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		<title>Comment on The Year of Intent by Danny Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 05:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People do things. Some work, some don't. If they work, we stay with that. If not, we move on. That's life.

It was fun seeing the "uncensored you" in that group (which is still going strong, so clearly not everyone left), and here's to your continued growth to be who you need to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People do things. Some work, some don&#8217;t. If they work, we stay with that. If not, we move on. That&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>It was fun seeing the &#8220;uncensored you&#8221; in that group (which is still going strong, so clearly not everyone left), and here&#8217;s to your continued growth to be who you need to be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Year of Intent by Jeff Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ike, certainly a well-written and thoughtful post. I don't know you as you chose to leave the group before I was invited to join. But I must still take exception, as have others in the comments, that our group is either a failure or one in which it is time to close up shop. I assume that is what you mean by your comment that everyone needs to quit. 
Every group is not everything to every one of its members. The group you chose to leave is, as you describe it, a conference you never leave. Frankly, while it is not perfect for me every day, it certainly is a conference of evolving folks with evolving interpersonal relationships. A never-ending conference with a balance of snark, extreme intellect, and true compassion that, perhaps, it didn't have when you were a member.
It's the best part of my day many days, the minor aggravation part on some others. Still, I am thrilled to be involved in such a heady group.
I am a little surprised, since you are obviously well respected among the remaining members, that you would fire across the bow at us from across the pond. But, you are not the first ex-member to do so, and likely, not the last.
And hey, you left us with one of the best, and oft-quoted phrases in our group. Which I won't use here.
Cheers and best wishes to you, Ike, and Happy Holidays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ike, certainly a well-written and thoughtful post. I don&#8217;t know you as you chose to leave the group before I was invited to join. But I must still take exception, as have others in the comments, that our group is either a failure or one in which it is time to close up shop. I assume that is what you mean by your comment that everyone needs to quit.<br />
Every group is not everything to every one of its members. The group you chose to leave is, as you describe it, a conference you never leave. Frankly, while it is not perfect for me every day, it certainly is a conference of evolving folks with evolving interpersonal relationships. A never-ending conference with a balance of snark, extreme intellect, and true compassion that, perhaps, it didn&#8217;t have when you were a member.<br />
It&#8217;s the best part of my day many days, the minor aggravation part on some others. Still, I am thrilled to be involved in such a heady group.<br />
I am a little surprised, since you are obviously well respected among the remaining members, that you would fire across the bow at us from across the pond. But, you are not the first ex-member to do so, and likely, not the last.<br />
And hey, you left us with one of the best, and oft-quoted phrases in our group. Which I won&#8217;t use here.<br />
Cheers and best wishes to you, Ike, and Happy Holidays.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Year of Intent by Dan Perez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Perez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ike,
Nicely written. I can certainly understand your point of view as I have found myself a tad less efficient than I was prior to getting involved in the social space (but I've grown a rather nice following and seen my website traffic spike dramatically so I'll take refuge in that).
I would like to address your observation that: "One failed as a community, and one succeeded." I beg to differ. That "failed" community is still going strong (at around 70+ members) and the tone of the group has gone from confrontational (it still has its moments) to much more of a support group where we've really gotten to know each other better. 
Like any group of friends, we still have our little spats but I'll take an honest confrontation over a "let's all play nice with each other because that's the rule of the group" community any day. Honesty evokes passionate discussion and some people are OK just agreeing to disagree. 
Glad you're working things out for yourself as I've always liked you :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ike,<br />
Nicely written. I can certainly understand your point of view as I have found myself a tad less efficient than I was prior to getting involved in the social space (but I&#8217;ve grown a rather nice following and seen my website traffic spike dramatically so I&#8217;ll take refuge in that).<br />
I would like to address your observation that: &#8220;One failed as a community, and one succeeded.&#8221; I beg to differ. That &#8220;failed&#8221; community is still going strong (at around 70+ members) and the tone of the group has gone from confrontational (it still has its moments) to much more of a support group where we&#8217;ve really gotten to know each other better.<br />
Like any group of friends, we still have our little spats but I&#8217;ll take an honest confrontation over a &#8220;let&#8217;s all play nice with each other because that&#8217;s the rule of the group&#8221; community any day. Honesty evokes passionate discussion and some people are OK just agreeing to disagree.<br />
Glad you&#8217;re working things out for yourself as I&#8217;ve always liked you <img src='http://occamsrazr.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The Year of Intent by Doug Haslam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Haslam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see not just intent, but context- context+people (Jennifer)= intent, maybe? Never that simple. 

There are some things I find worth throwing to the breeze to see what reaction they get. But yes, the more context you build around. What's cool about that coffee shop you just checked into? Maybe there is a story behind your particular visit. Why do I tell people every time I go to the gym? To inspire others just to do it or to hope from reinforcement? Probably both, even on days I get neither.

I'll also throw my hat in with other folks re: the "first" private Facebook group, which has matured and settled in since then. The lesson to add? Some things don't die, they just need to mature a bit. Not that you would like it today- tho you might- but it did not vanish after you left. Patience breeds a better story (which it will with Google + as a platform, but that's another topic altogether, isn't it?)

Cheers for more great discussions in 2012, (who the f*** is Ike, anyway?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see not just intent, but context- context+people (Jennifer)= intent, maybe? Never that simple. </p>
<p>There are some things I find worth throwing to the breeze to see what reaction they get. But yes, the more context you build around. What&#8217;s cool about that coffee shop you just checked into? Maybe there is a story behind your particular visit. Why do I tell people every time I go to the gym? To inspire others just to do it or to hope from reinforcement? Probably both, even on days I get neither.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also throw my hat in with other folks re: the &#8220;first&#8221; private Facebook group, which has matured and settled in since then. The lesson to add? Some things don&#8217;t die, they just need to mature a bit. Not that you would like it today- tho you might- but it did not vanish after you left. Patience breeds a better story (which it will with Google + as a platform, but that&#8217;s another topic altogether, isn&#8217;t it?)</p>
<p>Cheers for more great discussions in 2012, (who the f*** is Ike, anyway?)</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Year of Intent by Liz Scherer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Scherer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ike:

I respect you greatly and consider you a friend, which is why I feel comfortable disagreeing with certain parts of this post, e.g. "and not only did I need to quit; everyone else did too," or "one failed as a community, and one succeeded." 

 I believe these statements to be perfect examples of intentional communication that fails to account for an audience that may or may not have had the same experiences. And while I appreciate and continue to appreciate that need that you had to leave the group, the experiences I had in that shared group and continue to have are very distinct from yours'. 

Groups, like the individuals who comprise them, evolve and change. Just as communication and audiences do. And what resonates one day may not resonate the next, perhaps because on day one is it shaped by one experience or ideal and on day two, another.  Therein lies the beauty of communication. What I read one day and love, I may hate the next; there is so much that enriches and shapes any particular experience. 

I am a strong believer in free will.  Just because I intentionally curate something doesn't mean that its target will appreciate it as much as I do. Consequently, if I share one article to one Google Plus circle and it only resonates with one person, does this mean that my intent was misdirected? Or was it timing and only one person saw it?

And hence, I return to your original statements.
Everyone else should have quit when I did (which implies that everyone's experience is equivalent to yours') and one community succeeded where the other failed (ditto).

Intent may get you to the table. But your target has to be convinced that its in his or her best interest to partake. 

And that, my friend, is an example of intentional 'rambling' communication that may very possibly miss its mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ike:</p>
<p>I respect you greatly and consider you a friend, which is why I feel comfortable disagreeing with certain parts of this post, e.g. &#8220;and not only did I need to quit; everyone else did too,&#8221; or &#8220;one failed as a community, and one succeeded.&#8221; </p>
<p> I believe these statements to be perfect examples of intentional communication that fails to account for an audience that may or may not have had the same experiences. And while I appreciate and continue to appreciate that need that you had to leave the group, the experiences I had in that shared group and continue to have are very distinct from yours&#8217;. </p>
<p>Groups, like the individuals who comprise them, evolve and change. Just as communication and audiences do. And what resonates one day may not resonate the next, perhaps because on day one is it shaped by one experience or ideal and on day two, another.  Therein lies the beauty of communication. What I read one day and love, I may hate the next; there is so much that enriches and shapes any particular experience. </p>
<p>I am a strong believer in free will.  Just because I intentionally curate something doesn&#8217;t mean that its target will appreciate it as much as I do. Consequently, if I share one article to one Google Plus circle and it only resonates with one person, does this mean that my intent was misdirected? Or was it timing and only one person saw it?</p>
<p>And hence, I return to your original statements.<br />
Everyone else should have quit when I did (which implies that everyone&#8217;s experience is equivalent to yours&#8217;) and one community succeeded where the other failed (ditto).</p>
<p>Intent may get you to the table. But your target has to be convinced that its in his or her best interest to partake. </p>
<p>And that, my friend, is an example of intentional &#8216;rambling&#8217; communication that may very possibly miss its mark.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Year of Intent by Kelli Schmith</title>
		<link>http://occamsrazr.com/2011/12/22/the-year-of-intent/comment-page-1/#comment-12383</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelli Schmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm content to not read another blog post the rest of the year. THIS is an outstanding reminder of what happens without clear intent -- we dilute ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m content to not read another blog post the rest of the year. THIS is an outstanding reminder of what happens without clear intent &#8212; we dilute ourselves.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Year of Intent by Kat French</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 02:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, dear. There is so much that I relate to in this post. 

The way a private group can go from warm community to piping hot gabfest to a boiling cauldron of gossip and insecurity... Ah, good times. Good times. 

And the priorities and intentions thing. Because it's hard to put out a post like this and say "You know why you haven't heard as much from me this year online? Because I've been doing kickass work, being there for my family, and keeping this body that gets my brain from point A to point B fed, watered, exercised and rested. So I dialed back courting the digerati." 

It's hard because doing so contradicts the Gospel of Always On. It points out the fuzzy math people keep employing to insist that you can do great work at your day job, pontificate eloquently on a daily blog, chat up the Twitterati and Facebook to the tune of hundreds of updates a month, be an amazing spouse and parent, take care of your health and fly across the country attending and presenting at conferences every month or so.  And you can't. 

There's not enough coffee in Kenya to power a person through all that for months at a time.  The corresponding equation says that when you reach the mythical A-list, you'll make good on any IOUs to people you're short changing by suddenly becoming a homebody who is satisfied with spending more time with "the important things," which are ironically exactly the things you phoned in or ignored completely to chase microfame. 

Without even directly addressing it, a post like this calls that bluff. It admits the damn emperor is nekkid.  So bravo, Ike. Even if I've completely misinterpreted your post, it gave me just enough oomph to finally post this rant. So, Happy Almost New Year.  May 2012 be filled with more honest reality, and less digital fairy glamour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, dear. There is so much that I relate to in this post. </p>
<p>The way a private group can go from warm community to piping hot gabfest to a boiling cauldron of gossip and insecurity&#8230; Ah, good times. Good times. </p>
<p>And the priorities and intentions thing. Because it&#8217;s hard to put out a post like this and say &#8220;You know why you haven&#8217;t heard as much from me this year online? Because I&#8217;ve been doing kickass work, being there for my family, and keeping this body that gets my brain from point A to point B fed, watered, exercised and rested. So I dialed back courting the digerati.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard because doing so contradicts the Gospel of Always On. It points out the fuzzy math people keep employing to insist that you can do great work at your day job, pontificate eloquently on a daily blog, chat up the Twitterati and Facebook to the tune of hundreds of updates a month, be an amazing spouse and parent, take care of your health and fly across the country attending and presenting at conferences every month or so.  And you can&#8217;t. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s not enough coffee in Kenya to power a person through all that for months at a time.  The corresponding equation says that when you reach the mythical A-list, you&#8217;ll make good on any IOUs to people you&#8217;re short changing by suddenly becoming a homebody who is satisfied with spending more time with &#8220;the important things,&#8221; which are ironically exactly the things you phoned in or ignored completely to chase microfame. </p>
<p>Without even directly addressing it, a post like this calls that bluff. It admits the damn emperor is nekkid.  So bravo, Ike. Even if I&#8217;ve completely misinterpreted your post, it gave me just enough oomph to finally post this rant. So, Happy Almost New Year.  May 2012 be filled with more honest reality, and less digital fairy glamour.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Year of Intent by Carl Carter, APR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Carter, APR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was worth waiting for. Ouch all the same. Now, do I tweet this comment? Um, no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was worth waiting for. Ouch all the same. Now, do I tweet this comment? Um, no.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Clout is in the Eye of the Beholder by Why Kred Might Be Your Go-To Tool for Influence Measurement | V3 Kansas City Integrated Marketing and Social Media Agency</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Kred Might Be Your Go-To Tool for Influence Measurement | V3 Kansas City Integrated Marketing and Social Media Agency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Clout is in the Eye of the Beholder by Ike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise an excellent issue... can they be the Platypus?

I don't think there is a viable business model in being the Nielsen of the Web... too many people used to free services, and no good means of micropayments to make it happen from the ground up.

Now, if Klout migrated to a model where companies paid to find the topical influencers, maybe. But you're right that Klout being in the middle of the Perk mechanism tends to give it incentives to behave in a manner that doesn't befit the research/aggregation function.

(I have long said that the value in Twitter and Foursquare and other networks is buried deep in the data, studying trends and discovering new correlations that give a real predictive quality. See &lt;a href="http://ike4.me/ote" rel="nofollow"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; for an example.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise an excellent issue&#8230; can they be the Platypus?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is a viable business model in being the Nielsen of the Web&#8230; too many people used to free services, and no good means of micropayments to make it happen from the ground up.</p>
<p>Now, if Klout migrated to a model where companies paid to find the topical influencers, maybe. But you&#8217;re right that Klout being in the middle of the Perk mechanism tends to give it incentives to behave in a manner that doesn&#8217;t befit the research/aggregation function.</p>
<p>(I have long said that the value in Twitter and Foursquare and other networks is buried deep in the data, studying trends and discovering new correlations that give a real predictive quality. See <a href="http://ike4.me/ote" rel="nofollow">this post</a> for an example.)</p>
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