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	<title>Comments for Ellopos Blog</title>
	
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		<title>Comment on Non-muslims in muslim countries by Les</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=962&amp;cpage=1#comment-16452</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. See also a &lt;a href="http://www.ellopos.com/study/default.asp?h=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi&amp;ttl=Dhimmi" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;wiki article&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. See also a <a href="http://www.ellopos.com/study/default.asp?h=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi&#038;ttl=Dhimmi" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">wiki article</a></p>

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		<title>Comment on Art collectors show great interest for Greek painters by Rita Sheehan</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=135&amp;cpage=2#comment-16451</link>
		<dc:creator>Rita Sheehan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a scanned image of an oil painting of The Pathenon.  I can not read the artists name. Is there someone I can send the picture to help with the name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a scanned image of an oil painting of The Pathenon.  I can not read the artists name. Is there someone I can send the picture to help with the name.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Economic growth needs Science, Technology, Will to Power, and Masses by Ellopos Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=1018&amp;cpage=1#comment-16450</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellopos Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm afraid things are going to get worse. We have to stand by those who keep their mind and support them, but the general situation is far from hopeful - according to criteria of our own past of course, because compared with islamic and other countries of different histories and cultures, Europe remains superior, as regards the respect of personal rights and personal independence, even in the greatest forms of our theology and philosophy. We owe to our decadent self even such revolutions as is the very medium that unites us here, i.e., the internet. We are stuck to mediocrity, refusing to let (whatever remains of) our love for virtue, to be elevated beyond this passing here and now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid things are going to get worse. We have to stand by those who keep their mind and support them, but the general situation is far from hopeful - according to criteria of our own past of course, because compared with islamic and other countries of different histories and cultures, Europe remains superior, as regards the respect of personal rights and personal independence, even in the greatest forms of our theology and philosophy. We owe to our decadent self even such revolutions as is the very medium that unites us here, i.e., the internet. We are stuck to mediocrity, refusing to let (whatever remains of) our love for virtue, to be elevated beyond this passing here and now.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Economic growth needs Science, Technology, Will to Power, and Masses by Sylvain</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=1018&amp;cpage=1#comment-16449</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the best thing to do now would be to refound the European Union altogether and put it on a very different foundations. But is this even possible, when the dominant discourse on everyone's lips is one of "multi-culturalism," "tolerance," and "individual prosperity"? Western Europe and Europeans have exhausted themselves. Having renounced their souls, conquered the world and all its resources and set the whole ablaze, they now are empty of all energy, seeing the consequences of their sins, and resulting in a "union" aspiring at changing the world (but in what way?) yet incapable of even having a common foreign policy, a union calling itself European yet not even able to recognize its own history, rejecting everything that does not ressemble the humanistic 'vision' of 'love and tolerance' that it seeks to impose. When will this madness stop? Will the European people (Western Europeans most particularly) eventually understand that such attitude is not only folly but suicide? I am sometimes wondering if countries like Greece, Russia, Serbia, Bulgaria, which seem generally to have a higher consciousness of their history and themselves, could be leading Europe in a better way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the best thing to do now would be to refound the European Union altogether and put it on a very different foundations. But is this even possible, when the dominant discourse on everyone&#8217;s lips is one of &#8220;multi-culturalism,&#8221; &#8220;tolerance,&#8221; and &#8220;individual prosperity&#8221;? Western Europe and Europeans have exhausted themselves. Having renounced their souls, conquered the world and all its resources and set the whole ablaze, they now are empty of all energy, seeing the consequences of their sins, and resulting in a &#8220;union&#8221; aspiring at changing the world (but in what way?) yet incapable of even having a common foreign policy, a union calling itself European yet not even able to recognize its own history, rejecting everything that does not ressemble the humanistic &#8216;vision&#8217; of &#8216;love and tolerance&#8217; that it seeks to impose. When will this madness stop? Will the European people (Western Europeans most particularly) eventually understand that such attitude is not only folly but suicide? I am sometimes wondering if countries like Greece, Russia, Serbia, Bulgaria, which seem generally to have a higher consciousness of their history and themselves, could be leading Europe in a better way&#8230;</p>

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		<title>Comment on Beware of Turkish friendship by Stavros</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=1008&amp;cpage=1#comment-16448</link>
		<dc:creator>Stavros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George,

Just wanted to clear up what I meant when I used the term "shared history." I was referring of course to participating in the same historical events.  I agree wholeheartedly that sharing history does not mean sharing an identity.  As you rightfully suggest, the Turkish and Greek cultures are not the same, even though occasionally they may intersect as in the case of musical traditions but they are fundamentally very different, one solidly European and the other not.

I'll try to chose my words more carefully in the future.  As always I appreciate your insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>Just wanted to clear up what I meant when I used the term &#8220;shared history.&#8221; I was referring of course to participating in the same historical events.  I agree wholeheartedly that sharing history does not mean sharing an identity.  As you rightfully suggest, the Turkish and Greek cultures are not the same, even though occasionally they may intersect as in the case of musical traditions but they are fundamentally very different, one solidly European and the other not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to chose my words more carefully in the future.  As always I appreciate your insights.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Art collectors show great interest for Greek painters by Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=135&amp;cpage=1#comment-16447</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there! I have Paintings of Dimitris Tiniakos; if you are interested please leave your email and I will get back to you.

Thanks a lot,

Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there! I have Paintings of Dimitris Tiniakos; if you are interested please leave your email and I will get back to you.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot,</p>
<p>Alex</p>

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		<title>Comment on Economic growth needs Science, Technology, Will to Power, and Masses by Ellopos Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=1018&amp;cpage=1#comment-16446</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellopos Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 06:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, in the present, global, econony, unions such as the European Union, can still keep this spirit of fighting, because the rival states are also unions of states or huge countries like China. This reminds us that behind the EU was not so much a desire for Europe to become One, but rather, or at least equally, the need of the small European countries to stand the competition of other great powers on the planet - which explains also why we seek the expansion of Europe even to non European countries, such as Turkey, at the cost of the European cultural identity. -- "At the cost", or rather &lt;i&gt;because of&lt;/i&gt; our cultural identity being exactly a blind will to power?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, in the present, global, econony, unions such as the European Union, can still keep this spirit of fighting, because the rival states are also unions of states or huge countries like China. This reminds us that behind the EU was not so much a desire for Europe to become One, but rather, or at least equally, the need of the small European countries to stand the competition of other great powers on the planet - which explains also why we seek the expansion of Europe even to non European countries, such as Turkey, at the cost of the European cultural identity. &#8212; &#8220;At the cost&#8221;, or rather <i>because of</i> our cultural identity being exactly a blind will to power?</p>

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		<title>Comment on Economic growth needs Science, Technology, Will to Power, and Masses by Sylvain</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=1018&amp;cpage=1#comment-16445</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is intersting to see how a post originally on the divergent paths taken by the Far Eastern empires and the Roman Empire has quickly turned into a discussion on the roots of Modern Europe and the modern world. You make a good point in emphasizing the role played by a society's desires in orienting its cultural creations toward specific goals. Culture indeed is more than the ultimate cause of the path taken by a civilization; it is what a society decides to do for itself and the means it gives itself to achieve this goal. I would just like to make a few comments regarding the particular issue of the state and its role in creating or not economic growth. 

To answer the question asked before, if economic growth depends on the form of government, the answer would be negative. If economic growth, or any other aspect of society, do not solely depend  on a particular form of government, such government can however help or, on the contrary, hinder certain things from happening. The capitalistic economy is in many respects the continuation of the earlier mercantilist policy supported by the Western European monarchies competing with each other for supremacy, yet unable to completely achieve it. The capitalist economy eventually outgrew the state and even outgrew economy itself to become an entity of its own, but the European states originally found in it a way to extend their national power at the exense of their rival neighbors, until the entire world became Europe's chessboard. 

It is in this respect that political division helped, but did not usher, in the creation of our current world order--acting as a fuel to mercantilist, and capitalistic growth and destruction. But in order for this to be possible, there had to be in the first place certain other conditions present, as you rightly pointed out, papal tyranny and the loss of faith not the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is intersting to see how a post originally on the divergent paths taken by the Far Eastern empires and the Roman Empire has quickly turned into a discussion on the roots of Modern Europe and the modern world. You make a good point in emphasizing the role played by a society&#8217;s desires in orienting its cultural creations toward specific goals. Culture indeed is more than the ultimate cause of the path taken by a civilization; it is what a society decides to do for itself and the means it gives itself to achieve this goal. I would just like to make a few comments regarding the particular issue of the state and its role in creating or not economic growth. </p>
<p>To answer the question asked before, if economic growth depends on the form of government, the answer would be negative. If economic growth, or any other aspect of society, do not solely depend  on a particular form of government, such government can however help or, on the contrary, hinder certain things from happening. The capitalistic economy is in many respects the continuation of the earlier mercantilist policy supported by the Western European monarchies competing with each other for supremacy, yet unable to completely achieve it. The capitalist economy eventually outgrew the state and even outgrew economy itself to become an entity of its own, but the European states originally found in it a way to extend their national power at the exense of their rival neighbors, until the entire world became Europe&#8217;s chessboard. </p>
<p>It is in this respect that political division helped, but did not usher, in the creation of our current world order&#8211;acting as a fuel to mercantilist, and capitalistic growth and destruction. But in order for this to be possible, there had to be in the first place certain other conditions present, as you rightly pointed out, papal tyranny and the loss of faith not the least.</p>

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		<title>Comment on The stolen sculptures and the English people by Les</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=941&amp;cpage=1#comment-16444</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel sure she would restrain her navy, although I'm sure she would be as hacked off at the "theft".
Speaking as a British (not English, please note) person I personally think the Marbles should be returned. I also think that this is probably a consensus of the British people, but, I'm not so sure about the trustees of the British Museum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sure she would restrain her navy, although I&#8217;m sure she would be as hacked off at the &#8220;theft&#8221;.<br />
Speaking as a British (not English, please note) person I personally think the Marbles should be returned. I also think that this is probably a consensus of the British people, but, I&#8217;m not so sure about the trustees of the British Museum.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Learning Greek without reason! by Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved the post which was both informative and pithy. I hasten to add that I am not a scholar of Greek (although I would love to learn ancient Greek) nor am I at all religious. The phrase"In any case, it is sad to meet with a person that chooses to ignore learning in order to save a little ego (and this wanting to be a Christian!) " is particularly telling.
Shalom
Les</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved the post which was both informative and pithy. I hasten to add that I am not a scholar of Greek (although I would love to learn ancient Greek) nor am I at all religious. The phrase&#8221;In any case, it is sad to meet with a person that chooses to ignore learning in order to save a little ego (and this wanting to be a Christian!) &#8221; is particularly telling.<br />
Shalom<br />
Les</p>

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