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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e983/" title="AI in Schools: Stop AI Detection, Start Learning Detection" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="551" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/983-tonyfrontier-1024x551.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" fetchpriority="high" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/983-tonyfrontier-1024x551.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/983-tonyfrontier-300x162.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/983-tonyfrontier-768x414.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/983-tonyfrontier-585x315.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/983-tonyfrontier.png 1170w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>AI detection is a losing game. Dr. Tony Frontier shares the three-part AI policy schools can actually run — and why we should stop doing AI detection and start doing learning detection. Plus highlights from MIT's new report and the term we should all be discussing: cognitive surrender.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">AI with intention. AI with integrity. Is it possible? Tony Frontier, author of <em>AI with Intention</em>, is talking about how we value learning in the age of AI. He shares the language we can use to evaluate what we&#8217;re doing, how we&#8217;re talking about AI, and how we&#8217;re measuring learning, and ultimately, why education needs to change more than ever.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I also open this show with some highlights from the <a href="https://aiandeducation.mit.edu/report/">Report of MIT&#8217;s Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training</a> and what it means for learning, and they use a term I think we should all be discussing: <strong><mark style="background-color:#fcb900" class="has-inline-color">cognitive surrender.</mark></strong> We cannot let our kids cognitively surrender and let AI do the work for them. They also talk about helping students understand that their learning, integrity, and judgment are the product of college, not the grades. So many challenges we have now, but this week has been about sharing the conversations and thought leaders to help you improve the AI conversation in your school. I hope this Thursday helps you be a thought leader in your school!</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Listen to my conversation with Dr. Tony Frontier</strong> — or <a href="https://youtu.be/2EfltWri_AA">watch it on YouTube</a>, or <a href="#transcript">read the full transcript</a> at the bottom of this page.</p>



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<blockquote><p>If the next voice is, I must not be very good at this, I must not be very smart — that&#8217;s a kid who is going to stop trying. And that&#8217;s where we lose kids… That&#8217;s a kid who has confused learning with compliance. And we did that to that kid.</p><p><cite>Dr. Tony Frontier, Director of the AI Center for Effective Teaching and Learning</cite></p></blockquote>
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<h2 id="h-the-ai-policy-dr-tony-frontier-says-actually-works" class="wp-block-heading">The AI Policy Dr. Tony Frontier Says Actually Works</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You can listen to the whole conversation in the player above or read the full transcript below. Here is the framework Tony walked through, piece by piece. He has been running focus groups in high schools around the country — urban, suburban, rural, public, private, parochial — and his first finding is the one that should worry us: you cannot tell one school&#8217;s transcript from another.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Kids are using AI tools. Typically, kids say they use it twenty-five to forty percent of the time for their schoolwork… And there&#8217;s a group of kids say they use it all the time. I&#8217;ve had kids say they haven&#8217;t read anything since they were a freshman. They just have AI summarize everything.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">— Dr. Tony Frontier</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The second finding is the one we can actually do something about. Students told him they are not getting instruction. &#8220;There&#8217;s some vague permission, there&#8217;s a lot of outright bans, but there&#8217;s very little focused, specific lessons. Here&#8217;s how, here&#8217;s why.&#8221;</p>



<h3 id="h-the-3-choices-schools-have-right-now" class="wp-block-heading">The 3 Choices Schools Have Right Now</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Tony frames three approaches schools are taking. He says, &#8220;if you have access to a search bar, you have access to an AI tool that can do pretty much all of your homework, kindergarten through PhD.&#8221; So there are three doors:</p>



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<li><strong>Let kids figure it out on their own.</strong> &#8220;A lot of videos out there on TikTok about how to use AI to cheat.&#8221;</li>



<li><strong>Let the tech companies decide.</strong> Just let the kids do everything.</li>



<li><strong>Take the lead.</strong> &#8220;The kids are ahead of us right now and we have to get ahead of the kids.&#8221;</li>
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<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph">✏️✏️✏️</p>



<h3 id="h-part-1-guidelines-and-boundaries" class="wp-block-heading">Part 1: Guidelines and Boundaries</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Boundaries say what is off-limits. Guidelines describe what good looks like. Tony&#8217;s warning is that most schools write only the first kind and think they are done. Wow, are we giving kids guidelines? Are we modeling good uses?</p>



<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">Do you have any good uses of AI that you can model for your students tomorrow? Can you show them the chat and what you did? Can you show them how you figured out AI was wrong on something or why you made other choices than the AI did for the work. This is part of disclosure and transparency, but also modeling and giving guidelines. </p>



<h3 id="h-part-2-define-effective-ineffective-and-inappropriate-use" class="wp-block-heading">Part 2: Define Effective, Ineffective, and Inappropriate Use</h3>



<p class="cct-activity wp-block-paragraph">Sit down and define what these look like in your school. Sit down with paper and write one-sentence definitions for what this looks like. Tony&#8217;s point is that the definitions have to be specific enough to provide direction but general enough not to micromanage a teacher&#8217;s judgment or expire the moment a tool changes.</p>



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<li><strong>Effective</strong> — aligned and intentional.</li>



<li><strong>Ineffective</strong> — &#8220;I used AI to complete my work, but I can&#8217;t explain the work that I completed.&#8221;</li>



<li><strong>Inappropriate</strong> — privacy violations, cheating, &#8220;things that are completely inappropriate.&#8221;</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He notes there is <a href="https://firsteducation-us.com/hubfs/ai-toolkit-hub/index.html?hsLang=en">a toolkit with worked examples</a> published through the  <a href="https://firsteducation-us.com/hubfs/ai-toolkit-hub/index.html?hsLang=en" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">AI Center for Effective Teaching and Learning</a>.</p>



<h3 id="h-part-3-the-core-commitments" class="wp-block-heading">Part 3: The Core Commitments</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is the part that Tony says many schools skip entirely, but that is essential. Remember that whatever we ask of students, we model. I&#8217;ve included quotes from Tony for each of these, but listen to the show for the full context. (And remember his book <strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/AI-Intention-Principles-Teachers-Leaders/dp/1416633626?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>AI with Intention: Principles and Action Steps for Teachers and School Leaders</em></a></strong> has many of these items.)</p>



<h3 id="h-3-commitments-for-students" class="wp-block-heading"><strong>3 Commitments for Students:</strong></h3>



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<li><strong>Integrity</strong> — &#8220;Can a student say I used AI tools in ways that are aligned to my teacher&#8217;s communicated expectations?&#8221;</li>



<li><strong>Transparency</strong> — &#8220;I document and report any tool or resource I use.&#8221;</li>



<li><strong>Explainability</strong> — the student &#8220;is always accountable to explain, justify, or further explain the work that they did.&#8221;</li>
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<h3 id="h-3-commitments-for-teachers" class="wp-block-heading"><strong>3 Commitments for Teachers</strong></h3>



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<li><strong>Fidelity</strong> — is this aligned to stated priorities for teaching and learning? &#8220;I don&#8217;t mean everyone&#8217;s on page 263 of the teacher&#8217;s manual.&#8221;</li>



<li><strong>Transparency</strong> — &#8220;We need to model the transparency we expect from our kids.&#8221;</li>



<li><strong>Explainability</strong> — &#8220;If I used AI to create a slideshow or an assessment, I should be able to say, here&#8217;s why this specific academic language is here.&#8221;</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Tony really implies these aren&#8217;t for &#8220;gotchability&#8221; but a framework for intentionality and admin support within the commitments.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Not because we&#8217;re looking to catch people doing the wrong thing… If I&#8217;m a teacher and I&#8217;m awake at two AM worried about something, and I know I used AI for something the day before, I want to know that I have administrative support.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">— Dr. Tony Frontier</p>
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<h3 id="h-make-who-helped-you-with-this-a-normal-question" class="wp-block-heading">Make &#8220;Who Helped You With This?&#8221; a Normal Question</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One point here is important to hear: &#8220;I&#8217;ve yet to hear a compelling reason why kindergarten through fifth-grade kids should be using LLMs.&#8221; He also talks about making transparency with who did the work part of what is done, to level the playing field as much as anything.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We should just make it normal starting in kindergarten. Who helped you with this? My mom helped me, or my older sibling helped me… Because if I don&#8217;t know what you can and can&#8217;t do independently, I can&#8217;t teach you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">— Dr. Tony Frontier</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In my AP Computer Science Principles classroom, my students can use AI to write code. However, they must be prepared to explain every line of code, what it does, and how the code works. If they cannot, I reserve the right to have them remove the code to see if it still works. I care more about learning detection than AI detection. In fact, students who resisted AI in that course, in my opinion, did not do as well as those who used it wisely for learning support. </p>



<p class="cct-vocab wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Cognitive surrender</strong> — Falling back on AI at the first hint of struggle, and getting the illusion of learning instead of the learning. This is not Tony&#8217;s phrase and it is not mine — it comes from the <a href="https://aiandeducation.mit.edu/report/">Report of MIT&#8217;s Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training</a> (August 25, 2026), which I read from at the top of this episode. MIT&#8217;s point is that giving in to that option cheats students out of the cognitive friction that actual learning requires.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Explainability</strong> — A student&#8217;s accountability to explain, justify, or further explain the work they turned in. <br />⚠️ Be careful with this one: in the AI industry, &#8220;explainability&#8221; means something else entirely — whether a human can understand why the <em>model</em> produced a given output. Tony is using it about the <em>student</em>, not the machine. Both meanings are legitimate; they are just not the same word doing the same job. Source: <a href="https://firsteducation-us.com/ai-center">Dr. Tony Frontier, AI Center for Effective Teaching and Learning</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Agency / agentic learner</strong> — A learner who asks questions, seeks clarification, wants personal relevance, and can say &#8220;help me out here, I need that differently.&#8221; <br />⚠️ Same caution: &#8220;agentic AI&#8221; in the tech press means software acting on its own. Tony&#8217;s &#8220;agentic learner&#8221; is about the human doing the acting. As he puts it, our most agentic learners are our kindergartners. Source: <a href="https://firsteducation-us.com/ai-center">AI Center for Effective Teaching and Learning</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Humanizer</strong> — A tool that rewrites AI-generated text so it will not trip an AI detector. There is no official definition for this one; it is student vocabulary. Tony&#8217;s finding is the part worth knowing: some students start using humanizers <em>after</em> being falsely accused — &#8220;I didn&#8217;t use AI, but once I got accused, now I run everything through a humanizer.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These are new to my <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zq6EQOwaqLglcxL8mxs_npLg1E2KbROztWX2yijsxqM/edit?usp=sharing">AI Vocabulary List</a> — I&#8217;m adding them. Want to find out how many of these words you already know? Play <a href="https://spy-the-ai-game-coolcatteacher.netlify.app/">Spy the AI</a>, the free vocabulary game I vibe coded from that same list.</p>



<h2 id="h-stop-doing-ai-detection-start-doing-learning-detection" class="wp-block-heading">Stop Doing AI Detection. Start Doing Learning Detection.</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As I said in the show, AI detection whack-a-mole, to me as a teacher, is pretty pointless. I have moved to at least two oral assessments every grading period. So I as told him: we shouldn&#8217;t be about AI detection; we should be about learning detection. He says the same thing in a similar way.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He said &#8220;Exactly&#8221; — and then told me the session he had just given is called <strong>Catch Them Learning</strong>. That is great!</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here is why the switch matters, in his words. It changes who carries the burden of proof. I think this table helps explain it.</p>



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<th>Chasing cheating</th>
<th>Building integrity</th>
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<td>&#8220;Did the student actually do the work?&#8221;</td>
<td>&#8220;Does this work actually represent the student&#8217;s true knowledge and skills?&#8221;</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>&#8220;Now it&#8217;s on me to prove that you cheated.&#8221;</td>
<td>&#8220;Integrity is a shared responsibility between the student and the teacher.&#8221;</td>
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<td>A policy about what we&#8217;ll do if we catch you</td>
<td>A policy about what we&#8217;ll both do to make the work real</td>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What a lot of people realize is their academic integrity policy — it&#8217;s really a what we&#8217;ll do if we catch you cheating policy. It&#8217;s really about what not to do.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">— Dr. Tony Frontier</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As he said earlier, students need to be modeled what to do with AI and not be given a list of things that you can&#8217;t do.</p>



<h2 id="h-what-to-watch-out-for-tony-had-some-lines-we-need-to-read" class="wp-block-heading">What To Watch Out For: Tony had some lines we need to read.</h2>



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<li><strong>The arms race you cannot win.</strong> <em>(13:48)</em> — &#8220;The technology arms race is always going to be one that the students can win. Simply because there are more of them than there are of us.&#8221;</li>



<li><strong>False accusations create the behavior.</strong> <em>(13:48)</em> — &#8220;I&#8217;ve had a few kids in a few different schools say, I didn&#8217;t use AI, but once I got accused, now I run everything through a humanizer.&#8221; As Tony puts it: &#8220;it&#8217;s like the teacher forced them into using AI.&#8221;</li>



<li><strong>Detectors catch the wrong students.</strong> <em>(13:33)</em> — my own line, and Tony confirmed it from his focus groups: the only kids who get caught using AI are the ones who don&#8217;t know how to use AI.</li>



<li><strong>Policies that try to put the genie back.</strong> <em>(17:16)</em> — see the Blockbuster section below.</li>
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<h2 id="h-where-we-lose-kids" class="wp-block-heading">Where We Lose Kids</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I asked Tony a question that I, as a mom of a couple of dysgraphics, wonder: does it make it okay if you can pay to have a human writing coach, but not okay to turn AI into a writing coach? His answer started with IEPs and case-by-case judgment and he says that is important. But then, he makes a great point that speaks to equity.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When my kids came home from school, stuck on their schoolwork, they had a dad with a PhD and a mom with a master&#8217;s degree to help them. No one ever asked, right, did your parents help you with this? But we&#8217;re hyper-concerned now about, did I help you with this? We should have been asking those questions all along.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">— Dr. Tony Frontier</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then he described the moment a student&#8217;s inner voice turns. What happens when a kid says &#8220;I&#8217;m stuck, I don&#8217;t get it?&#8221;  But it can happen often by second or third grade, sometimes as early as the end of first, the next voice becomes &#8220;I must not be very smart.&#8221; That kid stops trying. And the only tool they can think to reach for is one that hands them the answer. This is not good. <em>(It is the cognitive surrender that MIT talked about in their report and one we need to be watching out to prevent!)</em></p>



<h3 id="h-our-most-agentic-learners-are-kindergartners" class="wp-block-heading">Our Most Agentic Learners Are Kindergartners</h3>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Our students with the greatest level of agency in our schools, they&#8217;re our kindergartners. They come in, they ask questions, they want to know, they want to tell you. That&#8217;s how we want kids to interact with AI tools.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">— Dr. Tony Frontier</p>
</blockquote>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And the skills turn out to be the same ones we already teach: &#8220;Asking questions, seeking clarification. If something isn&#8217;t working for your learning, can you stand up and say, help me out here? I need that differently.&#8221;</p>



<h2 id="h-an-image-to-help-the-blockbuster-boardroom" class="wp-block-heading">An Image to Help: The Blockbuster Boardroom</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When Tony hears schools talk about ramping up policies to catch cheating, this is what it sounds like to him:</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Some of the conversations that were probably happening at the Blockbuster video boardroom right around 2010. Where it was like, you know, if we just get this late fee thing right, everything&#8217;s gonna be fine. No — that was a transactional solution to a transformational challenge.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">— Dr. Tony Frontier</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The transformational challenge, he says, is that how people receive and consume entertainment had completely changed. It did not matter how hard Blockbuster chased the late fee policy. It was the wrong conversation.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And perhaps instead of the AI &#8220;whack-a-mole&#8221; detection impossibility (wrong conversation) we should instead be having a conversation about what truly makes education (the right convo to have, perhaps?)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Tony says: &#8220;We have an education model that&#8217;s built on 1890s technology. We&#8217;re gonna batch process kids, roll them down the conveyor belt&#8221; — same page, same pace, same time, because that is how you manufacture things. His argument is that these tools, used well, finally make it possible to stop.</p>



<h2 id="h-try-this-tomorrow-the-quarter-sheet-of-paper" class="wp-block-heading">Try This Tomorrow: The Quarter Sheet of Paper</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When I told Tony this kind of conversation takes time, he agreed. Then he gave the single most usable thing in the episode. Students upload the assignment the night before. The next day, on a quarter sheet of paper:</p>



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<li>Here is an important word from last night&#8217;s homework. Write your definition of it.</li>



<li>What was the main idea?</li>



<li>What was your biggest takeaway from last night&#8217;s assignment?</li>
</ol>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">No, you cannot grade a hundred and forty of those every day. That is not the point.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It&#8217;s not just turning it in. I want to know what you know. I want to know what you don&#8217;t know. I want to know what questions you have. It starts to shift the culture.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">— Dr. Tony Frontier</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I remember in 1991 I started teaching people how to use the internet. I remember people being scared. Others were angry. And I received criticism that I was somehow a bad person because I believed people needed to learn to use the Internet properly and civilize it. Internet used to be a proper noun. In 2016, we started using internet in lowercase. That is how much the internet became part of everything we do. Enough to no longer be a proper noun! It is no longer a question of whether we use the internet; it is how, when, and why. We need intentionality there, too.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The criticism that came with Web 2 stung a little less. But by now, I just move forward. AI is the most powerful technology we&#8217;ve ever encountered as a general populace, and it comes with far more responsibility.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This technology is literally different for everyone who uses it. Previously, if I logged in to an app, I might have a similar experience to yours. No more. A thousand tiny nuances from how we speak and type to what we ask can cause our experiences to be far different. The challenges with bringing student-facing and teacher-facing AI to schools are many, but it is here, and we have to move forward and have the conversations that matter. AI detection is just so not the convo to be having. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I hope that you&#8217;ll pick up Tony&#8217;s book and use what I&#8217;ve shared with you here to add to the conversations you&#8217;re having at your school.</p>



<h2 id="h-resources-mentioned-in-this-episode" class="wp-block-heading">Resources Mentioned in This Episode</h2>



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<li><strong><a href="https://aiandeducation.mit.edu/report/">Report of MIT&#8217;s Ad Hoc Committee on AI Use in Teaching, Learning, and Research Training</a></strong> — released August 25, 2026. The report I read from at the top of the show, and the source of &#8220;cognitive surrender.&#8221; Read it yourself; do not use AI to summarize it.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://firsteducation-us.com/hubfs/ai-toolkit-hub/index.html">The AI Center Implementation Toolkit</a></strong> — the toolkit Tony references on air, with the worked examples of effective, ineffective, and inappropriate use. It includes a four-phase planning process plus the full set of guidelines, boundaries, and shared commitments.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://firsteducation-us.com/hubfs/AI%20Center/Guiding%20Principles.pdf">Guiding Principles and Action Steps</a></strong> — the free PDF for leadership teams and teacher teams, from the AI Center.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/AI-Intention-Principles-Teachers-Leaders/dp/1416633626?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>AI with Intention: Principles and Action Steps for Teachers and School Leaders</em></a></strong> — Tony&#8217;s newest book, with a foreword by Jay McTighe. Also available from <a href="https://www.ascd.org/books/ai-with-intention">ASCD</a>.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.whatschoolcouldbe.org/blog/students-perceptions-of-ai-in-seven-high-schools-moving-from-avoidance-and-deterrence-to-responsible-engagement">Students&#8217; Perceptions of AI in Seven High Schools: Moving from Avoidance and Deterrence to Responsible Engagement</a></strong> — Tony&#8217;s write-up of the focus-group work he describes in this episode. This is where the twenty-five-to-forty-percent finding comes from.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://firsteducation-us.com/ai-center">The AI Center for Effective Teaching and Learning</a></strong> — Tony directs it. Also home to the AI2TPS teacher-perception survey and the student focus-group protocol, if you want to run this in your own school.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/experienceai">Experience AI</a></strong> — this episode&#8217;s sponsor. Free AI literacy lessons from the Raspberry Pi Foundation and Google DeepMind.</li>
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<h2 id="h-about-dr-tony-frontier" class="wp-block-heading">About Dr. Tony Frontier</h2>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dr. Tony Frontier was a teacher in Milwaukee Public Schools and a high school principal, K-12 curriculum director, and University Professor. He is currently the Director of the <a href="https://firsteducation-us.com/ai-center">AI Center for Effective Teaching and Learning</a> where he works with schools and districts to ensure AI tools are used in ways that support, rather than undermine, effective teaching and learning. He is author of 6 books and numerous articles. His most recent book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/AI-Intention-Principles-Teachers-Leaders/dp/1416633626?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>AI with Intention, Principles and Action Steps for Teachers and School Leaders</em></a> with a foreword by Jay McTighe, and has been praised by John Hattie as &#8220;the best book I have read to introduce all to optimize the power of AI.&#8221;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Find Tony:</strong> <a href="https://firsteducation-us.com/ai-center">AI Center for Effective Teaching and Learning</a> · <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tony-frontier-phd-83022630/">LinkedIn</a> · <a href="https://www.ascd.org/people/tony-frontier">ASCD</a></p>



<h2 id="h-other-shows-for-teachers-and-administrators-writing-ai-policy" class="wp-block-heading">Other Shows for Teachers and Administrators Writing AI Policy</h2>



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<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e980/">Creativity and Art in an AI World</a></strong> — Susan M. Riley on why creativity is the defining skill of the AI era. This is the Monday show where we used the phrase &#8220;hard fun,&#8221; which MIT uses in this report too.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e981/">How to Build Your Own Data Dashboard: No Coding Required</a></strong> — A.J. Juliani on building your own AI tools, de-identifying student data, and the one question to ask any vendor.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/ai-with-intention-expert-opinions-iste2026/">AI With Intention: What Leaders Decide and Teachers Do</a></strong> — Tony as part of the AI and Edtech SuperSeries from ISTE 2026.</li>
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<p class="has-very-light-gray-to-cyan-bluish-gray-gradient-background has-background wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Disclosure of Material Connection:</strong>&nbsp;This episode includes some affiliate links. This means that if you choose to buy I will be paid a commission on the affiliate program. However, this is at no additional cost to you. Regardless, I only recommend products or services I believe will be good for my readers and are from companies I can recommend. I am disclosing this in accordance with the Federal Trade Commission&#8217;s&nbsp;<a href="https://www.ftc.gov/policy/federal-register-notices/16-cfr-part-255-guides-concerning-use-endorsements-testimonials">16 CFR, Part 255</a>: &#8220;Guides Concerning the Use of Endorsements and Testimonials in Advertising.&#8221; This company has no impact on the editorial content of the show.</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e982/" title="Academic Integrity: What 22 Confessions Taught a Teacher" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="551" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/892-tim-plaehn-academic-integrity-1024x551.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/892-tim-plaehn-academic-integrity-1024x551.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/892-tim-plaehn-academic-integrity-300x162.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/892-tim-plaehn-academic-integrity-768x414.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/892-tim-plaehn-academic-integrity-585x315.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/892-tim-plaehn-academic-integrity.png 1170w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>Tim Plaehn found two AI-written papers in a stack of forty-five. Instead of running a detector, he emailed the whole class and offered a way back — and 22 students confessed that night. The honor-council model behind it, and what it changes.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Tim Plaehn is a teacher who writes about honor codes. In his writing class last April, he believed he had two students he knew used AI. So, he gave the whole class an opportunity to &#8220;come clean,&#8221; and he said his email began dinging while 22 of the 40 students admitted they had used AI on their papers. Tim has authored the book,&nbsp;<em>The Honor Code: Students, Integrity, and our Path Forward</em>&nbsp;, where he talks about integrity and how we need to be discussing integrity with our students. This is not an easy topic but an important one!</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Listen to my conversation with Tim Plaehn</strong> — or <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOUTUBE_ID">watch it on YouTube</a>, or <a href="#transcript">read the full transcript</a>.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Tim spent ten years as faculty chair of the honor council at Asheville School. No, their school didn&#8217;t publicly shame students, but the situations were hard nonetheless. He was the one who sat across the table from the students. He also knows the consequences if students aren&#8217;t held accountable (and sometimes even when they are.)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He also talks about some restorative practices. For example, a letter the student writes to their parents about the situation (that never gets sent.) We have so many issues with students these days and Tim shares some practical ideas and thoughts that can help shape our conversations about honor and integrity in school today. </p>



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<blockquote><p>I want to give you a chance to restore your integrity because you&#8217;re headed off to college and it&#8217;s going to be all you.</p><p><cite>Tim Plaehn, American Studies teacher at Asheville School</cite></p></blockquote>
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<h2 id="h-listen-to-the-show" class="wp-block-heading">Listen to the Show</h2>


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<p class="cct-target wp-block-paragraph">Middle and high school teachers who have caught it and don&#8217;t know what to do next — and the deans, principals, and department chairs who write the policy they&#8217;re working under. If you have ever wondered whether your school&#8217;s response to cheating actually changes anybody, this is your twelve minutes.</p>



<h2 id="h-key-takeaways-for-teachers-from-tim-plaehn" class="wp-block-heading">Key Takeaways for Teachers from Tim Plaehn</h2>



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<li><strong>Separate conduct from honor. (06:31)</strong> Out of the dorm after lights gets a detention; cheating on a test gets a conversation with the honor council chairs about what you did and what you&#8217;re going to do about it. Two different problems were getting one response, and Tim says pulling them apart is what made the whole thing work.</li>



<li><strong>Offer restoration before you run detection. (10:57)</strong> Tim didn&#8217;t put the papers through software — he emailed forty-five students and gave them a way to come back, and twenty-two of them took it that night. A detector would have found the two he already knew about, but he would have missed that over half the class used AI. (As I&#8217;ve said before, because DETECTORS DON&#8217;T WORK!)</li>



<li><strong>Have them write the letter, then don&#8217;t send it. (07:11)</strong> Students write to their parents about what they did — and Tim tells them up front it isn&#8217;t going anywhere. It&#8217;s not the punishment; it&#8217;s the part where they have to say it in their own words.</li>



<li><strong>Answer &#8220;I know my child&#8217;s heart&#8221; honestly. (02:58)</strong> No parent knows their child&#8217;s heart well enough to rule out a mistake, and Tim&#8217;s response is the one I keep coming back to: when a kid asks &#8220;Dad, don&#8217;t you trust me?&#8221;, the answer has to be no — not because they&#8217;re bad, but because they&#8217;re fifteen.</li>
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<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">The next time a student owns up to cheating, don&#8217;t start with the consequence. Hand them paper and have them write a letter to their parents explaining what they did and why — and tell them before they start that you are not going to send it. Tim&#8217;s whole point is that the letter isn&#8217;t evidence and it isn&#8217;t a punishment. It&#8217;s the only step in the process where the student has to put the thing into their own words, to the people whose opinion of them they actually care about. It takes one class period and costs nothing.</p>


<p>The part of this conversation that will divide a faculty room is the fourth line of Tim&#8217;s honor code — the one where students agree to report violations. He is candid that it is the piece most often broken, and he doesn&#8217;t pretend there is a clean answer. What he offers instead is a way of framing it that doesn&#8217;t turn a school into an informant culture: snitching, he says, is what you call it when a community is protecting the person who did wrong instead of the community itself.</p>


<p class="cct-research wp-block-paragraph">I mention the Common Sense Media research in this episode. Here is the current number: <strong>86% of kids ages 9 to 17 use AI</strong>, and nearly a quarter use it every day — 81% of 9-to-12-year-olds, 89% of 13-to-15-year-olds, and 92% of 16-and-17-year-olds. More than four in ten say no parent or guardian has ever talked with them about AI safety, and while three-quarters say their school has covered what they can and cannot use AI <em>for</em>, only just over half have been taught how to use it safely. Source: <a href="https://www.commonsensemedia.org/press-releases/common-sense-media-releases-inaugural-annual-study-on-ai-use-by-tweens-and-teens">The Common Sense Media Census: AI Use by Tweens and Teens (2026)</a>, released June 8, 2026, surveying 1,204 children.</p>



<h2 id="h-resources-mentioned-in-this-episode" class="wp-block-heading">Resources Mentioned in This Episode</h2>



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<li><strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0H4922NQ4?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The Honor Code: Students, Integrity, and Our Path Forward</em></a></strong> — Tim&#8217;s book, built on four real honor cases he fictionalized to protect the students in them. He explains why at 01:33: at his school, an honor case is nobody else&#8217;s business.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://timplaehn.substack.com">Tim Plaehn&#8217;s Substack</a></strong> — where he writes about integrity in schools and in the wider culture, and publishes excerpts from the book.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/033mPRiikey1pFtXVNfi4y">The Honor Code podcast</a></strong> — Tim&#8217;s own show, on the same subject as the book.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.ashevilleschool.org/">Asheville School</a></strong> — the North Carolina boarding school where Tim teaches American Studies and chaired the honor council for ten years. The campus detail he describes at 08:01 — laptops and backpacks left out in the open because nobody expects them to be taken — is the culture the honor code is protecting.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.westpoint.edu/about/academy-leadership/office-of-the-commandant/simon-center-for-the-professional-military-ethic/cadet-honor-code">The West Point Cadet Honor Code</a></strong> — the non-toleration model Tim admires at 10:02.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.commonsensemedia.org/press-releases/common-sense-media-releases-inaugural-annual-study-on-ai-use-by-tweens-and-teens">The Common Sense Media Census: AI Use by Tweens and Teens (2026)</a></strong> — the research behind the number I cite at 14:12. Released June 8, 2026; 1,204 children ages 9–17.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Editor&#8217;s note on the West Point honor code: Tim paraphrases it in conversation. The code itself reads, &#8220;A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.&#8221; Asheville School&#8217;s own code — the one whose fourth line Tim is describing — reads, &#8220;I will not lie, cheat, or steal, and I will report any violations of the honor code.&#8221;</em></p>



<h2 id="h-about-tim-plaehn" class="wp-block-heading">About Tim Plaehn</h2>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Tim Plaehn is a writer and teacher living in Asheville, North Carolina. Over his thirty-year career in education he has taught in Las Vegas, Hartford, Atlanta, and Asheville and has earned advanced degrees from Harvard&#8217;s Graduate School of Education and the Bread Loaf School of English. He has been awarded Clark County&#8217;s New Teacher of the Year Award, the Charles N. Carter Leadership Award in Coaching, and the William F. Lewis Faculty Chair for Teaching and Coaching Excellence, among others.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">His first screenplay, <em>The Panjiayuan Diary</em>, won the Beijing International Screenwriting Competition, and he followed that up with <em>The Reconstruction of Huck Finn (Over Mark Twain&#8217;s Dead Body!)</em>, a Nicholl Fellowship semi-finalist in 2017. His play <em>West Asheville</em> was selected to The Barefoot Theatre&#8217;s reading series at the Art of Acting Studio in Los Angeles and for a workshop performance at the Cherry Lane Theatre in New York. His short play <em>Jenna Feldman, A One-Woman Show</em> won the audience favorite award at The Hickory Playground&#8217;s One-Act Play Festival, and <em>Metallica Is the Last Straw</em> was selected for a performance at Toronto&#8217;s InspiraTO Festival. He&#8217;s been published in <em>Short Story America</em> and <em>Creative Loafing</em> and has written screenplays on sumo wrestling, golfing across America, and a family reunion in Ireland gone terribly wrong. That last screenplay had a Top 3 finish in The Nantucket Film Festival&#8217;s screenplay competition in 2022, prompting Olivia Wingate to sign on as producer. He was also awarded Ireland&#8217;s Aran Islands Poetry Fellowship, and he spent a month cold, wet, and happy on Inis Mor.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">His book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0H4922NQ4?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The Honor Code: Students, Integrity, and Our Path Forward</em></a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Find Tim:</strong> <a href="https://timplaehn.substack.com">timplaehn.substack.com</a> · <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/033mPRiikey1pFtXVNfi4y">The Honor Code podcast</a></p>



<h2 id="h-other-shows-for-teachers-and-administrators-facing-the-honesty-question" class="wp-block-heading">Other Shows for Teachers and Administrators Facing the Honesty Question</h2>



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<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e978/">AI and Academic Honesty: The Second Crisis in Schools</a></strong> — philosopher Dr. Christian Miller, author of <em>The Honesty Crisis</em>, on why the internet was the first honesty crisis and AI is the second — and why it runs on both sides of the desk. If this episode landed, that one is the companion.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/honestai/">Honest Conversations About AI: The Need for Truth</a></strong> — the <em>Cool Cat Teacher Talk</em> episode with MIT&#8217;s Justin Reich and Dr. Christian Miller on research, integrity, and what we are actually measuring.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/chat-gpt-in-the-classroom/">The Human Side of AI: A Student&#8217;s ChatGPT Experience</a></strong> — a student who ran his teachers&#8217; assignments through ChatGPT for his senior project to see which ones held up. The other side of Tim&#8217;s story.</li>
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<h2 id="transcript" class="wp-block-heading">Episode Transcript</h2>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (00:00):</strong> Happy Wonderful Classroom Wednesday. This is episode 982, and we&#8217;re talking about honesty. We&#8217;re talking to a teacher who works with the honor code. He thought that only two papers out of 45 had been written by AI, but when he emailed the whole class, over half. Let&#8217;s learn.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Announcer (00:21):</strong> This is the 10-Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (00:25):</strong> Today&#8217;s show is sponsored by Experience AI, the free AI literacy program from the Raspberry Pi Foundation, co-founded with Google DeepMind. Stay to the end. I&#8217;ll share how you can start teaching AI literacy in your classroom with confidence. No experience required. What if the reason cheating keeps winning in so many schools isn&#8217;t that kids have gotten worse? It&#8217;s that we&#8217;ve been treating honesty like a rule instead of teaching it like a subject. Our guest today has spent 10 years as the head of the honor council at a school in North Carolina, watching real students face real consequences. Tim Plaehn teaches American Studies at Asheville School, holds a master&#8217;s from Harvard&#8217;s Graduate School of Education, and was awarded Aran Islands Poetry Fellowship. And he has just published The Honor Code: Students, Integrity, and Our Path Forward. Tim, your book is built on four real cases. Pick one of them. The moment a student sat across from you and you realized this wasn&#8217;t going to be simple.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (01:33):</strong> Well, first of all, I fictionalized the stories. One of our big principles at our school is that, this is no one else&#8217;s business. It&#8217;s really just the chairs of the honor council talking with the student and kind of keeping it in-house. So what I did, I took real cases, I changed the names and I changed the details and I kept the kernels of truth. One of my favorite students who made a terrible decision one day, he walked into another student&#8217;s dorm room, took $100 and went back to his room, immediately regretted it and came to me with $100 and said, what do I do now? So to kind of hold his hand through that process of stealing is an immediate expulsion at our school. And yet this kid, by coming forward and talking it through and expressing his regret, we ended up giving him a second chance. We felt like he was teaching, himself his own lesson before we even got to him. And then the story ends during his senior year when he steals from a store and he ends up getting expelled right before graduation.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (02:43):</strong> Oh, my.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (02:44):</strong> And it&#8217;s just a reminder that kids make bad decisions. And we have to be there, not just to bear witness, but to help them process these decisions that they&#8217;re making so that they don&#8217;t make them as they become adults.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (02:58):</strong> Well, Tim, one of the challenges, and, you know, I&#8217;ve been teaching 24 years, is that I believe early on in my career, not always, But for the most part, students and parents would own up to issues. But I&#8217;ve seen several cases, you know, in the past 10 years where we had it on film. We knew the student did it. And we&#8217;ve even seen this in some very public cases where you see that the person did it. And the parents say, I&#8217;m not even looking at the tape, no matter what they said. If they say they didn&#8217;t do it, they didn&#8217;t do it. That&#8217;s not reality. Kids do make mistakes. How do we deal with this dysreality of those who claim their child would never lie? I had a parent one time say, I know my child&#8217;s heart. My child would never lie. And I&#8217;m like. You don&#8217;t know your child&#8217;s heart because all humans can make mistakes and can lie.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (03:50):</strong> It&#8217;s so funny. You know, you think of like Hollywood movies or TV shows where the kid says to the parent, Dad, don&#8217;t you trust me? The answer has to be no. Like as parents, we have to know that these are teenagers and these are flawed human beings and they&#8217;re going to make mistakes and they&#8217;re going to try to wriggle out of tough situations. You said you are a parent of three. Yes. And as my kids were growing, I said to myself, I&#8217;m always taking the teacher&#8217;s side. I&#8217;m always taking the school&#8217;s side. Did you have a similar commitment?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (04:21):</strong> Well, you know, our commitment was because we had two with learning differences. And so we had advocacy that had to happen. So in front of my child, I was always going to be taking that teacher&#8217;s side. I didn&#8217;t want my child to feel like, oh, I need to give my parent more ammo. However, there were times where they might take me something and I might privately go to the teacher. Or I would teach my child to advocate for themselves. One of mine could not copy off the board without making mistakes. And his math teacher kept writing tests on the board. And so he would copy down 20% of the problems wrong, as we knew he would. And he would work the wrong problem, but he would work it in the right way. But understanding that authority exists, right and wrong exists, that makes the fabric of a home and a society hold together. When you start conditionalizing truth, we have problems. Yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (05:19):</strong> You&#8217;re in trouble. And that&#8217;s one of the reasons I wrote this book is to kind of start a conversation about this and how we all approach this. And I think even when I was frustrated with one of my children&#8217;s teachers, it&#8217;s all about conversations. It&#8217;s all about dialogue. And it&#8217;s not coming at the problem necessarily as opposition. And that&#8217;s what I found. There have been some cases over the years where. Parents have come after me because I was trying to get their child to tell the whole truth.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (05:53):</strong> Yeah.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (05:55):</strong> And they wanted to protect their child. But of course, in so doing, they&#8217;re not protecting their child in a way that&#8217;s going to help them grow and become a responsible, critical thinking adult. I think that challenge is becoming increasingly more pronounced for us as teachers.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (06:11):</strong> Because to have redemption, my goal of any behavioral issue is that we&#8217;ll learn from it, we&#8217;ll grow from it, we&#8217;ll redeem the mistake. But if you can&#8217;t admit there&#8217;s a mistake, if you can&#8217;t admit that you did wrong, you can&#8217;t even start that process because then you&#8217;re dealing with lying.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (06:30):</strong> Right. And this is, at Asheville School, what we do is we separate conduct from honor. We found that when they&#8217;re together, things get messy, things get overly complicated. Let&#8217;s say a student is in another dorm room after lights. That&#8217;s a conduct issue. You&#8217;ll have detention. But if you cheat on a test, that&#8217;s an honor issue. And you&#8217;re going to sit down with the chair of the honor council, both the student chair and the faculty chair, and just kind of talk through your thought process, why you did this, what you could have done differently. And then to your point, what is the restorative justice step we&#8217;re going to take? You know, is it a quick note to the teacher? Is it, sometimes I would have my offenders write a letter to their parents that we would not send. And I&#8217;d tell them, we&#8217;re not going to send this to your parents, but what would it feel like for you to have to tell your parents that you did this? How would that impact you? What would you say to them? Just so they can kind of process their misstep emotionally and kind of think through those consequences down the road.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (07:37):</strong> So when you talk about honor, the pledge that you were sworn to uphold ends with, I will report any violations. So you&#8217;re asking 15-year-olds to turn in a friend. How can you enforce this without it becoming like a snitch society? I like how you separate conduct from honor, but how do you manage this and encourage to turn in violations and not have that snitch environment?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (08:01):</strong> It&#8217;s a super difficult job. Like the fourth point of our honor code is the one that gives our students the most pause. And without us being able to chase it down, it&#8217;s certainly the piece of our honor code that&#8217;s most often broken. Students know what other students are up to. Well, I try to frame it, though, is this idea of snitching or tattling that comes from a culture of, that wants to protect those making mistakes against an institution or against a community. And if you want to live in a certain kind of community, you have to face up to certain responsibilities. On our campus, for instance, we don&#8217;t put anything away. You&#8217;ll see computers and phones and backpacks just strewn about outside rooms, you know, because the expectation in our community is that nothing will be stolen and that we trust each other. Well, part of the creation of that community is that we&#8217;ve got some skin in the game, that we all want to see this community in such a light. And so you have to then take responsibility. What I tell my students, because it&#8217;s a tough one, it really is. You know, would you tell on your neighbor if he were violating the water ban in your community and, you know, spraying his lawn at night? And they&#8217;re like, oh, no, we&#8217;d probably let that go. I&#8217;m like, okay, what if he was running an international children&#8217;s sex ring? Like, what? I&#8217;m like, yeah, you&#8217;re going to step up. You&#8217;re going to do something. That&#8217;s a hard step for a teenager to make and figure out when to do that. But to their credit, we have some students who are like, you know, I&#8217;m not comfortable telling you this, but I saw Steve cheating on this test. Ultimately, it&#8217;s for Steve&#8217;s benefit that that student is coming forward to tell us. Ultimately, Steve is going to learn that cheating is only going to get him so far. But I agree with you. It&#8217;s a challenge. I like how West Point does it in their honor code. It says, I will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor will I tolerate any violation of the honor code. And that idea that a West Point grad is going to hold his fellow or her fellow cadets up to a certain standard because they&#8217;re trying to make our military, you know, operate at a certain level. So you&#8217;re not going to tolerate someone who&#8217;s taking shortcuts because what&#8217;s going to happen down the road when you really need that person to step up?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (10:36):</strong> Honor is important for a reason. None of us want to waste our time. Teachers are optimists. We want the future to be better than the past. And we want to pour into these kids. And when we feel like, what just happened? Did I just pretended to give you an assignment? You just pretended to do it? Then some teachers AI grade it. So then I just pretended to grade it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (10:55):</strong> What are we doing?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (10:56):</strong> We&#8217;re better than this, right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (10:57):</strong> There was an assignment I gave and this was an eight week research paper. They got to choose their topics and dive in. And, you know, we had weeks and weeks of research, note-taking, outlining, drafting. And finally the due date came and it was a Sunday night and I was grading these papers and I came across two that were clearly AI. By the end of the year, I know they&#8217;re writing very well. As a teacher, the betrayal you feel. I can&#8217;t believe they would do this to me. But I said, you know what? I want to give them a chance. To restore their integrity. So I emailed all 44 of my students and I said, hey, a number of you use ChatGPT on these papers. I want to give you a chance to restore your integrity because you&#8217;re headed off to college and it&#8217;s going to be all you. So all I want you to do is if you use ChatGPT, just email me back and say, my bad. Then you and I will tackle what comes next. We&#8217;ll get through this together. The number of dings that began coming through on my computer as I went away, I had found two out of 45 and it was just ding, ding, ding. By the end of the night, 22 of my students had come forward and said, I did use ChatGPT. It was an eight page paper. It was challenging. They started to run out of things to say on page six and they took that unfortunate step. I love the fact that they came forward. I love the fact that they admitted it. And we got to have a really good talk about what are they going to do in college? Like, How are you going to face this in college with assignment after assignment after assignment?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (12:25):</strong> How did you feel as 22 dings after you sent that email and you&#8217;re like, what? Like that shakes you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (12:34):</strong> It really did. It really did. It shook them. Which I appreciated. You know, when we unpacked it over the next few days, like they were a little like, golly, all of us? You know, they might have known a few here and there, but not even my students were expecting 22 out of 45. And apparently I was told by another student that one of his friends was too scared to come forward. He was going to ride it out. So apparently it was 23 out of 45. That was a tough, tough April for me.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (13:08):</strong> I appreciate you speaking the truth because I&#8217;ll tell you, as I&#8217;ve dealt with it in certain things, I&#8217;ve had the talk and had one or two and found out it was over half the class. This is not just a Tim or a Vicki thing. This is a everything, everywhere.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (13:25):</strong> Where it seems so many of my friends at a number of schools, so many of them are focused on AI and AI instructions and AI discussions without the attendant discussions of integrity. What exactly is it we&#8217;re after? Companies pushing schools to really invest in AI instruction because this is the future and kids need to know AI. I have no doubt that they&#8217;re right, but I think what our kids really need to learn at this stage is how to think critically, how to be honest, how to be persevering. You know, I think those are the skills that are going to provide for them for the rest of their lives.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (14:12):</strong> The current research from Common Sense Media says 84% of kids are now using AI.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Tim Plaehn (14:16):</strong> I think that&#8217;s one of the biggest challenges for our teenagers is authenticity. Like, Who you are is not your latest Instagram post or who you are is not the influencer you&#8217;re following. And so I think ideas like that, ideas like integrity, authenticity, being honest, those are some skills that we&#8217;ve really got to dig into. But I think as institutions, we have to figure out a way to bring this idea into every single classroom and kind of speak with one voice about its importance.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (14:56):</strong> So we&#8217;ve been talking with Tim Plaehn, American Studies teacher at Asheville School, and he has just published The Honor Code: Students, Integrity, and Our Path Forward. Tim, thanks for coming on the show and thanks for telling your story. Experience AI, co-founded by the Raspberry Pi Foundation and Google DeepMind, sponsored today&#8217;s show. Experience AI is a free AI literacy program downloaded more than a million times worldwide. It provides teachers with ready-to-teach lessons with slides, lesson plans, worksheets, and an excellent free AI glossary that I highly recommend downloading first. Within the resources, there are unplugged activities for you to explore with your learners that don&#8217;t require a computer at all. Experience AI supports all teachers, regardless of subject area, and doesn&#8217;t require any computer science or background knowledge. Get Experience AI free at coolcatteacher.com forward slash experience AI. That&#8217;s coolcatteacher.com forward slash experience AI. I&#8217;m recommending Experience AI because these lessons help you teach AI literacy with confidence and teach students how these systems actually work. Thank you, Experience AI, for sponsoring today&#8217;s show.</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/ai-fact-checking-ensemble-method/" title="AI Fact Checking Using the Ensemble Method" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="551" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1-1024x551.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1-1024x551.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1-300x162.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1-768x414.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1-585x315.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1.png 1170w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>I asked Google how often AI hallucinates, then fact-checked the answer with Claude, ChatGPT, and Perplexity. Every model caught real errors — and every model introduced some. Here is the ensemble method I used, what each tool got wrong, and why the original sources still beat any AI summary of them.</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/ai-fact-checking-ensemble-method/" title="AI Fact Checking Using the Ensemble Method" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="551" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1-1024x551.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1-1024x551.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1-300x162.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1-768x414.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1-585x315.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Ai-fact-checking-blog-post-1.png 1170w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Generative answers are everywhere. People like them because they are simple and they just &#8220;give the answer.&#8221; But what if the answer is nuanced. And what if, in the case of the generative tool, it is so eager to give an answer that it makes mistakes that any researcher would understand. Let&#8217;s go through an example.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, first, <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1406.2661" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Generative Adversarial Networks</a> were used from roughly 2017 to 2022 to make deepfake videos. So, one model generates the video, another model evaluates it, and they go back and forth until the video quality becomes so good that it could become undetectable from the real thing. At first I called what I was doing a GAN, but it turns out a GAN is a training architecture, not what I&#8217;m doing. The right word is <strong>ensembling.</strong>  Some may call it a &#8220;multi-agent debate&#8221; or &#8220;cross-model verification.&#8221; How did I find this out? I am training my AI tools to teach me more about AI and check my word choices and teach me about the models that underlie what I&#8217;m doing. It is a helpful method for learning in a domain of knowledge, to be up front with the tools you use about the pursuit of knowledge in that domain. It creates a mini spotlight that the AI tool will use to funnel me more of what I want to learn about.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As I dug into ensemble methods, I found the <a href="https://www.nist.gov/publications/post-processing-system-yield-reduced-word-error-rates-recognizer-output-voting-error" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><strong>ROVER Method</strong></a> is one that I&#8217;m really using for these transcripts that are more accurate. So, I use <a href="https://riverside.fm/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Riverside</a> which generates a transcript.  Then, I put a video into <a href="https://www.adobe.com/products/premiere.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Adobe Premiere Pro</a> which uses another model to generate a transcript. Finally, I use <a href="https://auphonic.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Auphonic</a> which then uses <a href="https://openai.com/index/whisper/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Whisper</a> to generate a transcript. Then, <a href="https://claude.ai/download" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Claude Cowork</a> has a skill that I built which takes the bio of the guest and the topic to ensure that all acronyms are appropriate for that domain of knowledge and defined in the transcript and I also have fact checking to double check anything said built in. And the transcripts are compared until a final transcript emerges. I&#8217;ve found that each model is better at different things. Adobe for timings and finding subtle noises and words. Riverside for getting the names accurate. And Whisper for double-checking hard-to-hear phrases and such. And between them as I run them &#8220;against&#8221; one another, and have Claude ask me about discrepancies, I can get transcripts that are more accurate, less expensive, and less time consuming than what I&#8217;ve ever done before. It is a technique. By running the models against each other, I&#8217;m getting better results.</p>



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    <p style="margin:0;color:#ffba08;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:1.5px;text-transform:uppercase;">Vocabulary for This Post</p>
    <p style="margin:6px 0 0;color:#ffffff;font-size:21px;font-weight:700;line-height:1.3;">Six words you need to read the numbers in this post</p>
    <p style="margin:10px 0 0;color:#ffffff;font-size:15px;line-height:1.55;opacity:.94;"><em>Hallucination</em> and <em>confabulation</em> are already on my <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zq6EQOwaqLglcxL8mxs_npLg1E2KbROztWX2yijsxqM/edit#heading=h.6fgxef4vrnj2" style="color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">AI Vocabulary List</a>. The other four are new — I&#8217;m adding them today, along with three from Monday&#8217;s episode. Want to find out how many of these words you already know? Play <a href="https://spy-the-ai-game-coolcatteacher.netlify.app/" style="color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">Spy the AI</a>, the free vocabulary game I vibe coded from that same list.</p>
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    <p style="margin:0 0 5px;color:#03256c;font-size:17px;font-weight:700;">Hallucination <span style="font-weight:400;font-size:14px;color:#5a6172;">(also called confabulation)</span></p>
    <p style="margin:0;color:#333;font-size:15px;line-height:1.6;">When an AI states something false as though it were fact. Some researchers prefer <em>confabulation</em>, because the model isn&#8217;t seeing something that isn&#8217;t there — it&#8217;s filling a gap with something that sounds plausible.</p>
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    <p style="margin:0 0 5px;color:#03256c;font-size:17px;font-weight:700;">Hallucination rate</p>
    <p style="margin:0;color:#333;font-size:15px;line-height:1.6;">The share of a model&#8217;s answers judged false on a given test. <strong>The catch that drives this whole post:</strong> every benchmark defines the bottom of that fraction differently. Two numbers both called a &#8220;hallucination rate&#8221; are often not measuring the same thing at all.</p>
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    <p style="margin:0 0 5px;color:#03256c;font-size:17px;font-weight:700;">Benchmark</p>
    <p style="margin:0;color:#333;font-size:15px;line-height:1.6;">A standardized test used to score AI models. Results are only comparable <em>within</em> the same benchmark, and only as of the date the test was run. Leaderboards change constantly — the announcement post about a benchmark is almost never its current scores.</p>
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    <p style="margin:0 0 5px;color:#03256c;font-size:17px;font-weight:700;">Generative Adversarial Network (GAN)</p>
    <p style="margin:0;color:#333;font-size:15px;line-height:1.6;">A <em>training</em> architecture in which two neural networks are trained together: a generator makes candidates and a discriminator judges them, and the generator improves from that feedback. This is how many early <a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/ai-photos-and-deepfakes-quantum-for-littles-and-real-help-for-behavior/" style="color:#2599ff;font-weight:700;">deepfakes</a> were made. Important distinction: comparing several <em>already-trained</em> models to each other is not a GAN — no training is happening. That&#8217;s ensembling.</p>
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    <p style="margin:0 0 5px;color:#03256c;font-size:17px;font-weight:700;">Ensembling <span style="font-weight:400;font-size:14px;color:#5a6172;">(model ensembling)</span></p>
    <p style="margin:0;color:#333;font-size:15px;line-height:1.6;">Running more than one model on the same task and combining the results, because different models are good at different things. For speech-to-text this has a documented name — <strong>ROVER</strong>, from NIST in 1997. For chatbots checking each other&#8217;s answers, researchers call it <strong>multi-agent debate</strong>.</p>
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    <p style="margin:0 0 5px;color:#03256c;font-size:17px;font-weight:700;">Adversarial testing</p>
    <p style="margin:0;color:#333;font-size:15px;line-height:1.6;">Deliberately feeding a system input designed to make it fail, to find out where it breaks. In the clinical study below, researchers planted one fabricated medical detail in every case. An adversarial score answers <em>&#8220;how easily can this be tricked?&#8221;</em> — not <em>&#8220;how often is it wrong in normal use?&#8221;</em> Two very different questions.</p>
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    <p style="margin:0 0 8px;color:#ffffff;font-size:15px;line-height:1.6;"><strong style="color:#ffba08;">Also just added from Monday&#8217;s episode:</strong> <strong>De-identification</strong> — removing the details that connect data to a real person before it goes anywhere near an AI tool. <strong>API</strong> — a doorway that lets one program hand data to another. <strong>Interview Prompting</strong> — asking the AI to interview <em>you</em> instead of trying to write one perfect prompt. All three come from <a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e981/" style="color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">A.J. Juliani&#8217;s data dashboard episode</a>.</p>
    <p style="margin:0;color:#ffffff;font-size:14px;line-height:1.55;opacity:.85;">Prefer a copy you can print or hand out? <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/68ytnjbexdzrt8477v0fy/AI-Terms-Student-Handout.docx?rlkey=ob8ufw8ecrxz2m4qprpj92yy5&amp;dl=0" style="color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">Download the AI Terms Student Handout</a>.</p>
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<h2 id="h-what-about-fact-checking" class="wp-block-heading">What About Fact Checking</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We know about AI &#8220;hallucination&#8221; or as many prefer to say &#8220;confabulation&#8221; where AI just makes stuff up. But now, AI can cite things so it is supposed to be better, right? </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Well, I went through an example that I&#8217;ll be using with students because it really shows the nuances of AI and research studies. Simpler is not always better when it means we think we understand and state error as fact. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now, do not stop at Step 2, or even at Step 3. I need you to follow this chain of reasoning here so we can answer the question: <strong>how accurate are &#8220;AI Overviews&#8221;</strong> and is the question<strong> even the right question to ask?</strong></p>



<h3 id="h-step-1-google-search" class="wp-block-heading">Step 1: Google Search</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, first, I&#8217;m working to find hallucination rates for AI currently, so I did a simple Google search.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img decoding="async" width="865" height="837" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Screenshot-2026-09-01-at-12.00.59-PM.png" alt="Google AI Overview answering a search for AI hallucination rates, listing figures from under 2 percent on summarization to over 88 percent on complex domain queries" class="wp-image-35315" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Screenshot-2026-09-01-at-12.00.59-PM.png 865w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Screenshot-2026-09-01-at-12.00.59-PM-300x290.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Screenshot-2026-09-01-at-12.00.59-PM-768x743.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Screenshot-2026-09-01-at-12.00.59-PM-585x566.png 585w" sizes="(max-width: 865px) 100vw, 865px" /></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is a number I update quite frequently, but I was curious as to the accuracy of these numbers in the generative search box. The first thing that bothers me is that whenever I see numbers presented without citations, an alarm bell goes off. See the words &#8220;high rates&#8221; and &#8220;legal research&#8221; and &#8220;low rates&#8221; &#8211; perhaps the citation on the second bullet is there, but sometimes it isn&#8217;t.</p>



<h3 id="h-step-2-claude-fact-checking-skill" class="wp-block-heading">STEP 2: Claude Fact Checking Skill</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, I took a screenshot of the Google search and went to Claude. Now, granted, if I had pasted in the research links, more accurate information would have happened arguably at this step. But I want to demonstrate how we&#8217;re fact checking at a conference or event, that we might take a screenshot, so for now, this test is using screenshots.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, I went into Claude and pasted the screenshot and asked it to &#8220;fact-check these numbers from a Google search.&#8221; Then, after it came back with errors, I asked it to update the Google graphic with information on what it found. On the right are Claude&#8217;s verdicts, and on the left is the original search. But wait, we need to get the <strong>ensemble activated here.</strong> We&#8217;re not done yet. Gemini may not be so bad, and Claude might not be so good. (Again, I didn&#8217;t give links, or item 2 would have been a different answer.) I use ChatGPT Pro and Perplexity Pro as part of this process.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img decoding="async" width="1024" height="841" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v1-SUPERSEDED-1024x841.png" alt="First fact-check graphic: the Google AI Overview on the left with six numbered claims marked, and Claude's verdicts on the right, two of them marked wrong in red" class="wp-image-35316" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v1-SUPERSEDED-1024x841.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v1-SUPERSEDED-300x246.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v1-SUPERSEDED-767x630.png 767w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v1-SUPERSEDED-1170x961.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v1-SUPERSEDED-585x480.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v1-SUPERSEDED.png 1505w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Version 1 of fact-checking from Gemini to Claude. Do not cite this one. It is full of errors, as you&#8217;ll see! </figcaption></figure>



<p class="cct-takeaway wp-block-paragraph">Note:  I have programmed my AI tools to help me teach. Everything I create is in the context of teaching someone, even myself, so you can see the lesson for the student emerge organically from that memory file.</p>



<h3 id="h-step-3-fact-check-with-chatgpt-pro-set-to-high" class="wp-block-heading">STEP 3: Fact Check with ChatGPT Pro set to &#8220;high&#8221;</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, now I took the graphic from Claude that is above and I pasted it into ChatGPT, again using the screenshots. Its conclusion, &#8220;There are errors on both sides.&#8221; So, now this third model is finding errors on both sides of the equation, both Gemini and Claude. Here is the summary it found.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img decoding="async" width="1024" height="1003" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Screenshot-2026-09-01-at-12.18.43-PM-1024x1003.png" alt="ChatGPT's comparison table finding errors in both Google's AI Overview and Claude's fact check of it" class="wp-image-35317" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Screenshot-2026-09-01-at-12.18.43-PM-1024x1003.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Screenshot-2026-09-01-at-12.18.43-PM-300x294.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Screenshot-2026-09-01-at-12.18.43-PM-767x751.png 767w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Screenshot-2026-09-01-at-12.18.43-PM-585x573.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Screenshot-2026-09-01-at-12.18.43-PM.png 1149w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">ChatGPT, to summarize, found the following:</p>



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<li>Claude got Vectara backwards and found the November 19, 2025 announcement and not the newer announcement.</li>



<li>ChatGPT&#8217;s wording is important here, &#8220;I would not call most of Google&#8217;s individual numbers hallucinations. The more serious issue is they answer different questions&#8230;those percentages cannot meaningfully be placed on one common ruler. Here is what <a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9701ef-8290-83ea-8b92-bf9ade36f4c2">ChatGPT states </a>about these. </li>
</ul>



<pre class="wp-block-preformatted">A Vectara 1.8% means roughly: When the model is handed the source document and told to summarize only that material, how often does the summary contain something unsupported?<br /><br />The Stanford legal number means: When an older general-purpose LLM is asked precise questions about federal court cases without necessarily being handed authoritative source material, how often is its response inconsistent with the legal facts?<br /><br />The Mount Sinai clinical number means: If researchers deliberately planted a nonexistent medical fact in a case, how often will the model fall for the trap and elaborate on it?<br /><br />AA-Omniscience asks yet another question about whether models guess rather than admit they do not know. Its hallucination rate denominator is specifically incorrect / (incorrect + partial + not attempted).</pre>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Oh my, so you mean my fact-check tool can be wrong too? Now, we&#8217;re getting past hallucination, and we need to be careful about throwing around this word. We&#8217;re talking about accuracy here, and mismatched research outputs can make a big mess. </p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img decoding="async" width="1024" height="551" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/4-different-rulers-1024x551.png" alt="" class="wp-image-35329" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/4-different-rulers-1024x551.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/4-different-rulers-300x162.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/4-different-rulers-767x413.png 767w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/4-different-rulers-585x315.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/4-different-rulers.png 1170w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">When you look at the cited results above, they do not go together. This is a problem with wanting a &#8220;simple answer&#8221; in an emerging field like AI lots of studies are being done but have different research questions and methodologies that do not mean they can go together.!</figcaption></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As ChatGPT said, we don&#8217;t have one ruler; we have four rulers here, and they have mixed together things that don&#8217;t go together. Humans make mistakes. So do AI models that trained themselves on humans, and <strong><mark style="background-color:#fcb900" class="has-inline-color">for the sake of simplicity, start boiling together ingredients that are basically like mixing chocolate and vinegar and dirt for good measure and expecting a Flambé</mark></strong>.</p>



<h3 id="h-step-4-pasting-chatgpt-s-answer-back-into-claude-and-asking-for-a-response" class="wp-block-heading">STEP 4: Pasting ChatGPT&#8217;s answer back into Claude and asking for a Response</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ok, this is where the apologies start. We all know the drill. We catch AI making mistakes and then it is sickly sorry for what it has done.  The two apologies included:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Vectara Leaderboard, it pulled November 2025 instead of May 11, 2026. This is a good catch and precisely how you see how multiple models can help things.</li>



<li>ChatGPT caught a logic error because it implied that o1 was not a reasoning model, but it was, so that comparison can&#8217;t demonstrate that reasoning models hallucinate more, only that the newer one scored worse than an older one.</li>



<li>It said it had dismissed suprmind.ai as an &#8220;SEO content hub&#8221; without looking at the source of the numbers on that page. So, it looked at the source that held the numbers and didn&#8217;t realize that it also had a source, revealing a flaw. If something is searchable and findable and holds a number, sometimes AI only goes to that page instead of tracking back to the original sources.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, then it said that ChatGPT was not right about Gemini 3 Flash at 92%, as it found that Gemini 3 Flash was at 88%, so they disagreed on that model so it is more accurate to leave the ceiling out.</p>



<p class="cct-takeaway wp-block-paragraph">At this point, I think most people would fatigue and say &#8220;what is right here&#8221; but I&#8217;m about to do a big old mammoth update to throw a whole bunch of data into my tool to help determine what is right but the conclusion &#8211; by the Ai models themselves &#8211; is going to be a powerful one if you can persist. Again, we&#8217;re running models against models. And in the end, students need to understand not only are there errors, but sometimes, those errors are there because of mistakes in looking at the wrong information and aren&#8217;t just &#8220;hallucinations.&#8221; That research is nuanced and that human eyeballs are valuable.</p>



<h3 id="h-step-5-multiple-model-fact-checking" class="wp-block-heading">STEP 5: Multiple model fact checking</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, I just wanted to be done with this, so I took Claude&#8217;s results and put them into both <a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/6a9701ef-8290-83ea-8b92-bf9ade36f4c2">ChatGPT </a>and Perplexity. I specifically <a href="https://www.perplexity.ai/computer/tasks/f7c861b9-f5ef-4e8f-a0c3-2e39fe132e2e?view=thread">told Perplexity</a> that I had used Claude and ChatGPT, and that I had put it in orchestrator mode, so it might need to use other models. I&#8217;ve linked the chats above for transparency and so you can see some of the exciting nuance that comes out of these.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Interesting tidbits: </p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Perplexity and Claude both used the older November 2025 article instead of the newer article. As Claude said, <em>&#8220;Perplexity confidently endorsed my wrong verdict using the same bad method that produced it.&#8221;</em></li>



<li>ChatGPT was the tool that found that Llama 2 was the wrong example to use for Google&#8217;s ceiling.</li>



<li>Because of &#8220;disagreements&#8221; between models and the fact they didn&#8217;t report the ceiling of some numbers, it is better to leave it out.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now, if you look at my Claude chat for this, you&#8217;ll see a &#8220;retrospective,&#8221; which is where Claude analyzes what it got wrong. There is a method to my madness here with this and I&#8217;ll get there in a moment. But t<a href="https://www.perplexity.ai/computer/tasks/f7c861b9-f5ef-4e8f-a0c3-2e39fe132e2e?view=thread">he Perplexity chat</a> says something interesting:</p>



<pre class="wp-block-preformatted">"The teaching point in your footer is the real lesson: the primary sources (live leaderboard, paper abstract, system card) beat any AI summary of them, including one AI's summary of another AI's summary."</pre>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, the AI itself acknowledges that we have a big old mess without consulting the original sources. So, then I took information from both ChatGPT and Perplexity and here&#8217;s the current output of AI evaluating the Google AI Overview.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img decoding="async" width="997" height="1024" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v3-997x1024.png" alt="Third version of the fact-check graphic, which drifted off task by adding a panel of Claude's corrections to its own earlier work" class="wp-image-35318" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v3-997x1024.png 997w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v3-292x300.png 292w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v3-767x788.png 767w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v3-1496x1536.png 1496w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v3-1170x1201.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v3-585x601.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-v3.png 1565w" sizes="(max-width: 997px) 100vw, 997px" /></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">OK, so this is interesting now. I want a graphic evaluating Google, and Claude is interjecting evaluations of itself. This is &#8220;<strong>mission drift</strong>&#8221; in action, particularly when you are fact-checking. So, I&#8217;m having to ask for a final graphic evaluating the Google generative results on the hallucination rates of AI models. </p>



<h3 id="h-step-6-re-generate-the-original-graphic-for-the-original-purpose-of-this-task" class="wp-block-heading">STEP 6: Re-generate the original graphic for the original purpose of this task</h3>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img decoding="async" width="1024" height="898" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-1024x898.png" alt="Final fact-check graphic: six claims from Google's AI Overview with verdicts beside each, two verified and four needing context, none fabricated" class="wp-image-35319" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-1024x898.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-300x263.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-768x673.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-1536x1347.png 1536w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-1170x1026.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check-585x513.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/Google-AI-Overview-Fact-Check.png 1565w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now, I want you to note a few issues that I do not like about the information above:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>The citations are small and listed at the top. Again, we have a graphic and it is hard to fact check. I, thus, asked AI to generate a research box so I can read information and double check the conclusions.</li>



<li>I would really like all models used to be documented somewhere somehow. It is citing the human, for sure, me &#8211; Vicki Davis- but it isn&#8217;t putting &#8220;Created using Claude Cowork&#8221; or any other models that I used in the fact-checking process. I think model disclosure will be very helpful in the future, even as we humans are held accountable. Being able to be cognizant of the need to document chats in this way is important. When you see the chat, you&#8217;ll see what I mean. </li>



<li>Before I would produce this as &#8220;research,&#8221; I would need to sit down and read every single study, and I would argue that, with all of this back and forth, reading original source documents is more important than ever. We should be researching slower not faster when we see this happen.</li>



<li>I would really like to be able to generate a link to share this claude check but because I run Claude Cowork on my computer, I&#8217;ll have to generate a PDF instead which I will paste below. </li>
</ul>



<p class="cct-takeaway wp-block-paragraph">When you look at this, you&#8217;ll notice how I use Claude to fact-check my writing. Now, you might think &#8211; Claude was wrong; why would you use it to fact-check? Well, particularly in AI terminology, I&#8217;m learning and need to keep learning and understand various models. I believe that workflow is more important than ever, as are AI techniques, and to teach this, I have to understand and use the proper vocabulary. I live in rural Georgia — to call it the sticks might be an insult to sticks. So I can&#8217;t really go to my local coffee shop and hang out with the other AI nerds. I have to watch them on YouTube and read their articles on LinkedIn, so I&#8217;ve programmed the AI to help me be more accurate and precise in my AI speech. This is an example of using AI for learning. Also, the ability to produce a PDF of an AI chat is a valuable part of documentation as we look at the process of research.</p>



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<h3 id="h-step-7-generate-the-research-used-for-this-output-with-hyperlinks" class="wp-block-heading">STEP 7: Generate the Research Used for This Output with Hyperlinks.</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I like to generate research as an HTML box I can paste into WordPress and then I can click on the links and review them in a new browser. </p>



<h2>Research Citations</h2>

<p><em>Every figure in the graphic above traces to one of the primary sources below, verified September 1, 2026. No aggregator numbers, no launch announcements, and no AI summaries were used as evidence.</em></p>

<h3>Sources used</h3>

<p><strong>Grounded summarization</strong><br />
Vectara Hallucination Leaderboard (live repository, updated May 11, 2026). <a href="https://github.com/vectara/hallucination-leaderboard" target="_blank" rel="noopener">github.com/vectara/hallucination-leaderboard</a> &mdash; source of the 1.8%, 3.1%, and 3.3% figures. The 9.6% median across 105 models was computed directly from this table.<br />
Awadallah, A. and Mendelevitch, O. &ldquo;Introducing the Next Generation of Vectara&rsquo;s Hallucination Leaderboard.&rdquo; Vectara, November 19, 2025. <a href="https://www.vectara.com/blog/introducing-the-next-generation-of-vectaras-hallucination-leaderboard" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Read the announcement</a> &mdash; cited for methodology only.</p>

<p><strong>Open-domain factual recall</strong><br />
AA-Omniscience evaluation page, Artificial Analysis (live scores and metric definition). <a href="https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/omniscience" target="_blank" rel="noopener">artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/omniscience</a><br />
Jackson, D., Keating, W., Cameron, G. and Hill-Smith, M. &ldquo;AA-Omniscience: Evaluating Cross-Domain Knowledge Reliability in Large Language Models.&rdquo; arXiv:2511.13029, 2025. <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.13029" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Read the paper</a></p>

<p><strong>Reasoning models</strong><br />
OpenAI. &ldquo;OpenAI o3 and o4-mini System Card,&rdquo; April 2025, Table 4. <a href="https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/2221c875-02dc-4789-800b-e7758f3722c1/o3-and-o4-mini-system-card.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Read the system card</a></p>

<p><strong>Legal research</strong><br />
Dahl, M., Magesh, V., Suzgun, M. and Ho, D. E. &ldquo;Large Legal Fictions: Profiling Legal Hallucinations in Large Language Models.&rdquo; <em>Journal of Legal Analysis</em>, 16(1), 2024, pp. 64&ndash;93. <a href="https://academic.oup.com/jla/article/16/1/64/7699227" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Read the paper</a> &middot; <a href="https://reglab.stanford.edu/publications/hlarge-legal-fictions-profiling-legal-hallucinations-in-large-language-models/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Stanford RegLab summary</a></p>

<p><strong>Clinical decision support</strong><br />
&ldquo;Multi-model assurance analysis showing large language models are highly vulnerable to adversarial hallucination attacks during clinical decision support.&rdquo; <em>Communications Medicine</em> (Nature Portfolio), 2025. Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s43856-025-01021-3" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Read the study</a> &middot; <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40753316/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">PubMed listing</a></p>

<h3>Methods and terminology</h3>

<p>Fiscus, J. G. &ldquo;A Post-Processing System to Yield Reduced Word Error Rates: Recognizer Output Voting Error Reduction (ROVER).&rdquo; <em>Proceedings of the IEEE Workshop on Automatic Speech Recognition and Understanding</em>, Santa Barbara, CA, 1997, pp. 347&ndash;354. <a href="https://www.nist.gov/publications/post-processing-system-yield-reduced-word-error-rates-recognizer-output-voting-error" target="_blank" rel="noopener">NIST record</a> &mdash; the documented technique for combining multiple speech-recognition outputs into one composite transcript more accurate than any single system.</p>

<p>Du, Y., Li, S., Torralba, A., Tenenbaum, J. B. and Mordatch, I. &ldquo;Improving Factuality and Reasoning in Language Models through Multiagent Debate.&rdquo; arXiv:2305.14325, 2023; published at ICML 2024. <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.14325" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Read the paper</a> &mdash; multiple model instances debate an answer across rounds, improving factual validity.</p>

<p>Goodfellow, I. et al. &ldquo;Generative Adversarial Networks.&rdquo; arXiv:1406.2661, 2014. <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1406.2661" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Read the paper</a> &mdash; cited for contrast. A GAN trains a generator and a discriminator together in one loop, with the discriminator&rsquo;s judgment updating the generator&rsquo;s weights. It is a training architecture, not a method for comparing finished models.</p>

<h2>Sources Rejected, and Why</h2>

<p><em>This list is the more useful one for classroom use. Each source below showed up during the research and was deliberately left out. Every link in this section is marked &ldquo;nofollow&rdquo; on purpose &mdash; see my note below.</em></p>

<p><strong>1. Vectara&rsquo;s launch blog post, quoted as current data.</strong> It is a snapshot from November 19, 2025, not the live leaderboard. Quoting its top scores as today&rsquo;s produced the false claim that no model scores under 2%. The live repository shows 1.8%. <em>The rule: a launch announcement records the day a benchmark was newest. For current numbers, open the artifact the announcement points to.</em> <a href="https://www.vectara.com/blog/introducing-the-next-generation-of-vectaras-hallucination-leaderboard" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">See the announcement</a></p>

<p><strong>2. AA-Omniscience&rsquo;s launch article, quoted as current data.</strong> The same error on a second benchmark. Its &ldquo;lowest at 26%&rdquo; was quoted as the current floor; the live page shows 1%. Two details worth showing students: the article states its own figure inconsistently (28% in one bullet, 26% in another), and it explicitly says <em>&ldquo;For up to date AA-Omniscience scores, see the AA-Omniscience evaluation page.&rdquo;</em> The correction was printed right there and still got missed. <a href="https://artificialanalysis.ai/articles/aa-omniscience-knowledge-hallucination-benchmark" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">See the launch article</a></p>

<p><strong>3. Aggregator and content-hub pages.</strong> No methodology, no version history, no date-stamp showing which snapshot a number came from. The subtlety worth teaching: one such page&rsquo;s numbers were actually correct. It was first dismissed for <em>looking</em> like a content farm rather than for any test of its figures &mdash; right conclusion, wrong reasoning. The real test is not whether a page looks credible but whether its numbers trace to a primary source you can open. <a href="https://suprmind.ai/hub/ai-hallucination-rates-and-benchmarks/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">See the page in question</a></p>

<p><strong>4. &ldquo;22% to 94% across 26 models,&rdquo; attributed to the Stanford AI Index 2026.</strong> Could not be verified against the AI Index itself, and the descriptions that could be found identify it as <em>sycophancy-induced</em> hallucination &mdash; a different measurement. Two numbers both labeled &ldquo;hallucination rate&rdquo; are not necessarily measuring the same thing. <a href="https://hai.stanford.edu/assets/files/ai_index_report_2026.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">See the AI Index report</a></p>

<p><strong>5. &ldquo;Gemini 3 Flash at 92%.&rdquo;</strong> Sources disagreed and none was primary: reachable sources said 88%, two AI models later said 91%, the original claim was 92%. The live page publishes lowest scores but not highest, so the question stayed open. The graphic says &ldquo;above 90%&rdquo; instead. <em>The rule: when sources conflict and no primary source settles it, report the range you can defend rather than the most quotable figure.</em> <a href="https://artificialanalysis.ai/articles/gemini-3-flash-everything-you-need-to-know" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">See the Gemini 3 Flash analysis</a></p>

<p><strong>6. Legal AI tool rates (Lexis+ AI 17%, Westlaw 33%).</strong> These come from a real follow-up study, but that paper was never opened during this check. Plausible is not the same as verified, so they were left out. <a href="https://reglab.stanford.edu/publications/hallucination-free-assessing-the-reliability-of-leading-ai-legal-research-tools/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">See the follow-up study</a></p>

<p><strong>7. A &ldquo;1.47% real-world clinical hallucination rate.&rdquo;</strong> Surfaced in passing, never traced to its source, so it was not used. No link &mdash; the source was never located, which is exactly why it was dropped.</p>

<p><strong>8. The AI summary&rsquo;s own citations.</strong> Worth pointing out to students: the visible citations under the search result pointed to content-marketing pages rather than to the Vectara leaderboard, the Stanford paper, the OpenAI system card, or the Mount Sinai study &mdash; the actual origins of every number it quoted. <a href="https://www.seekr.com/resource/ai-lowest-hallucination-rate/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">See one of the cited pages</a></p>

<p><em>A caution for anyone reusing this graphic: benchmarks update continuously. These figures were current on September 1, 2026. Check the live pages before quoting them later.</em></p>



<p class="cct-research wp-block-paragraph" id="h-">Notes about the research citations above from Vicki: So, do you see what I did there, it said &#8220;we&#8221; but then when it cited it, it cited &#8220;me&#8221; &#8211; Vicki. I don&#8217;t like this subtle use of pronouns. AI is a tool and I&#8217;m accountable. However, if I look at the chat, I am using the word we as well &#8212; I have to think on that. wow. Look at that.  <br /><br />Additionally, I would like the links to the articles that were rejected. <em><strong>Update</strong></em><strong>: When I looked at adding those links, Claude pointed out something I had forgotten, that the presence of a true link passes SEO on for credibility to those sites, something I&#8217;m not really wanting to do so it will mark them as &#8220;no follow&#8221; links. This is an interesting aspect of citing rejected article</strong>s.<strong> </strong>Also, note that when I do this again, I&#8217;m going to create a version of this skill that stops and lets me make the decision as this chat was in &#8220;auto mode&#8221; for speed. I really had no idea this would be such a hard question to get right in Google generative search, but I&#8217;m glad I did this activity and it is one I will be doing with students.</p>



<h3 id="h-step-8-updating-the-fact-checking-skill-in-claude-cowork" class="wp-block-heading">STEP 8: Updating the Fact Checking Skill in Claude Cowork</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now, I&#8217;m coming back to the fact-checking skill I&#8217;ve built in Claude so you can see why I keep coming back. When I&#8217;m done, I ask it to analyze every mistake and then update the fact-checking skill. This is a whole other process because now, I&#8217;m working to teach the AI tool how I like to operate and to learn from interacting with other AI tools about the flaws and mistakes in that tool.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is why skills will become valuable intellectual property for companies (if indeed they can be owned by the company and not harvested by the AI models themselves, which is a whole other topic.)</p>



<h2 id="h-retrospective" class="wp-block-heading">RETROSPECTIVE</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In every chat, I ask Claude Cowork, ChatGPT, or Gemini to conduct a retrospective analysis of what worked, what mistakes were made, and how to prevent those mistakes in the future. It is a learning model. Our purpose in interacting with AI is both to <strong>get a job done</strong> and to make <strong>doing that job better in the future</strong>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Additionally, by doing this sort of orchestration, we can build distrust for the overly simplified generative answers we&#8217;re getting from Google right now &#8211; or really any tool, for that matter. No tool is always right. Different domains of knowledge have different accuracy rates, and different ways of using AI can yield higher accuracy. Sometimes we need an ensemble in order to do complex tasks.</p>



<p class="cct-takeaway wp-block-paragraph">But here is a big takeaway: <strong>When in doubt, go to the original documents to check it out.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When we start using multiple AI tools to check for answers, we see that each tool is flawed and that we must use discernment to understand the nuances. Plus, rushing to get something out can lead to mistakes. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, I&#8217;ve just written this as I&#8217;ve gone through the process, when I realized this wasn&#8217;t going to be an easy check. I was actually preparing a presentation about research using AI and just wanted to expose flaws, and the rabbit hole went much deeper than I thought! </p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/ai-fact-checking-ensemble-method/">AI Fact Checking Using the Ensemble Method</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com">Cool Cat Teacher Blog</a> by <a href="http://www.x.com/coolcatteacher">Vicki Davis @coolcatteacher</a> helping educators be excellent every day. Meow!</p>
<p>If you're seeing this on another site, they are "scraping" my feed and taking my content to present it to you so be aware of this.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e981/" title="How to Build Your Own Data Dashboard: No Coding Required" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="576" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/981-aj-juliani-1024x576.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/981-aj-juliani-1024x576.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/981-aj-juliani-300x169.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/981-aj-juliani-768x432.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/981-aj-juliani-1170x658.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/981-aj-juliani-585x329.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/981-aj-juliani.png 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>A.J. Juliani has led over 150 educators to build their own AI data dashboards with no coding. Learn interview mode, the one question to ask any vendor, and how to de-identify student data before it ever touches an AI tool.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A.J. Juliani has been leading cohorts of educators and administrators to learn how to build data dashboards that improve student learning. I love how he focuses on the human aspect of learning. In today&#8217;s show, we&#8217;ll talk through the &#8220;interview mode&#8221; of using AI that is so powerful in addition to using data to improve the experience of school for our learners and teachers. We&#8217;ll talk about personally identifiable information, the importance of removing it, and some tips and tricks for interacting with AI to generate data dashboards and other tools of your choice.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Listen to my conversation with A.J. Juliani</strong> — or <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOUTUBE_ID">watch it on YouTube</a>, or read the full transcript at the bottom of this page.</p>



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<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>Can you give me a CSV? If you can&#8217;t give me a CSV, it&#8217;s not a vendor I should work with, because everybody can read a CSV.</p><cite>A.J. Juliani, faculty at the University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Education</cite></blockquote></figure>



<h2 id="h-how-to-build-a-data-dashboard-from-a-j-juliani" class="wp-block-heading">How to Build a Data Dashboard from A.J. Juliani</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You can listen to the whole conversation in the player above or read the full transcript below. Here&#8217;s what A.J. walked through, step by step.</p>



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<h3 id="h-the-problem-that-educators-can-solve-with-ai-created-data-dashboards" class="wp-block-heading">The Problem that Educators Can Solve with AI Created Data Dashboards</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Students have data everywhere. But we need to talk to our data. As I approach the one-thousandth episode of my podcast, I downloaded a CSV file into Claude Cowork and used Claude to &#8220;talk to my data.&#8221; This is a different approach for data analysis. I don&#8217;t write the word &#8220;game-changer&#8221; since I just wrote about how I hate that word on Linked In. I will, however, say that those of us who learned spreadsheets, pivot tables, formula creation and data analysis need to learn the newest tools for analyzing our data. This is another step in the progression of data analytics.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">AJ talks about the problem we&#8217;ve had with data by saying:</p>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>&#8220;The problem was, in schools there&#8217;s all these different data sets. There&#8217;s conversations and PLCs around data, but there&#8217;s never any hub to see everything and to ask questions of the data. Now I&#8217;m pulling spreadsheets or I&#8217;m pulling some graphs, but I can&#8217;t interact with the data.&#8221;</p><cite>AJ Juliani</cite></blockquote></figure>



<p class="has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph">✏️✏️✏️</p>



<h3 id="h-how-to-build-a-data-dashboard-without-writing-code" class="wp-block-heading">How to Build a Data Dashboard without Writing Code</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Understanding the methods A.J. teaches can guide you through creating data dashboards. If you can only have one takeaway, pick 2, the &#8220;AI interrogatory&#8221; method of starting with an AI interview prompt.</p>



<h4 id="h-step-1-start-with-the-problem-not-the-tool" class="wp-block-heading">STEP 1: Start with the Problem Not the Tool</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">AJ says that they first went and prompted the tool they chose (in this case, Claude):</p>



<pre class="wp-block-preformatted">What are ten ways we can use data effectively in our [school or district or classroom] with our objective of [insert objective].</pre>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They worked to identify the problem before selecting a tool with brainstorming how the data could be used and the kinds of dashboards that could be created.</p>



<h4 id="h-step-2-let-the-ai-interview-you" class="wp-block-heading">STEP 2: Let the AI Interview You</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On a recent Cool Cat Teacher Talk show, <a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/heartfirst/">Dr. Jie Tao</a> discussed the interview method as one of the most powerful ways to interact with AI. AJ gives this sample prompt.</p>



<pre class="wp-block-preformatted">I want to build a dashboard for my [district, school, classroom] that focuses on [what things you want to focus on] Help me walk through this process and ask me questions to tailor specifically what this data dashboard should look like."</pre>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">From there, the AI tool takes over. It acts as the interviewer, interviewing the educator, &#8220;and that is the real key that I think people miss along the way,&#8221; says A.J., &#8220;You don&#8217;t have to prompt it for everything. It can ask you questions and then take your answers to create it. A couple of years ago people were talking about how we have to have the exact right prompt and these different types of things. With a lot of these tools now, that&#8217;s not the case.&#8221;</p>



<h4 id="h-step-3-talk-to-the-ai-tool-not-at-it" class="wp-block-heading">STEP 3: Talk to the AI Tool, Not at It</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As you get a MVP (minimum viable product), then you can start talking with your AI tool about what is missing, about formatting issues, about how the data can be more meaningful.</p>



<p class="cct-activity wp-block-paragraph">TIP: Sometimes, AI can put information in a spreadsheet for you as well, particularly if you want formulas. But you have to explicitly ask it to enter formulas into the fields; otherwise, it might just total the numbers and enter them into the spreadsheet cells. This leaves room for error. Excel can use both Claude Cowork and now <a href="https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/excel/copilot/get-started-with-copilot-in-excel">Copilot is available</a> (but you have to save it in the Cloud or on OneDrive or SharePoint with AutoSave turned on with a paid Microsoft 365 Copilot or Copilot Pro license.) <br /><br />Last year, when I taught my students spreadsheets, I also taught them to use AI to help them build pivot tables and interpret data, and I was shocked at how quickly they learned and advanced more deeply into data analytics than I could ever get them before. <br /><br />But here, we&#8217;re talking about HTML files that open in a web browser, not a spreadsheet. Just realize that people build dashboards in different ways. I do recommend trying the HTML dashboard. I am a spreadsheet nerd, but I am blown away by the power of a data dashboard in HTML, as AJ describes!</p>



<h4 id="h-step-4-build-the-conversation-into-the-dashboard-itself" class="wp-block-heading">STEP 4: Build the Conversation into the Dashboard Itself</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A.J. went on to remind us that data doesn&#8217;t need to be static but can be built for analysis. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;So instead of teams just seeing the data and just seeing the connection, why not build that conversation feeder right into it? So, PLC teams, district teams, communities can look at district data dashboards and actually have conversations with the data, visualize it in different ways.&#8221;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">AJ encouraged the conversation not to be just with AI but that data analysis should be done in a social context within school or district teams.</p>



<h2 id="h-10-things-to-create-data-dashboards-worth-building" class="wp-block-heading">10 Things to Create Data Dashboards Worth Building</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A.J. stated some things that he recommended reviewing and building data dashboards to analyze (and some may do more than one):</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>student achievement </li>



<li>attendance and chronic absenteeism </li>



<li>equity and subgroup analysis </li>



<li>intervention effectiveness </li>



<li>formative assessments </li>



<li>benchmark data </li>



<li>teacher and classroom data </li>



<li>enrollment capacity planning </li>



<li>school climate data </li>



<li>budget resource allocation</li>
</ol>



<h2 id="h-protect-the-student-privacy-before-you-upload-anything" class="wp-block-heading">Protect the Student Privacy Before You Upload Anything</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If we talk student data, we have to talk about PII (personally identifiable information) and AJ responded with his answers here.  </p>



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<li><strong>Does the data get uploaded anywhere?</strong> — <em>&#8220;Files are read entirely by the browser and sent once to the AI for analysis. Nothing is saved in the server database or disk. Once you close or refresh the page, the data is gone.</em></li>



<li><strong>Is it encrypted?</strong> — <em>&#8220;All communication between your browser and the server uses HTTPS… Your file can&#8217;t be intercepted while being sent.&#8221;</em></li>



<li><strong>Who can see what you upload?</strong> — <em>&#8220;It&#8217;s sent normally through something like OpenAI&#8217;s API for analysis, and they don&#8217;t use API data for model training, but it does pass through their server.&#8221;</em></li>



<li><strong>Should you upload real student data?</strong> — No. See below.</li>
</ul>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>You have to de-identify the data for uploading. Replace student names with labels, remove columns with addresses or phone numbers or identifying data. You&#8217;re going to get meaningful analysis without exposing that sensitive information.</p><cite>AJ Juliani</cite></blockquote></figure>



<h3 id="h-what-to-watch-out-for" class="wp-block-heading">What To Watch Out For</h3>



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<li><strong>Uploading real data.</strong><em>(13:03)</em> — <em>&#8220;The biggest caution is when you&#8217;re using real data and not de-identifying it. If you do that, you put yourself in a world of trouble with CIPA, COPPA, all the different types of privacy laws out there.&#8221;</em> <strong>CIPA (the Children&#8217;s Internet Protection Act)</strong> </li>



<li><strong>Skipping the approval channels.</strong><em>(13:03)</em> — <em>&#8220;We have to go through the proper channels. We have to build policies that support this. We have to get it approved by administration, approved by boards.&#8221;</em></li>



<li><strong>Outsourcing everything.</strong><em>(09:17)</em> — <em>&#8220;We&#8217;re sending it to this AI company or to this company… and we&#8217;ll just worry about it there.&#8221;</em></li>



<li><strong>Kids under 18 on consumer tools.</strong><em>(09:17)</em> — <em>&#8220;We have kids who are under 18 just using the regular version of ChatGPT… and the privacy is terrible. There&#8217;s so many red flags there.&#8221;</em></li>



<li><strong>Bolting AI onto a compliance culture.</strong><em>(09:58)</em> — <em>&#8220;If your school is still built on a compliance-based model, tech only fuels that compliance — whether it was laptops or it&#8217;s AI. And a lot of times it becomes digital pacifiers.&#8221;</em></li>



<li><strong>Removing the human from all three steps.</strong><em>(09:58)</em> — <em>&#8220;Do you want a world where AI is helping your teachers plan tasks, the AI is helping students do the tasks, and then the AI is helping your teachers create the tasks? I mean, now we&#8217;ve just removed any human from it possible.&#8221;</em></li>
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<h2 id="h-4-questions-to-ask-before-you-adopt-anything" class="wp-block-heading">4 Questions to Ask Before You Adopt Anything</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As AJ guides us to consider AI dashboards, he gave four questions to help us with discerning if something is a good use of AI (or not):</p>



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<li>Why are we adopting this?</li>



<li>Is it just helping us save time or is it helping us with better pedagogy?</li>



<li>Is it just helping us save money, or is it helping with a better learning experience?</li>



<li>Is it just helping us look at data more, or is it helping us with making decisions better?</li>
</ul>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;The most important skill right now is discernment &#8211; discernment of when to use it, how to use it, and where it&#8217;s applicable. You can&#8217;t build that discernment skill if you&#8217;re not using the tool.&#8221; A.J. Juliani</p>
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<h2 id="h-the-one-question-to-ask-any-vendor" class="wp-block-heading">The One Question to Ask Any Vendor</h2>



<p class="cct-target wp-block-paragraph">IT Directors, and Principals</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Can you give me a csv? CSV stands for &#8220;comma separated values.&#8221; Basically, it is the data fields with commas in between. Be careful as this can have PII in it (as we&#8217;ve already discussed), however, even though it is hard for us humans to read, this is the language of spreadsheets and AI and makes data something you can easily turn into a data dashboard.</p>



<p class="cct-takeaway wp-block-paragraph">Eventually, we&#8217;ll ask vendors about MCP&#8217;s, the kind of connector to connect our data directly to AI, but until we get the PII sorted out, that is probably a step away from where we are today, where we first download the CSV and then look at the data that needs to be removed (in a spreadsheet tool, most likely) and then after the data is removed, then create a new file that can be put into AI for a data dashboard.</p>



<p class="cct-vocab wp-block-paragraph"><strong>De-identification</strong> — Removing the details that connect data to a real person — replacing student names with labels, taking out addresses and phone numbers — <em>before</em> the file goes anywhere near an AI tool. This is the one instruction A.J. repeats, and it is not the same as PII redaction, which is what a tool does automatically. This one is on you, and it happens first. (<a href="https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/de_identification">NIST defines it here</a>.)<br /><br /><strong>API (Application Programming Interface)</strong> — A doorway that lets one program hand data to another. A.J.&#8217;s point matters for schools: when a tool reaches an AI company through its API, your data passes through that company&#8217;s servers <em>even when it is not used to train the model</em>. Those are two different questions, and vendors sometimes answer only the friendlier one.<br /><br /><strong>Interview Prompting</strong> — Asking the AI to interview <em>you</em>. It asks the questions, you answer, and it builds from your answers — instead of you trying to write one perfect prompt. A.J. calls this the thing most people miss.<br /><br />These three are new to my <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zq6EQOwaqLglcxL8mxs_npLg1E2KbROztWX2yijsxqM/edit?usp=sharing">AI Vocabulary List</a> — I&#8217;m adding them. Want to find out how many of these words you already know? Play <a href="https://spy-the-ai-game-coolcatteacher.netlify.app/">Spy the AI</a>, the free vocabulary game I vibe coded from that same list.</p>



<h2 id="h-what-this-looked-like-in-one-school" class="wp-block-heading">What This Looked Like in One School</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">AJ describes one school that created a data dashboard that connected their gradebook, their attendance, and some of their teacher feedback tools inside of Google Classroom. He said it started flagging when a student was absent for a couple of days or wasn&#8217;t turning things in&#8230; for the teacher and student to have a conference and a conversation. The school told AJ it has completely transformed what instruction looks like, because now students know that if they&#8217;re missing something, they&#8217;re going to have conversations with their teachers right away.</p>



<h2 id="h-an-image-to-help-the-laundry-and-dishes" class="wp-block-heading">An Image to Help: The Laundry and Dishes</h2>



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-AI is? Wrong direction.<br />I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes.</p>&mdash; Joanna Maciejewska (@AuthorJMac) <a href="https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.x.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">AJ pointed to this quote from Joanna Maciejewska and said, </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;What is the role of laundry and dishes in education? How can AI help us with the laundry and dishes so we can spend more time doing the things that we want to do with our students?</p>
</blockquote>



<h2 id="h-resources-mentioned-in-this-episode" class="wp-block-heading">Resources Mentioned in This Episode</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong><a href="https://ajjuliani.com">ajjuliani.com</a></strong> — A.J.&#8217;s site, and the one thing he asks for on air: &#8220;You can go to my website where I link to it.&#8221; His AI-Ready School Leaders cohorts are announced through his newsletter, which has 103,000+ subscribers.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://claude.com/product/claude-code">Claude Code</a></strong> — the tool A.J. uses to build the dashboards. He names the ChatGPT equivalent as <strong><a href="https://chatgpt.com/codex/">Codex</a></strong>. Both are coding tools you talk to in plain language rather than program.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.replit.com">Replit</a></strong> — the other build environment A.J. and Vicki mention for people who want to make something without setting up a development environment. (Note from Vicki: it is no longer free.)</li>



<li><strong>CSV files</strong> — the humble format at the center of his vendor test. A CSV is just a spreadsheet, and A.J.&#8217;s point is that every AI tool can read one: &#8220;you can use it in any — you know, Gemini, ChatGPT, Claude, any of them.&#8221;</li>



<li><strong>Google Classroom</strong> — the platform in A.J.&#8217;s school example, where a grade book, attendance, and teacher feedback were connected so a student who went quiet got flagged for a conversation.</li>



<li><strong>CIPA and COPPA</strong> — the two student-privacy laws A.J. names as the reason to de-identify before uploading anything. CIPA is the <a href="https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/childrens-internet-protection-act">Children&#8217;s Internet Protection Act</a>; COPPA is the <a href="https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/rules/childrens-online-privacy-protection-rule-coppa">Children&#8217;s Online Privacy Protection Rule</a>.</li>



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<h2 id="h-about-a-j-juliani" class="wp-block-heading">About A.J. Juliani</h2>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A.J. Juliani is faculty at the University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Education and the <em>Wall Street Journal</em> and <em>USA Today</em> bestselling author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Adaptable-Curriculum-Flexible-Experiences-Environment/dp/1948334402?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Adaptable: How to Create an Adaptable Curriculum and Flexible Learning Experiences That Work in Any Environment</em></a>. A former English teacher, football coach, and K-12 instructional coach, he served as Director of Learning and Innovation for Centennial School District in Pennsylvania.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He is also the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Empower-Happens-Students-Their-Learning/dp/194644443X?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Empower: What Happens When Students Own Their Learning</em></a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Launch-Design-Thinking-Creativity-Student/dp/0996989544?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>LAUNCH: Using Design Thinking to Boost Creativity and Bring Out the Maker in Every Student</em></a>, both with John Spencer, as well as <a href="https://www.amazon.com/PBL-Playbook-Step-Step-Project-Based/dp/0692144900?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The PBL Playbook</em></a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Intentional-Innovation-J-Juliani/dp/113863932X?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Intentional Innovation</em></a>. He now leads AI-Ready School Leaders cohorts, helping educators and administrators build their own AI tools instead of buying them, and writes a newsletter followed by more than 103,000 leaders and learners.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Find A.J.:</strong> <a href="https://ajjuliani.com">ajjuliani.com</a> · <a href="https://twitter.com/ajjuliani">X @ajjuliani</a> · <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajjuliani/">LinkedIn</a> · <a href="https://instagram.com/learningwithaj">Instagram @learningwithaj</a> · <a href="https://youtube.com/ajjuliani">YouTube</a></p>



<h2 id="h-other-shows-for-school-leaders-and-teachers-working-with-data" class="wp-block-heading">Other Shows for School Leaders and Teachers Working With Data</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/datadriven/">Data Driven Schools: Driving Learning and Improving Relationships</a></strong> — the <em>Cool Cat Teacher Talk</em> episode this conversation first aired on. A.J.&#8217;s dashboard segment sits alongside Victoria Setaro&#8217;s cold-data-versus-warm-data framework and Dr. Deborah Dennie on a decade of data-driven leadership.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/8-essential-ingredients-to-engage-students-in-the-ai-age/">4 Essential Ingredients to Engage Students in the AI Age</a></strong> — A.J.&#8217;s previous appearance, and the show he and Vicki call back to in this episode. The four essentials: human, social, meaning-centered, and language-based.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e960/">Data-Driven Leadership That Changes School Culture</a></strong> — Dr. Deborah Dennie, a Maryland Principal of the Year and NASSP national finalist, on reading attendance, discipline, and grade data together.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/5-things-happen-empower-students/">5 Things That Happen When We Empower Students</a></strong> — A.J. from back in 2017, on the ideas behind <em>Empower</em>.</li>
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<h2 id="transcript" class="wp-block-heading">Transcript for Episode 981 with A.J. Juliani</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. – Vicki</em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (00:01):</strong> Happy Tech Tool Tuesday. This is episode 981. We can build our own working data dashboard and protect private student information.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Announcer (00:16):</strong> This is the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (00:21):</strong> Today&#8217;s show is sponsored by Experience AI, the free AI literacy program from the Raspberry Pi Foundation, co-founded with Google DeepMind. Stay to the end. I&#8217;ll share how you can start teaching AI literacy in your classroom with confidence. No experience required. Today, I&#8217;m talking with my friend, A.J. Juliani. We first met when we worked on a project called the Flat Classroom Project together. It was in Thomas Friedman&#8217;s book, The World is Flat. Remarkable innovator, educator, and also a Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling author. He&#8217;s an instructor at UPenn&#8217;s Graduate School of Education, and A.J. has been leading the charge on helping schools use AI tools for data analysis. He&#8217;s back on the show to share how over 150 educators in his national U.S. cohort are building their own AI solutions instead of buying expensive ones.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (01:21):</strong> Vicki, thanks again for having me on. Love the show and love being a part of it and longtime friends. We&#8217;ve kind of all evolved over the years of using AI tools. One of the things that we&#8217;ve started to see with newer tools, the one that I use all the time is Claude Code. The ChatGPT version would be Codex. Is it&#8217;s taken someone who has a little bit of programming knowledge. I can mess around with HTML and CSS, a little JavaScript here or there, and it&#8217;s allowed people to build things that you could only dream of before. And so it has removed barriers that were ever in place for anyone, including educators who have had to pay so much money for custom tools for themselves in the classroom and for districts. And so what I&#8217;ve done over the last year here is really help educators who want to use it with a purpose and intentionality of creating things for their classroom and district to show them how to do that. And really, it&#8217;s just getting them on, walking through some protocols and giving them some steps to get there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (02:23):</strong> Walk us through what happened in that cohort when educators are not coders. And what happened when they sat down and built an AI dashboard with Claude Code, Replit or whatever? What surprised you about that?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (02:36):</strong> The first thing that we did was we talked about what the problem was. The problem was in schools, there&#8217;s all these different data sets. There&#8217;s conversations in PLCs around data, but there&#8217;s never any hub to see everything and to ask questions of the data. Now I&#8217;m pulling spreadsheets or I&#8217;m pulling some graphs, but I can&#8217;t interact with the data. Everybody brought up, this is a very big problem that we have and we&#8217;re spending a lot of human capital and time doing that. So we first went and we prompted Claude saying, what are 10 ways that we can use data effectively. Giving our school districts or job title, that type of thing. And so it gave us some different things. Then we took that and we brought that over to Claude Code. If you&#8217;ve ever used Claude before, I want to build a dashboard for my district focusing on these X number of things. Help me walk through this process and ask me questions to tailor specifically what this data dashboard should look like. From there, Claude really does the work. It acts as an interviewer, interviewing the educator, getting feedback and insight on them. And that&#8217;s the real key that I think people miss along the way. You don&#8217;t have to prompt it, everything. It can ask you questions and then take your answers to create it. So after that interview process with Claude, it created what I would say would be like the first version of what this data dashboard would look like. The old way it would do it, you&#8217;d have to go into the code and analyze some things and that type of thing. Now you could just have a conversation with Claude Code. People call it vibe coding, but it&#8217;s very much a conversation saying, I really like this piece of the dashboard. Can you change this? Can we look at this? And what we then did was say, we want to add that question feature a part of the dashboard. So instead of teams just seeing the data and just seeing the connections, why not build that conversation feeder right into it so PLC teams, district teams, communities can look at district data dashboards and actually have conversations with the data, visualize it in different ways. Vicki, people were mind blown. It was one of those things where the entire cohort wanted to go and work on this with their team right away, dive into it and saw the power of what Claude Code could do for anybody who was using it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (04:52):</strong> Back up, some districts are huge and they have a lot of data, including a lot of personally identifiable information, that PII, that we have to be so careful about. How did that part work?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (05:01):</strong> One of the things that we did after we created that MVP, that minimum viable Product, the next step was, hey, how can we make this have the best data privacy? What practices do we need to kind of put into place? And a couple of things really popped up. Number one, the data that we&#8217;re using, even if it&#8217;s from the district, was not uploaded anywhere. Files are read entirely by the browser and sent once to the AI for analysis. Nothing is saved in the server, database, or disk. Once you close or refresh the page, the data is gone. Is data encrypted when you&#8217;re using this type of thing? Well, yes. All communication between your browser and the server use HTTPS, so it encrypts the data. Your file can&#8217;t be intercepted while being sent. Who can see the data that you upload? So it&#8217;s sent normally through something like OpenAI&#8217;s API for analysis. And they don&#8217;t use API data for model training, but it does pass through their server. So that would be the one kind of data thing that you&#8217;d have to look at as a district. Should you upload real student data? You have to de-identify the data before uploading. Replace student names with labels, remove columns with addresses or phone numbers or identifying data. You&#8217;re gonna get meaningful analysis without exposing that sensitive information.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (06:23):</strong> It almost seems too good to be true. Like, did people immediately start making decisions and have epiphanies and just go, oh my goodness?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (06:29):</strong> Almost immediately. The biggest thing that people had questions about were the privacy concerns. They had to bring that to their IT department, go through the process of approving it and talking to the school board. The privacy of doing it in-house is so much better than giving it to a company that you don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re going to do with it and how they&#8217;re going to use your data. The flexibility of what you could build, what you could create. The number one aha moment that people had, Vicki, was they realized that they were in control of what this looked like, of how much time they spent on it, of how they build it, and how they could connect different departments already working on this.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (07:08):</strong> Did they get any pushbacks from their boards or their IT? You&#8217;re not a coder. You don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re doing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (07:13):</strong> I think that that pushback happened for a good number of people and they had to have conversations and had to do their homework, right? Everything that I just said about the privacy and that type of stuff, you got to bring the documentation, you got to do your homework, that type of thing. But I will say, when you&#8217;re talking with districts right now, and you can save money and not have to go through that whole RFP process and the vendors and everything, the business office perked up. The IT department perked up. There was a lot of meaningful conversations with the school board because schools are strapped for money. They&#8217;re strapped for funds. And a lot of times they feel handcuffed by some of these programs and software that they are connected with. Vicki, it&#8217;s not just for data dashboards. This is for curriculum housing, right? I think we&#8217;ve only hit the tip of the iceberg.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (07:58):</strong> So A.J., what are kind of some of the emotions that when educators in your cohort realize they could build tools that used to cost district thousands, if not tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars? Like what kind of emotions happened with these educators?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (08:11):</strong> Overwhelm. You know, the reason we did the cohort is the whole idea was AI ready school leaders. This notion that AI is all around us. So how do we get people the knowledge where they can start learning it themselves? There&#8217;s a lot of overwhelm around it. But then I think the next step after overwhelm was, this is actually not that complicated. You know, a couple of years ago, people were talking about how we have to have the exact right prompt and these different types of things. With a lot of these tools now, that&#8217;s not the case. You need to ask questions. You need to have the AI ask you questions. And I want to show people this because most of the educators that I know that they knew were worried about it for the wrong reasons and thinking it was like when the Internet started and I had to figure out, dial up Internet and they had to be like a hacker to use these different tools. The most important skill right now is discernment. Discernment of when to use it, how to use it, and where it&#8217;s applicable. You can&#8217;t build that discernment skill if you&#8217;re not using the tool. And that&#8217;s something I think we really learned in the cohort.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (09:12):</strong> What is the biggest mistake you see schools making right now when it comes to AI and student data?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (09:17):</strong> We&#8217;re outsourcing everything. We&#8217;re sending it to this AI company or to this company or we&#8217;re gonna use this vendor or this tool. We&#8217;ll just worry about it there. I like to really keep things in-house as much as possible where we can create custom tools for our purposes, where we&#8217;re not at the beck and call of what the vendor decides and their kind of conversations and how they raise price. Then with the student privacy thing, I think still the biggest concern that I see is that we have kids who are under 18 just using the regular version of ChatGPT, using the regular version of these tools and the privacy is terrible. There&#8217;s so many red flags there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (09:54):</strong> So what is the danger of rushing into AI adoption without a strategy.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (09:58):</strong> It&#8217;s the same problem that we had when people maybe rushed into one-to-one tech initiatives, which is if still, if your school is still built on a compliance-based model, tech only fuels that compliance, whether it was laptops or it&#8217;s AI. And a lot of times it becomes digital pacifiers. So you&#8217;re rushing to use AI for everything. Do you want a world where AI is helping your teachers plan tasks? The AI is helping students do the tasks. And then the AI is helping your teachers grade the tasks. I mean, now we&#8217;ve just removed any human from it possible. And so this idea of discernment, it&#8217;s the pause. It&#8217;s the conversation of, well, why are we adopting this? Is it just helping us save time or is it helping us with better pedagogy? Is it just helping us save money or is it helping with a better learning experience? Is it just helping us look at data more or is it helping us with making decisions better? Those are the discernment kind of questions that we have to have.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (11:09):</strong> The last time we talked about four essentials, human, social, meaning-centered, and language-based, it kind of sounds like you&#8217;re still speaking that language of this human and social and meaning-centered and language-based.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (11:21):</strong> The first thing is when you&#8217;re looking at data, it should tell a human story, right? So it should tell a human story. The numbers should relate to something human. Looking at data by yourself, you&#8217;re going to miss something along the way. So we should have conversations in social cohorts. It should also be meaning-based. What&#8217;s the point of looking at data? Is it helping us with the 10 different things I talked about, which is, is it helping us with student achievement, with attendance and chronic absenteeism, with equity and subgroup analysis, intervention effectiveness, formative assessments, benchmark data, teacher and classroom data, enrollment capacity planning, school climate data, budget resource allocation? These are the meaning behind looking at data. And then the last piece is language-based and understanding that using AI is becoming a language unto itself. You know, just as you would learn another language, it&#8217;s understanding, how do I use this? What do I use it for? What are the conversations that I can have with it?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (12:25):</strong> So what are the questions we need to be asking existing vendors to move forward in a world where we can customize our data dashboards for our schools.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (12:34):</strong> Right now with the vendors, I think the main thing we can say is, Can you give me a CSV? If you can&#8217;t give me a CSV, then it&#8217;s not a vendor I should work with because everybody can read a CSV. All the AI tools that we do, we can pull in from the CSV. It is just a spreadsheet and you can use it in any, you know, you can Gemini, ChatGPT, Claude, any of them.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (12:57):</strong> What&#8217;s your caution of like, just jumping into the wild west of AI dashboards without some thought?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (13:03):</strong> The biggest caution is when you&#8217;re using real data and not de-identifying it. If you do that, you put yourself in a world of trouble with CIPA, COPPA, all the different types of privacy laws out there. And I think that the big piece here for all of us is we have to go through the proper channels. We have to build policies that support this. We have to get it approved by administration, approved by boards, that type of process. One school, Vicki, just to give you a quick example, they connected their gradebook, their attendance, some of their teacher feedback tools inside of Google Classroom. And what it did was it started flagging when a kid was absent for a couple days or wasn&#8217;t turning things in or getting some feedback in some of the classroom right away for the teacher and student to have a conference and a conversation. They said it has completely transformed what the instruction looks like because now students know if they&#8217;re missing something, they&#8217;re going to have a conversation with their teacher right away. I like to say, Vicki, there&#8217;s this big quote that said, you know, I want AI to do my laundry and dishes, not my art and writing. And I think about that. What is the laundry and dishes of our role in education? How can AI help us with those laundry and dishes so we can spend more time doing the things that we want to do with our students and taking things off our plate to free up time?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (14:28):</strong> So, A.J. Juliani, tell us how you can find information on your next cohort.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (14:33):</strong> You can go to my website where I link to it at ajjuliani.com.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (14:37):</strong> Thank you for coming on the show, A.J.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>A.J. Juliani (14:39):</strong> Thanks so much for having me, Vicki. And if anybody has any questions, I&#8217;d love to come back.</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e980/" title="Teaching Creativity: 4 Ideas Every Subject Can Use" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="576" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/980-susan-m-riley-1024x576.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/980-susan-m-riley-1024x576.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/980-susan-m-riley-300x169.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/980-susan-m-riley-768x432.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/980-susan-m-riley-1170x658.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/980-susan-m-riley-585x329.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/980-susan-m-riley.png 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>Susan M. Riley says creativity has been quarantined in the art room, and that it is the one advantage AI cannot take. Four branches, concrete examples in math, science, and engineering, and a question about your own creative cup.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Creativity can be nurtured and grown and should be in every subject, particularly now when creativity is such a competitive advantage. Today&#8217;s guest, Susan M. Riley, shares how we can bring creativity into every classroom and gives specific examples for math, science, and engineering. Susan is the author of the book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Creativitys-Edge-Unleashing-Humanitys-Advantage/dp/B0FH6DQSVZ?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Creativity&#8217;s Edge</em></a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Susan argues that creativity shouldn&#8217;t be quarantined to one part of the building. Susan shares four branches of creativity and gives concrete examples subject by subject. Math. Science. Engineering. Then, she gives us teachers encouragement to add some creativity into our own days. (I know it is hard when you&#8217;re so busy, but I know when I have done this, it has helped me.) So, let&#8217;s talk about building our edge with creativity and get some ideas for pulling it into our own classes.</p>



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<li><strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Creativitys-Edge-Unleashing-Humanitys-Advantage/dp/B0FH6DQSVZ?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">Creativity&#8217;s Edge: Unleashing Humanity&#8217;s Greatest Advantage in the Age of AI</a></strong> by Susan M. Riley — the book behind this conversation. It is where the four branches get worked out with practices and ways to measure growth, K-12 and beyond.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://artsintegration.com/">The Institute for Arts Integration and STEAM</a></strong> — Susan&#8217;s organization, and the place to go for lesson plans, certification, and training if this episode gave you an idea you want to actually build.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://artsintegration.com/artworks/">Art Works for Teachers</a></strong> — Susan&#8217;s podcast. Each episode comes in audio, video, and written form with a downloadable resource, which is unusually generous.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://susanmriley.com/">SusanMRiley.com</a></strong> — her author site.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://momath.org/">The National Museum of Mathematics (MoMath)</a></strong> — the museum in New York that Susan mentions, dedicated to exactly the art-and-math overlap she describes. If you are ever in the city with a math teacher, go.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.desmos.com/art">The Desmos Math Art Contest</a></strong> — open each year to students ages 13–18. This is the kind of project I describe on the show, where students build a picture entirely out of the equations of its lines.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Two things to try this week — one for your students, one for you.</p>



<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">Consider &#8220;hard fun&#8221; creative projects in the projects you give them for their subject. Reflect on what you&#8217;re asking students to do and count to ten past when you want to step in and let them have a little bit of struggle so they can create and invent.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And here is one for you, not for your students.</p>



<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">Schedule a 5-minute creativity moment for yourself this week to create something. I have a planner that I put stickers in and print out photos from a small printer and put it in my planner. It is a creative outlet for me. Find a creative outlet for yourself. If you like to sing, sing a favorite song in the car. If you like to draw, take a moment to doodle. Pull something into your day that is creative, even if it is a creative moment in your lesson. See how it makes you feel and see if you want to try it the next day as well. Let me know what you think.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Susan M. Riley is the Founder of The Institute for Arts Integration &amp; STEAM and host of the Art Works for Teachers podcast. A former music educator with more than two decades of leadership in creative curriculum design, she helps schools build innovative, student-centered learning environments. Riley&#8217;s work has been featured by Edutopia, Education Week, and ASCD, and her resources reach millions of educators each year. Her new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Creativitys-Edge-Unleashing-Humanitys-Advantage/dp/B0FH6DQSVZ?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">Creativity&#8217;s Edge</a>, explores why creativity is the defining skill of the AI era – and how educators and leaders can cultivate it with purpose. She lives in the mid-Atlantic with her family.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect with Susan:</strong> <a href="https://artsintegration.com/">The Institute for Arts Integration &amp; STEAM</a> | <a href="https://susanmriley.com/">SusanMRiley.com</a> | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/susanmriley81/">LinkedIn</a> | <a href="https://www.facebook.com/susanmrileyauthor">Facebook</a></p>



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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e941/">AI Art in the Classroom</a> with Tim Needles — the closest companion to this episode. Tim makes the same argument Susan does, that creativity is a skill you build rather than a trait you have, and he does it from inside an art room that uses AI tools.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e937/">AI as a Creativity Amplifier</a> with Dr. Sarah Thomas — on AI giving teachers back the time to do the work only humans can do, plus the student data guardrails you need first.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/beautifulhuman/">What AI Can&#8217;t Do: Being Beautifully Human</a> — my own take on the same question Susan opens with. If today&#8217;s episode landed, this is the next one.</li>
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<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:00):</strong> Happy Motivational Monday. This is episode 980, and we&#8217;re talking about creativity. I hope that today you will create before you consume, make something before you check email, and give your students the same rule. They make something before they open a device. Give them what our guest today calls hard fun, a challenge just past the edge of easy. And then find your own creative access point.</p>
<p>Whether it&#8217;s singing in the car, journaling, whatever it is, and take 10 minutes a day. Creativity is especially important in the age of AI.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:44):</strong> Today&#8217;s show is sponsored by Experience AI, the free AI literacy program from the Raspberry Pi Foundation, co-founded with Google DeepMind. Stay to the end. I&#8217;ll share how you can start teaching AI literacy in your classroom with confidence. No experience required.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (01:01):</strong> Today we&#8217;re talking with Susan M. Riley. She is a former music teacher and the founder of the Institute for Arts Integration and STEAM, where she has spent more than two decades helping schools move beyond rigid content silos and into innovative student-centered classrooms. She is the host of Art Works for Teachers podcast and author of the new book, Creativity&#8217;s Edge.</p>
<p>So in this book, she gives educators practical ways to use creativity as a hidden advantage in an AI driven world. Her work is featured by Edutopia, Education Week, and ASCD. And she now reaches millions of teachers looking for fresh doable ideas they can use tomorrow.</p>
<p>So Susan, a sentence or two, how would you explain to a tired classroom teacher why creativity is not just one more thing, but it&#8217;s actually our greatest advantage in the age of AI?</p>
<p><strong>Susan Riley (01:55):</strong> When AI can do everything for us, what else is left? Everything that matters. The things that matter most are creativity. The things that we need to teach our students to be able to think and do and be curious and create are the things that AI can&#8217;t do. And so in a future that is unknown, I am a true believer that creativity is the thing that&#8217;s gonna set us apart.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (02:15):</strong> You know, my students are very often nervous about — are we going tomorrow? Will I have a job? And I say, okay, if you learn how to think, if you learn how to be creative, if you learn to get along with other people, those are things no machine will ever be able to do. And they become even more important in the classroom. But you&#8217;re not just talking the art classroom, you&#8217;re talking math and science and all these other subjects. So what are some of the ideas you give all these different subjects for integrating creativity into their lessons? Like math — math teachers are [going] to go, really, Susan?</p>
<p><strong>Susan Riley (02:48):</strong> I know, but you know what? Math is where some of the best creative ideas come from, especially for students who struggle in math. Those students like me — I&#8217;m one of those people that believes that letters should not be with numbers. That&#8217;s just not right. So algebra was never my thing.</p>
<p><strong>Susan Riley (03:03):</strong> When you encourage creative problem solving, that is creativity being worked through in a math class. And so when we&#8217;re looking at creativity, it&#8217;s not just skills of creativity. There&#8217;s lots of different ways that people can be creative. In fact, I call it the four branches of creativity. We have skills, that we can work on in the art classroom, but then there&#8217;s also application. And so looking at how do we pair maybe math and music together to learn fractions — it makes a beautiful pairing, but we have to be intentional about it. That&#8217;s application of creativity. Then we&#8217;ve got creative thinking. And then the last branch is creative expression. So how do we interpret what we&#8217;re feeling, what we&#8217;re seeing, who we are in a creative way.</p>
<p>Creativity doesn&#8217;t just live [in] isolation. It lives all around us. And so it&#8217;s learning how to leverage that [in the] classroom or content that we&#8217;re teaching.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (03:54):</strong> I know our school, for calculus, one of their favorite projects they do in Desmos where they create art and they have all of the equations of all the lines that comes out of Desmos. And that&#8217;s a creativity project. And most people would say, hey, if you want to meet those standards, you don&#8217;t have time for art. But art is really part of everything because it&#8217;s part of human expression, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p><strong>Susan Riley (04:15):</strong> Absolutely. There&#8217;s a whole museum dedicated to art and math called Museum of Math up in New York. [If] you&#8217;ve never been, go. It has all kinds of projects just like what you described. And its whole goal is to showcase — there&#8217;s creativity embedded within our human experience. And so how that comes out can be expressed in a lot of different ways.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (04:35):</strong> Okay, so how about art and engineering? Do you have anything there?</p>
<p><strong>Susan Riley (04:38):</strong> Absolutely. So when we&#8217;re thinking about engineering, I often think about Alexander Calder as an artist who created kinetic sculptures. How do you create something that moves and is also a piece of art, and what qualifies as art, and taking a look at those pieces and trying to pull them together? Engineering is also about the problem solving, that process, the engineering process that&#8217;s embedded into STEAM significantly. [You can] leverage not just visual art, but we could look at music or theater or dance.</p>
<p>Dance is a great way to connect with engineering, looking at how different choreography components pull together. It&#8217;s just a matter of shifting our lens just slightly to take a look at our content in maybe a different way than we&#8217;ve thought of before.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (05:18):</strong> So let&#8217;s shift — science and creativity?</p>
<p><strong>Susan Riley (05:21):</strong> Science has a lot of natural pairings, particularly when we&#8217;re looking at both movement, if we&#8217;re looking at dance, as well as visual art. Think about when you&#8217;re looking at developing colors and color theory — there&#8217;s a lot that has to go into exactly how many of each color would work together to create a purple or a violet, and documenting that process. I&#8217;ve done that with students before when we&#8217;ve looked at making their own fragrances.</p>
<p>We actually brought the experience of making a fragrance from Italy. We had a partner from Italy come in and share, like, here&#8217;s how perfumery factories actually look at the science of smell and what it is that attracts people one way or the other to one scent or another. And then how do you create that kind of a scent? It is an art and a science of being able to pull them together.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (06:10):</strong> So Susan, in Creativity&#8217;s Edge, you talk about creative abilities that AI can&#8217;t touch, like finding problems worth solving and linking ideas in new ways. So how can we as educators intentionally design activities that build those muscles inside our students&#8217; thinking process?</p>
<p><strong>Susan Riley (06:29):</strong> Yeah, I think it goes back to looking at those four branches of creativity. [I] would love every school to have access to just dedicated arts programs so that they can teach those dedicated art skills. That&#8217;s not possible always, but it&#8217;s certainly one branch of it. In classrooms, what I&#8217;d love to see is when we&#8217;re focusing on creative thinking, particularly around developing skills, around lateral, convergent, and divergent thinking —</p>
<p>being able to provide opportunities for students to have what I call hard fun. Give them a challenge that is right on that edge of not quite too hard, right? You don&#8217;t want them to be too far ahead, that&#8217;s frustrating, but that raises the bar, that encourages them to push beyond what they thought they might be capable of — and then step back.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (07:14):</strong> You talk a lot about filling your own creative cup. For me, I write. What are some sustainable ways teachers can reclaim their own creativity without feeling like it&#8217;s just more homework?</p>
<p><strong>Susan Riley (07:25):</strong> That&#8217;s the key. Everybody has what I call a creative access point. You might not be the best singer in the world. You might not be on a stage, but you can rock it out in the shower or in the car, right? That&#8217;s your jam.</p>
<p><strong>Susan Riley (07:35):</strong> Or maybe when you go to a museum, it&#8217;s like magic just starts to appear and you feel like at home in that place. When you want to fill your creative cup, you got to recognize — what is it that lights you up?</p>
<p>Figure out what that is. And once you know what that is, don&#8217;t let it be a burden. Allow it to be this kind of place that you go in order to feel like you&#8217;re coming home. Once you find what it is, ensuring that you carve out a little bit of time for yourself every day to practice it. Creativity is a practice. It&#8217;s not something that just [stays] stagnant. We can&#8217;t encourage creativity if we&#8217;re not practicing [it] in ourselves, and being willing to be open to the process, being willing to fail at the things that we&#8217;re trying</p>
<p>and learning from them, and being open to leaning into that. And so it doesn&#8217;t have to be, you know, a class every week that you have to go to, or this one particular thinking routine that you always have to do. Find the thing that lights you up. Give yourself permission to play with it</p>
<p>a little bit every day if you can. If not, set aside some time during your week — something that you commit to that fills you and allows you to see the world in a different way, or see the world the way that you want to see it. Express yourself. Join a choir. Go do something that builds that. Take a walk and listen to something that you really enjoy and then maybe journal about it when you get home. Something that allows you to participate in the process.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (08:59):</strong> There&#8217;s so many ideas I&#8217;ve gotten into. Writing the notes — I like to write people in calligraphy and sealing it with a wax seal. That&#8217;s so much fun. My mom, in one season of her life, she always liked to walk at the farm and create a feather collection and was always looking for new feathers. And I know people who have done pressed flowers and play the piano or just tinker with an instrument. There&#8217;s so many ways to be</p>
<p>just creative and keep that part of our brain, because it does spill over into other areas — as well as just recognizing beauty. I believe [it] makes us happier, because we&#8217;re kind of wired to notice beauty. And sometimes there&#8217;s just beauty in this little wildflower that jumped up.</p>
<p>I love your message about creativity and humanity and the place it has in our classrooms, because here&#8217;s the thing — don&#8217;t you think that STEAM powered projects, science, technology, engineering, arts and math, that really pull the arts in, give kids a real meaning and a purpose to want to come to school? I mean, who talks about a test as a great memory of school? It&#8217;s always the projects.</p>
<p><strong>Susan Riley (10:15):</strong> One of the hallmarks of the research that we know about arts integration and STEAM is that when it&#8217;s embraced and brought in intentionally and we&#8217;re being thoughtful about it, we see attendance increase. Discipline issues decrease significantly — we&#8217;re talking five, ten percent. That&#8217;s a big decrease in disruptions. We&#8217;re seeing increased student achievement. Like, there&#8217;s so many benefits to all of this</p>
<p>that we know can truly turn things around for our students and make them want to come and also invest in their own learning, right? Because it&#8217;s really hard to compete when they see influencers on YouTube making millions of dollars and tell them, hey, you got to come to school today so that we can teach you how to be successful in our career. And they&#8217;re like, why? Right? Let&#8217;s make it relevant for them.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m a big believer that if we look at the history of the world, humans were creating before they learned how to feed themselves. It is innately part of who we have been created to be. There&#8217;s no other choice. We want to express it. We want to participate in it, and it is the natural hook that&#8217;s going to bring us in.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (11:18):</strong> So we&#8217;ve been talking to Susan M. Riley, founder of the Institute for Arts Integration and STEAM. She&#8217;s host of Art Works for Teachers podcast and author of the new book, Creativity&#8217;s Edge. Susan, thanks for coming on today&#8217;s show.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (11:33):</strong> Experience AI, co-founded by the Raspberry Pi Foundation and Google DeepMind, sponsored today&#8217;s show. Experience AI is a free AI literacy program downloaded more than a million times worldwide. It provides teachers with ready-to-teach lessons, with slides, lesson plans, worksheets, and an excellent free AI glossary that I highly recommend downloading first.</p>
<p>Within the resources, there are unplugged activities for you to explore with your learners that don&#8217;t require a computer at all. Experience AI supports all teachers, regardless of subject area, and doesn&#8217;t require any computer science or background knowledge. Get Experience AI free at coolcatteacher.com/experienceai. That&#8217;s coolcatteacher.com/experienceai.</p>
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<p>Elisabeth Bostwick on helping students build a personal brand that starts with who they are, not what they post. Brand colors, digital portfolios in Canva or Google Sites, and a LinkedIn teardown lesson you can run tomorrow with nothing to buy.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We all have a reputation, whether we build it intentionally or not. One of my son&#8217;s favorite assignments from middle school was when a teacher asked him to draw a coat of arms. It included what he liked, what mattered to him, and what characteristics he wanted to portray. He was figuring out who he was. Who would even put the word &#8220;brand&#8221; with an activity like that? However, there are times we may want to take the approach of &#8220;building a personal brand.&#8221; </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Whatever angle you want to take, Elisabeth Bostwick talks about authentic learning. Now, for those of us who automatically associate personal branding with social media, this doesn&#8217;t mean that students have to post on social media at all. Students can start with their strengths and interests and select brand colors as well. Elisabeth has done this with high school entrepreneurship students as well as fourth graders. For today&#8217;s Fab Idea Friday, think about activities that help students think through how they want to be viewed.</p>



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<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s not necessarily placing our kids on social media more. It&#8217;s more about helping them to identify who they are as an individual and essentially how they want to communicate that to the world…</p><p><cite>Elisabeth Bostwick, Founder, Inspire Innovation, LLC</cite></p></blockquote>
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<li><a href="https://elisabethbostwick.com/">Elisabeth Bostwick — Inspire Innovation</a> — her site, and the place she points students when they ask where to find resources. Speaking, books, and her blog all live here. She spells it out on the show: it&#8217;s <em>Elisabeth</em> with an S, not a Z.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Take-L-P-Culture-Innovation/dp/1948334062?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Take the L.E.A.P.: Ignite a Culture of Innovation</em></a> by Elisabeth Bostwick — her book, and the source of the framework behind this conversation: Luminous culture, Empowered learning, <strong>Authenticity in learning</strong>, Potential soars. The A is this episode. There&#8217;s also a <a href="https://elisabethbostwick.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Take-the-LEAP-Discussion-Guide-1.pdf">free discussion guide (PDF)</a> on her site if your team wants to read it together.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Education-Write-Now-Strategies-Relationships/dp/1138338974?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Education Write Now, Volume II: Top Strategies for Improving Relationships and Culture</em></a> — edited by Jeff Zoul and Sanée Bell, with Elisabeth&#8217;s chapter on cultivating student strengths and interests. Ten education authors wrote it together over a three-day retreat, and the royalties support the Will to Live Foundation.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2137127">Spark Joy in EDU</a> — the podcast Elisabeth co-hosts with Tisha Richmond about actively cultivating joy in your work as an educator. <em>Note: eighteen episodes, with the most recent published in March 2025 — the back catalog is well worth your commute, but it isn&#8217;t currently releasing new shows.</em></li>



<li><a href="https://www.canva.com/education/">Canva for Education</a> — free for verified K-12 teachers and their students. Elisabeth is a Canva for Education Learning Consultant, which is why Canva runs through this whole conversation.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.canva.com/website-builder/">Canva Websites</a> — the specific feature she describes. Her words: &#8220;I do create websites in Canva. They&#8217;re very simple. They function similarly to creating a presentation.&#8221; That&#8217;s the low-floor entry point for a student portfolio.</li>



<li><a href="https://sites.google.com/">Google Sites</a> — the other no-cost portfolio home she names, and the one my own students use. Mine build a site in eighth grade and keep updating it straight through senior year.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/">LinkedIn</a> — not for high schoolers to join, but for them to <em>read</em>. Elisabeth puts real public profiles on the screen and has students break down why each one does or doesn&#8217;t work.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.commonsensemedia.org/">Common Sense Media</a> — the resource Elisabeth names on the show for students working on how they show up online.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.commonsense.org/education/digital-literacy">Common Sense Education — Digital Literacy &amp; Well-Being Curriculum</a> — the free K-12 classroom side of Common Sense, and where teachers should actually start. <em>Note: this replaced the older Digital Citizenship Curriculum, which Common Sense has announced will be archived in December 2026. If you have old lesson links saved from a few years back, they&#8217;re on the clock — use the new curriculum.</em></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I think it is important to help students understand that there are professional networks online since that is how many people find new jobs. Here&#8217;s an activity that Elisabeth suggests. You can also create Linked In templates as well.</p>



<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">Pull up three real, public LinkedIn profiles on your screen. Elisabeth used current college students and a few young professionals — and she deliberately included one that wasn&#8217;t polished. Then take them apart together: Why does this one work? What are its strengths? Why might this one not work? When her high schoolers said the unpolished one looked &#8220;not as professional,&#8221; that was the opening, not the end of the conversation — the profile belonged to someone showcasing graphic design, so the whole visual feel was doing a job. Nothing to buy, nothing to get approved, and not one student has to post anything.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Notice what she is not doing. She is not asking teens to build an audience. She is teaching them to read an audience. These days I&#8217;ve had my students only share privately, she has students: build it in Google Sites or Canva, keep it private, and link it out later if and when they choose to.</p>



<h2 id="h-about-elisabeth-bostwick" class="wp-block-heading">About Elisabeth Bostwick</h2>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Elisabeth Bostwick, founder of Inspire Innovation, LLC, is a multi-award-winning educator passionate about creating the conditions to spark curiosity and unleash creativity to empower learning.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In addition to being a Keynote Speaker and Workshop Facilitator, she is the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Take-L-P-Culture-Innovation/dp/1948334062?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Take the L.E.A.P.: Ignite a Culture of Innovation</em></a> and co-author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Education-Write-Now-Strategies-Relationships/dp/1138338974?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Education Write Now Volume 2</em></a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As an Education Innovation Consultant and Canva for Education Learning Consultant supporting K-12 educators, Elisabeth works alongside teachers to create innovative classroom cultures where every learner thrives.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">With her passion for creating a long-lasting, positive impact on education, Elisabeth supports others in identifying how to cultivate systemic change and develop essential success skills to ignite a movement of inspired, confident learners.</p>



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<li><strong>Website:</strong> <a href="https://elisabethbostwick.com/">elisabethbostwick.com</a></li>



<li><strong>LinkedIn:</strong> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/elisabeth-bostwick-a79687159/">linkedin.com/in/elisabeth-bostwick-a79687159</a></li>



<li><strong>X:</strong> <a href="https://x.com/elisabostwick">@elisabostwick</a></li>



<li><strong>Bluesky:</strong> <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/elisabostwick.bsky.social">@elisabostwick.bsky.social</a></li>



<li><strong>Podcast:</strong> <a href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2137127">Spark Joy in EDU</a></li>
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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/brandtips/">How Can Students and Teachers Build a Good Personal Brand?</a> — the <em>Cool Cat Teacher Talk</em> episode where Elisabeth and Dr. Will Deyamaport and I took on this same question from the teacher&#8217;s side as well as the student&#8217;s. If today&#8217;s show made you think about your own footprint and not just your students&#8217;, start here.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/take-the-leap-dont-sit-and-stick/">Take the LEAP — Don&#8217;t Sit and Stick</a> — Elisabeth&#8217;s first time on the 10 Minute Teacher, back in episode 633. She takes us inside her classroom and how she built a culture where authentic learning could actually happen. It&#8217;s the foundation underneath everything in today&#8217;s conversation.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/5-tips-for-digital-portfolios/">5 Tips for Digital Portfolios</a> — episode 766 with Tisha Poncio, and the practical companion to this one. Planning, student choice of tool, modeling, checkpoints, and sharing with a real audience — plus a free portfolio checklist rubric you can download.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. – Vicki</em></p>



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<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:00):</strong> When people think of you, what do they think about? That&#8217;s part of our reputation. Some people call this a personal brand. And today we&#8217;re going to talk about helping students develop a personal brand. Now, if you don&#8217;t like the word brand, that is perfectly okay. There&#8217;s a proverb that says even a child is known by his deeds, whether what he does is good and right. We all have a reputation. What does our name mean?</p>
<p>What do people think when they think about us? These are good questions to ask. One of the greatest assignments one of my son&#8217;s teachers had him do was to create a coat of arms for himself in terms of what he liked and what was important to him and what characteristics were important. There are a lot of ways to do this, and one way is what some people call personal branding, and that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re learning about today.</p>
<p><strong>Announcer (00:55):</strong> This is the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:59):</strong> So today we&#8217;re talking with Elisabeth Bostwick, keynote speaker extraordinaire. She&#8217;s got a book, <em>Take the L.E.A.P.</em>, about school culture and so many other things. But today, Liz, we&#8217;re going to talk about a really cool topic, which is authentic learning, as well as helping kids to develop their personal brand. So could you start with telling us, like, how did you get interested in this work and how is it looking with kids?</p>
<p><strong>Elisabeth Bostwick (01:28):</strong> Well, with most of my work, it really does come from just my own experiences of having my own two kids. It&#8217;s my 20-year-old in particular who I was able to really see the things he was doing to create his own brand in some of the work that he&#8217;s doing, but also as he was heading off to college. I also could recognize some gaps that were needed within my own kiddos, but then just high school students in general — just understanding how they can leverage social media for their own personal brand.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (01:56):</strong> That&#8217;s a really interesting topic. But, you know, there&#8217;s some people who would say, hey, Liz, those kids are on social media enough, and you&#8217;re going to do it in school?</p>
<p><strong>Elisabeth Bostwick (02:05):</strong> A lot of this doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that we&#8217;re putting our kids more on social media. So if we were to break this down into bite-sized steps, we&#8217;d really be stepping back and beginning with helping our kids understand what are their strengths, what are their passions, what are their interests, what do they want them to walk away with, what perception do they want to create that&#8217;s authentic and meaningful to them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not necessarily placing our kids on social media more. It&#8217;s more about helping them to identify who they are as an individual and essentially how they want to communicate that to the world, whether it is college admissions. It could be even if they&#8217;re going into college sports or professional sports, even just careers in the workforce.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (02:45):</strong> I do an app project every semester with my ninth graders where they develop an app. And used to, I had them turn in a — quote — team report. I said, you&#8217;re going to create a TikTok-like or a Reel-like video report for me every day to kind of let me know what your team is doing.</p>
<p>And I had better reports, more engagement, more fun, more excitement on that project because I was letting them communicate in a way that they understood. And they were developing real-world skills. So even though over half of my kids are not on social media today, using that method helped them.</p>
<p>So what are some of the things you&#8217;re doing with kids?</p>
<p><strong>Elisabeth Bostwick (03:22):</strong> So this does connect to my book of <em>Take the L.E.A.P.: Ignite a Culture of Innovation</em>, because we&#8217;re really thinking about how do we create authentic and meaningful learning experiences, just like you&#8217;re talking about. So even if we&#8217;re not in school saying, hey, use the social media platform, this can look like taking a tool such as Canva. And there are other tools, too, that you can use. One thing that I really like that I do for myself is I do create websites in Canva. They&#8217;re very simple. They function similarly to creating a presentation.</p>
<p>Kids can go in, they can develop, like, what do they want their brand colors? What colors represent the work that you&#8217;re doing? Are you engaging in sports, music, clubs in school? And now how do you put that together in a way that you can showcase that visually?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very much similar to like a digital portfolio, but it could also incorporate academics, but really thinking about who the person is as a whole.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (04:15):</strong> So tell me a story about helping a child develop their personal brand, or a student developing their personal brand, and just sort of that journey that the student went on.</p>
<p><strong>Elisabeth Bostwick (04:24):</strong> We did some of this at a different level, even with fourth grade students. This is a student who didn&#8217;t necessarily shine within reading or math or your classic academic topics in school. At that time, she could come in and, without very much guidance at all, she would be able to connect the dots of how to build everything, how to make those connections. Also really took to coding, video creation.</p>
<p>And what was really neat about that is that other students noticed the strengths in her. So not only did this engage her and hook her in from some of the off-task behaviors that she&#8217;d do to avoid engaging in reading or writing or math because it wasn&#8217;t what she felt was her strong suit — but not only was she more engaged, but her peers recognized her strengths, and that really helped her confidence take off. So we can apply that across the board to any student. When we create the culture for that in our classrooms, we really set our students up for success.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (05:20):</strong> I&#8217;ve seen students who are good at graphic design and maybe not as great in other subjects. But when they start shining in graphic design, you can just feel how much pride they have as their peers start saying, what do you think about this design? And where do I need to move this? And how can I make this look better?</p>
<p>And they&#8217;re constantly almost like being a consultant to their classmates, because this is a different type of skill. I mean, this is real world. I do want to talk about your entrepreneurs and your business students. Do you have a story from that work you&#8217;re doing right now?</p>
<p><strong>Elisabeth Bostwick (05:52):</strong> I will say a lot of them haven&#8217;t considered how they&#8217;re showcasing who they are in social media. So that was kind of a big topic. I saw a lot of chuckles around the room when we started. I had a question up on the screen that said, think about a social media post that you may have seen somebody within your high school make that you saw and you&#8217;re thinking that probably never should have gone out there.</p>
<p>So, of course, these are 16, 17, 18-year-olds, and some of them are making eye contact. Like, they know that certain things shouldn&#8217;t be out there. However, I will say students — and the same can apply to adults — don&#8217;t always think about how they&#8217;re communicating about who they are on social media. And so a lot of this comes back to authentic storytelling.</p>
<p>How do we, staying authentic to who we are, create a story that other people can look back on and be able to connect the dots to — this is where somebody started, this is where they&#8217;re growing, this is where they&#8217;re developing, and you can kind of see the development of that person. So, again, coming back to sharing experiences, volunteer work, projects, lessons that they might have learned, especially being able to share their reflections on anything that they&#8217;ve done. I think really can show just personal values, too.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (07:06):</strong> So we do a Shark Tank with our app project, and the kids create just these fantastic apps that meet all different kinds of needs. It&#8217;s a very social entrepreneurship type thing. And it really is transformational when students do real-world work. And is it one of their big questions? Why does this matter? Isn&#8217;t that part of authentic learning?</p>
<p><strong>Elisabeth Bostwick (07:29):</strong> Absolutely. These are skill sets that they&#8217;re going to use beyond the classroom, from video creation to — and we even talk about like not just sharing photos on social media, but how do you bring it into a template and add elements and apply your brand color? Things don&#8217;t have to feel polished all of the time, because sometimes scrappy can also showcase a brand as well. So it just depends on what you&#8217;re communicating.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve taken different LinkedIn pages. Some have been current college students. And then I did find a couple of adults that might appear like they are close to being in college age still. They&#8217;re young enough. It was really neat to break down why does this LinkedIn profile, why does this work, and what are the strengths of it, and even like why might something not work. So we tried to find various examples.</p>
<p>Like LinkedIn — that&#8217;s really where a lot of college kids are beginning to understand the importance of networking and building your digital portfolio there. It was neat to be able to take a couple that weren&#8217;t as polished and professional looking, because the brand might be showcasing graphic design. It&#8217;s got a completely different visual feel to it. And some of the kids were like, well, that one&#8217;s not as professional. So we got to break down, well, what are they trying to communicate? What are they telling a story about who they are and the work?</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (08:41):</strong> So as we finish up, Liz, talk to all the students out here who are listening to you thinking, huh, is my personal brand important? And when do I start building it?</p>
<p><strong>Elisabeth Bostwick (08:51):</strong> Well, I think there is never a wrong time to get started. I think you can get started anytime. And again, you can start small. I know that some colleges will look at — colleges, workforce will look people up on social media. So it doesn&#8217;t mean that we can&#8217;t share things about our dog or family. I sure do. But at the same time, we can get started by thinking about the things that we do in school, whether it&#8217;s an activity, something you&#8217;re volunteering, a project you&#8217;re a part of, any sports that you&#8217;re involved in, music — and begin sharing pictures and just keeping simple captions.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not comfortable sharing quite yet on social media, create it in a Google site or a Canvas site or anything similar where you can put together that digital portfolio, because that can also be linked at any point to any social media channel, or you can add a social media profile link in your bio section, or you can take any of those images or videos that you create and later upload those. So you can kind of begin capturing things anywhere and then deciding how you&#8217;re most comfortable sharing.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (09:52):</strong> A lot of college applications now have a hyperlink box where you can put the hyperlink, and my students will take their web pages from eighth grade, update them for being a senior and hit publish. And they&#8217;ve got it there. You know, they&#8217;ve got all the structure, the skeletal part, and then they just add a little bit to it.</p>
<p>Having that brand is important. But students also have to remember, it&#8217;s not like they can just have a nice little polished LinkedIn, because companies, they have whole departments for investigating potential employees and looking at all the social media of people. So being wise about your personal brand everywhere you share is just so important.</p>
<p>Where do you recommend students go, the resources to help them as they develop their personal brand?</p>
<p><strong>Elisabeth Bostwick (10:34):</strong> There are all kinds of resources that you can find out there. I actually have a couple on my website, so you can always go there. I&#8217;ve also found things on Common Sense Media. My website is elisabethbostwick.com. It is Elisabeth with an S, not a Z.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (10:48):</strong> Thank you, Liz, for the many times you&#8217;ve answered the call to come on the show. I just appreciate that you&#8217;re working with kids. I think one of the most important things I look for in educational leaders is that their passion to teach remains and that they continue to work with students, because students have changed a lot in the last few years. So thanks, Liz.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e978/" title="AI and Academic Honesty: The Second Crisis in Schools" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="576" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/978-christian-miller-1024x576.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/978-christian-miller-1024x576.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/978-christian-miller-300x169.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/978-christian-miller-768x432.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/978-christian-miller-1170x658.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/978-christian-miller-585x329.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/978-christian-miller.png 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>The internet was the first honesty crisis in education. AI is the second — and philosopher Christian Miller says it runs on both sides of the desk. What counts as plagiarism, what AI detectors can and can't prove, and the conversation to have before you accuse.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Honesty. We need to be honest about where we are in education. Whether authentic, true, genuine learning is happening should be the question for all of us in education. None of us wants to pretend or participate in a farce. AI guilt is now &#8220;a thing&#8221; <a href="https://www.thestateofbrand.com/news/ai-native-graduates-guilt-workforce">college graduates are talking about</a>. College graduates who are not being &#8220;caught&#8221; but feel like they spent the last years pretending to learn. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dr. Christian Miller, author of <a href="https://amzn.to/4qvIowO" data-type="link" data-id="https://amzn.to/4qvIowO">The Honesty Crisis</a>, has spent more than a decade running some of the largest funded research projects on honesty and moral character. He says that the internet was the first honesty crisis in education. AI is the second one.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We talk about both sides of the desk on this one. Both the student writing their paper with AI and learning nothing, and the teacher giving AI-generated feedback without disclosing it to students. This is why an honest expert is staying up at night about the papers his philosophy students are writing (or if they are not). </p>



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<blockquote><p>Whether that&#8217;s plagiarism from the internet, whether that&#8217;s plagiarism from another student&#8217;s paper, whether that&#8217;s plagiarism from AI, it still counts as plagiarism and plagiarism is dishonest.</p><p><cite>Christian B. Miller, A. C. Reid Professor of Philosophy, Wake Forest University</cite></p></blockquote>
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<h2 id="h-resources-mentioned-in-this-episode" class="wp-block-heading">Resources Mentioned in This Episode</h2>



<h3 id="h-christian-s-books" class="wp-block-heading">Christian&#8217;s books</h3>



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<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Honesty-Crisis-Preserving-Treasured-Increasingly/dp/0197840809?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The Honesty Crisis: Preserving Our Most Treasured Virtue in an Increasingly Dishonest World</em></a> (Oxford University Press) — the book at the center of this conversation. It maps six areas of society where Christian sees honesty eroding: deepfakes, infidelity, education, political misinformation, celebrity, and religion, including sermon plagiarism. Education is only one chapter. <em>Published May 19, 2026 — we recorded this before release, so you&#8217;ll hear us both talk about it as coming.</em> The publisher&#8217;s page is <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-honesty-crisis-9780197840801">here at Oxford University Press</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Honesty-Philosophy-Psychology-Neglected-Virtue/dp/0197567495?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Honesty: The Philosophy and Psychology of a Neglected Virtue</em></a> (Oxford University Press, 2021) — the academic book underneath the trade book. If you want the actual definition of honesty he keeps referring to, and why it is bigger than &#8220;don&#8217;t tell lies,&#8221; this is where it lives.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Character-Gap-Good-Philosophy-Action/dp/0190264225?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The Character Gap: How Good Are We?</em></a> (Oxford University Press, 2017) — his earlier book for general readers, and the most accessible entry point to his research on moral character. Good faculty-book-study material.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Moral-Character-Empirical-Christian-Miller/dp/0199674353?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Moral Character: An Empirical Theory</em></a> (Oxford University Press, 2013) — where he first argues that most of us are neither virtuous nor vicious but a mixed bag, which is exactly the frame he uses in this episode to explain why good people still cheat when it gets easy.</li>
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<h3 id="h-the-research-projects" class="wp-block-heading">The research projects</h3>



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<li><a href="https://honestyproject.philosophy.wfu.edu/">The Honesty Project</a> — the $4.4 million research effort Christian directed at Wake Forest University, funded by the John Templeton Foundation, built around five big questions about what honesty is, how much of it people actually have, and what makes it grow or collapse. Free, public, and a genuinely useful place to send a curious student.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.thecharacterproject.com/">The Character Project</a> — the earlier Wake Forest initiative he led on moral character across philosophy, psychology, and theology. Conference videos and funded research are posted there.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.moralbeacons.org/">The Beacon Project</a> — the Wake Forest project on moral exemplars, the people who are not just good but exceptional, where Christian served as Philosophy Director.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.templeton.org/">The John Templeton Foundation</a> — the funder behind the Honesty Project and the Character Project.</li>
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<h3 id="h-the-ai-detector-christian-names" class="wp-block-heading">The AI detector Christian names</h3>



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<li><a href="https://www.pangram.com/">Pangram</a> — the AI-detection company whose accuracy claims Christian says have caused him to revise his thinking. The specific number he cites, and what it does and does not settle, is broken down in the Sources section below. Read that before you take a detector result to a parent conference.</li>



<li>Note: At this time, I&#8217;m not recommending any AI detector as I think we should focus on learning detection. Oral conversations, discussions, and methods for building on assignments should show students that we are focused on learning.</li>
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<h3 id="h-find-christian" class="wp-block-heading">Find Christian</h3>



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<li><a href="https://christianbmiller.com/">christianbmiller.com</a> — his site, with his CV, popular writing, talks, and pages for each book.</li>



<li><a href="https://honestyproject.philosophy.wfu.edu/meet-the-team/">His Honesty Project faculty page</a> at Wake Forest University.</li>



<li><a href="https://twitter.com/CharacterGap">@CharacterGap on X</a> · <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/christian-miller-81809b26/">LinkedIn</a> · <a href="https://www.facebook.com/CharacterGap/">Facebook</a></li>
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<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">Before you accuse anyone, ask them to walk you through the paper. When Christian gets a suspicious paper, his first move is not a detector — it is a conversation, run in the least confrontational way he can manage. Tell me about this paper. How did you write it? Walk me through the steps. Can you explain this idea? It wasn&#8217;t in the class material — where did it come from? He says students often admit it on their own at that point. And when they do, he stays lenient: there is a consequence, the grade takes a hit, but he does not fail them or send them to a hearing. They rewrite the paper and get a second chance. The whole exchange fits inside a planning period.</p>



<h2 id="h-about-dr-christian-miller" class="wp-block-heading">About Dr. Christian Miller</h2>


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<figure ><img decoding="async" width="1920" height="1280" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Dr-Christian-Miller-headshot-scaled-1.jpg" alt="Christian B. Miller, A. C. Reid Professor of Philosophy at Wake Forest University and author of The Honesty Crisis" class="wp-image-35277" style="width:300px;height:auto" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Dr-Christian-Miller-headshot-scaled-1.jpg 1920w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Dr-Christian-Miller-headshot-scaled-1-300x200.jpg 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Dr-Christian-Miller-headshot-scaled-1-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Dr-Christian-Miller-headshot-scaled-1-768x512.jpg 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Dr-Christian-Miller-headshot-scaled-1-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Dr-Christian-Miller-headshot-scaled-1-1170x780.jpg 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Dr-Christian-Miller-headshot-scaled-1-585x390.jpg 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Dr-Christian-Miller-headshot-scaled-1-263x175.jpg 263w" sizes="(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Dr. Christian B. Miller</figcaption></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Christian B. Miller is the A. C. Reid Professor of Philosophy at Wake Forest University. He was most recently the Director of the Honesty Project (<a href="https://honestyproject.philosophy.wfu.edu/">honestyproject.philosophy.wfu.edu/</a>), funded by a $4.4 million grant from the John Templeton Foundation. In recent years he was the Philosophy Director of the Beacon Project (<a href="https://www.moralbeacons.org/">www.moralbeacons.org</a>), funded by a $3.9 million grant from Templeton Religion Trust, and the Director of the Character Project (<a href="https://www.thecharacterproject.com/">www.thecharacterproject.com</a>), funded by $5.6 million in grants from the John Templeton Foundation and Templeton World Charity Foundation. He is the author of over 130 academic papers as well as <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Elements-Ethics-Christian-Miller/dp/1108706436?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">Moral Psychology</a> with Cambridge University Press (2021) and four books with Oxford University Press, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Moral-Character-Empirical-Christian-Miller/dp/0199674353?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">Moral Character: An Empirical Theory</a> (2013), <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Character-Moral-Psychology-Christian-Miller/dp/0199674361?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">Character and Moral Psychology</a> (2014), <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Character-Gap-Good-Philosophy-Action/dp/0190264225?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">The Character Gap: How Good Are We?</a> (2017), and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Honesty-Philosophy-Psychology-Neglected-Virtue/dp/0197567495?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">Honesty: The Philosophy and Psychology of a Neglected Virtue</a> (2021). His new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Honesty-Crisis-Preserving-Treasured-Increasingly/dp/0197840809?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">The Honesty Crisis: Preserving Our Most Treasured Virtue in an Increasingly Dishonest World</a>, is forthcoming from Oxford in 2026.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dr. Miller was a science contributor for Forbes, and his writings have also appeared in The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Dallas Morning News, Slate, The Conversation, Newsweek, Aeon, and Christianity Today. Miller is the editor or co-editor of Essays in the Philosophy of Religion (OUP), Character: New Directions from Philosophy, Psychology, and Theology (OUP), Moral Psychology, Volume V: Virtue and Character (MIT Press), <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Integrity-Honesty-Truth-Seeking-Virtues/dp/0190666021?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">Integrity, Honesty, and Truth Seeking</a> (OUP), and The Bloomsbury Handbook of Ethics (Bloomsbury Press).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Editor&#8217;s note: this bio was written before publication. </em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Honesty-Crisis-Preserving-Treasured-Increasingly/dp/0197840809?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The Honesty Crisis</em></a><em> is no longer forthcoming — Oxford University Press released it on May 19, 2026, and it is available now.</em></p>



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<h2 style="color:#FFFFFF;margin:0;font-size:1.35em;font-weight:700;">🐾 Sources &amp; Citations: AI Detection Accuracy</h2>
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<p style="color:#111111;margin:0 0 26px;">Verified August 23, 2026. Christian says on the show that he has started revising his thinking about AI detectors, and he names a specific error rate. Here is exactly where that number comes from, who has checked it independently, and what it still does not settle. This is a fast-moving area and these are the two best sources available right now, not the last word.</p>
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<p style="color:#03256C;font-weight:700;margin:0 0 6px;">Where the &#8220;one in 10,000&#8221; number comes from</p>
<p style="color:#111111;margin:0 0 10px;">Emi, B. (2025, March 27). <em>All about false positives in AI detectors.</em> Pangram Labs. <a href="https://www.pangram.com/blog/all-about-false-positives-in-ai-detectors" style="color:#2599FF;">Source</a></p>
<div style="background:#FDF0D5;border-radius:8px;padding:12px 16px;margin:0 0 10px;"><span style="color:#111111;"><strong style="color:#03256C;">Key finding:</strong> Pangram reports an overall false-positive rate of roughly 1 in 10,000 — that is, human writing wrongly flagged as AI — and 0.004% on academic essays specifically, which works out to about 1 in 25,000. The same post lists its rates by writing type and is candid that the tool performs worst on short, formulaic text like poetry and recipes.</span></div>
<p style="color:#111111;font-size:0.95em;margin:0;"><strong>Caveat:</strong> This is the company&#8217;s own internally measured figure, published on the company&#8217;s own blog. Treat it as a vendor claim that happens to be unusually well documented, not as neutral testing. And a rate is not a verdict: at 1 in 10,000, a school that runs every submission through a detector will still eventually flag a student who did nothing wrong, and no detector output tells you anything about intent.</p>
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<p style="color:#03256C;font-weight:700;margin:0 0 6px;">Somebody outside the company checked it</p>
<p style="color:#111111;margin:0 0 10px;">Jabarian, B., &amp; Imas, A. (2025). <em>Artificial writing and automated detection</em> (NBER Working Paper No. 34223). National Bureau of Economic Research. <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w34223" style="color:#2599FF;">Source</a></p>
<div style="background:#FDF0D5;border-radius:8px;padding:12px 16px;margin:0 0 10px;"><span style="color:#111111;"><strong style="color:#03256C;">Key finding:</strong> Two University of Chicago Booth School of Business economists audited four detectors — Pangram, Originality.AI, GPTZero, and an open-source RoBERTa baseline — against a purpose-built corpus of human-written and AI-generated texts across multiple genres and lengths. Pangram had the lowest false-positive rate of the four. The paper also proposes a framework for how schools and institutions should think about writing detection into actual policy, which is the more useful half for educators.</span></div>
<p style="color:#111111;font-size:0.95em;margin:0;"><strong>Caveat:</strong> This is a working paper. It has not been through peer review, and it tests detectors against a constructed corpus rather than real student submissions from real classrooms. It also cannot answer the question I raise in this episode, because no detector audit can: the false negatives you never see, when a student runs AI text through a &#8220;humanizer&#8221; and keeps rerunning it until it comes back clean.</p>
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<strong style="color:#03256C;">🐾 How I used AI on this post:</strong> On an episode about honesty, it would be strange not to say. I used AI to help clean up the raw interview transcript, to help draft and organize these show notes, and to help hunt down and verify the sources above. Every citation, link, book title, and publication date on this page was checked against its primary source before it went up. The opinions, the questions I asked, and the conclusions are mine. I am happy to answer any questions about AI use. Ultimately, I&#8217;m accountable for what is here. 
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<h2 id="h-other-shows-for-teachers-wrestling-with-ai-and-academic-honesty" class="wp-block-heading">Other Shows for Teachers Wrestling With AI and Academic Honesty</h2>



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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/honestai/">Honest Conversations About AI: The Need for Truth</a> — the Cool Cat Teacher Talk hour this interview came from, where Christian and MIT&#8217;s Justin Reich both join me. If this episode left you wanting the longer version, start here.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e945/">AI Assisted Grading: A Teacher&#8217;s 30-Second Checklist</a> — the practical companion to the uncomfortable half of this conversation. If you are using AI anywhere in your assessment workflow, run through this one next.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e934/">Brain First, AI Second: Teaching Writing in the AI Era</a> with Philip Seyfried of Teachers College, Columbia — on why AI detectors fail, what the MIT research actually showed, and how to build trust around AI in a writing classroom.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/how-to-prevent-ai-cheating-integrity-in-the-ai-age/">How to Prevent AI Cheating: Integrity in the AI Age</a> with Professor Laurel Aguilar-Kirchhoff — the assignment-design answer. She turned a midterm essay into a storyboard rather than fighting the tool.</li>
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<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:00):</strong> If you use AI to write student feedback and they think it came from you, who&#8217;s being dishonest? Today on Thought Leader Thursday, we&#8217;re discussing the honesty crisis.</p>
<p><strong>Announcer (00:12):</strong> This is the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:16):</strong> Today we&#8217;re talking with Dr. Christian Miller, the A. C. Reid Professor of Philosophy at Wake Forest University. For over a decade, he&#8217;s led some of the largest research projects on honesty and moral character ever funded, including The Honesty Project and The Character Project. His new book is called <em>The Honesty Crisis</em>, and it will be out May 19th, 2026.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re going to talk about something that every teacher and administrator and every college professor is feeling right now: what honesty means in the age of AI, and how it&#8217;s under threat in our classrooms from both sides of the desk. So, Christian, thanks for coming on the show.</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s note: this conversation was recorded April 15, 2026.</em> The Honesty Crisis <em>was released by Oxford University Press on May 19, 2026, and is available now.</em></p>
<p><strong>Christian Miller (00:58):</strong> Great to be with you. I really look forward to our conversation.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (01:01):</strong> What do we do about honesty, and where has it gone, especially in the age of AI? And some people just say, oh, it&#8217;s always been this bad. As a teacher who&#8217;s been teaching 24 years, I&#8217;m not convinced. What do you think?</p>
<p><strong>Christian Miller (01:12):</strong> On the historical question, I&#8217;m not convinced either. I mean, student cheating has been around forever. That&#8217;s nothing new. That&#8217;s nothing we haven&#8217;t heard before. I did think, though, that it ramped up when we shipped it to the Internet. So when the Internet came along, that was first what I call an honesty crisis, where honesty becomes more appealing and dishonesty is hard to detect. So it&#8217;s easier to get away with dishonesty. When you had the Internet, that was, I think, the first big moment.</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s note: &#8220;where honesty becomes more appealing&#8221; is left exactly as spoken because both independent transcriptions of this audio produce the same words. From context, Dr. Miller appears to mean DIShonesty becoming more appealing. Unresolved — flagged for review before this line is quoted.</em></p>
<p>You could go online, you could find material, you could put that material into your paper or find answers to problem sets and really cut corners that way. But that didn&#8217;t end there, of course. And so with the dawn of AI, I think that&#8217;s now the second honesty crisis we&#8217;re facing in education. Progression of more and more opportunity to cheat, as well as difficulty in being caught cheating.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a bad combination. When it&#8217;s easier to cheat and it&#8217;s more difficult to get caught cheating, recipe for dishonesty.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (02:04):</strong> So what does your research say about honesty and this topic? I mean, do people want to be honest? Is it as rampant as we think it is, according to the research?</p>
<p><strong>Christian Miller (02:13):</strong> In general, I think people do want to be honest, but there are limits. It only goes so far. So the research I&#8217;ve consulted suggests that, in general, we believe that things like cheating are wrong. We also care about how we&#8217;re perceived by others. We want to be perceived by others as honest people. We even want to think of ourselves as honest people. So those are all good things. Those are going to keep dishonesty in check.</p>
<p>At the same time, we do have a desire to cheat if we think we can get away with it, and it&#8217;ll benefit ourselves. Our character, I think, here is complicated. It&#8217;s multifaceted. It&#8217;s not like simplistic. We&#8217;re good, we&#8217;re bad. We&#8217;re honest, we&#8217;re dishonest. I think we&#8217;re a mixed bag. As the opportunity to cheat gets easier and the rewards get greater, the good side of our character can erode. So that belief that cheating is wrong will have limits. That desire to think of ourselves as good people or not as people, that has limits.</p>
<p>So what is happening with the AI situation is, before there was always this threat, maybe I&#8217;ll get caught. There was this idea, well, it&#8217;s still going to take me some work to go on the Internet, and I&#8217;m going to have to find this stuff, and I&#8217;m going to have to change it and adapt it for my purposes. Now it&#8217;s so easy that a lot of the traditional safeguards aren&#8217;t as effective as they once were. So all I have to do is go to this website, give the prompt, and I can get, in a span of five seconds or 10 seconds, my assignment completed for me. I can get a quality work done for me in 10 seconds, whereas normally that would take me an hour or two. That&#8217;s a really hard temptation to resist. Once you know it&#8217;s there, it&#8217;s available to you, it&#8217;s a really hard temptation to resist.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (03:57):</strong> So you&#8217;ve also said something that&#8217;s caught my attention — that in education, the dishonesty problem isn&#8217;t only about students, but it&#8217;s also about teachers using AI to give feedback. Now, I will admit that I use AI to support me. So I&#8217;ll put in my rubric and I&#8217;ll grade, and I&#8217;ll go in AI and I&#8217;ll say, hey, this is the points they have off, you know, write this up so that I can paste it in. And I&#8217;m kind of, I guess, using it like a word calculator.</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s your perspective on AI to give feedback? Is it having AI, quote, grade — something I personally think we should never have teachers do? Or what&#8217;s your take on that side of the desk?</p>
<p><strong>Christian Miller (04:36):</strong> Yeah, I think it&#8217;s so easy to jump into the student side of it and just focus on that. But I think there&#8217;s lots of other aspects to this whole AI discussion. I mean, we could even have a discussion of whether AI itself is honest or not.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a question of what about in the teacher&#8217;s research, if they&#8217;re doing research or just newsletter, publication, communication with parents, all that kind of side of thing if they&#8217;re using AI.</p>
<p>But here you&#8217;re focusing specifically on teachers grading or teachers assessing student work. I think it&#8217;s all a question of whether there&#8217;s transparency or not. So let&#8217;s start with the student case, but then go where you took us, to the teacher case. I have no problem from an honesty perspective if a student is transparent that they used AI, because now we&#8217;re out of the — there may be other problems. Maybe they weren&#8217;t supposed to, maybe they&#8217;re violating the rules, but from an honesty perspective, at least they&#8217;re forthcoming, they&#8217;re transparent about what they did.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t do that, if they present their work as if it were their own with no disclosure when it wasn&#8217;t, then that actually meets the definition of plagiarism. So they&#8217;re using another source to produce the work and they&#8217;re taking credit for that work themselves. That&#8217;s just a kind of standard example of plagiarism. Whether that&#8217;s plagiarism from the internet, whether that&#8217;s plagiarism from another student&#8217;s paper, whether that&#8217;s plagiarism from AI, it still counts as plagiarism and plagiarism is dishonest.</p>
<p>Now we shift to the teacher case. If the teacher says, look, I&#8217;m going to assess your work using the help of these tools. Some of my communication with you is going to be generated by AI to help save some time of writing these emails or whatnot — might be other ethical questions that arise, but there&#8217;s no, in my mind, question about honesty.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where I think it gets quite tricky. So the student gets the paper back. On the paper are some typed comments, or somewhere there&#8217;s this feedback. The feedback is AI generated. The student isn&#8217;t told that. It looks like it&#8217;s coming from the teacher. That&#8217;s what any reasonable person would have assumed is not.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re actually being dishonest towards the student. If that were to be discovered, that would be a violation of trust, and I think erode the trust in the classroom, which is very important to have.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (06:50):</strong> Our policy at our school is that some AI feedback tools are allowed, but with complete oversight with a teacher, complete transparency to your students. So if I have a massive project and I have AI, quote, looking at it or whatever and supporting me as it&#8217;s a huge project, I always say, okay, students, I&#8217;ve reviewed this. This is the grade that I&#8217;ve given you. But I did use AI in portions of assessing this for you. So if you have any questions or issues, I want you to look this over and bring it back to me. Is that how we should handle it? Or should we just not even use it at all?</p>
<p><strong>Christian Miller (07:28):</strong> Well, as far as an honesty perspective, I have no objections at all. You&#8217;re being very transparent. You&#8217;re being very clear.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a larger question of role modeling beyond honesty. You know, how should we think about a good person? How should we become better? And one really important idea is role modeling good character in front of other people, if you want to try and inspire them to be good themselves.</p>
<p>So the point here is, transparency is great, no problem with honesty. Now, if you&#8217;re saying that to the students, they&#8217;re going to naturally have the thoughts, well, if you&#8217;re using that, why can&#8217;t I?</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (08:04):</strong> And of course, in my classroom, they can, but yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Christian Miller (08:07):</strong> Yeah, but many of them wouldn&#8217;t. It wouldn&#8217;t be allowed. So if it&#8217;s perceived as in any way a double standard or hypocritical, like you&#8217;re not letting us use it, but you&#8217;re using it, why not let us use it too? That&#8217;s going to create problems.</p>
<p>So instead, if the idea is I&#8217;m going to role model — look, I know these tools are available, I&#8217;m not going to use them. I&#8217;m going to instead pour myself into grading this paper using my own knowledge and experience and skills, and it might be not as reliable. So I want you to come to me if I made a mistake or whatnot, but at least you know that this is entirely me speaking and I&#8217;m not drawing on anything else. That&#8217;s another idea. I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s better or worse. I&#8217;m reticent to tell someone who&#8217;s working tremendous hours in K through 12 that they&#8217;re doing something wrong.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (08:53):</strong> So when we have a student bring something to us, I mean, all of us teachers have a different way of, quote, handling the situation.</p>
<p>Say my friend Dawn across the hall — a student brings her paper that is obviously most likely AI written. And we know AI detectors don&#8217;t work, which is a big part of the problem. Is there any research on the best way to handle that possible dishonesty issue?</p>
<p><strong>Christian Miller (09:18):</strong> I have a couple of things to say here that are going to be controversial, and I&#8217;ll just flag that. And, you know, listeners, please feel free to take it for what it&#8217;s worth.</p>
<p>On the detector front, I would have agreed with you maybe even a year ago or two years ago. And I know you&#8217;ve had past guests talk about this too. Recently there seems to be a bit of a change, a pivot. So I&#8217;m seeing places like Pangram, which are reporting stunning reliability and detection. So almost no false positives. So one in 10,000 kind of rates of error with false positives. So I am revising my thinking a bit about whether to go to these detectors or not.</p>
<p>Even if that&#8217;s true — let&#8217;s just assume that there is this great detector out there now — still, I think we want to have some valid concerns about using it. One is it&#8217;s not 100% reliable. Even if it&#8217;s 99.99% reliable, it&#8217;s not 100%. So there&#8217;s questions of whether it&#8217;s going to meet the threshold for punishment of the students, especially in my case at a university. We have an actual committee where you would have to go through kind of trial process. And so would we meet the evidentiary bar there? I mean, and there&#8217;s also larger questions about trust and, you know, if this is something that&#8217;s known to students, they&#8217;re going to have to run their papers through that. What kind of classroom environment does it create? Does it break down trust in the classroom and create an atmosphere of fear? Those are all valid points and concerns.</p>
<p>So, having said that, I&#8217;m of two minds. One part of my mind says, okay, this person has brought this paper to me, has brought a paper to me that they&#8217;re suspicious about. One part of my mind says, let&#8217;s use these detectors and see what they tell us. Part of my mind says, let&#8217;s enter a conversation with a student. So if it&#8217;s my student, I would have a student come in. If the professor came to me, I recommend to the professor enter in a conversation with that student, to try and do it in as least confrontational a way as possible, to try and extract that truth from the students about what they did, rather than making it adversarial from the very beginning.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say, look, you know, a student comes into my office — bit about this paper. How did you write it? Walk me through the steps. Can you explain this idea? This wasn&#8217;t something in the class material. Where did this come from? How did you learn about this? At some point, often they will say, I admit I used some other source.</p>
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<p>If they do that, then I tend to be quite lenient. I will not take them to any kind of hearing. I&#8217;m not going to get other people involved. I&#8217;ll say something along the lines of, look, there has to be some kind of consequence for this, but I&#8217;m not going to fail you for the class. I&#8217;m not going to sack you for the entire grade. Your grade will take a hit, but let&#8217;s learn from this, rewrite the paper, and give you a second chance.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (12:00):</strong> They were honest. So in the detection, you know, my students are pretty open and honest. We&#8217;ve had conversations about humanizers, right? Students will, whatever AI tool of their choices, generate or use it. And then they&#8217;ll pull it into a, quote, humanizer, which supposedly makes it undetectable. And then they&#8217;ll run it through whatever AI detection tool they know people they&#8217;re using, until they get a paper.</p>
<p>So while a detection service may have false positives, I guess my question is always what you can&#8217;t test, which is the false negatives, right? Like, that&#8217;s the big unknown here, because all it takes is one or two getting away with it, telling all their peers they&#8217;re getting away with it, to discredit any AI detection tool we could try to use.</p>
<p>We want to make this easy. It just doesn&#8217;t feel like an easy solution. And it is a crisis. I agree.</p>
<p><strong>Christian Miller (12:53):</strong> If you want the magic solution, I&#8217;m not going to have it. Also say, confess, I struggle the most about this. And I don&#8217;t have an answer. And this is what keeps me up at night, is when we get to more advanced classes. And this would apply, I think, in middle school and high school, not just in college. Intro classes are one thing. More advanced classes are another.</p>
<p>In my case, I&#8217;m a philosopher, teach majors-level philosophy classes. How can I not have papers, which I want my students to reflect on the topic, do a lot of thinking, construct an argument, raise objections, respond to the objections, do all that kind of work, which you can&#8217;t really cram into 50 minutes of class? How can I take that away from them and still think that I&#8217;m doing a good job teaching them and giving them the skills that they need as philosophy majors or proficient students in English or history? I don&#8217;t have an answer to that, and that keeps me up at night.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (13:46):</strong> We have to be honest with ourselves about the state that AI has put us in with education. Because if we can&#8217;t discuss these honestly and say, hey, I&#8217;m not buying the line of the tech companies that AI is going to fix everything — AI has broken a lot of things.</p>
<p>And a lot of us K-12 have moved to oral conversations. My AP class, they have to be able to defend every line of code verbally, on the spot. But then part of my struggle with the handwritten papers — we&#8217;re doing that too — is that when you have a student who is dysgraphic and dyslexic, as I do in my own family, and struggles with written expression, those students literally and legally need technology to be able to help them to truly express themselves in the world.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the piece of entry-level jobs are going away in lieu of jobs where people can manage AI. They have to be able to manage AI agents is where we&#8217;re heading, and know how to do that type of work. So we really are in a conundrum, aren&#8217;t we?</p>
<p><strong>Christian Miller (14:59):</strong> We are. So I have a similar situation in my family, so I&#8217;m very cognizant of that.</p>
<p>You could make the quick point, but it&#8217;s not completely satisfactory, that there&#8217;s one thing of, and it&#8217;s a different thing of using a computer with internet access. We have ways of shutting off or blocking internet access, so at least they have the typing tools and the spell check and whatnot without the option of going somewhere else for help. But that&#8217;s not a completely satisfactory point.</p>
<p>I agree with you also on — well, at my level of college here, doing a disservice if we&#8217;re not providing an opportunity to the students to make use of these tools, because then they&#8217;ll be at a disadvantage when they get out in the job world. I don&#8217;t know about that. I mean, I think they have plenty of opportunity to use this on their own, and they&#8217;re using it all the time anyway.</p>
<p>And at least in my world of the humanities, I don&#8217;t see — I mean, maybe it really varies by field. So maybe I should qualify what I say. My business students would be different or my science students would be different. Maybe I have to go field by field. I&#8217;m not so sure that my humanities students are at a disadvantage if I say, look, I don&#8217;t want you to use this stuff for my philosophy papers. I think they&#8217;re going to have plenty of opportunity to use it for other things. Maybe I&#8217;m here being naively optimistic, but I don&#8217;t want to think that I&#8217;m disadvantaging them by discouraging them from using it.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (16:18):</strong> So, Christian, what is your goal for the book, <em>The Honesty Crisis</em>?</p>
<p><strong>Christian Miller (16:22):</strong> The book is larger in scope than just education. So it&#8217;s talking about six different areas of society where I see honesty crisis happening, and education is only one of them. Others include things like deepfake videos, political misinformation, celebrity, even religion. I talk about things like sermon plagiarism. So I&#8217;m worried about honesty crisis popping up all over the place.</p>
<p>I guess my goals would be threefold. One, just appreciate what honesty is in the first place. Get a better handle on what it is to be an honest person. That&#8217;s actually quite interesting and more nuanced and complex than you might have thought. It&#8217;s not just a matter of don&#8217;t tell lies. It has way more richness to it than that.</p>
<p>So greater appreciation of what honesty is. Greater appreciation of where it&#8217;s eroding in society, places we might not even have paid attention to. AI in the education case is an obvious one. Some are more subtle.</p>
<p>Lastly, a kind of feeling and a motivation to do something about it. Not only now I&#8217;m better equipped and more knowledgeable about this, but I&#8217;m also inspired to change my life and work towards change in other people&#8217;s lives to address these honesty crises. There are things we can do concretely. It&#8217;s really important that we do them, because honesty is our most treasured virtue. It erodes. Terrible things tend to happen in society. So it&#8217;s worth fighting for.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (17:41):</strong> Honesty is worth fighting for. As an educator, I want to believe in the integrity of what&#8217;s happening in my classroom. I mean, we don&#8217;t want to give our lives for something that&#8217;s pretend, that&#8217;s fake, that&#8217;s not real. And we know that people struggle with, you know, what do I believe in in the world anymore?</p>
<p>You know, more than ever, kids do need to see teachers who do have honesty and integrity and understanding — all of us are flawed, of course. But as I say to my kids, when you mess up, fess up.</p>
<p>So we&#8217;ve been talking with Dr. Christian Miller. The book is <em>The Honesty Crisis</em>. It&#8217;s one I&#8217;m looking forward to, and I think that we all should be discussing. As I always say, we don&#8217;t play king of the hill, we make a bigger hill. There&#8217;s a lot of room for conversation, and these are the things that we need to be talking about in our staff meetings, at the lunch table, as we move forward and work to make the world a better place. So thank you, Dr. Miller, for being part of that conversation.</p>
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<p>Claire O'Neill is an autistic teacher, researcher, and neurodiversity consultant from Cork, Ireland who has spent over 20 years teaching autistic students. She describes what an unsupportive classroom feels like from a child's desk, and gives busy teachers one honest place to start with UDL.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Wow, this is a sensitive topic. And remember that every person with autism has a different experience. But Claire O&#8217;Neill is a teacher and she&#8217;s telling her story of school. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Claire can see the roof of her old primary school from her classroom window. She remembers walking up to the school door with that gnawing, upset feeling in her stomach and the itchy, scratchy uniform that made her so uncomfortable. She says the room was either too hot or too cold. It was almost always too loud, and she says it was smelly. Claire got in trouble a lot.  Now, that she&#8217;s studied autism, she understands better why. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Claire has spent more than twenty years teaching autistic students and is a PhD researcher at University College Cork (Ireland) studying what school is actually like for autistic teachers.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Claire shares her story from an educational perspective. A full-circle moment of a PhD expert teacher reflecting upon the girl she used to be and advocating to help us all understand how to help children like her. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">My Mom was one of the most compassionate, intuitive teachers I&#8217;ve ever known. She always said when I had a student who learned differently and I would accommodate for the whole class, everyone in the classroom learned better. Claire says the same thing. She also talks about the importance of Universal Design for Learning (UDL). </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">She also encourages us to listen to our learners. Believe them when they tell you how they experience your room. And to act upon what they tell us. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Claire is an expert, but I&#8217;m not. While I&#8217;ve taught some precious students with autism and most of them thrived in my classroom (one early in my career, I wish I could go back and use strategies I know now.) I share this story with sensitivity and the knowledge that I don&#8217;t know what I don&#8217;t know but I know it is important to listen. And isn&#8217;t that what Claire tells us in the show? </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I hope this show makes us all more empathetic on this Wonderful Classroom Wednesday because not every child actually thinks our classroom is wonderful and we need to listen and learn to make it better.</p>



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<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Strengths-Based-Guide-Supporting-Autistic-Children/dp/1839972157?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The Strengths-Based Guide to Supporting Autistic Children: A Positive Psychology Approach to Parenting</em></a> by Claire O&#8217;Neill (Jessica Kingsley Publishers, 2023) — Claire&#8217;s solo-authored book, written for parents and teachers, on identifying and building on a child&#8217;s character strengths instead of managing a list of deficits.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Takes-All-Kinds-Minds-Neurodivergent/dp/1032796227?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>It Takes All Kinds of Minds: Fostering Neurodivergent Thriving at School</em></a> edited by Rachael Davis, Claire O&#8217;Neill, and Sue Fletcher-Watson (Speechmark / Routledge) — the book Claire mentions on the show, a fifteen-chapter collection on environments, pedagogy, and relationships in and around school. You can also see the full table of contents on the <a href="https://www.routledge.com/It-Takes-All-Kinds-of-Minds-Fostering-Neurodivergent-Thriving-at-School/Davis-ONeill-Fletcher-Watson/p/book/9781032796222">publisher&#8217;s page</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.cast.org/">CAST</a> — the nonprofit Claire sends teachers to first. This is the organization that created Universal Design for Learning, and it is where the free explainer videos, podcasts, and text overviews she describes actually live.</li>



<li><a href="https://udlguidelines.cast.org/">The UDL Guidelines (version 3.0)</a> — the official framework behind the three principles Claire names. CAST released version 3.0 in July 2024, and it is organized around Engagement, Representation, and Action &amp; Expression. Free, and the fastest way to see what &#8220;offer more choice&#8221; actually looks like in practice.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.maynoothuniversity.ie/people/margaret-flood">Dr. Margaret &#8220;Mags&#8221; Flood</a>, Assistant Professor in Inclusive Education at Maynooth University — she wrote the Universal Design for Learning chapter in <em>It Takes All Kinds of Minds</em>. Claire recommends her podcast, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/talking-about-all-things-inclusion/id1616422471">Talking About All Things Inclusion</a>, and her site <a href="https://margaretfloodudl.com/">Equity In Mind</a>, home of #UDLchatIE.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/neurodiverseclass/">Professor Sue Fletcher-Watson</a> — Claire&#8217;s co-editor, Professor of Developmental Psychology at the University of Edinburgh, and the co-editor I mention at the top of the show. She was my guest on <em>The Beautiful Nuance of Neurodiverse Classrooms</em>.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.ucc.ie/en/education/">University College Cork School of Education</a> — where Claire is a PhD researcher.</li>



<li><a href="https://doi.org/10.3390/educsci13070670">&#8220;I Saw Things through a Different Lens…&#8221;: An Interpretative Phenomenological Study of the Experiences of Autistic Teachers in the Irish Education System</a> — Claire&#8217;s own published research with Neil Kenny, in <em>Education Sciences</em>, 2023. Open access and free to read. If you want to know what the teachers in your building who are neurodivergent are carrying, start here.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.thrivingautistic.org/">Thriving Autistic</a> — the neurodivergent-led Irish organization where Claire serves as Head of Training.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I had not heard of this term before so I wanted to highlight it in the show notes.</p>



<p class="cct-research wp-block-paragraph">Claire mentions the <strong>double empathy problem</strong> while describing being in trouble at school without knowing why. The term comes from autistic researcher Damian Milton, who argued that when an autistic person and a non-autistic person fail to understand each other, the breakdown runs in <em>both</em> directions. It is a mismatch between two different ways of experiencing the world, not a deficit sitting inside the autistic person. That reframe is the whole reason &#8220;listen and believe&#8221; is a strategy and not just a kindness. Milton, D. (2012). <em>On the ontological status of autism: the &#8216;double empathy problem.&#8217;</em> Disability &amp; Society, 27(6), 883–887. <a href="https://kar.kent.ac.uk/62639/">Read the full paper free</a>.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Claire is an experienced teacher who has worked across primary and secondary education settings in the Republic of Ireland. As a dedicated teacher-educator, her work focuses inclusion, neurodiversity and wellbeing. Claire is a significant contributor to education literature and research, having worked as author and editor on several publications related to equality and inclusion. As a neurodivergent individual, her professional commitment is deeply informed by lived experience, driving her to explore participatory, creative and innovative methods in her teaching and research.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Claire&#8217;s books:</strong> <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Strengths-Based-Guide-Supporting-Autistic-Children/dp/1839972157?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The Strengths-Based Guide to Supporting Autistic Children</em></a> (author) and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Takes-All-Kinds-Minds-Neurodivergent/dp/1032796227?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>It Takes All Kinds of Minds: Fostering Neurodivergent Thriving at School</em></a> (co-editor).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect with Claire:</strong> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/claruineill/">LinkedIn</a> · <a href="https://www.thrivingautistic.org/">Thriving Autistic</a></p>



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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/neurodiverseclass/">The Beautiful Nuance of Neurodiverse Classrooms</a> with Professor Sue Fletcher-Watson and Vanessa Castañeda Gill — the closest companion to this episode, and it features Claire&#8217;s own co-editor on <em>It Takes All Kinds of Minds</em>. Sue explains the double empathy problem and monotropism, and makes the case for quiet space as a real support rather than a favor.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e972/">What Happens to Your Student&#8217;s IEP After High School?</a> with Dr. Toby Tomlinson Baker — what accommodations look like once a student walks out of K-12, and what we should be teaching them about asking for what they need before they get there.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e918/">Can AI Replace Teachers? Dr. Catlin Tucker on Smarter Lesson Design and UDL</a> — Catlin on building real student choice into a lesson, and where AI genuinely helps you plan a UDL-aligned lesson without adding hours.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e229/">Throw Out Learning Styles and Replace it with UDL</a> with Kathleen McClaskey — an older episode and still one of the clearest explanations of why learning styles do not hold up and what to use instead.</li>
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<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:00):</strong> Today, for Wonderful Classroom Wednesday, we&#8217;re going to look through the eyes of a person who is autistic. She&#8217;s now a teacher, but she tells us this story from when she was a child.</p>
<p><strong>Announcer (00:14):</strong> This is the 10-Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:18):</strong> Today, we&#8217;re talking with Claire O&#8217;Neill. She&#8217;s a teacher, researcher, and neurodiversity consultant from Cork, Ireland. She&#8217;s the author of <em>The Strengths-Based Guide to Supporting Autistic Children</em>, a PhD researcher at University College Cork. She is a co-editor of <em>It Takes All Kinds of Minds: Fostering Neurodivergent Thriving at School</em>. I&#8217;ve also had one of her co-editors, Sue Fletcher-Watson, on this show as well.</p>
<p>Claire, there&#8217;s so many things that we can talk about. But you&#8217;ve spent 20 years teaching autistic students and you&#8217;re autistic yourself. How does that dual perspective as both teacher and someone who experiences the world differently shape how you think about helping neurodivergent students thrive in school?</p>
<p><strong>Claire O&#8217;Neill (01:13):</strong> What a question to start with. I think my autistic way of being in the world just informs every part of my teaching. Before I was ever an autistic teacher, I was an autistic learner myself. And my school experiences, by and large, weren&#8217;t very positive.</p>
<p>I went into teaching with a fire in my belly. I knew things had to be very different for autistic people to thrive and flourish in school environments, and had a fair idea of what was needed in terms of change and what was needed in terms of support. And I hope in my years of teaching that I have helped autistic learners learn, thrive and flourish in school.</p>
<p>Specifically, looking back at my own school experiences, adapting the environment and making sure that the environment is as supportive and as sensory friendly as possible is really important. And a very, very close second, even if it is a second, is the relational environment.</p>
<p>How do we create a sense of belonging, a sense of everybody here matters? We believe when you tell us that the lights are too bright, that the overhead projector is too loud, and that we believe your experiences of school. And not only do we believe them, but we actively work hard at changing the environment, adapting the environment to make it a place where neurodivergent learners can learn and learn optimally.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (02:37):</strong> So Claire, take us back in time and describe that environment you said wasn&#8217;t as supportive. Describe a day and what it felt like for you in an unsupportive environment, just so that we can get that empathy and feel what it felt like for you.</p>
<p><strong>Claire O&#8217;Neill (02:55):</strong> I live very near to my primary school. And if I look out my window here, I can actually see the rooftop of it.</p>
<p>I can still remember the walk up to school and just that nagging, gnawing feeling in my stomach that I was going in somewhere it just wasn&#8217;t going to be pleasant. And that feeling started the minute I put on my itchy, scratchy school uniform. And in my school where I went, we spoke a lot of Irish, so it was a bilingual school. And that was fine. But I didn&#8217;t really like talking a lot. I just tried to stay under the radar. I didn&#8217;t find having that bilingualism in school difficult. It was only when I was called on to answer questions.</p>
<p>Definitely had subjects that I preferred to others, and in subjects that I really, really liked I can remember having no sense of time. But in subjects that I did find not as interesting, I can just remember looking out the window an awful lot and getting into a lot of trouble for that. A lot of trouble for all that doodling, fiddling, looking out the window.</p>
<p>It was probably helping me concentrate. It wasn&#8217;t impeding my learning. I don&#8217;t think it was impeding anyone else&#8217;s learning, but I would have got into a significant amount of trouble for that.</p>
<p>I can remember school always being way too hot or way too cold, and always too loud, too smelly, and getting into trouble for things, not really knowing why I was in trouble. And that was nearly more anxiety inducing when somebody said, why are you in trouble? And you&#8217;re like, I don&#8217;t know. So just that kind of double empathy problem, just being very present.</p>
<p>I can remember walking the perimeter of the schoolyard at break time, just wishing I could just kind of sink into the walls and not really getting a lot of the games, the rules, and the hidden curriculum of the schoolyard.</p>
<p>That was primary school. Secondary school then, definitely a lot of masking, trying to fit in socially, found it difficult changing from teacher to teacher with different approaches. Certainly in my post-primary school, a certain type of learner was valued. I&#8217;m probably going to be a bit facetious here, but to my teenage self, it was somebody who could sit down very quietly, learn off notes that were given by the teacher, and be able to regurgitate notes. And if you&#8217;re that type of learner and you excelled, and if you weren&#8217;t, there wasn&#8217;t really a place for you in my post-primary school.</p>
<p>Thankfully, university was where I did start to thrive and flourish. My love for learning kind of really reignited it. And my husband jokes and calls me the Pokémon of universities because I have to catch them all. I think I developed a lifelong love of learning.</p>
<p>But it was things like when I got to university, I had agency as a learner. I started with an arts degree, so there wasn&#8217;t a lot of contact hours. So I was able to regulate a lot during the day. I was able to self-direct my own learning. There was more choice and assessments. All of these things that can be easily applied to primary and post-primary education, just with a bit of reframing. So that&#8217;s kind of a bit of a trip down memory lane.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (06:00):</strong> So if little Claire walked into your room today, how would you teach her to be the kind of teacher she needed?</p>
<p><strong>Claire O&#8217;Neill (06:10):</strong> It will be a teacher that shows an interest. I teach her it&#8217;s really important to show an interest in somebody as a person, not the learner you want them to be or you think they should be. Certainly wouldn&#8217;t be using tactics like shaming or comparison. Comparison is the thief of joy, and I believe there was a high element of shame in my primary school teaching, which just shouldn&#8217;t have been there.</p>
<p>If I was teaching young Claire to be future Claire the teacher, I would be really, really encouraging her to be interested in people, be curious about people, and see what it is that&#8217;s there to connect with people. I think that&#8217;s a good advice for life anyway. But when it comes to that really special relationship between teacher and learner, I think seeing the person first is really, really important.</p>
<p>And finding ways to connect, finding ways to get in to their interests, what they like to learn, what topics they like to learn about, and use that as foundation for that really important relationship.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (07:13):</strong> So my mom was a great teacher, and she always said, when you have a student who learns differently and you accommodate, it improves the classroom for everybody. She was a teacher in the 90s, 80s, 70s, before all this was out. The concept is the same. When you differentiate instruction, it improves it for every learner. It&#8217;s not that you&#8217;re just, quote, delivering this to one student.</p>
<p>Where are some places that they can start? Because it can be overwhelming and teachers are so busy.</p>
<p><strong>Claire O&#8217;Neill (07:41):</strong> In our book, Universal Design for Learning — there&#8217;s one specific chapter dedicated to Universal Design for Learning, written by Mags Flood from Maynooth University.</p>
<p>For UDL, I think the first place to start would be the CAST website. So that&#8217;s like CAST away, C-A-S-T. And I really feel like that&#8217;s a website that talks the UDL talk, but also walks the UDL walk. Want a quick podcast, a quick video or a quick text overview of what UDL is, you will get it at the CAST website.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (08:15):</strong> Claire, do you have any last encouragement for those that need a little bit of a pep talk about reaching their neurodivergent students?</p>
<p><strong>Claire O&#8217;Neill (08:24):</strong> The more you make the effort as a teacher to connect with your students, the better it&#8217;s going to be for everyone. And really, it is as simple as listening to your learners, believing them. And then when they tell you something about how they learn or what they&#8217;re interested in learning, that you act upon that.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s not an easy task in busy classrooms, but that&#8217;d be such a big step to making classrooms more accommodating for neurodivergent learners. Care and kindness, that pedagogy of care is just so important for all learners. But if that care was really extended to neurodivergent learners by listening to them, our classrooms would absolutely transform for neurodivergent learners.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (09:10):</strong> That&#8217;s wonderful. And it takes time. You have to build those relationships so that they know that you hear them. I mean, it took a while to get my student to where she would tell me, where she would ask for the seating she needed. It took time to build trust, because when they open up to you, if you don&#8217;t act, it&#8217;s probably the last time they&#8217;re going to tell you anything.</p>
<p>So you really have to, I think with all students, hear what they&#8217;re saying and read their body language and understand where they&#8217;re coming from. And that&#8217;s just the beauty of teaching.</p>
<p>So Claire, this has just been delightful. We&#8217;ve been talking to Claire O&#8217;Neill, teacher, researcher, and neurodiversity consultant from Cork, Ireland, who has spent over 20 years teaching autistic students. And the book that she is co-editor of is <em>It Takes All Kinds of Minds: Fostering Neurodivergent Thriving at School</em>. Claire, thanks for coming on the show.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e976/" title="AI Agents Explained: What Teachers Need to Know" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="576" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/976-zach-kinzler-copy-1024x576.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/976-zach-kinzler-copy-1024x576.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/976-zach-kinzler-copy-300x169.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/976-zach-kinzler-copy-768x432.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/976-zach-kinzler-copy-1170x658.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/976-zach-kinzler-copy-585x329.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/976-zach-kinzler-copy.png 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>Zach Kinzler tells his story of ChatGPT coming how when he was a junior in college. It is worth listening to as he worked out what it meant to learn with AI.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I find this conversation interesting because it tells a story from when ChatGPT was released about how a college student responded to it. Zach Kinzler was a junior in college. He was sitting in the front row of a systems engineering class when a friend punched him in the arm and said, &#8220;Look at this.&#8221; The student had just used ChatGPT to solve the problem on the board. And Zach&#8217;s journey began as he not only used ChatGPT to help him in his work but also talked openly with his professors about it. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He did write his papers with ChatGPT. (OK, now I&#8217;m not for this, but this is Zach&#8217;s story, and it is worth a listen.) Understandably, professors got upset. But when they did, Zach asked them to quiz him on what he wrote and what he had learned. He felt like he was learning faster.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Zach leads academic sales strategies at Boodlebox and hosts the Smarter Campus Podcast. We discuss the difference between using AI to learn and using AI to skip learning. He also discusses AI agents and how they work. But here&#8217;s a point I want us all to understand &#8211; Zach has struggled with reading his whole life.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As I told a commenter today, not all uses of AI are good. However, not all are bad. I believe AI should improve human flourishing and never detract from it. Yes, AI is a flashpoint issue. People who are angry and hate it really hate it. And some who are fans really love it. I find myself somewhere in the middle. Just like in Web 2 days, actually, when I knew that social media could do good but also had the potential to do great harm. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And I don&#8217;t like to call AI a brain, but I also know that there is (and should be) room for different opinions and the voices should be heard. I&#8217;ve aired interviews of pundits and pro-AI advocates. But we need to listen, because often the way forward is in the conversation that helps us see what the future can look like. All the AI haters in the world, I don&#8217;t think, can make it go away. Nor can all the AI advocates every convince me that AI should be student-facing for many of our younger students. I am interested to see what you think after you listen to this show.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I do want to note that, as I cared for my Dad last year, I fell behind on airing some of my shows. This interview was recorded in 2025, but we&#8217;ve worked to preserve the story and relevant arguments. That delay was all mine, so if you hear anything dated, just know that&#8217;s on me. As always, thank you for listening to the show! </p>



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<li><a href="https://boodlebox.ai/">BoodleBox</a> — the company Zach works for. Kinzler and the company describe it this way: a collaborative AI workspace that puts multiple AI models in one place so a team, a class, or an institution can work in a shared space rather than in separate private chat windows. It offers a free tier and paid institutional plans. They didn&#8217;t sponsor this episode and all opinions are his own.</li>



<li><a href="https://smartercampus.bepodcast.network/">The Smarter Campus Podcast</a> — Zach&#8217;s own weekly show, where he interviews students, professors, and administrators around the world about what is actually working with AI on campus. Vicki has been a guest on it.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachkinzler/">Zach Kinzler on LinkedIn</a> — where he posts short explainers and clips, and the place he named on the show as the best way to reach him.</li>



<li><a href="https://chatgpt.com/">ChatGPT</a> — the OpenAI tool Zach got on the waitlist for as a college junior, and the one he was using when he told his teachers about it. Free and paid tiers.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.perplexity.ai/">Perplexity</a> — the AI answer engine Vicki mentions offloading research to so she can spend her own time writing instead of reading for hours.</li>



<li><a href="https://notebooklm.google/">NotebookLM (now branded Gemini Notebook)</a> — Google&#8217;s research and study tool. You load in your own sources, such as the PDFs Vicki gives her students, and it works only from those documents. This is the tool Vicki calls &#8220;fantastic for studying.&#8221;</li>
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<p class="has-pale-ocean-gradient-background has-background wp-block-paragraph"><em>A note on the first item: Zach Kinzler works for BoodleBox, and this is an editorial interview, not a sponsored one. The description above comes from the company&#8217;s own materials and from what Zach said on the show. I have not independently tested or verified BoodleBox&#8217;s security, privacy, or compliance claims, and nothing here should be read as an endorsement. Evaluate it the way you would evaluate any vendor describing its own product.</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The most useful thing in this whole episode is not a tool at all. We know that tools like Google Notebook LM can do this, but this is something worth testing when you&#8217;re learning.</p>



<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">Make the AI ask <em>you</em> the questions. Zach&#8217;s habit is the reverse of what most students do. Instead of &#8220;write this for me,&#8221; he types &#8220;ask me questions about this and I&#8217;ll answer them.&#8221; Then, when something still isn&#8217;t landing, he climbs a ladder: explain this to me like I&#8217;m five, then like I&#8217;m 10, then like I&#8217;m 15. Give your students both moves at the start of one class period, in any subject, with whatever tool your school already allows. Neither one produces a single sentence a student could turn in as their own work, which is exactly why they are worth teaching first.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Zach Kinzler is an education and AI enthusiast with a unique blend of industry and academic experience. His career has focused on empowering students and educators through innovative technology, including his current role leading academic sales strategies at BoodleBox.ai, where he helps higher education institutions prepare students for an AI-powered future. He holds a BS in industrial engineering and a master&#8217;s degree in business analytics from the University of San Diego (CA).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect with Zach:</strong> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachkinzler/">LinkedIn</a> · <a href="https://smartercampus.bepodcast.network/">The Smarter Campus Podcast</a></p>



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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e957">AI in the Classroom: Assignments Students Can&#8217;t Fake</a> with Nancy Frey — the closest companion to this episode. Zach describes what honest AI use looks like from the student&#8217;s side; Nancy takes the same problem from the assignment-design side and her expertise in learning science. Another one to listen to as well.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e934">Brain First, AI Second: Teaching Writing in the AI Era</a> with Philip Seyfried of Teachers College, Columbia shares information on MIT Media Lab research, why AI detectors fail, and building classroom trust around AI. It is the research backbone under Zach&#8217;s &#8220;want to learn&#8221; argument.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/vibecoding">Vibe Coding, Agentic AI, and What Schools Must Teach Now</a> — the full-hour Cool Cat Teacher Talk show on agents, if Zach&#8217;s ninety-second explanation left you wanting more.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/honestai">Honest Conversations About AI: The Need for Truth</a> — a full hour on honesty, integrity, and transparency with AI, which is the thread running underneath everything Zach says here.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If this one gave you something you can use tomorrow, share it with the teacher down the hall who is still deciding what to do about AI — and leave a review wherever you&#8217;re listening. It genuinely helps other teachers find the show.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. – Vicki</em></p>



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<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:00):</strong> Happy Tech Tool Tuesday. This story from when ChatGPT came out lets us examine the question, can AI be used to learn and not just to cheat?</p>
<p><strong>Announcer (00:10):</strong> This is the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:15):</strong> Today, I&#8217;m so excited to be with Zach Kinzler from BoodleBox. A lot of research is coming out about the need for transparency with teachers. We need to help our students know how to use AI in the right ways, how to hold them accountable when people just have AI write for them and turn it in as their own work. That&#8217;s not only dishonest, but it defeats the whole education process.</p>
<p>Zach works with BoodleBox, and I really like it for some different reasons in that you can use all the different AI models. And we&#8217;re going to dig into it a little bit. But Zach, first, talk a little bit about what you do. And because you&#8217;re a young person involved in an AI startup, BoodleBox, and you&#8217;re working with higher education institutions. And now a lot of us, well, what&#8217;s your job like every day?</p>
<p><strong>Zach Kinzler (01:05):</strong> Thanks for having me. First off, it&#8217;s a very fun day today. What I get to do is I get to talk to educators from all over the world. I work with students in Africa, the US, Australia. And pretty much what I do is just figure out what&#8217;s working, what&#8217;s not working, show them BoodleBox, do some general AI education, right? Prompt engineering, safety. I have my own podcast, which I&#8217;ve had you on one time, which is awesome.</p>
<p>And really what I get to do is just work with people and actually help them use the tool. My job&#8217;s kind of transitioned from introducing it to implementing it. So I get to go into education systems and kind of say, hey, here&#8217;s an example of how you can take what you had before and make it better with AI in a safe, kind of ethical manner.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (01:48):</strong> So tell everybody the name of your show.</p>
<p><strong>Zach Kinzler (01:48):</strong> It&#8217;s called the Smarter Campus Podcast. So I have teachers on from all over the world. Lots of kind of interesting conversations of just learning about how people are actually doing it the right way, which is super, super cool to see. And I learn a lot from every single one that I do, which is fun.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (02:03):</strong> One more question. How did you decide to go to the AI direction? Because, you know, there are a lot of people your age in their 20s actually hate AI. When you talk to them, they don&#8217;t like AI and they&#8217;re scared of AI. What led you to embrace AI? How&#8217;d you come across it, and why are you jumping in?</p>
<p><strong>Zach Kinzler (02:19):</strong> I was a junior in college when ChatGPT came out. And one of my friends was very like Discord, Reddit, always super interested in like how technology is changing and stuff. And we both got on the wait list of ChatGPT because I was like, I don&#8217;t even know what this is. This kid just thinks this is going to be really cool.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll never forget, we were like sitting in the front row of a systems engineering class and my friend like punched me. Look at this. And ChatGPT did the problem on the board. And I just like — both of us got so infatuated with it, where I did every single thing with ChatGPT when it came out. And it was really bad then. Luckily, I had a teacher that was super interested in it, an engineering professor, that kind of helped us.</p>
<p>And then what we ended up doing was just go tell my teachers that I like wrote my paper with AI, and then they would get upset about it. But then I&#8217;d be like, I guarantee you if you ask me questions about this versus everyone else in the class, I probably know a lot more about it.</p>
<p>Like ignited the passion. Wow, no one has any idea what&#8217;s going on and this is going to be a big mess, right? I just started interviewing college students and teachers, really anyone that would talk to me, so that when a teacher would be like, this stuff&#8217;s bad, I would like show them interviews of other people, which is really cool.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t have thought it was super cool. I&#8217;ve always been a very ideas person, where I have lots of business ideas and I have lots of things that I like to do. But I would hinder myself a lot of the time because I couldn&#8217;t do the technical part. Like I couldn&#8217;t finish the idea that I had. And that&#8217;s why I love this thing so much, is that I can do anything and anyone can do anything.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (03:43):</strong> You feel like you were very transparent with your professors. How did you use ChatGPT or any AI tool and not cheat yourself out of the education? What&#8217;s the difference between how you used it when it started and how people are using it now?</p>
<p>I had a kid I was talking to anonymously. He&#8217;s like, I can&#8217;t even write a paragraph anymore. I&#8217;m like, okay. And I was talking to him about what he&#8217;d written about and he couldn&#8217;t even recall anything he&#8217;d written about. There&#8217;s obviously a difference between what you did and what this student did.</p>
<p><strong>Zach Kinzler (04:10):</strong> Really, I made a video about it this morning. It&#8217;s like just the want to learn. If you don&#8217;t care about something and you don&#8217;t want to grow from that, you&#8217;re not gonna be able to write a paragraph. I think it&#8217;s more of a reflection of self than people talk about.</p>
<p>AI is really just a second thinking brain, if that makes sense. Like the thing that I do a lot more that I don&#8217;t think people do is I get it to ask me questions. What don&#8217;t you understand about this? Ask me questions and I&#8217;ll help you with this. And then it&#8217;s like the other, explain this to me like I&#8217;m a five-year-old. I probably use that more than just about anything else on AI.</p>
<p>And just to explain something super simply, and then it&#8217;s like, okay, explain this to me like I&#8217;m 10. Explain this to me like I&#8217;m 15.</p>
<p>I struggle with reading. I always have struggled with reading. I&#8217;ve been a terrible reader and writer my whole life, but now I really like writing, reading and creative stuff, when I didn&#8217;t like that, because a lot of the things that would hinder me or just the actual doing of it. But you know what a good paragraph sounds like. And if you read, you can&#8217;t not read what you do. And that&#8217;s the other thing that people do shockingly so often. They just make things and then get rid of it.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (05:09):</strong> This is a great example for those who are dyslexic or dysgraphic, like a lot of students I work with, to understand that if you use this as a learning support, you&#8217;re still learning. We&#8217;re the only place you can learn is in your brain, right?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re truly supporting learning and you&#8217;re holding yourself accountable that I&#8217;m going to learn this, I&#8217;m going to use it to help me where I&#8217;m weak. I&#8217;m actually a very good writer. I love writing. I love reading. So for me, writing is a different experience with AI, because I love researching, but I can research for hours. Offloading the tools like Perplexity and some of these other tools, the research piece frees me up to write.</p>
<p>You and I are both using it in different ways, but we&#8217;re using it to support places that help our unique needs as a human being.</p>
<p><strong>Zach Kinzler (05:58):</strong> I think that&#8217;s it. That&#8217;s what it&#8217;s all about. Taking what you&#8217;re good at and freeing up time, using what you&#8217;re good at to use the things to effectively do what you&#8217;re not good at.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (06:07):</strong> Well, this conversation makes me so happy, Zach, for my kids, my students. I call them kids. They&#8217;re adults now. To hear this conversation about the effective use of AI I think is as important as the BoodleBox face.</p>
<p><em>[Editor&#8217;s note: the word after &#8220;BoodleBox&#8221; is unresolved. All three transcription passes render it as &#8220;face,&#8221; which does not make sense here. It is left exactly as transcribed rather than replaced with a plausible guess, and will be corrected from the audio.]</em></p>
<p>Agents are — so my personal learning objective for this summer 2025, as we&#8217;re recording this, is I made this my summer of agents. So I&#8217;ve been digging into just creating agents, using agents, understanding agents. Could you give a simple explanation of what an agent is and why it&#8217;s so important?</p>
<p><strong>Zach Kinzler (06:39):</strong> That&#8217;s high level BoodleBox. So an agent is super important for people to understand, because the difference between a bot and an agent is a bot, you have to prompt it, right? So you have to tell it, hey, complete this task. But an agent, you can set up where, hey, every time I get an email, you&#8217;re going to read it, you&#8217;re going to give me a draft, and then you&#8217;re going to put it in an Excel sheet so I can see the emails that were sent today. So as you can see, there was only one instructions and lots of tasks were accomplished afterwards.</p>
<p>And agents are a very interesting concept. I totally recommend everyone going to read into it further on, because there&#8217;s lots of misconceptions that agentic AI is here right now, but a lot of it and the real value of it is just stringing together large language models. Very interested in it as well right now.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (07:22):</strong> Specifically strange tasks. So thank you, Zach, for helping me create the first assignment for my AP kids. And you know what, kids, you&#8217;re probably — students, you&#8217;re probably going to end up creating some of your own bots.</p>
<p>I love that. I started giving all my kids a lot of PDFs, because not only are we using tools like this, but honestly, Google NotebookLM, fantastic tool for studying. So I want to give my kids the content they need to effectively train.</p>
<p>So thanks for coming on, Zach, for sharing this, for teaching my students, for sharing all those out there. And what&#8217;s the best way to get up with you if they want a demo of BoodleBox?</p>
<p><strong>Zach Kinzler (08:00):</strong> Totally reach out. I&#8217;ll send my LinkedIn, email, all that stuff, and I&#8217;d love to connect and stay in touch.</p>
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<p>Dr. Jen Rafferty burned out as a middle school music teacher, rebuilt her life, and now helps educators get back to balance without leaving the classroom. Emotional intelligence, the brain science behind it, and the two-step move to try tonight.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When you&#8217;re busy, it can be impossible to see the smoke. The smoke of your own burnout. As a teacher, for so much of my career, I&#8217;ve been busy. There have been seasons when I described the feeling to my husband as &#8220;hyperventilation.&#8221; There were times I wore the lack of sleep as a badge of honor. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Today&#8217;s guest, Dr. Jen Rafferty, was a middle school music teacher for fifteen years. Then, when she reached what she thought was the top of her career (she published her first book, was presenting all over the country) &#8211; her marriage was falling apart, her back was debilitated with pain, and she had odd red splotches on her skin that seven doctors couldn&#8217;t explain. In the end, it was stress. Looking back, she realized it was burnout.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, in today&#8217;s Motivational Monday, we talk about what can help a teacher move out of burnout without having to quit or just try to make themselves into a different person. I find her arguments about emotional intelligence interesting, and they offer another view as we grapple with the realities and challenges of living a life of personal and professional balance and joy. Jen shares the brain science, tells her own story, and then gives us something we can do tonight. I&#8217;ve included links  in the show notes below.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If this is you and you&#8217;re really struggling, remember, get help from a professional mental health professional, doctor, or minister. But if you&#8217;re deaing with life management as all teachers do, I hope you&#8217;ll find this show encouraging.</p>



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<li><strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Empowered-Educator-Lessons-Teaching-Potential/dp/B0FZSF8CB4?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">The Empowered Educator: 10 Lessons to Prevent Burnout, Reclaim Your Joy, and Unlock Your Teaching Potential</a></strong> by Dr. Jen Rafferty — the book behind this conversation, published August 4, 2026 by Tarcher/Penguin Random House. It is where the &#8220;space between what happens and how you respond&#8221; idea gets worked out chapter by chapter. You can also <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/801234/the-empowered-educator-by-jen-rafferty-phd/">read a sample and see all three formats at Penguin Random House</a>.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://empowerededucator.com/">Empowered Educator</a></strong> — Jen&#8217;s organization, built on the idea that the well-being of a school depends on the well-being of its educators. There is a hub for teachers and a separate one for school leaders, so start with whichever chair you sit in.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTE_y6GSwqM">Generational Change Begins with Empowered Teachers</a></strong> — Jen&#8217;s TEDx talk, given at TEDxIthacaCollege. The shortest way to hear the whole argument in one sitting, and a good one to send a colleague who thinks this is soft stuff.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://takenoteswithjenrafferty.buzzsprout.com/">Unlock Your Teaching Potential</a></strong> — Jen&#8217;s own podcast. Short episodes, one idea each, still publishing weekly. If today&#8217;s show helped, this is where the next ten live.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The whole episode comes down to one small move you can make before you walk into school tomorrow, so here it is on its own.</p>



<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">Do the two steps Jen gives, in order, starting tonight. First, give yourself grace. Not as a slogan — as a sentence you actually say. &#8220;Of course I am feeling like this. Look at everything that is happening.&#8221; Jen&#8217;s point is that the exhaustion is your biology working correctly and asking for attention, and the trouble starts when you fight it. Then, second, go through the rest of your day 10% slower. Just 10%. Move 10% slower, talk 10% slower, answer that text 10% later. She says that small gap is what makes room between what happens to you and how you respond, and that is where all your choices live. Try it for the rest of today only. If you like it, try it again tomorrow.</p>



<h2 id="h-about-dr-jen-rafferty" class="wp-block-heading">About Dr. Jen Rafferty</h2>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dr. Jen Rafferty is an educator, author, TEDx speaker, and the founder of Empowered Educator, an organization focused on transforming school culture by placing educator well-being at the center of student and school success. She holds a PhD in educational psychology, degrees in music education and vocal performance, and certifications in emotional intelligence and neuro-identity evolution.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As a former middle school music teacher, Jen understands firsthand both the joy and the pressure of life in the classroom, and what happens when educators continually place themselves last. Her own journey from burnout to balance sparked a mission to help educators reconnect with their purpose, restore their energy, and lead with greater clarity, steadiness, and intention both inside and outside the classroom.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">She is the host of the podcast <a href="https://takenoteswithjenrafferty.buzzsprout.com/">Unlock Your Teaching Potential</a> and the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Empowered-Educator-Lessons-Teaching-Potential/dp/B0FZSF8CB4?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">The Empowered Educator</a>, available now through Penguin Random House. Her work has also been featured in Forbes, Authority Magazine, and Best Holistic Life Magazine.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Through Empowered Educator, she has partnered with school communities across the country to navigate the real, messy work of organizational change, helping leaders build the internal capacity their teams need to move forward, by creating the conditions where educators feel supported, steady, and ready to lead.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect with Jen:</strong> <a href="https://empowerededucator.com/">Empowered Educator</a> | <a href="https://www.jenrafferty.com/">JenRafferty.com</a> | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenrafferty/">LinkedIn</a> | <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jenrafferty_">Instagram (@jenrafferty_)</a> | <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@jenrafferty_">TikTok (@jenrafferty_)</a> | <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/empowerededucatorfacultyroom">The Empowered Educator Faculty Room on Facebook</a></p>



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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e895/">How to Stop Teacher Burnout Before It Stops You</a> with Dr. Patrice Buckner Jackson — the closest companion to this episode. Dr. PBJ on catching burnout early, naming what you are unwilling to lose, and why schools carry part of this and not just individual teachers.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e947/">Teacher Burnout: How to Reconnect and Feel Fulfilled</a> with Dr. Michelle Chanda Singh — on serving from fulfillment instead of sacrifice, plus a clarity audit you can run on your own week.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e944/">Habits of Hope to Help Educators</a> with Dr. Julia Garcia — hope as a practice you build rather than a feeling you wait for. This is the one I recorded shortly after my dad died, and it is honest about hard seasons.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If this episode helped you breathe a little easier, share it with the teacher down the hall who is running on empty right now.</p>



<h2 id="h-episode-transcript" class="wp-block-heading">Episode Transcript</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. – Vicki</em></p>



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<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:00):</strong> Happy Motivational Monday. I was killing it, but it was really killing me.</p>
<p><strong>Announcer (00:06):</strong> This is the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:12):</strong> Today, we&#8217;re talking with Dr. Jen Rafferty, founder of The Empowered Educator. She&#8217;s a former middle school music teacher of 15 years, and she burned out, rebuilt herself, and now she helps teachers protect their joy and their energy. Her book, The Empowered Educator, will come out August 2026.</p>
<p>Jen, we&#8217;re going to talk about emotional intelligence and why taking care of the adults is how we take care of the kids. Why do you think that this emotional intelligence can be such a struggle for so many of us?</p>
<p><strong>Dr. Jen Rafferty (00:51):</strong> It&#8217;s because none of us were ever explicitly taught how to do this. It&#8217;s a skill just like learning how to ride a bike or knowing how to properly put together the dishwasher. It&#8217;s a skill that we learn.</p>
<p>And unfortunately, so much time has passed and we&#8217;ve missed the memo. Brain science that we&#8217;re studying now of neuroplasticity, and the ability that we have to change our brain, hasn&#8217;t really been part of the conversation until the last 30 or so years. So emotional intelligence and your ability to be malleable in how you are is new. So these skills were known, let alone taught by our parents or their parents or their parents before them. And this is why it&#8217;s been such a big part of this conversation right now. And my message, of course, is to amplify those skills, particularly for teachers, since we spend so much time with our kids and we have such a big influence on how they grow up in this world.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (01:55):</strong> And for those of you listening who think, no, just another soft thing — you know, I&#8217;ve been working on my next book, and as I have a piece on emotional intelligence, but businesses that have emotionally intelligent leaders tend to be more profitable than those that don&#8217;t. So emotional intelligence is actually a very real world thing that we all need.</p>
<p>So how do you address that, Jen? It&#8217;s real. We need emotional intelligence. What does the neuroscience say?</p>
<p><strong>Dr. Jen Rafferty (02:24):</strong> It&#8217;s showing us that we have this beautiful ability to be flexible in how we show up, that we&#8217;re not fixed in our personalities, we&#8217;re not fixed in our choices and our beliefs, even in our values. The saying, I just am the way I am — that&#8217;s actually not true. The science shows us that you are who you think you are.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re able to adjust the way that you think, then everything starts to change for you. And who you were is no indication of who you can be.</p>
<p>So to put this in a real life example, if you&#8217;re someone who goes to work completely stressed out every day, this isn&#8217;t just change your thoughts and think happy things and everything will magically change for you. It&#8217;s leaning into your neurobiology, understanding that that stressful way you feel might not feel good, but to your system it feels normal. So it&#8217;s going to keep you that way because it&#8217;s trying to keep you safe, and normal equals safe.</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re trying to move into a place of feeling at ease and calm, or even excited about going to work, that requires you to look at your thoughts and know that your thoughts are options and not facts. And it also invites you to lean into listening to the signals that your body is sending you all the time and start paying attention and making different choices so that you can become someone different.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (03:44):</strong> Now you faced burnout. What&#8217;s your story?</p>
<p><strong>Dr. Jen Rafferty (03:47):</strong> So at the time, I don&#8217;t think I would have even admitted to feeling burnt out, because I was so in it that part of that burnout was part of my identity. You know, so many of us walk around with this badge of honor of how little sleep we get and how busy we are. And my struggle was part of who I thought I was.</p>
<p>And I was at what I consider to be the top of my career. I had published my first book about teaching music. I was giving presentations all over the country about the cognitive development of adolescent kids and how to create responsive classroom materials and curriculum for them. And I was killing it, but it was really killing me.</p>
<p>You know, my marriage was falling apart. I wasn&#8217;t sleeping well. I was a new mom, and I thought there was something wrong with me because I didn&#8217;t feel like I could handle it. So what did I do? I did what everyone does — numbed myself, ate a lot of chocolate. I zhuzhed my feelings down. And ultimately, the signals that were coming from my body kept getting louder and louder. I was constantly sick. My back was going out with debilitating pain. And I had developed these red splotches all over my skin that seven doctors could not tell me what was wrong with me. It turned out all of this was stress-related.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until recently, Vicki, that I looked back and I was like, oh, that was burnout. And I couldn&#8217;t even see it for what it was. My mission now with the work that I do in Empowered Educator and with my book is to give teachers a lifeline, even when they might not recognize it fully for themselves. They can maybe identify a symptom or something they&#8217;re going through that they can pull on to.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (05:30):</strong> So you do talk about burnout to balance. But you know, some are like, well, the only way I&#8217;m going to have balance is if I don&#8217;t teach. Is it possible to stay a teacher and move from burnout to balance? And if so, how?</p>
<p><strong>Dr. Jen Rafferty (05:42):</strong> That is such a good question. Yes. And the reason why I can say yes with such fervor is because I&#8217;ve seen it thousands of times with the educators that we work with.</p>
<p>Life is always going to be lifey. Whether you&#8217;re in the classroom or not, it&#8217;s always going to throw things at you, and there will always be challenges and stressors. While, yes, there are going to be some stressors in your life that you decide you&#8217;re not available for, and that might inform your decision to leave — and there are other ways to function in this life, to meet the moment as the person you want to be instead of a victim to your own circumstances.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what we really do here at Empowered Educator. And it really outlines in the book, you know, that moment between what&#8217;s happening externally and your reaction, there is a moment, there&#8217;s a space there, and that space is where all your agency is. And we forget, or we haven&#8217;t even been taught or told that we have that power, that we have that agency.</p>
<p>So when you get that angry email, or when you have that challenging student, identifying that space and knowing what choices you have in that space make all of the difference between a burnt-out teacher who is perpetually feeling overwhelmed and exhausted and frustrated, to an empowered teacher who knows their agency and knows I can meet this moment as the person I want to be instead of the person who I&#8217;ve always been.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (07:10):</strong> So Jen, you&#8217;re talking to somebody, they&#8217;re listening to you in the car and they know they&#8217;re right there. They&#8217;re burned out, they&#8217;re worn out. They don&#8217;t really want to go to school tomorrow. What&#8217;s one thing that they can do right now when they get out of the car and they slam the door that can help them move towards balance?</p>
<p><strong>Dr. Jen Rafferty (07:26):</strong> It&#8217;s a great question, because it&#8217;s a big leap to go from I&#8217;m sick of this and slamming the door and going inside your house, to I&#8217;m going to feel empowered, right? This isn&#8217;t a magic pill. This is not something that happens overnight. And so there needs to be baby steps. And I&#8217;m going to actually give two, because they go together.</p>
<p>The first one is give yourself grace. Give yourself grace. There is nothing wrong with you. The responses that your body is giving you, and that stress — it&#8217;s there for a reason. That&#8217;s your biology telling you, hey, pay attention to me. I need attention. And it&#8217;s actually working really well. The problem happens when we fight it. And so leaning in and give yourself grace. Of course I&#8217;m feeling like this. Look at all of these things that are happening. Of course I&#8217;m feeling like this.</p>
<p>And when you give yourself grace, then there&#8217;s one thing that you can do that I know changed my life: is give yourself permission to move and speak and go through your day 10% slower. Just 10%. When you give yourself permission for that 10% less busyness and rushing and hustling, you start to notice things that you hadn&#8217;t noticed before. That&#8217;s so interesting. I feel like I immediately need to respond to this text messages. Wait, wait. No, I don&#8217;t. I&#8217;m going to go 10% slower, and I can take a moment.</p>
<p>And what that&#8217;s going to do, it&#8217;s going to make that space that I just talked about longer. Try it. And don&#8217;t try it forever. If you&#8217;re listening to this in the car, try it the rest of today and see what happens. And if you like it, try it again tomorrow. That&#8217;s going to change everything for you.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (08:58):</strong> Give all our teachers a little bit of a pep talk as they deal with the challenges of teaching.</p>
<p><strong>Dr. Jen Rafferty (09:03):</strong> I think sometimes, again, well-intended folks are giving the pep talks without validating how they feel right now. You know, I think it&#8217;s similar to when administrators say, well, just remember your why. You can&#8217;t be in a place of burnout and have all of these feelings of overwhelming frustration and, like, slamming the door when you get home of your car, and then, just remember your why back into your inspiration.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t work that way. Bridging that gap means validating your feelings, remembering that you have agency, and making choices that feel aligned with who you want to be, not who you currently are.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (09:42):</strong> So many things we could talk about here. We have been talking with Dr. Jen Rafferty for her book, The Empowered Educator, coming out August 2026. So, Jen, thanks for coming on the show.</p>
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