of his many videos floating around the web. “Now, that’s not to say that you can’t, or don’t need to, or should not make an absolutely kick-ass product. That is not what I am trying to tell you at all. But we should never put the cart before the horse.”

Later in the same video, he explains that “the market” (what people are willing to buy) is the most important factor when developing an information product, and not whether you’re actually qualified to teach someone about a subject.

If anything, Internet Marketing is a form of "pure marketing" that exists often without the complication of an actual product. Rather than develop something useful, Internet Marketers create something out of thin air: likely a worthless e-book, or some sort of coaching session that consists of a semi-regular phone consultation.

Frank Kern wasn't happy that another popular website (The Salty Droid being the first), The Verge, reported his scam tactics and dishonest internet marketing methods.

Frankie went on Facebook to post a weak, self-serving, inaccurate response. However he only succeeded in compounding the damage to his bad reputation. The Salty Droid quickly and thoroughly debunked Kern's reply with this article, Frank Kern in Scamworld.

UPDATE: Famous internet scam artist Mike Filsaime stumbled through a lame Facebook reply to Joseph L. Flatley's article Scamworld. Salty Droid answers Filsaime in Gnomes in Scamworld.

Stephen Pierce Bullies, Mike Filsaime And Warrior Forum Remain Silent

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 23:40:00 +0000

It would be a sorry state of affairs if accused internet marketing scam artists and Warrior Forum contributors Stephen Pierce and Mike Filsaime were allowed to defraud innocent consumers with no fear of criticism or retribution.

However, that's the way Steve and Mike like it.

If IM fraud criticism and dissent were squashed, Pierce, Filsaime and others of their ilk could continue banking their ill-gotten gains off the backs and bursting credit card balances of folks who can least afford it.

Recently Salty Droid revealed how Stephen Pierce does this. In a scathing series of articles Salty Droid exposed Stephen Pierce's reprehensible tactics aimed at bullying folks who were not satisfied with Pierce's internet marketing products, coaching or service.

Pierce hired the law firm Vorys Sater Seymour and Pease to sue folks who dared criticize him and his wares. As Salty Droid correctly pointed out, defendants in these lawsuits are often unable to afford a proper defense.

However, thanks to the Salty Droid, some are fighting back against Stephen Pierce and his lawyers. Here's part of a letter Salty Droid wrote to Pierce's lawyers.

"Please inform your client that I have offered my assistance to all current litigants in disputes against him. I’m available to give testimony, or to provide evidence that I’ve collected over several years, or to actively investigate new claims using my vast contacts inside the world of scam {Stephen’s world}. And additionally that I plan to, on my own accord and without any form of compensation, help raise plaintiffs {and lawyers if need be} for class action lawsuits against Stephen and Stephen Pierce International."

Source: Salty Droid

It gets better. Here's more from that Salty Droid article:

"Dallas Attorney Alan Rosenberg is preparing to bring a lawsuit against Stephen Pierce International {and affiliated companies and individuals} for the victims of SPI’s various scams :: fake opportunities :: and boiler room soul crushings. Alan and his firm :: Chamblee, Ryan, Kershaw & Anderson, P.C. :: have agreed to take the case on a contingency basis … which is super awesome of them because people who’ve just been scammed for insane monies don’t tend to have lots of cash lying around."

Salty Droid encouraged all victims of Stephen Pierce to join that lawsuit by contacting Alan Rosenberg at this email address. I hope the message is received by as many Stephen Pierce scam victims as possible. If you or someone you know has been victimized by Stephen Pierce, contact Alan Rosenberg without delay. There is no up front cost to you because Alan and his firm have taken the case on a contingency basis.

Some Salty Droid readers tried to publish this important news on the Warrior Forum. You would think Paul Myers and the Warrior Forum would welcome tidings that offer help to victims of internet marketing fraud and protect potential future marks.

However, the ugly truth is Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers deleted the important, helpful thread about Stephen Pierce in less than twenty minutes! The Warrior Forum does not want any threads that will expose internet marketing scam artists. Paul Myers has no interest in protecting innocent scam victims. His primary concern is to protect internet marketing scam artists and fraudsters for they provide the dirty money that keeps the Warrior Forum in business.

The Warrior Forum remains silent and the top internet marketers do as well. This is made crystal clear during a taped interview with Mike Filsaime published in the Salty Droid article Boiled Gnome. The entire post is an eye-opener but in the audio section, Act V - Repressing Dissent, ...no complaining complainers..., Filsaime reveals how he refuses to warn others about fraudulent internet marketers.

In a disgusting tip of the hat courtesy to his fellow scam artists Mike explains that he just can't bring himself to criticize internet marketers who prey upon the uninformed and innocent.

When asked if it wouldn't be better if he and other top IM leaders spoke up about fraudulent products, Mike weakly responded that it's just not his plan to warn others not to use a scam artist's product. He said it would be too dangerous for him to publicly point the finger at a fraudster.

Mike Filsaime remains silent as internet marketing con artists victimize good folks. The Warrior Forum and Paul Myers censor any threads offering helpful information about false products, services and software and Stephen Pierce plays nipple-ring around the rosie with ill-gotten gains protected by bullying lawyers.

These three revolting entities are considered leaders in the internet marketing industry. What a shame.

Warrior Forum Plagiarism And Piracy

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:36:00 +0000

Allen Say's Warrior Forum is being savaged across the World Wide Webbies as well as the main stream media and there's little he can do about it.

For the past few years this blog, Warrior Forum Sucks, has led the charge in exposing the scams, lies, corruption, fraud and censorship found daily on the Warrior Forum. I have been diligent in my quest to help regular folks avoid falling victim to the chicanery found there.

Now an even larger audience has discovered just how dangerous the Warrior Forum can be. National Public Radio did a story on plagiarism and piracy that had its roots in another Warrior Forum scam.

Also, FastCompany.com's Adam Penenberg penned two excellent articles about this latest Warrior Forum PLR, plagiarism and piracy fraud.

Amazon's Plagiarism Problem...

Unmasking A Digital Pirate On Amazon...

NPR and FastCompany revealed piracy and plagiarism in the erotica genre but this Warrior Forum scam applies to almost all publishing niches. For example Gennie Gratto of BlogHer.com exposed how this nefarious technique has been used to steal money from genuine recipe book authors.

Prominent Food Blogger Discovers Plagiarized Ebook...

Here's how it worked. Warrior Forum members would offer WSOs on how to become a successful Amazon/Kindle publisher without doing any of the heavy lifting stuff like, say....actual writing!

The scammers scrape real content off the web, sometimes make minor changes (often not), then group it into a PLR pack to be published as original works!

This outright theft and copyright infringement was heavily promoted on the Warrior Forum. Allen Says made money by selling ads and WSO offers to these thieves. He has no shame.

Granted there are legitimate PLR packages. PLR is short for 'Private Label Rights' and some ethical marketers/writers create original content then sell the right for others to publish this material.

However, as Gennie Gratto pointed out, "Though ebooks created through the PLR process might not be plagiarism or illegal, it occurs to me that their proliferation junks up the system and makes it that much harder to find the true rip-offs."

How blatant is the plagiarism offered by these Warrior Forum hucksters? Adam Penenberg revealed an actual author's research:

"Amazon lets customers click inside a book for a sample of text and Sharazade was impressed with how literate it was. She extracted a sentence fragment, googled it, and found that Cruz had copy and pasted the text from Bram Stoker's Dracula. Curious, Sharazade keyed in phrases from other Cruz ebooks and discovered that every book she checked was stolen."

Chris Meadows from TeleRead.com explained:

"Nevertheless, Warrior Forum continues to be awash in copyright infringement come-ons. "If you go to the warriorforum and ask around, there are hundreds of people offering to sell you books with publishing rights," Luke says. Check out this ad, posted in its special offers group, for "The Kindle Secret: Want to Create Kindle Books in 15 Minutes or less?" The person behind it hawks a guide for $17 that explains how he’s "dominating" one "hidden Kindle niche." He claims to be "outsourcing books" for "$20 a pop (can you get a whole Kindle book created for $20?) and selling them on the Kindle for $2.99 each," promising that his books "require no marketing and still sell like crazy," with each title earning between $40 and $300 a month. "I don’t write a thing," he brags. He just creates the covers, uploads the content then moves on to the next book. "This is completely scalable. Want to go big? Create 100 books for $2,000 and you’ll have major passive income set up for you in just a couple of weeks."

Here's a Warrior Forum member who calls himself Khaliff defending this despicable Warrior Forum scam on one of the many threads promoting this activity:

"I truly don't understand the nature of your concerns. A recipe is basically an IDEA. You can't "copyright" an IDEA. I suggest reading the recipes then rewriting them. Period! It's that simple. Just don't be guilty of cutting and pasting the verbiage that's on the recipe."

Then this Bozo actually continues with his mind boggling 'recipe' for plagiarism and piracy:

"EXAMPLE: (Original Recipe taken from Vons.com)
Ingredients
1 tablespoon O Organics(TM) Extra Virgin Olive Oil
2 garlic cloves, minced
1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper
6 cups O Organics Chicken Broth
1 (28 ounce) can O Organics Diced Tomatoes
1 (15 ounce) can O Organics Kidney Beans, rinsed and drained
1 (15 ounce) can O Organics Black Beans, rinsed and drained
1 (15 ounce) can O Organics Organic Pinto Beans, rinsed and drained
1/4 cup O Organics Sour Cream
1/4 cup minced fresh cilantro

Directions
Heat oil in a large Dutch oven over medium-high heat. Add garlic and crushed red pepper; saute 30 seconds.
Add broth and next 4 ingredients. Cover and cook 10 minutes, stirring occasionally.
Ladle soup into bowls. Garnish with sour cream and cilantro, if desired.
Nutrition per serving
Calories 254
Total Fat 6 g
Cholesterol 10 mg
Sodium 1916 mg
Total Carbohydrates 36 g
Dietary Fiber 13 g

MY MODIFIED VERSION OF SAME RECIPE -
Ingredients

2 garlic cloves, minced
1 tablespoon O Organics(TM) Extra Virgin Olive Oil
6 cups O Organics Chicken Broth
1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper
6 cups O Organics Chicken Broth
A) 1 (28 ounce) can O Organics Diced Tomatoes
B) 1 (15 ounce) can O Organics Kidney Beans, rinsed and drained
C) 1 (15 ounce) can O Organics Black Beans, rinsed and drained
D) 1 (15 ounce) can O Organics Organic Pinto Beans, rinsed and drained
1/4 cup O Organics Sour Cream
1/4 cup minced fresh cilantro

Directions
The first thing you should do is Heat the oil in a large oven over medium to high heat. Add crushed red pepper and garlic; then saute it 30 for seconds.
Add broth and items A) thru D). Cover it and then cook 10 minutes. Stir occasionally making sure nothing sticks to the bottom

When finished, soup should now have a smooth consistency. Ladle the soup into bowls. If desired you can Garnish with sour cream and cilantro or some other topping of your choosing.

=====

You see? This is the same recipe but it doesn't matter WHO created the original version or WHERE you found it at ...you would NOT be guilty of ANY copyright infringement. MY modification is mine alone. Copyright is not like trademarks which are much more controlling. You only own the copyright to YOUR own words ...not to your IDEA.

You could basically RE-WRITE somebody else's book, as long as you use YOUR original words and style to do so. The exception would be when their is some sort of breach of confidence ...or trust, such as when you expose or pitch your idea to use your personal story for a new film or TV show, they tell you that they are not interested and then take YOUR idea and YOUR story and create the film or TV show. THAT would be a problem because YOUR idea and your story is NOT in the public domain. You tell the same story to a newspaper, now it's in the public domain and they CAN make a film about it without ANY compensation to you. "

Can you believe that? In the thread some Warrior Forum members ridiculed this idiot, but too many others swallow this nonsense as gospel.

Since the Warrior Forum has been disgraced in the national news some WF members have been banned and some threads on this topic deleted, but not all. There are still WSO offers, ads and Warrior Forum members pushing variations of this piracy fraud.

Allen Says and the Warrior Forum have taken a pounding for promoting this theft. However, in the midst of all the bad press one marketer has (in a roundabout way) defended Allen Says.

Remember when I mentioned above that legitimate PLR offers do exist? Well one honest and ethical IM, Tiffany Dow does offer valuable PLR packages. She recently wrote of paying Allen Says @$2500 a year.

Some might question the timing of Tiffany's WSO/Allen Says article (after the recent world wide Warrior Forum criticism) but she does outline exactly how to properly invest in a WSO ad.

To me Tiffany Dow's relationship with the Warrior Forum is like an honest Snapple Drink vending machine owner who places her coin-op machine in the Star Wars Bar. The establishment is rife with pirates, thieves, con men, scam artists and lowlifes but that vending machine keeps offering a great product for a fair price. Tiffany Dow is the Warrior Forum Snapple Girl.

Read her article. If all Warrior Forum members followed her example, I'd be out of work.

Ian Simpson Of 2iGlobal Explains Warrior Forum WSO Scam Newsletters Attorney And More

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 01:19:00 +0000

Since I published an article about Ian Simpson and his failed Warrior Forum WSO offer, the guy has been feverishly sending me emails and such to tell his side of the story. Unfortunately, for all his typed words about attorney advice, Ian Simpson explained very little.

He sent me excuses, non sequiturs, veiled attorney legal threats, wild claims of land deals, need of bed rest and other nonsense. He's a real piece of work.

He has not refunded any money to his Warrior Forum WSO victims so I'll be writing more about Mr. Ian Simpson. In the meantime I thought you would enjoy an interview I gave him.

He was very circumspect, insisted we meet in an undisclosed parking garage and promised not to bring his attorney. Here's how it went down.

Ian Simpson Explains Warrior Forum Scam And Other Frauds
by: ParodyProductions

Ian Simpson Of East Sussex Steals Thousands With WSO Fraud

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:46:00 +0000

Warrior Forum member Ian Simpson wanted to show you how easy it is to turn $125 into $13,000 per month. Times are tough, who couldn't use an extra thirteen grand a month? What a swell guy.

So Ian created a Warrior Forum WSO to get the word out to other Warrior Forum members who wanted to make gobs of cash for doing almost nothing. Mr. Simpson called it the "Proven and Lazy Way to Make Money Online".

According to Ian Simpson here's how it works in a nutshell:

"All you have to do is give us your keywords and our software finds which keywords will be profitable, then in 2 minutes our software builds great looking Customizsed(sic) and Monitized(sic) websites."

Yes, your keywords and oh yeah, some of your money. But don't worry, Ian has a "100% Money Back GUARANTEE". Just shell out $125, or is it $150, or is it $420 plus $60 per month? Oh it's all so confusing, but folks want that extra $13,000 a month!

There was only one little problem. Like the majority of WSOs offered on the Warrior Forum, Ian Simpson's WSO didn't work----AT ALL!

But wait, Ian assured all his customers there's just a few glitches to fix, then everyone can start making $13,000 a month! Trust him, he says and oh yeah send him more money so he can make the appropriate adjustments. Many folks do just that.

Here's a letter I received from one of Ian Simpson's customers:

Basically what he did after he took an initial payment was say he needed to improve his system and needed more money. It was almost blackmail. Said if we didn’t invest more the sites were dead ducks in the water as they weren’t ranking like they should.

A lot people paid him more money and got no results with it. One of the things was add backlinks. They were never done. I’m in contact with another couple of people on the thread and I’m sure they will back up what I say.

I lost appox $300-$400 all in. I’m sure there are people that lost more, even thousands.

He has now moved on to forex. He is ignoring emails from members and refusing refunds despite offering them in his sales copy.

You can read the entire ten page sorry Warrior Forum Ian Simpson thread. It's still up there although Warrior Forum Fraud Enabler Paul Myers will probably take it down after he reads this article.

The "100% Money Back GUARANTEE"? Ian Simpson didn't honor it. He refused to refund the thousands of dollars he stole from Warrior Forum members. Plus Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers did nothing about Simpson's WSO scam. In fact, Paul Myers still has Ian Simpson listed as a Warrior Forum member in good standing. Here's Ian Simpson's Warrior Forum profile.

I wrote to Ian Simpson to get his side of the story. You see, I discovered there was an Ian Simpson, same name, same age, same home town in England, Hailsham, East Sussex, who had been convicted and jailed for two and a half years in 2001. His crime was perpetuating a huge fraud on England's Value Added Tax system.

This Ian Simpson ran 'seminars' that revealed how to defraud the UK's VAT collection authorities. It was a big deal, in fact one of this Ian Simpson's seminar students, Kenneth Young, admitted defrauding the VAT collection authorities of 2.4million pounds over seven months, obtaining 224,000 pounds from customer companies and stealing a further 290,000 pounds! Kenneth Young was jailed for five years.

Here's a BBC story about the Ian Simpson Kenneth Young Fraud.
Here's another article by Jack Mathieson about the same scam.

So, along with Ian Simpson's explanation about the Warrior Forum WSO scam, I wanted to know if Ian was the same Ian Simpson who defrauded the UK government. He never denied it. He did keep closing and changing email accounts to avoid me but I had current, active email accounts for him, so I know he received my letters.

Like all his Warrior Forum WSO scam victims, all I got from Ian Simpson was silence. What a swell guy.

UPDATE: My interview with Ian Simpson where he explains his actions, newsletters and attorney advice.

Naomi Dunford Spins Lies As Salty Droid Reveals Truth

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Fri, 09 Sep 2011 22:18:00 +0000

Naomi Dunford

A while back, on a Warrior Forum thread, a woman asked for information about highly skilled female internet marketers.

Within the two pages of replies, Tiffany Dow and Naomi Dunford were mentioned.

Tiffany was a great answer because she is a very talented IMer, who provides useful information in an honest and entertaining way. I've mentioned Tiffany Dow on this blog before. Specifically, here and here.

Today, I'm going write about Naomi Dunford. Naomi Dunford was a poor recommendation because she is everything honest folks despise.

Salty Droid exposed scam artists Naomi Dunford and Dave Navarro in a series of well researched and devastating articles published on the brilliant fraud busting website, The Salty Droid.

Salty Droid

If you're not familiar with the Droid's revelations about Naomi Dunford, Dave Navarro, IttyBiz and the entire shit storm in a hornet's nest, you will enjoy catching up here:

Naomi Dunford articles and Dave Navarro articles.

If you wish to read just two articles about Naomi Dunford's true character, read these:

Spider Shit Storm

Naomi Dunford’s Death Threats and Hate Crimes

After enjoying The Droid's expose you will realize there is no doubt Naomi Dunford and her sad sack, pathetic sidekick Dave Navarro are dishonest internet marketers who want to fleece you and the Canada Revenue Agency. However, Naomi's response to Salty Droid's revelations compounds her guilt.

She went on the attack with a disingenuous blog post crafted to gain sympathy from readers who didn't know the true story. In it, Naomi ignored Salty Droid's well documented facts and instead spun a tale about misogyny and death threats on a foundation of a real tragedy that had nothing to do with Naomi Dunford.

Salty Droid issuing death threats and committing hate crimes? LOL, that's an absurd, false implication by a desperate scam artist, Naomi Dunford, who was caught red handed discussing how to steal money from innocent folks and her government's tax collector.

The Salty Droid is a lawyer. He's intelligent, witty and absolutely relentless when exposing frauds like Naomi Dunford. He protects men and women from those who would prey on them. He does it honestly, ethically and legally.

It was a despicably dishonest article by a crooked, deceitful, dirty-dealing, self-proclaimed foul mouthed IM diva, Naomi Dunford that started showing up on websites and blogs run by seemingly nice people like Tori Deaux, Amy Davis Roth and others. Some of these bloggers write about real issues involving actual hate crimes and death threats against innocent women.

Sadly, Tori Deaux, Amy Davis Roth and others were hoodwinked by Naomi Dunford and her lies. It was Naomi's way of deflecting the spotlight away from her sins onto a concocted, cooked-up apocryphal scapegoat, The Droid.

Well The Salty Droid is no one's scapegoat. He has already won with his piquant use of truth, research, facts and integrity. Naomi Dunford has lost but sadly, the important women's issues that Amy Davis Roth and others write so passionately about may have been diminished by Naomi Dunford crying wolf.

Warrior Forum Sucks Comments Tip

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Mon, 01 Aug 2011 02:58:00 +0000

I appreciate all the 'Warrior Forum Sucks' comments. Some posts receive over 100 comments and that's certainly a good thing. Thank you to all my loyal readers including Paul Myers who visits here regularly.

Free speech is welcome at 'Warrior Forum Sucks' so make all the relevant comments you wish.

I notice that many of you do not take advantage of the back linking juice I make available in the comment section. In this post I'll show you how.

There are several options in the drop down menu to sign or name your comment. Look at the picture below.

To get a good back link click the Name/URL option that is highlighted in blue above. After clicking it you will see this:

In the name area you can type in any keyword you want or just type in your name. I don't care. Then type or paste in your website address in the URL box, hit continue then write your comment and post it.

All comments are do follow plus 'Warrior Forum Sucks' is a very popular blog so next time you leave a comment why not receive a great back link instead of just making an anonymous remark?

Many of you leave links in the body section of your comment. That's perfectly OK, I allow that but use this simple line of HTML code when you do that. This will make your website address, YouTube video URL and such, a clickable link.

Obviously I'm not looking for any spam comments. I do moderate all comments in order to block spam and beyond the pale profanity but other than that your comment will be published.

Warrior Forum WSO Crap Will Be Shut Down

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:28:00 +0000

Regular readers of Warrior Forum Sucks know that the Warrior Forum's WSO section is a cesspool of stinking scams, with rare exceptions that float to the top.

Greedy owner Allen Says and his sycophant mod-puppet Paul Myers allow any turd WSO to be offered there, so it's practically impossible to select an honest, effective WSO.

The Warrior Special Offer Forum is a very dangerous place for a consumer and his wallet. There is so much useless crap hawked on the Warrior Forum that good folks, searching for honest marketing advice, lose money there daily.

Here are some official Allen Says, Warrior Forum stickies listed above the WSO section.

... the forum does not review, recommend, or confirm the content of WSOs, and disclaims all responsibility for whether they live up to their promises

...If By Chance You Do Get Scammed By Someone The Problem Is Between You And Them. Not The Forum. Not The MOD's. And Not The Forum Owner.

...You have zero protection in here.

Very reassuring, hey? These rules could be posted above the door to a crack house. Some people keep seeking that magic money making bullet with the zeal of a crackhead looking for his next hit. Allen Says knows this and makes his ill gotten gains from it.

Allen doesn't directly push the crack. He just rents out his building to the drug dealers. There are a couple of honest tenants but the majority are there to sell an inferior product.

Recently Warrior Forum member thesorcerersapprentice started a thread with some suggestions and questions about the WSO section:

'Originally Posted by thesorcerersapprentice
This has led me to consider whether there should be tighter control on how and when WSOs are released to this community. Is it time to put in place some mechanism to ensure that:

a. Products do what they claim?
b. Support mechanisms are in place and able to deal with enquiries?
c. There is a limit to the number of WSOs that any warrior can release within a certain period of time.

Also should all WSOs be submitted to a Senior Warriors Committee for approval first?'

These questions set of a firestorm of commentary on the Warrior Forum. I thought the OP posed some fair questions but I would have gone further.

I believe the Warrior Forum should be held responsible for the damage caused by the WSO section just as Craigslist was held responsible for their Adult Services section.

Warrior Forum member CDarklock chimed in about the WSO problem:

'...the general lack of due diligence and failure to do a good job is normal.'

Again, an honest assessment but not very comforting to WSO buyers, hey?

The OP, thesorcerersapprentice, perhaps displayed too much of his real concern, when he worried the WSO scam machine might disappear, with this response to CDarklock:

'But this is precisely the point of the whole thread...how long can this continue for before someone gets seriously pi****d off and ruins it for everyone?'

CDarklock replies:

'Like, say, by demanding higher standards to release a WSO?

That would ruin it for an awful lot of people, you know.'

Warrior Forum member Johnny Slater comes to the Warrior Forum's defense with this ridiculous comment:

'The Warrior Forum is under NO obligation to the buyers of WSO's as has been stated many many times by Allen.'

Ahh, don't you feel safe shopping there?

To be fair, there were a couple of honest comments. One was from Warrior Forum member Fernando Veloso:

'Some WSO's are clearly bad, and a couple posts after the sales page you understand it right away.

There was this one, a couple weeks ago selling "illegal" licenses of software... and when he got caught red handed, he just said "ok, I'll replace the illegal software for a link for a illegal download"...

So, yeah, some things to adjust in there.'

And Kneb Knebaih said:

'I think that we should have some kind of common sense and ethic "moderation" in place...I´d say that just 1% live up to its claims...So yes, I think there is clearly some things that need improvement, some kind of moderation has to take place here. I understand that this forum is a goldmine to owners, but ethics should be ABOVE and before money...I have many friends in other respected forums, even some owners of famous and well respected marketing forums, and everytime we speak about WSOs and the Warrior Forum in general they laughed at, big time.'

When Craigslist Hos were getting robbed, attacked and murdered, Craigslist tried to justify their actions by saying they were just a classified ads publisher. They turned their heads, washed their hands, collected the ad revenue and said they had no responsibility. 'Caveat emptor' they cried.

The Warrior Forum and many of it's greedy members use the same argument. It didn't fly at Craigslist (they shut down their adult services section) and it won't fly at the Warrior Forum. Thousands of good folks are being fleeced and scammed by the WSO section.

Whether it's a Government investigation by the Federal Trade Commission and/or Attorney General or just word of mouth, the Warrior Forum WSO Scam Machine will come tumbling down.

I wonder if the warden will allow Allen Says to smoke Cuban cigars in his prison cell?

Warrior Forum Sucks Thread On Warrior Forum!

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Mon, 23 May 2011 11:00:00 +0000

A Warrior Forum Sucks Fan started a thread about our popular blog on the Warrior Forum! We've been mentioned on the Warrior Forum before but this was revealing because the Warrior Forum member stated that he found our little publication humorous and that he was a fan. Do you think his free expression was allowed to stand?

He was censored of course, then banned from the Warrior Forum. Paul Myers did the dirty work. However, a cached version of the Warrior Forum thread is still available. If you're not sure what a cached version of a webpage is, here are two articles that will explain it to you.

Cached Pages

Access Cached Versions of Webpages When a Website is Down

So, Paul Myers' censorship notwithstanding, let's take a look at the thread.


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Pretty cool hey? However, Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers didn't think so. This thread caused Myers to get his man panties in a bunch. Although the above thread show's our fan, 'usernames suck' to be an active Warrior Forum member, that is the cached version, a snapshot Google took of the page before Paul Myers went on his censorship rampage.

If we look at the 'usernames suck' Warrior Forum profile page we see that our fan has been banned.

So now let's look at the last 8 visitors to our fan's Warrior Forum profile page.

As Gomer would say, 'Surprise, surprise!', Paul Myers was one of the last visitors to our fan's Warrior Forum profile page before he was banned.

I don't know who our fan is but he seems to be associated with BlogthingsDot, so I'll give him a link.

Here is the a link to the cached version of the Warrior Forum Sucks thread on the Warrior Forum. The one Paul Myers hoped you'd never see.

Warrior Forum Paul Myers Nasty Piece Of Work

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Sun, 22 May 2011 20:37:00 +0000

Recently a Warrior Forum member left an anonymous comment on the Warrior Forum Suck's article, Paul Myers Secret Email Messages, that perfectly sums up Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers' character.

I wish he left his real name so I could thank him but I understand his desire to remain anonymous. Free speech is not allowed on the Warrior Forum, that's an indisputable fact. However, many Warrior Forum members fear retribution from Paul Myers and Allen Says even for speaking freely on a blog that does allow freedom of expression.

The comment is so good that I wanted to bring it the forefront of Warrior Forum Sucks so more people would read it. Therefore I placed it in this post.

He wrote:

'Oh Paul Myers is a nasty piece of work!

I spotted a couple of WSO scams and Myers posted that he wanted me to PM the evidence.

Unfortunatley[sic] he didn't say "please", his message seemed like an order to me so I replied saying I had decided not to provide him with any information as it was his job as a moderator to ensure that scams were dealt with.

Next time I tried to log in I found myself banned.'

That is one of the best descriptions of Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers I have ever read.

Paul Myers Secret Email Messages

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Wed, 04 May 2011 18:00:00 +0000

Paul Myers with Ladyfriend

Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers is a staunch opponent of free speech. He prowls the Warrior Forum searching for innocent members who have the gall to speak truthfully on his watch.

Myers is a sad, pathetic character who helps Allen Says keep his scam machine rolling along, fleecing folks just trying to earn a buck online. Paul Myers uses bullying and censorship to accomplish this.

In this article, I'll use Paul Myers' words, including his own emails and private messages that he hoped you would never read. They will reveal a man of very low character.

One of the first things Paul Myers does to silence free speech on the Warrior Forum is bullying with insults. Here's a thread started by a Warrior Forum member complaining about the flood of crap products offered.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/315504-flood-crap-offers-market.html

77 Warrior Forum members thanked the OP for bringing this truth to light. The vast majority of responses were supportive and approbative. Paul Myers was not. He told the readers to "screw complaining about it here".

Although Myers edited some of the thread, he did not delete it entirely. I humbly take some of the credit for this. Paul knows I'm watching him like a hawk. He has been pilloried and exposed on this blog to such a degree that he is now a laughingstock. I have also revealed the truth about Allen Says, owner of the Warrior Forum. Allen's tired of being described as a scam artist and opponent of free speech so he ordered his mod-puppet Myers to tone it down.

Another bullying tactic Paul Myers employs is threatening to shut down an internet user's internet service! He does not have the authority or power to do this but he likes some to believe he does. He actually has sent letters to internet service providers trying to get them to close a Warrior Forum member's internet service. Talk about censorship! These missives are typically full of lies but Paul wouldn't let the truth stop him from attacking free speech.

Here's a copy of one of Paul Myers' emails to an ISP:

Subject:
Abuse and harassment from one of your customers

Message:
Someone using the username "FirstInGoogle" signed up at the
Warrior Forum today, and started posting in the thread at
http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topic-forum/236459-john-reese-
sold-all-his-stuff-really-not-joke-2.html

This person either is, or is pretending to be, one Markus
Allen, who has been banned under several other usernames from
the same forum. The bans were for the same behavior, which is
in violation of the rules of that forum.

Mr Allen has a multi-year track record of making the kinds of
statements he made in that thread, but that's between him and
his target. As a moderator of the forum in question, my role
is to keep out people who have been banned for behavior that
is against the rules and is considered destructive to the
forum as a whole.

I am also not particularly thrilled with this person's actions
(whether Mr Allen or someone impersonating him) in accusing me
of being a thief, without cause or presentation of evidence.

The owner of the forum and at least one other moderator have
banned him. He, or someone pretending to be him, continues to
create user accounts and harass our members and moderator
staff. He accessed http://www.warriorforum.com from IP address
174.59.192.171 on Monday, at 11:39 PM EST.

This person created the account using the email address
markusallen [at] gmail.com for receipt of the confirmation message.

Please have a chat with whoever this person is, and explain to
them that being banned from a forum and returning to do the
same things you've been told not to do is considered to be
particularly bad netiquette?

If a warning is all it takes to keep him out of the Warrior
Forum, I'm quite happy with that. I suspect it will have to
come from you, though, as we've warned him numerous times, to
no avail. His respect for the wishes of the owners of virtual
property seems somewhat lacking.

Thank you for your time and assistance in this matter.

Paul Myers
paul@talkbiz.com

That's the type of man Paul Myers is. But there's more.

The following emails stem from John Delavera's Warrior Forum post about the proliferation of scummy, dishonest, scam internet marketing offers. The OP was thanked 188 times! It addresses the Syndicate tactics of IM gurus Frank Kern, Andy Jenkins, Brad Fallon, Dan Kennedy, Mike Koenigs, et al. Actual names aren't mentioned because the Warrior Forum prohibits that practice no matter how egregious a scam artist's fraud was.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/318743-open-letter-dont-you-feel-ashamed-yourself.html

Because of pressure from Warrior Forum Sucks blog and others, Paul Myers did not delete the post. The thread is worth reading because it addresses the very real problem of dishonesty and fraud in internet marketing.

It's seven pages long but if you peruse it pay close attention to what John Delavera, Patrick Pretty (who enters on p.3, #104) and several others have to say on this topic. Patrick Pretty makes several compelling and convincing comments in the thread.

Wagenheim

Robert Puddy, Steven Wagenheim and other Warrior Forum asswipes show their true colors with ridiculous, weak arguments in support of the scam artists. It's good fun reading the nonsense these dolts spew.

Paul Myers also supports the scam artists. Trying to make sense of his convoluted reasoning will make your head spin with disgust.

But back to the initial reason I mentioned that Warrior Forum thread. Paul Myers' secret emails. After reading these you will have a clearer picture of the Warrior Forum 'Hammer Dropper' Paulie Myers.

It began with another WF member named Mark who commented in the thread. Earlier Mark had been unfairly banned by the Warrior Forum so he posted under a new account. Here's what he said:

Re: Open letter: Don't you feel ashamed of yourself?
You have a point John but...

Although many of us, copywriters included are absolutely sick to the back teeth of these kind of products... it has to be stated that the only reason we're seeing so many of them lately is precisely because the so called gurus have been promoting this kind of garbage, for a very long time now.

They promise the earth but never deliver the full goods. The full, complete picture. They always leave the naive newbies hanging on for more information to make their picture, their work plan complete. Dangling the proverbial carrot knowing that if they don't include the full schebang, they can always extract more money on the upsell.

And for a long time, they've been promising this system, that system and every which other way system, promising easy cash.

"Hey, look at how much money this product has made for me at the touch of a button. You can do this too, just sit back, do nothing, click a mouse 3 times and just watch the money pouring into your account."

Is it any wonder that so many lately have jumped onto this bandwagon, thinking that they too can put together similarly crap products, promise the earth but actually delivering little?

And so the snowball has grown as it rolled on downhill upon it's merry way.

Every month gaining more and more momentum as more and more people think to themselves, 'Hey! I could do with a slice of this pie'. Easy money.

Wey hey! Whack up an offer, paint up the sales letter to make it sound like the Queen's silver and deliver a bag of horse manure. Who gives a sh*t? That seems to be the common theme running these days through this industry.

So where is the blame to be laid for this remarkable downturn in the quality of Internet marketing products over the past year or two?

The gurus? Forums such as this one for accepting any WSO willy nilly? Or the new breed of marketers and young people who just want their own slice of the action?

It is what it is this situation.

Massive promises have been made.

I've seen your name too John in the testimonial boxes of many a product online. Countless times. So, what do you propose is to be done about it?

As far as I can see the situation... the snowball effect has now gained so much speed that it's bringing the entire industry into disrepute.

Everyone is getting more and more skeptical of the next latest thing to hit the market. Who can you trust these days? Where is the market heading? Can this situation be allowed to continue and if so, how precisely is that change for the better going to be accomplished?

And where should this change of direction come from?

The so called gurus perhaps? I highly doubt they'll be willing to do this after so many of their get rich quick schemes have failed to deliver. How many of them have their credibility left intact?

The Warrior Forum - Allen Says? I can't speak for him, that's his decision.

The buying public? Demanding better quality products?

Some association responsible for cleaning up this market? Getting rid of all the BS, the lies, the scams? A trust benchmark perhaps assuring high quality standards?

What is the answer? What is the solution?

Who got us into this diabolical mess in the first place? Where such high levels of distrust exist today.

People can offer opinion on this, that and the other, moan until the cows come home. Bitch, rant, throw hissy fits left, right and center but I highly doubt it'll still make one iota of difference whilst at the very core of Internet marketing... such scams are still allowed en mass to perpetuate the marketplace.

What is the solution? One does need to be found and fast to turn this downward spiral of despair around and upwards once more.

Although I suspect nothing will be done about it at all.

It'll carry on upon it's merry way for a long time to come. Spurious offers with little to no substance, promising the earth and delivering diddly fat squat.

So, what's new?

Where can this positive change for the better emanate from?

How do you control it's future destiny, this business sector?

Paul Myers did not appreciate these comments. Here is his response:

01-23-2011, 02:45 AM
Paul Myers
Zen Redneck
War Room Member

Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 9,943
Thanks: 578
Thanked 4,710 Times in 1,278 Posts

Default Sorry, Sally...
... YOU do not get to bash. Not "gurus" and not anyone else, unless you're addressing them directly in a conversation. And then you want to tread lightly.

Paul

Mark fired back:

Why apologise?

Your perception might have been that it was a 'bash' Paul - (your interpretation, not mine)... my reply was more designed to ask lots of questions without ridiculing anyone in particular.

If you can't see that by now this entire Internet marketing industry needs one hell of a boot up the arse, well, I find that rather surprising.

I don't mind you deleting the post at all. I knew it would probably have you on my ass but I thought the risk worth taking... all things considered.

However, it is odd that of all the replies on the thread, the discussion going backwards and forwards with one or two arguments you choose to delete my comments? (Rhetorical)

Another quick point, you tripped yourself up Paul in one of your replies in the high 60's on p2, a bit of a contradiction to one of your comments from the summer of last year.

In that comment last summer you very clearly stated that the WF has been a major player in the IM arena although your lastest comment as just now pointed out seems to contradict your point back then.

Anyway, 'tis all hot air anyway. I'm pretty cheerful today, busily writing at 90mph. How's your Sunday going? Do you ever get out of the house? You know, one day you should fly over here and I'll take you out fishing on my boat for the day. You need to chill out more.

Keep your chin up, stay positive.

Mark

Paul was so steamed he fired off the following private messages/emails (Mark's replies included).

Private Message: Re: Sorry, Sally...
01-23-2011, 04:14 AM
Paul Myers
Zen Redneck
War Room Member

Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 9,944
Thanks: 578
Thanked 4,710 Times in 1,278 Posts

Default Re: Sorry, Sally...
Yes, I can see that a lot of the industry needs a severe boot to the head. I can also see that you have a habit of starting out mildly and building up into making nasty comments that escalate. You don't get to do that under a fake name. Not when I know it's fake.

There are productive ways to address the problem, and then there's random griping. I'm all for the productive approaches. The generic bitchfests just chase people away, and accomplish nothing useful.

All of that aside, you - personally - do not get to be negative. I'm breaking a rule by not nuking you as soon as I knew who you were. If you start down the road that led to your being banned previously, this time it will be me that does it.

By the way... If you don't get how the two comments on the relative significance of the forum fit together, that's a problem. But it's not my problem. I don't very much care.

Paul
There are things you need to know to succeed online
Get them here - free

Mark replied:

Oh for petes sake Paul, there was nothing 'nasty' in my comments whatsoever.

That's just your own twisted logic jumping to false conclusions.

Seriously mate, it get really old when you constantly put emotion into words that are simply not there.

You've got the wrong end of the stick. (again)

I'm in a well good, happy mood - things here are going very well. I'm not in the mood to hear negativity whatsoever from you, seriously.

Like I said, it just gets really, really old, the same old record being played over and over and over again.

As I said, you need to get out more, get a life, enjoy yourself more, let your hair down. All this preaching at other people telling them how they should be all the time, treating others like we're in kindergarten school, it's laughable.

Blimey!

Myers was becoming unhinged:

Private Message: Re: Sorry, Sally...
01-23-2011, 04:30 AM
Paul Myers
Zen Redneck
War Room Member

Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 9,944
Thanks: 578
Thanked 4,710 Times in 1,278 Posts

Default Re: Sorry, Sally...
I didn't say nasty. I said negative.

As far as your opinion of me, I don't really care much either way. It seems to change based on whatever is convenient to say at the moment, so it hasn't much meaning. If you start to sound like the old version of you, though, the new version of you will be gone.

Do what you want with that. It's up to you.

Paul
There are things you need to know to succeed online
Get them here - free

Mark continued to needle and toy with Paul:

You are mistaken, you said nasty Paul, in this context...

I quote, "I can also see that you have a habit of starting out mildly and building up into making nasty comments that escalate."

The only one being 'nasty' today Paul is you. It's certainly not me.

Just because I won't take your bullying lying down doesn't mean I'll allow you to take pot shots at me just because the fancy takes you or the fact that John has gotten underneath your skin.

Simply because I reply to you doesn't mean I'm being anything but reasonable towards you.

Although quite likely, if I was to meet you down the pub and you started out being this silly, here you would be sat down on very hard for being so ridiculous, absurd, frankly rude and altogether not making a hell of a lot of sense.

That isn't rude, it's just the way it is. It's called being truthful.

I won't take your bullying at my age in my mid forties, full stop.

This is just getting more and more childish by the minute.

Have a great day Paul.

Mark

Paul Myers steps up his bullying even as he was falling apart:

Private Message: Re: Sorry, Sally...
01-23-2011, 05:14 AM
Paul Myers
Zen Redneck
War Room Member

Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 9,944
Thanks: 578
Thanked 4,710 Times in 1,278 Posts

Default Re: Sorry, Sally...
Yes, I did say that. But it was about where you tend to go, not where you'd been. The relevant comment to which I'm referring is: "All of that aside, you - personally - do not get to be negative."

Oh... and I did say "bash." That was guru bashing in that post, as I see it. Annoying because it was expressed as an all-inclusive statement, rather than being limited to the folks who employ the deceptive practices to which you referred.

I've let you get away with something no-one else here would have - keeping this account. If you don't like that, you are free to leave. If you don't behave properly, the account will be banned. That's not bulltying. That's enforcing the rules.

In bars, I don't have to bother with enforcing the rules. Different environment altogether, in case that wasn't obvious.

Paul
There are things you need to know to succeed online
Get them here - free

Mark signs out, thinking Myers has run out of foolish things to say:

You're just goading me Paul but it's not working.

I'm having a fantastic day here, what a shame though that you're obviously not and lashing out with a temper tantrum every two minutes.

As I said, this is just getting old and most frightfully boring.

Enjoy your weekend, whats left of it. Go for a walk, get some fresh air, do something productive to clear the cobwebs from your mind.

You've obviously got a major problem, whatever the dickens that is, stop projecting it onto me.

Mark

But it's not over! Paul Myers then proceeds to threaten and warn Mark for thanking other people's comments on the above mentioned Warrior Forum post. Was Myers on his sixth Jack Daniels when he wrote this?

01-31-2011, 03:33 AM
Paul Myers

Zen Redneck
War Room Member

Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 10,049
Thanks: 591
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Default The last straw
Mark,

This is the one and only time I have ever warned anyone about a "Thank you." It fits with what I said to you last week: You do not get to be negative here. Not in any way, shape or form.

You, personally, do not get to complain, criticize, gripe, bitch, or mutter under your breath about anything here. You are the one and only person ever to be put into that position.

You are a trespasser, and I haven't yet "called the cops."

You may have two syllables to reply. (That should cover it.) Every syllable after that gets you a week's worth of banning. Go over 6 syllables, and you're gone for good, along with every account you create that I identify as being you, or suspect might be you, for as long as I or anyone I've trained or modded with here has any connection with the place.

I warned you, Mark. I broke the rules to let you have a second chance. You've hit the limit.

By the way... email me on this and it counts as 200 syllables. I'm done playing your stupid games.

Paul

That dear reader, in his own words, is the real Warrior Forum moderator, Mr. Paul Myers.

James Malinchak Empty Head, Empty House Wants To Empty Your Wallet

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:07:00 +0000

Recently Salty Droid exposed James Malinchak as "a scammer. A dark :: horrible :: lying :: scheming :: life destroying :: money stealing :: back stabbing :: asshole scammer".

Read my review of Salty Droid.

Jimmy didn't appreciate the Droid's biting wit and well researched corn holing. So, one day, while flossing with .018 gauge steel E guitar string in his empty bathroom, Jim came up with a plan to fight back.

He asked his lawyers at Lavely and Singer to send a threatening letter, not to the Droid, but to Tom Antion! It's all explained in the Salty Droid's Malinchak response. Read it now.

The Droid writes one of the best blogs online. He is smart, fearless and witty. He has bitched slapped Mark Shurtleff, corrupt AG of Utah, so he's not about to back down from a scammer like James Malinchak.

UPDATE! The James Malinchak Scam

Warrior Forum WSO Plagiarism 101

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:26:00 +0000

A Warrior Forum WSO was recently offered by Suzi Phillips, aka spiderweb on the Warrior Forum. Suzi offered it but she didn't create it...she stole it from another marketer and tried to pass it off as her own.

Tip of the hat to 'Disappointed Warrior Forum member' Martin for this gem. Seems Suzi wanted to make some money on the Warrior Forum without having to do any actual work. She used the Imran Naseem marketing formula, plagiarism. At least Rehash King Imran Naseem attempted to hide his thefts with rewriting, Suzi Phillips just copied another person's WSO almost verbatim!

Here's Martin's report:

Hi, this is Martin (a disappointed member of the WF)

A WF member called spiderweb post a WSO at WSO section of the warrior forum. This wouldn´t be surprising at all if she rewrote the wso she stole... She actually copied(several of them) word by word! (This is way worse than Imran´s shit!)

Here´s spiderweb´s WSO.

Here is one of the WSO spiderweb copied shamelessly.

The user noangel exposed this fraud, here´s her quote:

"I have now had an opportunity to go through the videos and was very surprised to find
that not only were all the methods very familiar, but I have in fact bought them before as
WSOs from other Warriors. I won't give the original author's names unless I'm requested
to do so by the Mods.

For example:

METHOD 2

Purchased ver batim on 8 July 2010.
The WSO was called "$350 in 15 Minutes"

METHOD 3

Purchased word for word on 2 December 2010
The WSO was called "How To Make $297 Daily From Ebay - 2nd Edition".

METHOD 4

Again word for word, purchased 14 Aug 2010
The WSO was called "$700/day with CPA"

Are you claiming all these as your original work, because there is nothing you
are offering that I have not either seen, or purchased on this forum before.

I am now going to do something that's very, very rare for me...

I am requesting a refund, merely because I already own the material."

The last post of the WSO shows several members disappointed with their purchased and saying that the method are beautiful...IN THEORY!

Another thing that surprised me is how several warriors were defending spiderweb. I mean come on she clearly copied those WSO... How Can they defend that? I am extremely disappointed of the warrior forum and its members.

Thanks and I hope you expose this fraud at the WFS.

Thanks again

Martin

Later Martin sent me this update about spiderweb's plagiarism scam:

Looks like Mario Gomes discovered that spiderweb stole his WSO and repost it as her own.

Here´s his quote(Mario):

I would like to ask you who gave you the permission to sell your "METHOD 2"

The WSO was called "How To Make $297 Daily From Ebay - 2nd Edition".

and here is spiderweb´s WSO.

It is so disappointing how many warriors are defending this shameless thief... this is the "decadence" of the warrior forum LIVE!

Thanks again

Martin

If you read the last several posts in spiderwebs' WSO thread you'll notice many Warrior Forum members mention that the WSO just doesn't work. With Andrew Tudor's aka Dave Rivera's aka Monta's recent WSO scam confession, it's easy to see that the Warrior Forum is a very dangerous place for any marketer to spend money.

Warrior Forum Scammer Confesses Without Remorse

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:57:00 +0000

Recently a Warrior Forum member who goes by the name Andrew Tudor (and possibly Dave Rivera, aka Monta on the Warrior Forum) actually confessed in great detail how he uses the Warrior Forum to scam and rip off unsuspecting Warrior Forum members.

It's a real eye opener explained on Eric's Tips marketing blog. Go there and discover the under belly of Warrior Forum marketing frauds.

It tells the story of Paul Counts getting scammed by Andrew Tudor. Eric Holmlund reveals the details of the scam, variation of the scam, Paul Counts' plea to the scammer as well as the scammer's confession.

I'm not familiar with Eric Holmlund but I was impressed with his article exposing Andrew Tudor's Warrior Forum scam.

I was not impressed to discover Mike Filsaime posing as a Knight in Shining Armor, riding to the rescue by cashing in some chits with his PayPal contacts. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! It's like a Flim Flam man offering to save the world from a Grifter.

It seems Holmlund is also fast friends with Brad Fallon, another unsavory internet marketer, but the article is a good read. Check it out here, Eric's Tips Scammer Exposes Himself.

Warrior Forum Dances To New Tune

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Tue, 15 Mar 2011 00:28:00 +0000

Paul Myers Puppet

The impact Warrior Forum Sucks has had on the despicable, corrupt and dishonest practices on the Warrior Forum has been remarkable. Our work is not done. Censorship and scamming still occur there daily.

However, we have exposed Allen Says and Paul Myers to be morally corrupt and dishonest censors while revealing the vomit-inducing sycophantic behavior of spineless, kiss-ass Warrior Forum members like Steven Wagenheim, John Durham, et al, all while rooting out Warrior Forum fraud artists like Frank Kern, Harlan Kilstein, AJ Silvers, Andy Jenkins, Jeff Walker, Kevin Bidwell and so many more.

As one of my Warrior Forum tipsters wrote, '...apparently Allen Says agrees with you!'. He was referring to Allen Says' post where he wrote:

'Now I know why many people on this forum remind me of flies. Flies are attracted to sh*t. What's with all these completely useless threads on here that have nothing at all to do with money?'
admin Allen

Paul Myers, Warrior Forum owner Allen Says' puppet moderator, has become a laughingstock in internet marketing circles. Of course it's his own fault. He's responsible for his bad behavior. I just expose it to the world.

Myers used to get away with his bullying Warrior Forum censorship. Those days are over and he knows it. He's much more reluctant to play the bully. He realizes I'll bitch slap him when he gets out of line. He's my puppet now.

Poor Paul isn't completely cured though, as we see in this recent post by ryanjm on the BackLinksForum. Ryanjm compares free speech on the Warrior Forum to the turmoil in the Middle East.

Also, the deleted thread I can _maybe_ understand...except it was worded exactly how this is. It's not so much stirring up trouble as pointing out (as many have here) that there is a "Wild West" feeling over there in the WSO section and any dissent is quickly stamped out...it's like Egypt up until a month ago Also, the negative review I posted was in the actual sales thread, where it was supposed to be. I spent a decent amount of time writing it and didn't make wild accusations or anything, but it was summarily deleted with no clue it ever even existed. Think about that the next time you see a WSO and don't see any negative reviews.

We're the Warrior Forum Watchdog, your humble correspondent along with you, our loyal Warrior Forum Sucks readers. The Warrior Forum will either mend its evil ways or die a slow death. Keep sending your Warrior Forum tips by clicking the 'Contact Me' button at the top of the right column. Thank you.

AJ Silvers Warrior Forum's Sergeant Bilko - Another WSO Comes Crashing Down

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Tue, 01 Feb 2011 02:51:00 +0000

Phil Silvers as Sgt Bilko

The Warrior Forum has AJ Silvers, the Sergeant Bilko TV show had Phil Silvers. The CBS Classic sit com ran in the late 1950's, AJ Silvers runs scam WSOs in 2010-11. For those unfamiliar with The Phil Silvers Show, here's Museum.tv's take:

"The program's 138 episodes trace the minor victories and misfortunes of the scheming, fast-talking Master Sergeant Ernie Bilko (Phil Silvers), head of the motor pool at the mythical U.S. army station of Fort Baxter in Roseville, Kansas. In his relentless pursuit of personal gain and physical comfort, Bilko attempts to manipulate those around him through the selective use of flattery, false naïveté, pulling rank, and a canny ability to identify and stimulate desires, weaknesses and emotions in others. Although his reputation for masterful chicanery is well known around the base, the other characters in the show prove no match for Bilko's complex mental designs and are ultimately unable to avoid following the course of action he desires."

Although Sergeant Bilko was a fast talking con man, in the end his humanity always shined through. As Museum.tv put it:

"Aside from money and favors won in poker games and elaborate rackets, however, Bilko never benefits at the expense of others. Faced with innocent victims, the Sergeant's conscience kicks in and he expends every mental resource to resolve the problem. Bilko's one redeeming moral quality, therefore, is his heart of gold, which prevents him both from truly prospering or losing his humanity."

This is not the case with the Warrior Forum's Sergeant Bilko, aka, AJ Silvers. Here's an interesting tip I received about this WSO swindler:

AJ Silvers

There's a piece of shit on Warrior Forum named AJ Silvers who is acting as a coach who guaranteed that he would produce a "50K Business" in his coaching program back in October and would be filming all videos in real time for his students in a look-over-shoulder scenario over 3 months.

Basically he had 2 coaching programs he opened in October and didn't deliver on either. There was a '50K Guaranteed' WSO and a '2K in 30 Days' WSO.

All his students are irate. He delivers some useless sh*t content and then disappears for a week and the finally comes back and posts a video about how sick he is and how he couldn't get things done. The trend continued for 3 months.

He delivered on nothing! This piece of shit makes Imran Naseem seem like a saint in comparison.

If you post about this guy's BS and hyped up sales copy and being really nothing more than a scam artist, maybe it'll help spread enough negative vibe so that people will no longer deal with him. His reputation on Warrior is in tatters. We would like to see him get removed from Warrior permanently since all he's done is promise the world to a lot of honest folk and delivered on nothing! His BS WSOs are here:

AJ Silver WSO thread 1
AJ Silver WSO thread 2

As you read page after page of AJ Silver's Warrior Forum WSO threads you will witness a WSO birth, short life and ultimately, ignominious death. No mourners, just plenty of irate customers screaming for refunds.

It starts off like any other Warrior Forum WSO. Lots of false praise, naive excitement, phony testimonials, hurry, time is running out bullshit and the like.

Keep reading or fast forward the thread to the final couple of pages. After all, AJ Silvers used this bold red screaming headline in his WSO offer, Don't Take My Word For It - Listen To My Current Students.

You'll discover gems like these from his current students:

AJ,
I suggest you visit your forum for the members who signed up for this coaching program... the natives are getting restless!

and this one:

If you are reading this and tempted to fall for this guys talk, that's all you're going to get. He can't walk the walk. Frankly, he's a thief. I say that because he has an entire group of folks enrolled for the 90 days to 50k program [advertised above]. He won't even show up-he drops a few lines whining about all the happenings in his life and moves on. I have been a member for One Month and along with the others, have gotten ZERO.

I had to file a PayPal dispute against him today. AJ, I hope the entire class files PayPal disputes against you because you're a scam artist who's afraid to face the music after you fell out at the beginning of this class. I'm very surprised that your previous class hasn't posted about you, also, since they are posting negative about you on your forum.

You need to stop tweeting all the daily quotes because you're not taking your own medicine. Shame on you!

and this one:

AJ,

I PM'd you for a refund for the 4 Figures in 30 days program more than a week ago.

Please advise on what is happening please.

Thank you.

and this one from a couple of weeks ago:

AJ? How long is Your refund list? Am I somewhere on that list? Just to remind You - I asked for refund on November last year... You said - no problem, 1-2 weeks....................

and

...Seems like AJ has never coached before and he couldn't handle it. He ran 2 coaching programs simultaneously and both are a bust.

and

You folks need to turn around and run from this guy. I, along with 200 or so other people paid this guy $97 for his 'coaching program'. He WON'T even show up! People have been posting on the forum for over a month trying to get the guy to just show up and do what he said he would do. He is a crook and this whole 'coaching' thing is a total scam. Run!

I wish some of the previous people that had also gotten ripped off by him had posted something instead of walking away silently. I hate liars and scams and that's what he is.

So there you have it. Another Warrior Forum WSO comes crashing down. AJ Silver gives some lame excuses very similar to fraudster Kevin Bidwell's after he left his customers high, dry and broke but excuses don't pay the rent.

Interestingly, The Phil Silvers TV Show was originally titled "You'll Never Get Rich". That would be an appropriate title for AJ Silvers' next WSO, coming soon to the Warrior Forum.

Warrior Forum's Caleb Spilchen Reveals How To Make Big Money Like He Does?

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 20:00:00 +0000

'I am a coach!'

Caleb Spilchen father figure and Warrior Forum censor Paul Myers regularly cracks down on free speech so that no criticism of the plethora of WSO scam products will interrupt WF owner Allen Says' gravy train.

I received a tip from Warrior Forum member Terry that demonstrated how corrupt, unreasonable and unfair the Warrior Forum's anti-free speech policy can be.

It seems Caleb Spilchen was pushing a coaching program on the Warrior Forum. Hey nothing wrong with that, right? A successful marketing coach won't hesitate to provide proof of his awesome methods and techniques, correct?

Well, in Caleb's situation, it didn't exactly play out that way. Thank God boy blogger Caleb had Paul Myers come to his rescue. Paul figured if an inexperienced child blogger wanted to coach others how to make thousands (of pennies) like he does, well by golly he wasn't going to let a little thing like proof of income stand in the way of Allen Says receiving more ill-gotten gains.

According to Terry here's how it went down:

Hi,

I really enjoy your blog.

I don't know whether this is juicy or not but last week I was banned for a day when I stated on Caleb's WSO that he "had some balls for promoting a coaching program" with no proof of income.

I got a pm from him in my pm box telling me to withdraw the comment.

When I attempted to respond to tell him where to go I discovered I was banned.

When another guy had raised the same issue in the thread and that he had no proof of income, miraculously Steve Wagenheim and a few others appear to say how nice a young man Caleb was.

I pointed out I didn't give a shit how nice he was to his mother..I just wanted to see proof of income and was banned!

Terry

P.S. Keep up the good work.

There you have it. Just another example of how speech is suppressed so scams will proliferate on the Warrior Forum.

John Durham Telemarketing Web Design Flim Flam

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:17:00 +0000

It's John Durham calling

I have a backlog of great Warrior Forum material sent to me as tips from loyal Warrior Forum Sucks readers. These tips include exposes on embarrassing behavior by Allen Says, Paul Myers and others. Today we'll learn more about Warrior Forum member and telemarketing dirt bag John Durham.

John has been feverishly posting comments here ever since I mentioned his lack of principles (which he proudly mentioned on the Warrior Forum) in an article I wrote about Warrior Forum scam artist Kevin Bidwell.

Ashley from gotchance.com wrote this about John Durham's website development scam:

I don't know if this is even worthy of bringing to your attention, but I was pretty offended by this post by the ass-hat John Durham - I thought it might be interesting to point out:

http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-marketing-discussions/295868-newbies-read-how-y-o-u-can-make-50k-nothing-zero-html-knowledge.html

Take a little look at the post and his responses. I have been into web design for 10 years now, so it certainly got my attention. He is bringing the art of web design to shame, and I think it's pretty damn offensive.

Not only that, but the idea of selling a Homestead site for as much as $399 PLUS $25 per month is just ludicrous (plus the monthly expense on top of the already too-high price tag? Who knows how this guy's head works...). Why the heck are people praising the junk he posts.. it's unbelievable?

I think what Mr Durham is proposing in this thread is basically: how to scam the shit out of someone. It's as if it doesn't matter to him that the clients get trash while paying a price that'd actually get them a decent website elsewhere. It's not much different from selling someone a fake Rolex for the price of a real one.

He makes it so so much worse with a variety of ridiculous statements, some being hilariously false, and some being insulting to professional web designers.

"When I started I knew nothing, had never even touched a typewriter" - Unlikely, unless he has lived in a cave since birth (although, this would explain some things).

"There is a product that has been selling like mad since the internet began" "Its called an html website." - Idiotic statement.

"Experts might tell you that HTML sites are passe, and that these programs dont work... but the truth is that half the sites on the internet are made with them..." - Experts think HTML is passe? It's not like it's still the backbone of basically ANY website or anything. [Seriously starting to realize that this guy is making most of this shit up as he goes along]

"Experts might also tell you you need to know this and that and this and that..." - As in, the actual skills necessary for professional web design worthy of the price tag you're proposing, John? Absolutely.

There are many others - the length of his posts in this thread for expressing such a simple, bullshit idea is funny as well. What is this guy trying to do? I don't know how this c@!* gets out of bed in the morning.

Warrior Special Offers Forum Scams Swindle Victims With Paul Myers' Help

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:38:00 +0000

Regular readers of this blog know that the Warrior Special Offers Forum, a sub forum of the Warrior Forum, is infested with fraudulent products. Frauducts whose sole purpose is to scam unsuspecting folks of their hard earned dollars.

It costs $40 to list a WSO and more dough to bump the WSO. This scam machine is Warrior Forum owner Allen Says' cash cow.

Here are some titles of these scam offerings:

"make $3,000 per month with a simple Facebook account"

"465 dollars in 4 hours"

"$25 and less than 1 hour worth of work, replaced my weekly salary"

"$2,000 in 30 minutes? No way"

"$2,550 in One Week..double money guarantee"

You get the picture. Unsuspecting noobs and naive marketers click on these misleading WSO titles and join a discussion about the amazing, new discovery.

The author of the WSO chimes in with his puffery and lies to whip the noobs into a frenzy. He enlists the help of his marketing friends to spew false, phony testimonials (with the promise he'll do the same for their WSO scams).

Here's where it gets interesting. Inevitably, a Warrior Forum member will ask a fair, honest question because something seems amiss. His comment or question will be deleted and he will be banned if he persists in asking reasonable questions.

Another experienced marketer might recognize the WSO as nothing more than a rehashed version of something readily available elsewhere online free. His post will be deleted and he will be banned if he doesn't shut up.

Another member might mention that he knows for a fact that the WSO does not work as advertised and try to prevent his fellow members from being ripped off. His comment will be deleted and he will be banned from the Warrior Forum if he continues to interfere with the scam.

These are the facts folks. Unlike a WSO sales page, there is no exaggeration in what I write. It is 100% truthful and it occurs daily on the Warrior Forum.

The Warrior Forum clamps down on free speech, not for the false reasoning Paul Myers spits out there, but for the singular purpose of keeping the scam machine going so owner Allen Says can line his pockets will ill gotten gains.

Here's how the censorship works. On each Warrior Forum thread there is a 'sticky' that any member can use to moderate or flag a posting. These 'sticky' warnings go to a head moderator like Paul Myers who will then censor any dissenting voice that threatens to derail a WSO scam.

Although once in a blue moon a useful WSO is offered, the overwhelming majority of them are pure crap puffed up with false advertising, phony testimonials and a censorship policy that prohibits any honest discourse about the WSO offering.

Save your money. Stay away from WSOs.

Paul Myers Warrior Forum Christmas Scam

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Sat, 25 Dec 2010 01:56:00 +0000

Paul Myers Scam Pimp

Merry Christmas to all my loyal readers (including Paul Myers). What follows is a comment left on an article I wrote called Warrior Forum Welcomes New Member, Steals His $77, Then Bans Him.

Instead of placing it in the comment section I decided to publish it here. The writer is still a member of the Warrior Forum and wished to remain anonymous but I felt his words accurately describe the kind, warm Christmas spirit that pervades the Warrior Forum during the Holidays and throughout the year.

The thread mentioned in the comment is an excellent example of how the Warrior Forum WSO scam works. It also conveniently shows how Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers uses censorship to delete honest reviews about how and why the WSO product being pushed DOES NOT WORK.

The WSO product is a fraud but fraudulent products are what the vast majority of WSOs are all about. Paul Myers could care less that Warrior Forum members are being ripped off. His job as Warrior Forum moderator is to make sure they do get swindled. His primary concern is that all scam WSOs get promoted without any honest dissent. WSOs are $40 a pop plus more ill gotten gains whenever a WSO is propped back to the top. It's a huge con game run by Warrior Forum owner Allen Says' puppet, Paul Myers.

If you're able to read the thread (it's 4 pages) it won't be difficult to figure out who my commenter is but remember you will be reading a thread that has been censored by Paul Myers. All the honest negative reviews of the scam product have been deleted by Myers. The banned member has a few posts still up there but the useful ones, the ones that described why others should not purchase it, are gone.

I just got banned till after Christmas as well.

I posted to this wso thread telling potential buyers that if you already know how to make a very basic video and upload it to a bunch of video sharing sites then you already have the skill sets this wso teaches. I was able to buy a copy of this wso scammer's product so my comments were based on first hand knowledge.

And in no post did I slam the owner or the product itself (both deserved it though) and didn't give away the so called secrets (which by the way is changing the length of the video so it looks like a new video......ground breaking I know /sarcasm off) of the wso or do anything that violated the wso rules.

In essence I was trying to save other more advanced members like myself from buying a wso that wouldn't teach them anything they don't already know. Yet my posts continually kept getting deleted, because we certainly wouldn't want to stop that wso gravy train now would we!

Of course then some 8 post newbie comes to the rescue of the scamming product owner and starts giving me sh*t, and so in defending myself I end up getting a 3 day ban for "Derailing WSO thread with repeated arguing.". HA

Of course my ticket asking why my honest reviews keep getting deleted went unanswered for obvious reasons. I even copy & pasted the wso rules in one of my review posts taken directly from the WF FAQ section showing that I was clearly commenting within the guidelines.

Before I got banned I had remembered another wso thread I was following where someone gave a thumbs down review and I went back to it to see if their comments were still showing up on that thread and they were not.

It just goes to show it's all about the money and the protection of wso owners who are making the WF owner rich. If the wso owner is successful (making the WF owner some big money) then they get full protection to milk unsuspecting WF members for as much money as possible.

By the way if you want to get a free copy of this scamming wso owners product and see some legitimate reviews then they have a link to it on The Black Hat Forum here.

Of course it's not worth even taking up valuable hard drive space much less getting scammed into buying it like I did, but just in case you're curious you can check it out for free there.

Warrior Forum Welcomes New Member, Steals His $77, Then Bans Him

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:36:00 +0000

Francis Castillo joined the Warrior Forum in October. He shelled out $37 to join the War Room and soon after dropped another $40 to post a WSO.

Unfortunately, Francis was not a regular reader of Warrior Forum Sucks and therefore fell victim to Allen Says WSO scam machine.

Shortly after posting this WSO, Francis Castillo was on another thread here attempting to help a fellow Warrior Forum member Nimbus49.

Innocent enough you say, right? How could Francis' altruism be construed as a bad thing? Well, on the Warrior Forum few kind acts go unpunished.

Newbie Warrior Forum member Francis, who had just spent $77, was immediately banned from the Warrior Forum.

It wasn't a permanent ban (you can tell by looking at his WF avatar on the above links) but the damage had been done.

In reply #3 of the thread, you'll discover Francis' crime was posting a link to his WSO while trying to help another Warrior Forum member. For this egregious violation, inadvertently linking to his WSO, Castillo was banned. He did not receive a refund.

Remember, he was a brand new member but Warrior Forum moderators did not send him a friendly reminder or even a warning about the 'rule'. They just banned him.

So this poor guy, after parting with his cash for the full membership and shelling out more hard earned cash for his WSO, not more than a day later was banned from the forum. This heavy handed censorship destroyed any hopes for a successful WSO because he couldn't even respond to any questions or statements of interest about his offering.

That's how the Warrior Forum welcomes new members.

PotPieGirl's Recipe Spoiled By Bad Eggs Frank Kern and Harlan Kilstein

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 22:58:00 +0000

I recently received an email from Warrior Forum member Jennifer, the PotPieGirl. I was startled to see Jennifer recommend something from Frank Kern.

PotPieGirl's exact words were it's 'so good that it has to be shared'. It was a link to Frank Kern's recent blog post entitled 'You: The Best Guru EVER'. Frank Kern ('Irwin' to his FTC fraud case worker) is an internet marketing lowlife of the highest order.

I'll get to why Frank's post is not worthy of being shared in a moment but first I want to tell you about PotPieGirl. Jennifer is good marketer who offers advice on her blog and websites. I believe she is honest and sincere in her efforts to help others succeed with internet marketing. However, like so many Warrior Forum members, she has been hoodwinked into recommending Warrior Forum Gurus like Frank Kern and Harlan Kilstein.

Kern and Kilstein are two bad eggs that spoil Jennifer's Pot Pie recipe. This phenomenon occurs far too often on the Warrior Forum. Otherwise competent, straight shooting marketers fall into the Syndicate guru trap. This will only sully a marketer's reputation and cause innocent newbies who follow PotPieGirl's (and others') advice to potentially fall victim to fraudsters like Frank Kern and Harlan Kilstein.

The Kern blog post that Jennifer raved about in her email was just Frank's latest attempt to deflect the mountain of bad publicity he has received from The Salty Droid and others for scamming folks online. In that article Frank tells his readers they should stop listening to gurus and begin following their own instincts (and use the crap they've previously bought). He even recommends a moratorium on buying marketing products.

Of course it's just another Frank Kern scam because a few hours after posting that article on his blog, Frank sent an email to his list telling them to buy Kajabi! What's Kajabi you ask? It's another Syndicate frauduct from Andy Jenkins. Undoubtedly Kajabi is a total rip off but it's also very dangerous for your business. Learn about the Kajabi fraud here.

Required reading about Frank Kern.

That's the type of person Frank Kern is. Harlan Kilstein is another bad egg. PotPieGirl actually praises and thanks fake Doctor Kilstein in this post. Does she not know this guy's history of phony testimonials, victim advocate abusing, fake healing, scamming and swindling?

Required reading about Harlan Kilstein.

Why would Pot Pie Girl foist these scam artists on her readers? I'm not sure but it's not like she hasn't been warned before.

You see PotPieGirl launched a marketing product a while back. She called it 'One Week Marketing'. It had some pros and cons. Tiffany Dow wrote an excellent review of it here.

In the comment section of Tiffany's review a reader Dorothy had some insights that touched on the topic I'm writing about today. Here's Dorothy's comment (I added the bold highlight):

"Dorothy says:
March 10, 2010 at 4:58 pm

Bravo! A big thanks in appreciation for your REAL review of “One Week Marketing” !

I would never ever recommend OWM to anyone, especially to newbies because Yes, the so-called bonus and upsell should be Included in the first place. This course is just a recipe for failure for newbies.

I don’t understand why you would even think to apologize to the author for this review!? It is what it is and time someone brought it to light. She should have done the Right thing in the first place – compile a complete and organized product that would not leave people confused and hanging and having them “toggle back and forth” to try to figure it out and piece it together only to give up in frustration. And overpriced at that! She should be apologizing to us!

Don’t let the folksy sweet disposition fool you that there is no greed involved – the affiliate-link-stuffing, the upsell to something that should be included in the first place, the over self-promotion, the overflowing inbox offers for everything under the sun… speaks volumes.

It’s easy to see through the thin veil of sweet (”gee golly”) talk and pleasantry. People trust and buy and recommend from honest genuine people. She probably is a truly nice person, just making the wrong decisions. Better to drop the gimmick and be real.

The author of OWM is more into following the low-level marketing tactics of the slime gurus:
just get the sale, forget about sincerely helping people. The words sheep…wannabe…poser come to mind.

Tiffany, I’m glad you don’t fall for the JV-partner-scratch-my-back-I’ll-scratch-yours mentality and send this inferior product offer to your subscribers’ inbox.

I applaud your integrity. I have received high quality reports and courses from you and others, for Free, that makes OWM pale in comparison. Thank You."

So although Jennifer has many devoted followers who genuinely like her, it's clear PotPieGirl was aware she had been associated with "the low-level marketing tactics of the slime gurus" long before she sent me that email praising Frank Kern. She even wrote about Dorothy here.

Here's hoping the girl improves her recipe for pot pie by removing all traces of poisonous ingredients Kern, Kilstein, et al.

Warrior Forum Owner Allen Says Awash in Morphine, Booze and Scandal

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 04:00:00 +0000

Warrior Forum owner Allen Says has been ingesting a dangerous combination of morphine and booze. He admits as much on this Warrior Forum thread.

Perhaps years of scamming innocent folks is catching up to Allen Says. Could this guy actually feel remorse or guilt? Some have claimed Allen Says made money dishonestly during his early marketing career. Others find Allen's association with Kiva microloans to be very disturbing.

Those are topics for future articles. Today we will explore Allen Says' biggest scam, censoring free speech on the Warrior Forum in order to allow scam artists free (well, actually $40 a pop) reign to defraud defenseless members of his cesspool of internet marketing, the Warrior Forum.

Allen Says has a section on his marketing forum called Warrior Special Offers, WSO. He charges $40 to qualified Warrior Forum members (qualified only means the member must have made a certain number of posts, so anyone can post a WSO) to promote a product or service. He charges extra money each time the member wants to bump his WSO up to the top.

Now this concept, a special offer, is not a scam. Many internet marketing forums offer something similar. The scam is in how Allen runs these special offers on the Warrior Forum.

He knows that the majority of these WSOs are pure crap. A WSO usually consists of a rehash of some information readily available free online. The WSO poster will include a hyped sales page peppered with false, phony testimonials from other dishonest Warrior Forum members.

Then as the sheep make inquiring posts on the WSO thread, the OP will respond in sales-speak while he has his 'WSO scam buddies' make comments about what a great guy he is and how they have profited from his 'new' marketing product. It's a tried and true formula to rip off unsuspecting newbies and naive Warrior Forum members.

I am not saying all WSOs are scams. There are good products and services offered there. Think of it this way. A broken clock tells the correct time twice a day. That's a good guide for gauging the ratio of honest, useful WSOs to useless WSOs.

Allen Says realized early on that members would not take kindly to being ripped off so he needed a mechanism that would silence the scam victims while allowing his cash cow, the WSO, to keep filling his bank account with ill-gotten gains.

His solution was a strict 'no free speech' policy, dictatorial censorship Joe Stalin would be proud of. Allen hired failed internet marketer Paul Myers to crack the whip on innocent scam victims who had the temerity to complain or warn other members about a scam artist pushing fraudulent products on the Warrior Forum.

Complaining or warning other WF members about a scam artist is grounds for immediate banning from the Warrior Forum. That is the policy of Allen Says. Here are Allen Says exact words on this subject:

"UPDATED: Anyone caught trying to purposefully harm another persons WSO will be removed from this forum permanently."

admin Allen

The only reason Allen has this ridiculous policy, contrary to his inane excuses, is to foster a welcoming climate for internet marketing scam artists and to eliminate any effective recourse for Warrior Forum members who have been victimized by these charlatans.

Here's a perfect example of how suppressing the free expression and exchange of thought and ideas keeps the money rolling in for Allen Says and the money rolling out for innocent victims of Allen Says' scam machine:

Paul Myers Bans Warrior Forum Member For Exposing Kevin Bidwell $50,000 Fraud!

Caleb Spilchen Reads Warrior Forum Sucks

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 21:46:00 +0000

Dear Caleb Spilchen,

(Assuming it was Caleb Spilchen who made the comment as 'anon said...' in Warrior Forum Sucks post, Warrior Forum Paul Myers TalkbizVomit.)

My article exposed the incompetence and heavy handed censorship displayed by Warrior Forum moderator Paul Myers.

I cited one example, then revealed Warrior Forum members, including you, who allow and encourage this type of dishonesty to occur unchecked. I have countless other examples of this appalling behavior. It happens daily on the Warrior Forum.

Unlike the Warrior Forum, I allow free speech on my blog. Your comment seems to be a response to other comments that disparaged you. That's understandable but it's also telling that you ignored the important message of my article.

I never heard of you outside your syrupy Warrior Forum posts but a quick check revealed you to be a teen blogger from Canada. Happy Birthday btw.

I have no beef with most Warrior Forum members and certainly no problem with honest internet marketing. I write about the dishonesty, hypocrisy, censorship, WSO scamming, inept moderators, corrupt mendacious owner and cravenly ass kissing enablers.

I wish you well in your marketing and blogging endeavors. I invite you to continue reading Warrior Forum Sucks to learn what not to do and which marketers to avoid. I also recommend The Salty Droid, must reading for any marketer.

If you're making money honestly, I'm happy for you. One bit of advice, take five bucks from your profits and buy a copy of 'The Elements of Style' by Strunk and White. The grammar and spelling in your comment were exiguous.

Sincerely,

Chuck

Salty Droid Exposes Andy Jenkins Jeff Walker

noreply@blogger.com (Chuck Rosseel) — Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:50:00 +0000

The Salty Droid has published a first rate article about Andy Jenkins and his dishonest marketing plan for Video Boss. The Droid got his hands on two revealing phone calls between Jenkins and Jeff Walker discussing strategies to defraud folks via internet marketing.

It's pricless but stomach turning stuff that exposes all that is wrong with internet marketing. As I write this there are already 473 comments on the Salty Droid's blog post!

Read it now: Syndicate Shit Storm...

If you're not familiar with The Salty Droid, read this.

Update: Read Salty Droid's next installment, BackStabbing on Black...