Comments for Nikon Rumors http://nikonrumors.com where there’s smoke there’s fire Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:30:12 +0000 hourly 1 NikonRumorsCommentshttp://feedburner.google.com Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by legion515 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/c42ZokeG08k/ legion515 Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:30:12 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242390 there were links either in comments on older posts or in the forum to downloads of two different full resolution D800 high ISO test series. one included NEFs and jpegs. sure, they weren't comparing D800 vs. D700, but you could download them, pixel peep between the various ISOs, use your post-processing workflow, and print to your heart's content. are people here really only interested in the difference at higher ISO? things like AF, resolution, video, ergonomics, 100% viewfinder, metering, size and weight, etc. don't matter at all? if so, rest assured the D800 will have equal or better high ISO performance compared to the D700, if only because of the higher resolution, nevermind 3+ years of advances in sensor tech. there were links either in comments on older posts or in the forum to downloads of two different full resolution D800 high ISO test series. one included NEFs and jpegs. sure, they weren’t comparing D800 vs. D700, but you could download them, pixel peep between the various ISOs, use your post-processing workflow, and print to your heart’s content.

are people here really only interested in the difference at higher ISO? things like AF, resolution, video, ergonomics, 100% viewfinder, metering, size and weight, etc. don’t matter at all? if so, rest assured the D800 will have equal or better high ISO performance compared to the D700, if only because of the higher resolution, nevermind 3+ years of advances in sensor tech.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242390 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by sonui http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/yFB-Oo7SL1U/ sonui Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:28:18 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242389 this time is Canon time... so bad nikon im not a studio-tripod shoter, i need speed and iso bad bad d800 ....! 5d3 ! this time is Canon time… so bad nikon im not a studio-tripod shoter, i need speed and iso bad bad d800 ….! 5d3 !


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242389 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by stve http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/xcWaEedh1Sk/ stve Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:24:46 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242388 Not familiar with the lens but check out this guy auto focusing with a D4 (same AF as the D800) with 3 kenko extension rings between the D4 and his 105AF-S at ISO 12,800 http://www.nikonuser.info/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1507&sid=8306c11e61bff3974d5ec0fb86af3959#p4126 Not familiar with the lens but check out this guy auto focusing with a D4 (same AF as the D800) with 3 kenko extension rings between the D4 and his 105AF-S
at ISO 12,800
http://www.nikonuser.info/fotoforum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1507&sid=8306c11e61bff3974d5ec0fb86af3959#p4126


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242388 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by hohoho http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/i8IoTookOpA/ hohoho Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:11:11 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242386 CANON 5d III will be the new D700 ... sorry nikon i must quit you CANON 5d III will be the new D700 … sorry nikon i must quit you


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242386 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by legion515 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/J6WUQFB5dLc/ legion515 Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:10:57 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242385 HansG, unless you are buying a well-used D700, a brand new D800 probably won't cost you much more. here in the US a new D700 costs $2700 vs. the $3000 D800. if you go for a used D700, then yes you could save $1000. but even then i would question if the savings are worth it. HansG, unless you are buying a well-used D700, a brand new D800 probably won’t cost you much more. here in the US a new D700 costs $2700 vs. the $3000 D800. if you go for a used D700, then yes you could save $1000. but even then i would question if the savings are worth it.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242385 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by stve http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/ALe3E4SCE90/ stve Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:54:57 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242383 I'm most looking forward to the reviews comparing the D800 with the Canon 5DMK III. I’m most looking forward to the reviews comparing the D800 with the Canon 5DMK III.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242383 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by RoDe http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/4JbJaBkHSBU/ RoDe Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:54:54 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242381 Nikon just wanted to blow the new Mark III away. Since the other plan (to keep small MP-Sensors) didn't work, Nikon gives D800 36MP - more than the MIII will get. Nikon pushes Video function and has in mind, that there is a C300 which MIII would compete to, if it also has 4:2:2 out. I'm afraid Nikon bows to the I-have-many-megapixels-so-I-am-a-pro-consumers. Nikon just wanted to blow the new Mark III away. Since the other plan (to keep small MP-Sensors) didn’t work, Nikon gives D800 36MP – more than the MIII will get. Nikon pushes Video function and has in mind, that there is a C300 which MIII would compete to, if it also has 4:2:2 out.
I’m afraid Nikon bows to the I-have-many-megapixels-so-I-am-a-pro-consumers.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242381 Comment on Nikon D800/D800E cost to dealers in the US by Discontinued http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/zKJWnMgZLPU/ Discontinued Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:53:32 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34026#comment-242380 Thanks again Luis. My picture of the US-tax is getting sharper now. And I feel a lot better about ours now than I did before. 19% VAT sound horrible in the first place and for the end consumer things get more expensive indeed, but the gov gets this money only once and not multiple times. With your scenario you would be only 2,000 USD negative here in Germany. Funny how 6.5 % can be more than 19% if your gov happens to be greedy enough. And funny (no, actually it is rather sad) that journalists and media never go deep enough into subject to uncover such things. Again, I feel much better now. Thanks again Luis. My picture of the US-tax is getting sharper now. And I feel a lot better about ours now than I did before. 19% VAT sound horrible in the first place and for the end consumer things get more expensive indeed, but the gov gets this money only once and not multiple times. With your scenario you would be only 2,000 USD negative here in Germany. Funny how 6.5 % can be more than 19% if your gov happens to be greedy enough. And funny (no, actually it is rather sad) that journalists and media never go deep enough into subject to uncover such things. Again, I feel much better now.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/20/nikon-d800d800e-cost-to-dealers-in-the-us.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-242380 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by catinhat http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/niZhCO9KPq8/ catinhat Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:52:55 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242379 I fully expect the D800 to be slightly better than D7000. Why slightly, -- because it is essentially the same generation technology and about the same pixel density. I shot with D7000 and with D700. The noise handling at high ISO is actually quite close. But I think it is because D7000 uses stronger noise suppression. So, it loses detail faster. That said, depending on the lighting conditions, one can get very usable shots with D7000 even at ISO 6400, at least for the web. One also has to remember that when the light is poor, the noise is more obvious and the detail is lost faster at the same ISO setting. I would rate D7000 as pretty good up to ISO 2500 and D700 up to ISO 4000. This is actually less than a stop difference, and D800 may very well get to D700 noise levels. This is not to say I didn't get some amazingly clean shots from D700 at ISO 5000, if the light was advantageous for the main subject. In any event, if Nikon markets D4 as the high ISO camera, and the rumors I've heard so far indicate that it is roughly the same as D3s in the ISO department, the D3s being about one stop better in high ISO than D700, then please put 2 and 2 together, and don't assume that D800 is going to be as good as D3s/D4. There are other important (for me) issues here that Thom Hogan actually mentions in one of his posts, if I'm not mistaken. The D7000 sensor tech (and probably D800 too) is much less forgiving to blown out highlights than D700, and I may add even than D300. If I shoot people in an environment where light is not easily controlled, highlights interest me much more than the shadow detail, because the last thing I want is burnt out skin tones which are impossible to miss. So if all the DR advantages come on the shadow side, it is overall a losing proposition for me. I fully expect the D800 to be slightly better than D7000. Why slightly, — because it is essentially the same generation technology and about the same pixel density. I shot with D7000 and with D700. The noise handling at high ISO is actually quite close. But I think it is because D7000 uses stronger noise suppression. So, it loses detail faster. That said, depending on the lighting conditions, one can get very usable shots with D7000 even at ISO 6400, at least for the web. One also has to remember that when the light is poor, the noise is more obvious and the detail is lost faster at the same ISO setting. I would rate D7000 as pretty good up to ISO 2500 and D700 up to ISO 4000. This is actually less than a stop difference, and D800 may very well get to D700 noise levels. This is not to say I didn’t get some amazingly clean shots from D700 at ISO 5000, if the light was advantageous for the main subject.

In any event, if Nikon markets D4 as the high ISO camera, and the rumors I’ve heard so far indicate that it is roughly the same as D3s in the ISO department, the D3s being about one stop better in high ISO than D700, then please put 2 and 2 together, and don’t assume that D800 is going to be as good as D3s/D4.

There are other important (for me) issues here that Thom Hogan actually mentions in one of his posts, if I’m not mistaken. The D7000 sensor tech (and probably D800 too) is much less forgiving to blown out highlights than D700, and I may add even than D300. If I shoot people in an environment where light is not easily controlled, highlights interest me much more than the shadow detail, because the last thing I want is burnt out skin tones which are impossible to miss. So if all the DR advantages come on the shadow side, it is overall a losing proposition for me.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242379 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by stve http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/3vyGAMOR6L0/ stve Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:49:25 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242378 I've ordered mine but the best place to check out a new camera when they've reviewed it is at http://www.imaging-resource.com/CAMDB/compare_cameras.php I’ve ordered mine but the best place to check out a new camera when they’ve reviewed it is at http://www.imaging-resource.com/CAMDB/compare_cameras.php


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242378 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by stve http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/E553Fprvz0o/ stve Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:38:20 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242376 Jeez give the guy a break he's an amateur only just moving to digital from film, probably using an old computer , maybe not familiar with Photoshop is it any wonder he doesn't understand all he is reading. He'd probably be better off with a cheap Nikon D200 for a year while he learns the basics & he would be to make an informed decision about which camera to buy & he could probably sell the D200 for close to what he paid for it. Oh yeah almost forgot please stop whining about comments your narrow little mind does not agree with. Jeez give the guy a break he’s an amateur only just moving to digital from film, probably using an old computer , maybe not familiar with Photoshop is it any wonder he doesn’t understand all he is reading.
He’d probably be better off with a cheap Nikon D200 for a year while he learns the basics & he would be to make an informed decision about which camera to buy & he could probably sell the D200 for close to what he paid for it.

Oh yeah almost forgot please stop whining about comments your narrow little mind does not agree with.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242376 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by jake http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/O7r6FCsrBkA/ jake Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:29:33 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242375 Oh yeah, don't mind the blur in the d700 examples, not to mention the obvious difference in crop examples. This is just not a very good comparison. Obviously the d800 will be better but a proper test is in order. Oh yeah, don’t mind the blur in the d700 examples, not to mention the obvious difference in crop examples. This is just not a very good comparison.

Obviously the d800 will be better but a proper test is in order.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242375 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by TC http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/DvsO79bjvGo/ TC Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:27:13 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242373 No no, that can't be right! You can't make a 36MP camera without horrendous noise. Nikon should go back to 4MP cameras like the D2H. Also, an APS sensor gives you bigger reach, so stop this full frame nonsense. And besides, it has 3 times the number of pixels, which means that you can make a print with three times the area, but the linear resolution is only 73% better, so it is really no improvement at all. /sarcasm No no, that can’t be right! You can’t make a 36MP camera without horrendous noise. Nikon should go back to 4MP cameras like the D2H. Also, an APS sensor gives you bigger reach, so stop this full frame nonsense. And besides, it has 3 times the number of pixels, which means that you can make a print with three times the area, but the linear resolution is only 73% better, so it is really no improvement at all.
/sarcasm


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242373 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by Daniel http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/57TCjhPFN-o/ Daniel Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:23:54 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242372 Completely agree with you. Completely agree with you.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242372 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by Sunil Singh http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/vbo7nUPqFPI/ Sunil Singh Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:23:28 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242371 I thought that 3 times the number of pixels equals 70% more resolution or am I wrong? The D3x has about 40 % more resolution than the D3 /D700/D3s if only the number of pixels are considered. I thought that 3 times the number of pixels equals 70% more resolution or am I wrong?
The D3x has about 40 % more resolution than the D3 /D700/D3s if only the number of pixels are considered.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242371 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by Daniel http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/72YW5JAT5Y8/ Daniel Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:19:49 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242370 I'm not sure I agree that you have no choice but to buy the D800. The D700 is all the camera you need for a wedding for example. If you need to blow images up to 5 metres wide then perhaps there is an arguement to "have no choice". Equally if you need to use video. For photography, we reached comfortable comprimises years ago. I’m not sure I agree that you have no choice but to buy the D800. The D700 is all the camera you need for a wedding for example. If you need to blow images up to 5 metres wide then perhaps there is an arguement to “have no choice”. Equally if you need to use video. For photography, we reached comfortable comprimises years ago.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242370 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by stve http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/nSgbHyHa01Q/ stve Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:15:32 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242369 If these were the only high ISO samples I'd be sceptical as well but having seen other samples & being familiar with the D700 at high ISO my take is they are genuine. http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-high-iso-image-samples If these were the only high ISO samples I’d be sceptical as well but having seen other samples & being familiar with the D700 at high ISO my take is they are genuine.
http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-high-iso-image-samples


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-242369 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by Tomas http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/-YOJTij0jHs/ Tomas Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:11:15 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242368 This test is NOT FAIR. The D700 pictures are out of focus, co you cannot see if details are present or not. Absolute zero value for reading! This test is NOT FAIR.
The D700 pictures are out of focus, co you cannot see if details are present or not.
Absolute zero value for reading!


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242368 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by Annie Lebowitz http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/cXEDSnLBN1Y/ Annie Lebowitz Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:07:56 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242367 No one is saying the D700 is a BAD camera...... Were just saying the new D800 is better. D700 will be my backup. Im a part time pro, I do weddings for extra cash. Sure I can do the job with a D700 or a D7000. I could probably even go to say I could do a wedding with a D90. Were not saying the D700 is obsolete, but the new D800 is an improvement. And for only $300 more than what the D700 was priced at its a no brainer. I think that was a very humble move on Japan, considering all theyve gone through and considering the original guesstimate was $4000 for the D800. If you can buy a new D700 for under $2000 and money is an issue, go for it !!! D700 is a great camera !!! But if money is not an issue but you cant afford the $6k D4, than this D800 will be amazing. No one is saying the D700 is a BAD camera……

Were just saying the new D800 is better. D700 will be my backup.

Im a part time pro, I do weddings for extra cash. Sure I can do the job with a D700 or a D7000. I could probably even go to say I could do a wedding with a D90.

Were not saying the D700 is obsolete, but the new D800 is an improvement. And for only $300 more than what the D700 was priced at its a no brainer.

I think that was a very humble move on Japan, considering all theyve gone through and considering the original guesstimate was $4000 for the D800.

If you can buy a new D700 for under $2000 and money is an issue, go for it !!! D700 is a great camera !!! But if money is not an issue but you cant afford the $6k D4, than this D800 will be amazing.


]]> http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/22/nikon-d800-vs-nikon-d700-high-iso-comparison.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-242367 Comment on Nikon D800 vs. Nikon D700 high ISO comparison by SusanP http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NikonRumorsComments/~3/7oI0rOzg0Tc/ SusanP Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:07:55 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=34060#comment-242366 correction: picky peter pixel peeper peeped at pixelated <i> pictures </i> correction:
picky peter pixel peeper peeped at pixelated pictures


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