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		<title>Comment on Is the Cloud Going to Kill Conventional SaaS? by Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://diversity.net.nz/is-the-cloud-going-to-kill-conventional-saas/2009/11/11/comment-page-1/#comment-45306</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Issac - great response... thanks a bunch. Well reasoned and rational! well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Issac &#8211; great response&#8230; thanks a bunch. Well reasoned and rational! well done!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is the Cloud Going to Kill Conventional SaaS? by Isaac Garcia</title>
		<link>http://diversity.net.nz/is-the-cloud-going-to-kill-conventional-saas/2009/11/11/comment-page-1/#comment-45290</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree about not being too dogmatic.  At Central Desktop we run on our own private multi-tenant SaaS platform.  Essentially, our private cloud. 

Over the years, we've continued to evaluate Clouds as an option for delivering point services to our customers - but the economics havn't justified a switch. 

What is often overlooked by SaaS pundits is the fact that connecting to a Cloud very often reduces (sometimes eliminates) key features that a private SaaS vendor can provide.  For example, we looked hard at augmenting our file storage with cloud storage via Amazon (and a few other vendors) but decided against it for two main reasons:

1.  Vendor Economics.  Yes, economics.  The transactional access of files and data that our customers require as active collaborators was a very expensive alternative.  Remember, we are talking about Terabytes and Terabytes of data that we host for our clients.  Sure, Cloud storage/services are cost-effective for nascent startups trying to save money ( I get it...I really do), but onec you develop into a serious business with lots of paying customers and transactional needs, Cloud becomes more cost prohibitive than one might imagine. 

2.  Feature Reduction.  Moving hot data to the Cloud resulted in slower performance and a reduction of features such as the inability to easily provide full-text search for documents stored in an offsite Cloud.  The bar to provide certain features "in the cloud" was more expensive than it was for us to "do it ourselves."

I agree that we shouldn't be dogmatic, but the economics of cloud storage and delivery have been prohibitive to us and our customers for the reasons listed above. 

As a pseudo-cloud pundit myself, I'd also argue that the "open platform" Cloud services promises customers is still hedged with the "single point of failures" that we continue to see in Cloud vendors (virtually all of them have experienced extended outages with their vendors left wondering "what is going on?").  

At least when we go down.....we know why, we are in control of the situation and we can fix it ourselves......and we can tell our customers what is happening/going on.  Luckily, we don't go down very often at all:  http://status.centraldesktop.com

Will we someday surpass the ability to efficiently and cheaply deliver our SaaS's to our customers on our private stack?  Perhaps, but we've also found that our homegrown architecture enables lower cost of goods and is becoming more and more of a competitive advantage when we look at many of our competitors. 

Long live profitability!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree about not being too dogmatic.  At Central Desktop we run on our own private multi-tenant SaaS platform.  Essentially, our private cloud. </p>
<p>Over the years, we&#8217;ve continued to evaluate Clouds as an option for delivering point services to our customers &#8211; but the economics havn&#8217;t justified a switch. </p>
<p>What is often overlooked by SaaS pundits is the fact that connecting to a Cloud very often reduces (sometimes eliminates) key features that a private SaaS vendor can provide.  For example, we looked hard at augmenting our file storage with cloud storage via Amazon (and a few other vendors) but decided against it for two main reasons:</p>
<p>1.  Vendor Economics.  Yes, economics.  The transactional access of files and data that our customers require as active collaborators was a very expensive alternative.  Remember, we are talking about Terabytes and Terabytes of data that we host for our clients.  Sure, Cloud storage/services are cost-effective for nascent startups trying to save money ( I get it&#8230;I really do), but onec you develop into a serious business with lots of paying customers and transactional needs, Cloud becomes more cost prohibitive than one might imagine. </p>
<p>2.  Feature Reduction.  Moving hot data to the Cloud resulted in slower performance and a reduction of features such as the inability to easily provide full-text search for documents stored in an offsite Cloud.  The bar to provide certain features &#8220;in the cloud&#8221; was more expensive than it was for us to &#8220;do it ourselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that we shouldn&#8217;t be dogmatic, but the economics of cloud storage and delivery have been prohibitive to us and our customers for the reasons listed above. </p>
<p>As a pseudo-cloud pundit myself, I&#8217;d also argue that the &#8220;open platform&#8221; Cloud services promises customers is still hedged with the &#8220;single point of failures&#8221; that we continue to see in Cloud vendors (virtually all of them have experienced extended outages with their vendors left wondering &#8220;what is going on?&#8221;).  </p>
<p>At least when we go down&#8230;..we know why, we are in control of the situation and we can fix it ourselves&#8230;&#8230;and we can tell our customers what is happening/going on.  Luckily, we don&#8217;t go down very often at all:  <a href="http://status.centraldesktop.com" rel="nofollow">http://status.centraldesktop.com</a></p>
<p>Will we someday surpass the ability to efficiently and cheaply deliver our SaaS&#8217;s to our customers on our private stack?  Perhaps, but we&#8217;ve also found that our homegrown architecture enables lower cost of goods and is becoming more and more of a competitive advantage when we look at many of our competitors. </p>
<p>Long live profitability!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Enterprise 2.0 A Crock? The Practitioners Answer…. by Nenshad Bardoliwalla</title>
		<link>http://diversity.net.nz/is-enterprise-2-0-a-crock-the-practitioners-answer/2009/11/05/comment-page-1/#comment-44690</link>
		<dc:creator>Nenshad Bardoliwalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ben,

I made a very serious attempt to bridge the perspectives in my blog post entitled "Is Enterprise 2.0 a Savior or a Charlatan? How Strategy-Driven Execution can pave the path to proving legitimate business performance" located here: http://bit.ly/3n325o

I would certainly welcome your feedback and look forward to a continued dialogue around the topic.

Best Regards,

Nenshad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben,</p>
<p>I made a very serious attempt to bridge the perspectives in my blog post entitled &#8220;Is Enterprise 2.0 a Savior or a Charlatan? How Strategy-Driven Execution can pave the path to proving legitimate business performance&#8221; located here: <a href="http://bit.ly/3n325o" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3n325o</a></p>
<p>I would certainly welcome your feedback and look forward to a continued dialogue around the topic.</p>
<p>Best Regards,</p>
<p>Nenshad</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2009 – The Year of “A-ha!” by Peter Thomson</title>
		<link>http://diversity.net.nz/2009-the-year-of-a-ha/2009/11/04/comment-page-1/#comment-44417</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While all of the above may be true. I'm not so sure that any of it goes beyond the rhetoric from Tom Peters in the 1980's about the knowledge work revolution and the information economy. It's easy to contrast 2.0 with the industrial economy, but most organisations are still stuck there, despite 20 years to figure out that life has moved on. 

If 2.0 offered a way to leap frog cultures from the pre information economy direct to 2.0 then I'd be interested in hearing it but most of the above is the same "Wow it's gonna be great! You just gotta believe me!" It seems that Tammy has advanced the conversation so I'll look forwards to seeing how we can build on that momentum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While all of the above may be true. I&#8217;m not so sure that any of it goes beyond the rhetoric from Tom Peters in the 1980&#8217;s about the knowledge work revolution and the information economy. It&#8217;s easy to contrast 2.0 with the industrial economy, but most organisations are still stuck there, despite 20 years to figure out that life has moved on. </p>
<p>If 2.0 offered a way to leap frog cultures from the pre information economy direct to 2.0 then I&#8217;d be interested in hearing it but most of the above is the same &#8220;Wow it&#8217;s gonna be great! You just gotta believe me!&#8221; It seems that Tammy has advanced the conversation so I&#8217;ll look forwards to seeing how we can build on that momentum.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Words from the lovefest – MoneyWorks vs MYOB vs Xero by Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://diversity.net.nz/words-from-the-lovefest-moneyworks-vs-myob-vs-xero/2007/08/29/comment-page-1/#comment-44416</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott - if it works for you, and the price isn't prohibitive - then I'd say just go for it - Xero is beautiful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott &#8211; if it works for you, and the price isn&#8217;t prohibitive &#8211; then I&#8217;d say just go for it &#8211; Xero is beautiful!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Words from the lovefest – MoneyWorks vs MYOB vs Xero by Scott T</title>
		<link>http://diversity.net.nz/words-from-the-lovefest-moneyworks-vs-myob-vs-xero/2007/08/29/comment-page-1/#comment-44410</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the article, I have been using MYOB for the last 2 years and havent had a problem. I am in the process of setting up a new company and I have been looking into Xero as an option, and it looks great, especially how you are able to automatically import bank statements. Other than Xero not having an inventory list (which I dont need being a service), what are some other bad points of Xero?

Cheers,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article, I have been using MYOB for the last 2 years and havent had a problem. I am in the process of setting up a new company and I have been looking into Xero as an option, and it looks great, especially how you are able to automatically import bank statements. Other than Xero not having an inventory list (which I dont need being a service), what are some other bad points of Xero?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does Anyone Else Feel a Little Uncomfortable About Joe Karam? by andy @ compensation advice</title>
		<link>http://diversity.net.nz/does-anyone-else-feel-a-little-uncomfortable-about-joe-karam/2009/06/10/comment-page-1/#comment-44017</link>
		<dc:creator>andy @ compensation advice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I can relate to your article I can also see how the 'No Win No Fee' policies have developed. The certainty with No Win No Fee doesn't need to exist with our qualification for Legal Aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I can relate to your article I can also see how the &#8216;No Win No Fee&#8217; policies have developed. The certainty with No Win No Fee doesn&#8217;t need to exist with our qualification for Legal Aid.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cloud Computing 101… Again by PaloCumulus: Cloud Computing Services Central</title>
		<link>http://diversity.net.nz/cloud-computing-101%e2%80%a6-again/2009/10/27/comment-page-1/#comment-43672</link>
		<dc:creator>PaloCumulus: Cloud Computing Services Central</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;#CloudComputing 101 – This is funny!...&lt;/strong&gt;

Hat tip to Ben Kepes:......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>#CloudComputing 101 &#8211; This is&nbsp;funny!&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Hat tip to Ben Kepes:&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on T-Shirt Friday #14 – Financial Content by Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://diversity.net.nz/t-shirt-friday-14-%e2%80%93-financial-content/2009/10/24/comment-page-1/#comment-43060</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim - didn't you hear, there's a revolution coming?

;-)

But seriously, we're never going to agree on this one, despite the multitude of disenfranchised and dispossessed blue collar workers in Otara and Aranui left adrift and with no option but to shop at The Warehouse thereby continuing the vicious circle.

Or are same blue collar workers miraculously going to turn into .NET developers overnight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; didn&#8217;t you hear, there&#8217;s a revolution coming?<br />
 <img src='http://diversity.net.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But seriously, we&#8217;re never going to agree on this one, despite the multitude of disenfranchised and dispossessed blue collar workers in Otara and Aranui left adrift and with no option but to shop at The Warehouse thereby continuing the vicious circle.</p>
<p>Or are same blue collar workers miraculously going to turn into .NET developers overnight?</p>
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		<title>Comment on T-Shirt Friday #14 – Financial Content by Jim</title>
		<link>http://diversity.net.nz/t-shirt-friday-14-%e2%80%93-financial-content/2009/10/24/comment-page-1/#comment-43059</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, move the t-shirt plants back to the 1st world, fire all those nasty Hondurans, and put up the price of clothing for everyone. Oh yes, and small IT firms should use their limited ad budgets to subsidise 1st world t-shirt makers by making a PC statement on a label in a free t-shirt, that 99% of people won't read. Hmm, good plan.

Time to move on, Ben.  That ship sailed 20 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, move the t-shirt plants back to the 1st world, fire all those nasty Hondurans, and put up the price of clothing for everyone. Oh yes, and small IT firms should use their limited ad budgets to subsidise 1st world t-shirt makers by making a PC statement on a label in a free t-shirt, that 99% of people won&#8217;t read. Hmm, good plan.</p>
<p>Time to move on, Ben.  That ship sailed 20 years ago.</p>
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