Comments for TankingTips.com http://www.tankingtips.com A guide to tanking as a warrior in world of warcraft Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:30:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 Comment on C02: The New 41 Point Talent Trees! by Dread http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-13012 Dread Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:30:38 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-13012 http://www.wowtal.com/#k=GqwI_GuX.9r8.warrior y/n? http://www.wowtal.com/#k=GqwI_GuX.9r8.warrior y/n?

]]> Comment on C02: The New 41 Point Talent Trees! by thebitterfig http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-13010 thebitterfig Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:27:21 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-13010 well, let's presume something like a 15% starting parry chance, and that bosses swing every 2 seconds. in a 10-second span, the chance that you won't parry any of the 5 attacks is about 45%. that won't translate exactly into 55% uptime, but it starts to give show the picture better. granted, i still really like hold the line, particularly since they've tweaked incite to only work with heroic strike crit, and give your HS crits a chance to make your next HS autocrit... well, let’s presume something like a 15% starting parry chance, and that bosses swing every 2 seconds. in a 10-second span, the chance that you won’t parry any of the 5 attacks is about 45%. that won’t translate exactly into 55% uptime, but it starts to give show the picture better.

granted, i still really like hold the line, particularly since they’ve tweaked incite to only work with heroic strike crit, and give your HS crits a chance to make your next HS autocrit…

]]> Comment on C02: The New 41 Point Talent Trees! by Zellviren http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-13009 Zellviren Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:55:17 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-13009 They've all changed again, Vene - this blog posting is becoming hard work. :o They’ve all changed again, Vene - this blog posting is becoming hard work. :o

]]> Comment on C02: The New 41 Point Talent Trees! by Kobeathris http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-13002 Kobeathris Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:22:40 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-13002 I suspect that will have to change some how. It either needs to be available the whole fight if it is not usable in defensive stance, or it needs to be usable in defensive stance if it is only going to be available for the last 20%. I would personally prefer it if they made it usable the whole fight, but not in Defensive Stance. In that case, it would just take the place of revenge in our rotation when we off tank. I suppose they would have to worry about warriors tanking in Battle stance then, but if threat and healer mana really are more of an issue, I doubt that is going to be viable. I suspect that will have to change some how.

It either needs to be available the whole fight if it is not usable in defensive stance, or it needs to be usable in defensive stance if it is only going to be available for the last 20%.

I would personally prefer it if they made it usable the whole fight, but not in Defensive Stance. In that case, it would just take the place of revenge in our rotation when we off tank. I suppose they would have to worry about warriors tanking in Battle stance then, but if threat and healer mana really are more of an issue, I doubt that is going to be viable.

]]> Comment on C02: The New 41 Point Talent Trees! by Bhig http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-13001 Bhig Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:51:17 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-13001 Someone mentioned this before... but... Impending Victory / Victory Rush... Victory Rush is still listed as a battle/zerker stance skill, which seems to place Impending Victory as a talent that is only useful for the phases of the fight when you aren't tanking a target. (Which is something I thought I read in a blue post too) So thinking along those lines, I'm not so sure if it has a place in a max threat spec. I'm working on the assumption that you're tanking the main target. Impending victory is of no use? Therefore take the two points and chuck them in War Academy (if you think you'll be HSing a bit) or perhaps Hold the Line (depending what our parry ends up looking like), or perhaps even something like Blood Craze to help out survival. Anyways. Guess I just wanted to get people opinion on Impending Vic / Vic Rush / Stance. Someone mentioned this before… but…
Impending Victory / Victory Rush…
Victory Rush is still listed as a battle/zerker stance skill, which seems to place Impending Victory as a talent that is only useful for the phases of the fight when you aren’t tanking a target. (Which is something I thought I read in a blue post too)
So thinking along those lines, I’m not so sure if it has a place in a max threat spec. I’m working on the assumption that you’re tanking the main target. Impending victory is of no use? Therefore take the two points and chuck them in War Academy (if you think you’ll be HSing a bit) or perhaps Hold the Line (depending what our parry ends up looking like), or perhaps even something like Blood Craze to help out survival.

Anyways. Guess I just wanted to get people opinion on Impending Vic / Vic Rush / Stance.

]]> Comment on C02: The New 41 Point Talent Trees! by Kallix http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-12999 Kallix Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:19:48 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-12999 Either I'm reading the Hold the Line talent wrong, or its a brilliant talent to have in any build. The way I'm reading it, everytime we parry, we gain 10% crit and 10% crit block chance for 10 seconds. Assuming we parried once per 10 seconds (which seems reasonable to me in raid content) thats a constant 10% crit and crit block chance. That 10% crit alone would be much better than the 15% crit on a rage dump and 2 AoE abilities that Incite gives, and then the 10% critical block chance on top of it is a solid mitigation bonus. Perhaps I've overestimated the amount we parry, but I couldn't imagine having a build that skipped it for talents like Incite and Battle Trance. Either I’m reading the Hold the Line talent wrong, or its a brilliant talent to have in any build. The way I’m reading it, everytime we parry, we gain 10% crit and 10% crit block chance for 10 seconds. Assuming we parried once per 10 seconds (which seems reasonable to me in raid content) thats a constant 10% crit and crit block chance. That 10% crit alone would be much better than the 15% crit on a rage dump and 2 AoE abilities that Incite gives, and then the 10% critical block chance on top of it is a solid mitigation bonus.

Perhaps I’ve overestimated the amount we parry, but I couldn’t imagine having a build that skipped it for talents like Incite and Battle Trance.

]]> Comment on C02: The New 41 Point Talent Trees! by Seph http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-12996 Seph Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:58:13 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-12996 FYI - Starcraft 2 is awesome (just sayin) :) FYI - Starcraft 2 is awesome (just sayin) :)

]]> Comment on C02: The New 41 Point Talent Trees! by thebitterfig http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-12995 thebitterfig Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:43:02 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-12995 I think Thunderstruck would feel more warrior-ish if it was shorter, like 4 seconds max, and maybe only two seconds. The only problem I had with warrior AoE threat was the fairly timing-sensitive. Add waves coming in, so don't hit TC too soon or else you won't be able to get threat on that straggler. Target switching works fine, but he might have gibbed the healer if you're a little too slow. Blood and Thunder, while awesome in the threat-numbers sense, doesn't help in the threat-timing sense. Thunderstruck does, and is greatly appreciated for it. However, I don't feel like I need to be a paladin or DK like tank, leaving really long ground-dots, and I'd be perfectly happy to just have like two/four ticks to beat healer aggro on the mobs which come in a half-second too late. To that end, I'm not 100% sure that 2/2 Thunderstruck will be needed. In AoE situations, you'll be Tclapping on cooldown, and you'll only really be getting something like 1 extra dot tick. On bosses, you'll get the full five extra, since you'll either be thunderclapping to refresh rend every 12-15 seconds, or you'll be TC only to refresh the slow ever 25-30 seconds. However, it remains to be seen how much threat it'll add, and it could be that the points would better be spent in other talents, like Incite and Hold the Line. To that end, I like Hold the Line. I guess we'll how the uptime shakes down, but think of it this way. If 30% of your damage in a boss fight comes from Heroic Strike and Thunderclap, and you can maintain 30% uptime on 2/2 HtL on a boss fight, it works out about the same threat-wise as 2/3 Incite, with Hold the Line providing a mitigation benefit. Those are just totally made-up numbers, but I think the general idea is pretty clear. We'll have to see how all the new rage mechanics play out, how much we use various abilities in tanking trash, tanking bosses, but myself, I'm leaning toward Hold the Line to start. I think Thunderstruck would feel more warrior-ish if it was shorter, like 4 seconds max, and maybe only two seconds. The only problem I had with warrior AoE threat was the fairly timing-sensitive. Add waves coming in, so don’t hit TC too soon or else you won’t be able to get threat on that straggler. Target switching works fine, but he might have gibbed the healer if you’re a little too slow. Blood and Thunder, while awesome in the threat-numbers sense, doesn’t help in the threat-timing sense. Thunderstruck does, and is greatly appreciated for it. However, I don’t feel like I need to be a paladin or DK like tank, leaving really long ground-dots, and I’d be perfectly happy to just have like two/four ticks to beat healer aggro on the mobs which come in a half-second too late.

To that end, I’m not 100% sure that 2/2 Thunderstruck will be needed. In AoE situations, you’ll be Tclapping on cooldown, and you’ll only really be getting something like 1 extra dot tick. On bosses, you’ll get the full five extra, since you’ll either be thunderclapping to refresh rend every 12-15 seconds, or you’ll be TC only to refresh the slow ever 25-30 seconds. However, it remains to be seen how much threat it’ll add, and it could be that the points would better be spent in other talents, like Incite and Hold the Line.

To that end, I like Hold the Line. I guess we’ll how the uptime shakes down, but think of it this way. If 30% of your damage in a boss fight comes from Heroic Strike and Thunderclap, and you can maintain 30% uptime on 2/2 HtL on a boss fight, it works out about the same threat-wise as 2/3 Incite, with Hold the Line providing a mitigation benefit. Those are just totally made-up numbers, but I think the general idea is pretty clear. We’ll have to see how all the new rage mechanics play out, how much we use various abilities in tanking trash, tanking bosses, but myself, I’m leaning toward Hold the Line to start.

]]> Comment on C02: The New 41 Point Talent Trees! by Kobeathris http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-12994 Kobeathris Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:33:49 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-12994 Well that makes me a sand panda... although with how healing is supposed to be changing, 2 at 50 might not be as much of a boon as it would be now anyway. Threadjack - LK 25 Finally down! Sorry, had to. Well that makes me a sand panda… although with how healing is supposed to be changing, 2 at 50 might not be as much of a boon as it would be now anyway.

Threadjack - LK 25 Finally down!
Sorry, had to.

]]> Comment on C02: The New 41 Point Talent Trees! by nazene http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-12992 nazene Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:55:37 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2010/07/26/c02-the-new-41-point-talent-trees/#comment-12992 I agree, in raids I just don't see the silence being that useful. Bosses are immune to it, we already have a ton of stuns to interrupt caster trash (on faction champs it was trivial for a prot warrior to shut down a healer without silence). If you really need a silence someone else can bring it and you can spend the points on more tps or defensive talents. 5mans will be a joke within a month of release anyway. I doubt I will be spending talents on it unless they go back to something similar to the current version of the talent. I agree, in raids I just don’t see the silence being that useful. Bosses are immune to it, we already have a ton of stuns to interrupt caster trash (on faction champs it was trivial for a prot warrior to shut down a healer without silence). If you really need a silence someone else can bring it and you can spend the points on more tps or defensive talents. 5mans will be a joke within a month of release anyway. I doubt I will be spending talents on it unless they go back to something similar to the current version of the talent.

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